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Title: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: worm@work on December 11, 2011, 06:34:18 PM
Feel free to complain and rejoice here as the list gets unveiled in 30 minutes! Also, please refrain from posting in the countdown thread.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 11, 2011, 07:00:24 PM
Be excited! Be, be, excited!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: skjerva on December 11, 2011, 07:08:35 PM
my lack of familiarity with the recent around here might make this question/observation lazy, but are the bolded titles films in the Top 100?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 11, 2011, 08:07:25 PM
Bolded are just those that worm and/or roujin consider special.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Verite on December 11, 2011, 10:01:40 PM
LOL @ theBoogie Nights screencap.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Clovis8 on December 11, 2011, 10:31:45 PM
Great job guys.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Verite on December 11, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
Thanks for doing this again and tallying points, Big Worm and La Rouj.

Nice to see two non-Caucasoid men in the top 5.

Did more women directors make the 100 this year? 
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 11, 2011, 11:38:45 PM
My list didn't fare well but enough about that.

Happy to see Breillat sneak on there.

Anyway, in annual fashion, the visit to those directors whose work I haven't experienced. This is what I have planned:

Jean Cocteau: Beauty and the Beast
Johnnie To: Exiled
Tsai Ming-Liang: What Time Is It There?
Eric Rohmer: My Night at Maud's
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 11, 2011, 11:44:14 PM
I'm curious what you think of Rohmer.  I suspect Claire's Knee might be more up your alley than Maud's.  Hard to say.

I do think that if you were to find any Tsai tolerable, it would be I Don't Want to Sleep Alone.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: toro913 on December 11, 2011, 11:56:07 PM
Wayward Cloud has bizzare sexual things.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: MartinTeller on December 12, 2011, 12:30:16 AM
Yeah I think if I was going to pick a Tsai for Bondo, it would be Wayward Cloud (despite the fact that it's technically a sequel), or maybe The River.  I agree about Claire's Knee too.

I really like the changes in this year's list.  I'm thinking that losing Froham and Bill may have knocked down many of the directors I feel are overrated (although I'd rather have Fro & Bill back).
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: oldkid on December 12, 2011, 12:52:32 AM
overrated (although I'd rather have Fro & Bill back).

Hear, hear.

Bondo: I think you should definitely see Clair's Knee.  It is kind of slow, but deals with sexuality in an interesting way.  My Night At Maud's is my favorite, but I think you may find the other more interesting.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 12, 2011, 12:56:12 AM
True about Wayward Cloud.  I haven't seen that one.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 12, 2011, 12:56:28 AM
I think you overestimate Fro's propensity to actually participate in these lists.

I won't get to Tsai or Rohmer for a bit so I'll ponder a bit more which to go with. It does seem that Claire's Knee is the clean pick for Rohmer, I've had that one picked out before as well. Because it has a teenage girl at center?

And I guess Wayward Cloud sounds like a good one because it is on Instant and because it fits with the extreme marathon stuff.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 12, 2011, 01:26:57 AM
Not so happy about Kevin Smith (#11, down from 5 last year on my ballot) dropping out. Rob Reiner who moved up my ballot also dropped out. Greenaway didn't make my ballot but I would have liked him to stay around. Not sure what happened to the support for JP Jeunet who fell out from 66th. Also Edgar Wright. I can't say Breillat going in is compensation for all this. Probably gotta say last year's list was preferable when various other drops are taken into account.

I'm a little baffled about the treatment of small filmographies. Don't see why/how Rian Johnson and Lynne Ramsay make it already and yet Edgar Wright falls off (and Joe Wright can't get in). Both of the Wrights would seem to have strengthened their case in the past year while Johnson and Ramsay (unless you've already seen WNTTAK) haven't added to their filmography.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: worm@work on December 12, 2011, 09:12:16 AM
Thanks to everyone that submitted a ballot and extra special thanks to everyone who hung out in chat with us last night :).

Special thanks also to Bondo for upgrading us to premium chat which allowed us to post images and such and made the whole thing a lot more festive!

Did more women directors make the 100 this year? 

Yep. 8 versus 5 from last year.

Quote
98   Coppola, Sofia (N/E)
96   Breillat, Catherine (N/E)
94   Bigelow, Kathryn (84)
87   Reichardt, Kelly (N/E)
76   Campion, Jane (81)
72   Ramsay, Lynne (95)
42   Varda, Agnès (91)
26   Denis, Claire (37)

Some more stats and comparisons:

Biggest Drops (excluding people that fell off the list)
Michel Gondry -44
Guillermo del Toro -38
James Cameron -38
Terry Gilliam -36
David Lean -35

Biggest Climbs (excluding debuts)
Agnès Varda +49
Robert Bresson +44
Wim Wenders +44
Luis Buñuel +38
Richard Linklater +36

New Entries
49. Abbas Kiarostami
52. Andrei Tarkovsky
56. Michael Haneke
60. Carl Theodor Dreyer
60. Brian De Palma
64. Lars von Trier
73. Eric Rohmer
75. Errol Morris
76. James Gray
78. Tsai Ming-liang
80. Frank Borzage
87. Kelly Reichardt
89. Takeshi Kitano
90. Johnnie To
93. Béla Tarr
95. Vincente Minnelli
96. Catherine Breillat
97. Jean Cocteau
98. Sofia Coppola
100. Elia Kazan


Biggest Exits
Clint Eastwood (53)
Milos Forman (63)
Jean Pierre Jeunet (66)
John Huston (67)
Ang Lee (69)
Edgar Wright (71)
Peter Jackson (73)
Andrew Stanton (74)
John Hughes (79)
Zhang Yimou (83)
Peter Greenaway (85)
Brad Bird (86)
Rob Reiner (90)
Kevin Smith (92)
John Carpenter (93)
Peter Weir (97)
Michael Curtiz (98)
Satoshi Kon (99)
Jia Zhang Ke (100)
Kenji Mizoguchi (87)

Highest ranked directors to make it with no #1 votes: WKW, Kieślowski and Scorsese.

Highest ranked directors who didn't make anyone's top 10: Fritz Lang, Spike Lee & Spike Jonze.

Directors with the most #1 votes: Hitchcock and Bergman.   
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: ¡Keith! on December 12, 2011, 09:24:32 AM
big thanks to worm & rou-boo!

To! Sophia!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 12, 2011, 12:53:34 PM
Directors with the most #1 votes: Hitchcock and Bergman.   

Interesting.  That means there were people who submitted a list that did not include Hitchcock.  More people than submitted a list that did not include Kubrick.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: worm@work on December 12, 2011, 01:25:05 PM
Directors with the most #1 votes: Hitchcock and Bergman.   

Interesting.  That means there were people who submitted a list that did not include Hitchcock.  More people than submitted a list that did not include Kubrick.

Yep, 3 more. Hitch had more #1 votes but Kubrick had a lot of votes in the Top 20.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: mañana on December 12, 2011, 01:31:24 PM
I had Hitch at 2 and Kubrick at 5. They're both real good.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: jbissell on December 12, 2011, 04:07:42 PM
Did more women directors make the 100 this year?

The majority of new additions to my list were woman and I believe Elaine May was the only one not to make it. Good to see.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: oldkid on December 12, 2011, 07:33:24 PM
Last year I didn't have Hitch on my ballot, but this year I decided to be fully honest and put him on.

I just discovered that I put Rian J on my list but not Andrew S.  I originally dropped them both off because they each only had two films, but I needed to fill in my ballot, so I put Rian on.  Shouda put on Andrew.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Tim on December 12, 2011, 11:21:01 PM
I switch the order of Tarr and Greenaway, and look what happens - one is substituted for the other!

Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: MartinTeller on December 12, 2011, 11:40:29 PM
While I'm thrilled to have Tarr on the list, it sucks to lose Greenaway.  Next year, keep 'em both on your ballot!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Life as Fiction on December 13, 2011, 02:34:26 AM
Excited about participating next year.  Tried to make one, but just didn't feel ready.  Many classic masters I want to see a few more films from.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Tim on December 13, 2011, 04:09:40 AM
I had Tarr and Greenaway at 1 and 2 respectively! It's up to everyone else to get them both in the list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Melvil on December 13, 2011, 12:52:46 PM
Kitano made the list. That's all that matters. ;D
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: skjerva on December 13, 2011, 01:41:07 PM
had to leave the proceedings early, but overall i think i prefer 2011 to 2010.

i like that there are now a whopping 8 women represented over the previous 5, though not such a fan of Coppola (not seen SOMEWHERE but love THE VIRGIN SUICIDES). i can get behind Bigelow's inclusion, really like THE HURT LOCKER. never experienced Ramsay :/ my female directors, with my rank (which really isn't firmly set), followed by 2011>2010 rankings:

1. Kelly Reichardt 87>off
8. Agnès Varda 42>91
10. Catherine Breillat 96>off
12. Chantal Akerman off
14. Su Friedrich off
18. Claire Denis 26>37
33. Jil Godmilow off
49. Jane Campion 76>81

off. Sofia Coppola 98>off
off. Kathryn Bigelow 94>84
off. Lynne Ramsay 72>95

from worm's compilation biggest drops, i'm not invested enough in Gilliam or Lean to care and the others i think are over-rated.

from biggest climbers, i'm pleased as punch with all of them, all five being on my 50 :)

i'm pleased to see a lot of the new entries - Catherine Breillat, Kelly Reichardt, Tsai Ming-liang,  James Gray, Errol Morris, Michael Haneke, and Andrei Tarkovsky - and am either not familiar enough with others, or am somewhere between fine and cool. on the exits, am very happy to see the morally bankrupt Eastwood gone :) i also find CUCKOO'S NEST nasty, so am happy to see forman gone for that alone. there are a few others here i think are over-rated, but, you know, this is all a matter of taste, so there's that :) the only one i'm sad to see gone is Smith.

on my first vomiting of my list, i included Hitchcock, but as i remembered a couple i'd rather have on, he was an easy choice to go, and not only because he was going to be overly/well represented by others.

all and all a pretty decent list for anyone who stumbles upon it, right?

how about this game:

if you could slide one director up ten and one director down ten (and not off the list), what would you do?

i think i'd drop Malick 10 spots and move Reichardt up 10 :)

thanks again to worm and rouj :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: jbissell on December 13, 2011, 02:00:37 PM
I'd move Melville up 10 and drop Cameron 10.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: worm@work on December 13, 2011, 02:12:02 PM
Tough decision on who to move up. My first thought was Cocteau up and Nolan down. But actually I think I'd rather move Denis up thereby securing her a place in the Top 20 and I'd still move Nolan down.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: MartinTeller on December 13, 2011, 02:44:43 PM
Nolan or Boyle down, Tsai up.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 13, 2011, 02:54:13 PM
Nolan down 10, Ford up ten, I guess, so he's in the top 20.

Ozu's my most underrated.  He didn't make the top 50 and I have him at #4.

"Morally bankrupt Eastwood".  LOL, I missed you skjerva.  Hope you at least dropped Kubrick if you dropped Hitch.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Jared on December 13, 2011, 03:05:41 PM
Never got around to this, but am rather pleased with the list. I didnt see Tati or Kobayashi on a glance, which are probably the entries my list my have helped sneak in.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 13, 2011, 03:12:13 PM
Tati was one of the three in my Top 20 that didn't make the list, along with Sternberg and Rossellini.  Don't know if your vote would have made a difference. . . .
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: 'Noke on December 13, 2011, 03:22:26 PM
Kitano made the list. That's all that matters. ;D

Melvil gets it. KITANO!!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 13, 2011, 03:34:55 PM
You are all terrible people...

who want to move Nolan (or Boyle) down further.

I guess we can't have any fun, quality filmmaking on the list, just boring old stuff.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 13, 2011, 03:40:28 PM
Boyle made my top 100.  He's good.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: MartinTeller on December 13, 2011, 04:48:45 PM
Directors from my top 50 who didn't make the cut:

#12 - Kenji Mizoguchi
#14 - Emir Kusturica
#15 - Aki Kaurismäki
#24 - Stan Brakhage
#26 - Anthony Mann
#28 - Ritwik Ghatak
#30 - Anh Hung Tran
#32 - Kon Ichikawa
#35 - Jacques Tati
#38 - Alain Resnais
#40 - Abbas Kiarostami
#41 - Roy Andersson
#43 - Elia Kazan
#47 - Yimou Zhang
#48 - Michelangelo Antonioni
#49 - John Cassavetes
#50 - Wen Jiang


None of these really surprise me except Mann and Tati.  I replaced Mizoguchi with Kieslowski in my top 10, that may have been enough points-wise to take him out.  But as I've said, I'm starting to cool on Mizoguchi anyway.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: AAAutin on December 13, 2011, 04:58:12 PM
if you could slide one director up ten and one director down ten (and not off the list), what would you do?

Ridley Scott +10
Tarantino -10
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: toro913 on December 13, 2011, 05:06:57 PM
My top 50 that didn't make the list. Wasn't expecting anything for Kusturica, he isn't well known around here. I think Assayas' time will come soon enough.

2. Emir Kusturica
5. John Cassavetes
26. Olivier Assayas
29. Milos Forman
32. Hal Ashby
44. Jonathan Demme
47. Michael Winterbottom
48. Noah Baumbach
49. Peter Weir

While I'm at it 10 directors that have strong chances of making my next year's list, assuming Jonze puts out a movie next year.

Spike Jonze
Todd Haynes
Bernardo Bertolucci
Ki-duk Kim
Fritz Lang
Peter Greenaway
Alan J. Pakula
Ernst Lubitsch
Peter Bogdanovich
Buster Keaton
Alfonso Cuarón
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 13, 2011, 05:16:36 PM
My Top 50 Who Didn't Make It:

13   Josef von Sternberg
15   Roberto Rossellini
16   Jacques Tati
23   Samuel Fuller
24   Ernst Lubitsch
25   Alain Resnais
27   Anthony Mann
28   Leo McCarey
29   Raoul Walsh
37   Otto Preminger
41   Jacques Demy
43   King Vidor
45   Michelangelo Antonioni
46   DW Griffith
47   George Cukor
49   John Woo
50   Michael Curtiz

I had Mizoguchi at 53 and Assayas at 79.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 13, 2011, 05:17:06 PM
I'm guessing the reason why the most influential female director of all time (Leni Riefenstahl) didn't make the list is because I'm the only one who is immoral enough to vote for someone who worked alongside the Nazi party.  :P
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on December 13, 2011, 05:25:26 PM
Directors from my top 50 who didn't make the cut:
#40 - Abbas Kiarostami
#43 - Elia Kazan
These two are in

My Top 50 that didn't make it. A little surprised by the lack of Peckinpah and Lubitsch, not so much the others I guess:
7. Sam Peckinpah
13. Alain Resnais
17. Marcel Carné
21. William Wyler
22. Georg Wilhelm Pabst
23. Masaki Kobayashi
24. Mikhail Kalatozov
26. Ernst Lubitsch
27. Victor Sjöström
29. Erich von Stroheim
30. Henri-Georges Clouzot
31. Kon Ichikawa
35. Luchino Visconti
36. Stanley Kramer
39. Rainer Werner Fassbinder
47. Otto Preminger
49. William Castle
50. Joseph Losey
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: mañana on December 13, 2011, 05:28:14 PM
From my submitted list that didn't make the big list:
 
4. ZAZ
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: MartinTeller on December 13, 2011, 05:30:23 PM
Directors from my top 50 who didn't make the cut:
#40 - Abbas Kiarostami
#43 - Elia Kazan
These two are in

Whoops.  Ctrl-F failed me.

Edit: haha, no it didn't... I was looking at LAST year's list.  My brain failed me.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: smirnoff on December 13, 2011, 05:33:00 PM
From my submitted list that didn't make the big list:
 
4. ZAZ

Speaking of which, I wonder where they placed, and if Mel Brooks was higher.

Curtis Hanson was the only 1 of my list of 10 that didn't make it.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: MartinTeller on December 13, 2011, 05:35:21 PM
I guess we can't have any fun, quality filmmaking on the list, just boring old stuff.

12 of the top 20 are still actively working, so I'm not so sure about "old stuff".

Besides, Nolan placed #25 which is pretty damn high.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 13, 2011, 05:51:22 PM
Christopher Nolan has 5 of his 7 features in the top 120 over at imdb. How's that for deference to disauthority. His spot last year seemed much more appropriate. Also, revise it to boring/old. 5 of the top 6 are on my list though and 5 of my top 6 are in the top-40. I'm not really complaining about that.

Anyway, I don't think anybody has posted more from their ballot that missed the list than I'm about to with 25 (and that's after a late change that removed two that would have missed the list and added two that made it).

5. Andrea Arnold
8. Edgar Wright
10. Martin McDonagh
11. Kevin Smith
12. M. Night Shyamalan
14. Joe Wright
15. Gaspar Noé
16. Tomas Alfredsson
17. Jason Reitman
19. Denys Arcand
20. Morgan Spurlock
21. Hirokazu Koreeda
22. John Cameron Mitchell
23. Gurinder Chadha
24. Makato Shinkai
26. Matt Stone and Trey Parker
29. Baz Luhrmann
30. Jean-Pierre Jeunet
31. Debra Granik
35. Mel Brooks
38. Curtis Hanson
41. Tom Tykwer
42. Rob Reiner
43. Kim Ki-Duk
45. Ashutosh Gowariker

The red highlighted ones are the ones that fell off from last year. Something happened in the past year about Kevin Smith because suddenly when Red State came out it seemed like everyone hated all his films all of a sudden. I mean, I'm used to the M. Night hate but Smith hate was new to me. Obviously I've got a fair few people on there with <5 features, not who I really would expect to make the list. Certainly the Wrights would seem to be candidates as would Koreeda and John Cameron Mitchell. I'm not sure if Denys Arcand is largely unseen or simply not as appreciated.

Anyway, Mike Leigh should be at least 10 spots higher. Rian Johnson/Lynne Ramsay/Kelly Reichardt should be 10 spots lower/off the list. If my directors with limited filmographies can't make it, no one's should.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: worm@work on December 13, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
From my submitted list that didn't make the big list:
 
4. ZAZ

Speaking of which, I wonder where they placed, and if Mel Brooks was higher.


ZAZ had just one vote which came from mañana. Mel Brooks had two votes but neither of them actually was close to making it to be honest.

The 10 that just lost out are as follows:

Carax, Leos   
de Sica, Vittorio   
Loach, Ken   
Resnais, Alain   
Tati, Jacques   
Wright, Edgar   
Pasolini, Pier Paolo   
Forman, Milös   
Mizoguchi, Kenji   
Cassavetes, John   
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: smirnoff on December 13, 2011, 06:25:08 PM
Carax, Leos   
de Sica, Vittorio   
Loach, Ken   
Resnais, Alain   
Tati, Jacques   
Wright, Edgar   
Pasolini, Pier Paolo   
Forman, Milös   
Mizoguchi, Kenji   
Cassavetes, John   

Oh Milos!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 13, 2011, 06:28:36 PM
Tati.  :(
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 13, 2011, 06:33:20 PM
Bondo, that doesn't look like the list of a Christopher Nolan superfan to me.  I don't think he has much in common with any of them, who seem to be almost uniformly humane, funny or visually inventive, none of which are virtues I'd associate with Nolan.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: mañana on December 13, 2011, 06:42:06 PM
Something happened in the past year about Kevin Smith because suddenly when Red State came out it seemed like everyone hated all his films all of a sudden. I mean, I'm used to the M. Night hate but Smith hate was new to me.
Kevin Smith placed 92nd last year and not at all in 2009. I don't think it has anything to do with Red State, I think he's just not particularly loved around the forum, though he certainly has his fans.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: AAAutin on December 13, 2011, 06:43:40 PM
The 18/40 from my list that didn't make the cut:

04. Albert Brooks
07. Cloones
08. Noah Baumbach
11. David O. Russell
19. Tom Tykwer
20. Guy Ritchie
22. Michael Winterbottom
24. John Sayles
25. Neil Jordan
26. Nicolas Winding Refn
28. Albert & Allen Hughes
30. Todd Solondz
32. Ken Burns
34. Ken Loach
35. Alex Gibney
37. Alejandro González Iñárritu
38. Tom DiCillo
40. Michael Moore


The only ones I find surprising are Loach, Tykwer, and Winterbottom.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 13, 2011, 07:01:25 PM
1SO, Pasolini is close. Next year I watch and join the cabal and get him on the list (unless Salo is the high water mark).

Bondo, that doesn't look like the list of a Christopher Nolan superfan to me.  I don't think he has much in common with any of them, who seem to be almost uniformly humane, funny or visually inventive, none of which are virtues I'd associate with Nolan.

Nolan was my #2, that's all one needs to know for me to be a Nolan superfan. I'm not sure what directors are like Nolan really. You get talk of Kubrick vis a vis unemotional filmmaking and Kubrick is fairly high on my list as well. I think Boyle (my #1) is pretty distinctive as well.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: sdedalus on December 13, 2011, 07:13:38 PM
Boyle, E Wright, JP Jeunet seem to be very similar to me.

I think the Kubrick comparisons with Nolan are more aspirational on the Nolan superfan side than anything else.  Can't imagine Nolan's Strangelove or Barry Lyndon, let alone something involving sex like Lolita or Eyes Wide Shut.  Or anything as humane as Paths of Glory.  The intricacies of The Killing and arguable misanthropy of Clockwork or The Shining maybe.  But even those are far more subtle and complex than anything Nolan's done.

Anyway, my point is that you're too good for Nolan.  You should give up on him.  ;)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: skjerva on December 13, 2011, 09:53:23 PM

Anyway, my point is that you're too good for Nolan.  You should give up on him.  ;)

i'll second that :)


Anyway, I don't think anybody has posted more from their ballot that missed the list than I'm about to with 25


my 29:

4. Aki Kaurismäki
9. Kevin Smith
11. Gregg Araki
 12. Chantal Akerman
14. Su Friedrich
 15. Vittorio De Sica
17. David Mamet
 19. Todd Haynes
 20. George Romero
21. Jem Cohen
 22. Rick Prelinger
 23. John Cameron Mitchell
 24. Michael Moore
26. Pier Pablo Pasolini
 27. Patricio Guzmán
 31. James Marsh
 32. Bruce LaBruce
 33. Jil Godmilow
 35. James Benning
 36. Abel Ferrara
 41. Joe Swanberg
 42. Vincent Gallo
 43. Sean Penn
 44. Ross Brothers
 45. Steve James
46. Stan Brakhage
 47. Jan Svankmajer
 48. Robert Greene
 50. Adam Curtis

and, granted, it was obvious a handful of these would not make it, but i reckon that is a safe bet for many of us. i'm kinda surprised that i have so many misses from my list that seem like they actually could have made it (or at least wouldn't seem so out of place)


"Morally bankrupt Eastwood".  LOL, I missed you skjerva.  Hope you at least dropped Kubrick if you dropped Hitch.

:) likewise. i know i have to meet certain expectations for you old-timers :)

no kubrick on my list, not even from the start, though he could be in that neck-of-the-woods

and for clarification on rankings, did one vote earn 1 point (or was there a weighted component)? e.g., my 50 rank for Adam Curtis earned the same one point as your 1 rank for him?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: 1SO on December 13, 2011, 10:26:38 PM
1SO, Pasolini is close. Next year I watch and join the cabal and get him on the list (unless Salo is the high water mark).

I learned this year Pasolini is so much more than Salo.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: worm@work on December 14, 2011, 08:00:06 AM
and for clarification on rankings, did one vote earn 1 point (or was there a weighted component)? e.g., my 50 rank for Adam Curtis earned the same one point as your 1 rank for him?

Nope, points were weighted by rank. A #1 ranking earned 10pts, 2-10 earned 9 pts, 11-20 earned 8pts, 21-30 was 6, 31-40 was 4 and 41-50 was 2.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: skjerva on December 14, 2011, 11:17:01 AM
and for clarification on rankings, did one vote earn 1 point (or was there a weighted component)? e.g., my 50 rank for Adam Curtis earned the same one point as your 1 rank for him?

Nope, points were weighted by rank. A #1 ranking earned 10pts, 2-10 earned 9 pts, 11-20 earned 8pts, 21-30 was 6, 31-40 was 4 and 41-50 was 2.

cool, i figured something like that. i wonder if i would have gamed a bit more... :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Junior on December 14, 2011, 12:07:11 PM
and for clarification on rankings, did one vote earn 1 point (or was there a weighted component)? e.g., my 50 rank for Adam Curtis earned the same one point as your 1 rank for him?

Nope, points were weighted by rank. A #1 ranking earned 10pts, 2-10 earned 9 pts, 11-20 earned 8pts, 21-30 was 6, 31-40 was 4 and 41-50 was 2.

cool, i figured something like that. i wonder if i would have gamed a bit more... :)

Just a hint since you've been in the clink (I assume) for a while. If you bring up gaming lists you're gonna get shanked (to use a term you're used to now).
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: ¡Keith! on December 14, 2011, 12:52:55 PM
My 12 that didn't make it aka: the film is an overated medium for directors list

5   Chris Cunningham
13   Jonathan Glazer
20   Jonas Åkerlund
34   Ang Lee
37   Paul Verhoeven
42   Jean-Pierre Jeunet
43   Hammer & Tongs
45   Todd Haynes
47   Mark Romanek
48   Larry Clark
49   Anton Corbijn
50   Neveldine & Taylor

I'd definitely knock Rian Johnson down 10 and I'd give 10 to Soderbergh
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: AAAutin on December 14, 2011, 05:36:32 PM
If you bring up gaming lists you're gonna get shanked

Junior has the Borzage-shaped scar to prove it!

Speaking of which, why didn't you submit a list, hmm?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Junior on December 14, 2011, 06:02:18 PM
Afraid of shankings. Also, lazy and forgetful and busy.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: smirnoff on December 15, 2011, 08:01:22 PM
Finding your soulmate via favourite directors...

I've taken everyone's list and compared it to everyone elses to find out who has the most in common with who.

disclaimer: there's a small margin of error in these results arising from spelling errors, usage of accents, and other various punctuation doodads which I'm too lazy to sort through.


   pixote      has      19      films in common with      sdedalus   
   Totoro      has      23      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   AAAutin      has      16      films in common with      dheaton   
   MartinTeller      has      20      films in common with      toro913   
   GothamCity151      has      24      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   toro913      has      28      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   Bondo      has      16      films in common with      oldkid   
   1SO      has      17      films in common with      dheaton   
   sdedalus      has      19      films in common with      pixote   
   Peaceful Anarchy      has      17      films in common with      MartinTeller   
   Sam the Cinema Snob      has      22      films in common with      Shaw13   
   oneaprilday      has      20      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   ses      has      24      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   Verite      has      14      films in common with      jbissell   
   StudentOfFilm      has      29      films in common with      dheaton   
   manana      has      6      films in common with      jbissell   
   Shaw13      has      27      films in common with      toro913   
   smirnoff      has      8      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   Corndog      has      16      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   roujin      has      16      films in common with      flieger   
   jdc      has      8      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   FifthCityMuse      has      11      films in common with      Verite   
   Tim      has      20      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   edgar00      has      16      films in common with      ses   
   oldkid      has      21      films in common with      dheaton   
   dheaton      has      29      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   skjerva      has      11      films in common with      Tim   
   Melvil      has      21      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   jbissell      has      20      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   iKeith!      has      19      films in common with      StudentOfFilm   
   Clovis      has      20      films in common with      dheaton   
   flieger      has      17      films in common with      sdedalus   
   worm@work      has      17      films in common with      sdedalus   
   duder      has      9      films in common with      worm@work   

Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Bondo on December 15, 2011, 08:05:30 PM
StudentOfFilm is the Rosetta Stone.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: skjerva on December 15, 2011, 08:12:14 PM
sweet, hi tim :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: worm@work on December 15, 2011, 08:16:00 PM
I'm associated with good people(http://www.thefugeeforums.com/forums/images/smilies/snob.gif). Thanks for doing this, 'noff :).
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: smirnoff on December 15, 2011, 08:19:20 PM
I'm associated with good people(http://www.thefugeeforums.com/forums/images/smilies/snob.gif). Thanks for doing this, 'noff :).

And thank you for making it possible :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: oldkid on December 29, 2011, 03:47:56 AM
StudentOfFilm is the Rosetta Stone.

He loves everything.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Totoro on December 30, 2011, 02:57:31 AM
Tarantino is too high. I mean, I know that he's well regarded around here, but I'm still surprised he beat out Miyazaki.

Aronofsky and Fincher don't belong on it.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: Totoro on December 30, 2011, 03:04:00 AM
My 2012 project is to get Ophuls on the next FS list. Without him, there would be no Kubrick.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: oldkid on December 31, 2011, 12:41:46 AM
Tarantino is too high. I mean, I know that he's well regarded around here, but I'm still surprised he beat out Miyazaki.

I completely agree.  Same with Hitchcock and Kubrick... I mean, beating out Miyazaki?  Unthinkable.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Directors 2011: Comments and Discussion
Post by: StudentOFilm on January 10, 2012, 12:41:14 PM
StudentOfFilm is the Rosetta Stone.

He loves everything.

We all have a little Student in us. In all seriousness though, I do have diverse tastes, this was my list...

After 90 minutes...

DIRECTOR (MY FAVORITE FILM OF THEIRS)
1. Alfred Hitchcock (Vertigo)
2. Sidney Lumet (12 Angry Men)
3. Martin Scorsese (Raging Bull)
4. Werner Herzog (Aguirre Wrath of God)
5. Robert Altman (Nashville)
6. Akira Kurosawa (Seven Samurai)
7. Ethan Coen and Joel Coen (No Country for Old Men)
8. Woody Allen (Annie Hall)
9. Howard Hawks (His Girl Friday)
10. Steven Soderbergh (Traffic)
11. Billy Wilder (The Apartment)
12. Steven Spielberg (Schindler's List)
13. Stanley Kubrick (A Clockwork Orange)
14. Gus Van Sant (Elephant)
15. Orson Welles (Citizen Kane)
16. Francis Ford Coppola (The Godfather Part II)
17. David Lean (The Bridge on the River Kwai)
18. Elia Kazan (On the Waterfront)
19. Michael Mann (The Insider)
20. Jean-Luc Godard (Breathless)
21. Hayao Miyazaki (Spirited Away)
22. Jean Renoir (The Rules of the Game)
23. Krzysztof Kieslowski (Three Colors)
24. Wong Kar-wai (In the Mood for Love)
25. David Lynch (Blue Velvet)
26. Francois Truffaut (The 400 Blows)
27. Roman Polanski (Chinatown)
28. Ingmar Bergman (The Seventh Seal)
29. Abbas Kiarostami (Taste of Cherry)
30. Errol Morris (The Thin Blue Line)
31. Michael Haneke (The White Ribbon)
32. Pedro Almodovar (Talk to Her)
33. Quentin Tarantino (Pulp Fiction)
34. David Fincher (The Social Network)
35. Christopher Nolan (Memento)
36. Danny Boyle (Slumdog Millionaire)
37. John Cassavetes (A Woman Under the Influence)
38. Mike Leigh (Naked)
39. Park Chan-wook (Oldboy)
40. Lars Von Trier (Dancer in the Dark)
41. Wes Anderson (The Royal Tenenbaums)
42. Terrence Malick (Days of Heaven)
43. Sergio Leone (The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly)
44. Federico Fellini (8 1/2)
45. Charlie Chaplin (City Lights)
46. Paul Thomas Anderson (Magnolia)
47. Darren Aronofsky (Requiem for a Dream)
48. Paul Greengrass (United 93)
49. Sofia Coppola (Lost in Translation)
50. Bong Joon-ho (Mother)