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Title: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 25, 2016, 08:58:14 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IWkVFM6.jpg)


What's better than listening to music? Listening to music with friends!


Let's gather in the chatzy listening booth (http://www.chatzy.com/filmspotting) and explore some albums together. Those who can join in, great! Those who can't, we'd still love to hear from you. We'll posts pieces of the chat here and anyone who wants to add to it, the more the merrier!





Title    ּ    Artist    ּ    Year    ּ    Host    ּ    Chat Date
Abbey Road (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg842648#msg842648)    ּ    The Beatles    ּ    1969    ּ    Sandy    ּ    6/28/16
Electric Ladyland (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg843187#msg843187)    ּ    The Jimi Hendrix Experience    ּ    1968    ּ    colonel_mexico    ּ    7/06/16
If You're Feeling Sinister (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg843712#msg843712)    ּ    Belle and Sebastian    ּ    1996    ּ    Junior    ּ    7/13/16
Brandi Carlile: Live At Red Rocks (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg844121#msg844121)    ּ    Brandi Carlile    ּ    2012    ּ    Bondo    ּ    7/19/16
The Black Parade (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg844610#msg844610)    ּ    My Chemical Romance    ּ    2006    ּ    oldkid    ּ    7/28/16
First Band On The Moon (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg844956#msg844956)    ּ    The Cardigans    ּ    1996    ּ    St. Martin the Bald    ּ    8/03/16
Glass Houses (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg845476#msg845476)    ּ    Billy Joel    ּ    1980    ּ    Sandy    ּ    8/11/16
At Last! (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg846034#msg846034)    ּ    Etta James    ּ    1960    ּ    Junior    ּ    8/17/16
Thirteenth Step (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg846477#msg846477)    ּ    A Perfect Circle    ּ    2003    ּ    colonel_mexico    ּ    8/23/16
Beautiful Garbage (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg846822#msg846822)    ּ    Garbage    ּ    2001    ּ    Bondo    ּ    8/29/16
The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg847275#msg847275)    ּ    David Bowie    ּ    1972    ּ    oldkid    ּ    9/06/16
Dummy (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg847747#msg847747)    ּ    Portishead    ּ    1994    ּ    St. Martin the Bald    ּ    9/13/16
So (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg848364#msg848364)    ּ    Peter Gabriel    ּ    1986    ּ    Sam the Cinema Snob    ּ    9/22/16
Moulin Rouge! (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg848703#msg848703)    ּ    Various Artists    ּ    2001    ּ    Sandy    ּ    9/29/16
The Afterman: Descension (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg849114#msg849114)    ּ    Coheed and Cambria    ּ    2013    ּ    colonel_mexico    ּ    10/5/16
22, A Million (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg850131#msg850131)    ּ    Bon Iver    ּ    2016    ּ    Junior    ּ    10/17/16
Cooleyhighharmony (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg851095#msg851095)    ּ    Boyz II Men    ּ    1991    ּ    Bondo    ּ    10/26/16
Innocent Age (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg851876#msg851876)    ּ    Dan Fogelberg    ּ    1981    ּ    oldkid    ּ    11/2/16
Horses (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg852937#msg852937)    ּ    Patti Smith    ּ    1975    ּ    St. Martin the Bald    ּ    11/15/16
Yentl (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg853628#msg853628)    ּ    Barbra Streisand    ּ    1983    ּ    Sandy    ּ    11/22/16
Exposure (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg854141#msg854141)    ּ    Robert Fripp    ּ    1979    ּ    Knocked Out Loaded    ּ    11/29/16
It's A Holiday Soul Party (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg855725#msg855725)    ּ    Sharon Jones & the Dap-Kings    ּ    2015    ּ    Junior    ּ    12/8/16
Snow Angels (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg857452#msg857452)    ּ    Over the Rhine    ּ    2007    ּ    Sam the Cinema Snob    ּ    12/22/16
Bring It Back (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg857452#msg857452)    ּ    Mates of State    ּ    2006    ּ    Bondo    ּ    12/28/16
Thick as a Brick (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg859174#msg859174)    ּ    Jethro Tull    ּ    1972    ּ    oldkid    ּ    1/5/17
Forever Changes (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg860112#msg860112)    ּ    Love    ּ    1967    ּ    Sandy    ּ    1/11/17
The Days of Wine and Roses (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg863149#msg863149)    ּ    The Dream Syndicate    ּ    1982    ּ    Knocked Out Loaded    ּ    1/31/17
In Colour (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg863842#msg863842)    ּ    Jamie xx    ּ    2015    ּ    Junior    ּ    2/9/17
Meat Is Murder (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg864242#msg864242)    ּ    The Smiths    ּ    1985    ּ    Bondo    ּ    2/15/17
Little Earthquakes (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg865857#msg865857)    ּ    Tori Amos    ּ    1992    ּ    oldkid    ּ    3/2/17
Elvis Presley Rock 'n' Roll (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg866252#msg866252)    ּ    Elvis Presley    ּ    1956    ּ    Sandy    ּ    3/8/17
Sandinista! (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg866860#msg866860)    ּ    The Clash    ּ    1980    ּ    Knocked Out Loaded    ּ    3/16/17
Hospice (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=13959.msg867672#msg867672)    ּ    The Antlers    ּ    2009    ּ    Junior    ּ    3/26/17
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 25, 2016, 09:00:38 PM
First up...

(http://i.imgur.com/1N5ZCyR.jpg)

Album: Abbey Road
Artist: The Beatles
Year: 1969


"I think it was in a way the feeling that it might be our last, so let's just show 'em what we can do, let's show each other what we can do, and let's try and have a good time doing it." – Paul McCartney

Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, June 28th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (Central Time Zone)

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on June 26, 2016, 05:00:40 PM
Yea!  I'll try to be there!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on June 26, 2016, 05:03:27 PM
I should be able to make this happen.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: JakeIsntFake on June 26, 2016, 11:50:45 PM
Ugh, I'll still be out of the States and unable then.  :'( There are few things I love more than talking about this album.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 27, 2016, 12:13:39 AM
Oh Jake, all it not lost! Please add your thoughts to ours and we can still talk here. I'd love to hear about your love for this album.  Where are you? :)


Great news, Bondo and oldkid! I hope you both can make it!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: JakeIsntFake on June 28, 2016, 12:04:50 AM
Oh Jake, all it not lost! Please add your thoughts to ours and we can still talk here. I'd love to hear about your love for this album.  Where are you? :)

Thanks! And I am in Quito, Ecuador for a little while. Heading home in a few days, though!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 28, 2016, 12:20:54 AM
Ecuador! "Dios, patria y libertad!"

Hope you've had a great time there.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on June 28, 2016, 12:26:50 AM
I'm gonna try to be awake for this, but it's vacation and I can make no promises.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 28, 2016, 12:35:45 AM
Wait a minute, aren't you in the Eastern Time Zone? That makes it 11:00 a.m.! What time do you usually get up during vacation? :D  Hope we can drag you out of bed!



Hey everyone!

[You] got early warning

Tomorrow, 10:00 a.m.  Central Standard Time

Come Together!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on June 28, 2016, 12:38:55 AM
That's a bingo. I've been known to oscillate between 9:30 and 12 on vacation. Was 9:30 today, so I might be back on the downswing.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 28, 2016, 12:41:28 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on June 28, 2016, 01:48:19 AM
That make it 8am Pacific?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on June 28, 2016, 08:08:02 AM
That would be correct. I'm probably going to linger in chat leading up to that time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on June 28, 2016, 09:10:55 AM
Ugh - in class. Was looking forward to this.
Maybe next time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on June 28, 2016, 11:04:29 AM
Well, that was the bee's knees. My day is already made and it's only noon!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on June 28, 2016, 11:15:38 AM
I don't listen to, and think about, albums as a singular unit often enough. I am of my generation. Some things have been lost.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 28, 2016, 11:20:25 AM
Thanks everyone! It made my day too. I'll be adding some of the chat soon, to the thread...


Ugh - in class. Was looking forward to this.
Maybe next time.

St. Martin, still share! Love to hear your thoughts. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on June 28, 2016, 12:27:23 PM
I still have Abbey Road in my head... it will stay a long time.  Happy.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 28, 2016, 02:31:37 PM
Abbey Road (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhMYu_hDXfc#no)  Chat  (Press play and follow along. :) )

Sandy: okay, ready set...
Sandy: go!

"Come Together"
Junior: I've sung this song with the lyrics in front of me and I still don't know what they are or what they mean.
oldkid: When I was younger I spend hours trying to figure it out.
colonel_mexico: lol
Bondo: I was saying to col. that other than Please Please Me, I don't have a lot of experience with The Beatles in album form, just as singles.
oldkid: That was a mistake
Bondo: This as a Track 1 seems odd to me
Junior: I've got Toejam Football, all day every day
Sandy: :))   
oldkid: He shoot coca cola... that's gotta be uncomfortable
Sandy: unless it's a super soaker
colonel_mexico: lol 
Junior: I can tell you that the weird whispery parts at the end of the chorus is saying "shoot me"
oldkid: Okaaaaaay....
Bondo: Does this have something to do with drugs...
Junior: the music is really great. um, obviously
Bondo: I'm just going to type that after every song
oldkid: I would, but so obvious
Junior: the bass is great
colonel_mexico: yeah the bass is awesome
Junior: I think it's about math 
Sandy: what is your earliest memory of the Beatles?
Junior: I got into the beatles when the remasters came out while I was in college. '10?
oldkid: My earliest memory is my friends and I in my garage singing Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band at the top of our voices. I must have been eight.
colonel_mexico: imagine is my first memory, but think that is a john lennon only song
Junior: i'm actually kinda angry at my parents for not introducing me earlier
Bondo: I googled Come Together lyrics and Google decided I meant Aerosmith's cover
colonel_mexico: yeah sgt peppers was one i listened to a lot in high school days
Bondo: I listened to a lot of Beatles when I was young, but playing the Rock Band version really opened my eyes to the depth of it
oldkid: My parents had all these albums and not a single Beatles. They confessed to me that they never liked the band
oldkid: I was stunned
colonel_mexico: wow
oldkid: Never spoke to them about music again
colonel_mexico: my folks too, weird
Junior: lol, parents are the worst
Sandy: yes
Junior: Me, too, Bondo, with the rock band

"Something"
oldkid: Something is one of the best ballads ever
Sandy: love this song
colonel_mexico: such a happy tune
Bondo: Yeah, Come Together is fun, but Something is great
Bondo: love the drum syncopation here
Junior: i sometimes wish these songs were longer, but you can't really knock it for being so great and knowing when to quit
oldkid: Come Together has a fantastic hook. Something sticks in your head and you are so happy to have it hang out as long as possible.

"Maxwell's Silver Hammer" 
Junior: this was one of my first Beatles songs
Junior: it's pretty funny
oldkid: Okay, I remember the movie Sgt Peppers (which I secretly loved as a kid) and Steve Martin played Maxwell. Silly fun.
Junior: love the juxtaposition of the sonic qualities and the story
Junior: and when he can't keep a straight face (voice?) back there a bit
Junior: hilarious
Sandy: cracks himself up
oldkid: So great.
Bondo: this song isn't about a kid braining a girl right...like there is less gory metaphor?
oldkid: But is he laughing at the song?
Junior: i think it's pretty strightforward, bondo
oldkid: Rose and Valarie remind me of a scene in the Brothers Karamazov
Junior: i always chalked them up to the people who marry lifer prisoners
Bondo: cow bell
Sandy: fever
    
"Oh! Darling"
Bondo: After that interlude, cue the pure emotional angst
Junior: I always liked the screamy Beatles songs, even if I generally don't like screamy songs in general
oldkid: O Darling isn't a great song. But it is great to sing at the top of your voice.
colonel_mexico: feels like such a dancing song, i really like this one
Bondo: Oh, I love Oh! Darling
Sandy: i love this one so much too.
oldkid: WHEN YOU TOLD ME...
colonel_mexico: YOU DIDNT NEED ME ANYMORE
colonel_mexico: WELL YOU KNOW I NEARLY BROKE DOWN AND CRIIIIEDD
colonel_mexico: lol 
Junior: love the ooh
oldkid: Great singing, colonel...
colonel_mexico: thx   
Sandy: :)   
Junior: i feel like this would be a good, if difficult, karaoke song
oldkid: Wonderful. I'd love to do it.
Bondo: Yeah, crazy hard...I don't have a good scream-sing voice
colonel_mexico: oh man this would be tough, but so much fun
oldkid: Over the top dramatic.
colonel_mexico: very dramatic
Sandy: is that why you don't think it's a great song, oldkid?
colonel_mexico: think thats why i like it lol
oldkid: Just very simple, not much to it.
oldkid: I do love singing it
    

"Octopus's Garden"
colonel_mexico: this is my least favorite song on the album
colonel_mexico: though the lyrics are cute
oldkid: I over-listened to it when I had kids
Sandy: it's a breather song, after the last one
Junior: I'm not sure I ever came around to loving this one. I kinda like Ringo singing it, but it's pretty fluffy
oldkid: Or over-sang it.
oldkid: I love Ringo's vocals
Junior: of course, I know all the lyrics
oldkid: And the opening notes
Bondo: Not on the same album as Yellow Submarine, somehow
Junior: and here is where it loses me a bit
Bondo: a song that is better musically than its lyrics deserve
Junior: though the guitar solo's pretty great
oldkid: very much so


"I Want You (She's So Heavy)"      
Bondo: ooh, we're gonna slow things up a bit
Junior: I think this one goes on too long
oldkid: I want you takes this album to another level
colonel_mexico: another karaoke tune
Bondo: way too long for karaoke, people will hate you
Junior: yeah, i was just gonna say
colonel_mexico: i feel like i need a cigarette and ray bans while listening to this
oldkid: I don't think it is too long. I love... LOVE the sudden ending. It is a hypnotic trance, lulling you in and the drops you into emptiness.
Sandy: does anyone here like the Across the Universe film?
Junior: few songs over 5 minutes are good for karaoke, and this one, which just repeats over and over again would cause a revolt
colonel_mexico: yes that is a good one
Bondo: Bondo Collection certified
Junior: Yes!
oldkid: I love the scene in Across the Universe, but I don't like the cover
Junior: I actually really like this song in that movie
colonel_mexico: lol yeah i guess so, bad karaoke song
Sandy: yes, this song is one of my favorites of the movie. Very powerful
Sandy: I want you to all karaoke the harmonies
Bondo: "She's so heavy" is really something you should never say
Sandy: haha
oldkid: Not so good at harmony... although I think we could probably do as well as the Fab Four
colonel_mexico: lol
Sandy: yes, you could!
oldkid: You too, Sandy!
Sandy: fab five!
oldkid: !   
Junior: this is a pretty fun one on Rock Band, though, for all the shifts and stuff
Bondo: halfway point!
Junior: Beatles Rock Band is basically the only one that's good for the bass and guitar both
Bondo: It's like when Dave Matthews Band plays a 15 minute version of a 5:30 album song and you're like...get on with it.
colonel_mexico: theres no Rush rock band?
Sandy: I told my kids I want the beatles rock band for my birthday. Maybe they can find it on ebay
colonel_mexico: that would be so cool sandy
Sandy: I'd love it
oldkid: Bad Karaoke song because the best part is the end, just repeating the part over and over...
colonel_mexico: i like the darkness of the ending of this song
colonel_mexico: like a storm blowing in
oldkid: I always turn up the volume here, especially when the wind noise comes up
Bondo: I'm listening to this as The Beatles intended...on laptop speakers...should probably get headphones
Sandy: turning it up, in your honor, oldkid!
Junior: i've already got it pretty well cranked...
Bondo: headphones allow me to go louder
Junior: i appreciate this bit, but the song kinda leaves me cold generally speaking
oldkid: Really, this is one of my favorite musical sections... very Floyd
Sandy: true
colonel_mexico: yeah very floyd
oldkid: See, right there!
oldkid: Boom, gone.


"Here Comes the Sun"
oldkid: And then heads right into Here Comes the Sun?
Bondo: and now lightness to bring you back from the edge
oldkid: Very jarring
colonel_mexico: and we are back into the sunshine, phew
oldkid: And wonderful
Sandy: This is my earliest memory of the Beatles
oldkid: Phew is right
Junior: this gets a bad rap for being too, um, sunny, but I love it
oldkid: Do do do do
Junior: almost no better song to brighten an already bright day, I feel
Bondo: Yeah, it feels like it should be a detestable song but you love it
Sandy: When I was little, my sister and I were in a dance class and we danced to it.   
colonel_mexico: i didnt like it when i first heard it, but playing it with a friend really got me into it
oldkid: Great song for kids to dance to
oldkid: Great guitar licks
colonel_mexico: totally, i think this is a george written song, but i might be wrong
Junior: i really like the fuzziness
Bondo: I think I like The Beatles best when they do love/heartbreak songs...so Something/Oh Darling so far...but also from Please Please Me stuff like Anna and Chains
oldkid: Yeah, it's George. But the tone could be Paul
colonel_mexico: right
Junior: love the guitar after "it's alright"
Junior: like, that's the shit right there
oldkid: yeah

    
"Because"
Sandy: uh oh, here they come... :'(
Junior: I think this is second only to Yesterday for the sub 3:00 beatles songs
oldkid: I really like Alice Cooper's cover of Because-- a capella
colonel_mexico: i like these sad ones
oldkid: But you can't beat the harmonies here
Sandy: choral quality
Junior: and the horns
oldkid: Has to be John. Makes as much sense as Come Together
Sandy: have you ever listened to this outside, laying on the grass, looking up?
colonel_mexico: the piano parts are always so amazing, another great one
oldkid: I've listened to this album in every setting imaginable, I think
Sandy: every? :)   
oldkid: Prob not
colonel_mexico: the best place i remember listening to this was driving around in idaho
Junior: Outer? Space?
Bondo: Did you type that in the cadence of Adam Driver?
Junior Please Mr. Kennedy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WCRAuIcjsc#no)
Sandy: some of my favorite Beatles listening has been on the road too.
oldkid: Never listened to it on the planet Dune, which might be awesome
colonel_mexico: lol jr
     

"You Never Give Me Your Money"      
oldkid: I love the haunting beginning of this song, then it turns very chipper Junior: I always feel like I like this song when I listen to it then I forget it almost immediately afterwards
Bondo: This song is about Brexit, right?
colonel_mexico: lol
oldkid: lol
Junior: ha
Bondo: Billy Joel has a thing about writing...I think Scenes From An Italian Restaurant...and he references this song and how all over the place it is
Junior: it's pretty out there
oldkid: But it really works
Bondo: Yeah, like this a lot
Bondo: love this riff
oldkid: Its what I love about the final third of the album.. it's a symphony
Junior: and that's the Beatles in a nutshell, well, at least some of the time
oldkid: So many different pieces, yet they flow so beautifully together
oldkid: George martin was truly a genius
colonel_mexico: its like watching a movie, but through an album
Sandy: the greatest!
oldkid: Exactly.... exactly!
Junior: it's pretty astonishing. on a whole 'nother level


"Sun King"      
"Mean Mr. Mustard"      
"Polythene Pam"      
"She Came in Through the Bathroom Window"
Bondo: Next four songs might be first listens
Junior: I've not gone through this one in a row since I first listened to it, I think.
oldkid: Some of the pieces are really silly, like Sun King, but it fits with Mean Mr. Mustard, transitioning into She Came in... so great
oldkid: Forgot Polythene Pam
Bondo: "Here comes the sun" king?
oldkid: This album also deeply influenced Alan Parsons, who was an assistant producer here and then produced Dark Side in a few years
Junior: i can feel that, oldkid
Bondo: Big fan of Alan Parsons stuff actually
Sandy: I have a soft spot in my heart for Alan Parsons
Junior: I do very much like that transition
oldkid: Me too.
colonel_mexico: always shouts out something obscene!
oldkid: More screamy lyrics yea
Bondo: APP's Gaudi is on my top 10 albums alongside Beatles Please Please Me
Bondo: "she's really good looking but she looks like a man"...I don't understand the but in that sentence
Junior: all these mini songs are really wonderful together, but I'm not sure I'd listen to them separately
oldkid: I'd listen to She Came in Through alone
oldkid: But I'd rather hear them as a unit
Junior: correct me if I'm wrong, Bondo, but aren't they all together in Rock Band?
Bondo: it's like musicals where you have these songs that are good narratively but aren't things you pull for a medely
Junior: oh, yeah, agreed, oldkid
Bondo: Hmm, were these DLC?
Junior: maybe
oldkid: Joe Cocker's version of she came in through is fantastic
Sandy: love the harmony on "Didn't anybody tell her?"
Junior: Here's a story for you...
oldkid: Didn't anybody SEEEE?
oldkid: Oh yeah...
oldkid: Okay, getting chills now
Bondo: These tracks are so short...trackwise you hit the halfway point, but they just fly by
Junior: Joe Cocker was my first concert, so I always thought he was the guy who wrote 'With a Little Help From My Friends"
oldkid: lol
Junior: wow, that was a great run      


"Golden Slumbers"
colonel_mexico: 'sleep pretty darling do not cry, and i will sing a lullaby...' sigh
Sandy: gosh, this ones tugs at the heart, for sure.
oldkid: This is my favorite "song", from here to the end
colonel_mexico: never had any kids, but this is something id sing to them
Sandy: that's very sweet
oldkid: I sang this to my kids all the time
colonel_mexico: :) 
Junior: did you yell it at them?
oldkid: Was pretty hard to sing the music part
Bondo: SLEEP!
oldkid: No, very soft.
oldkid: I was trying to put them to sleep
oldkid: I had a set of songs I would sing my kids every night, until they went to sleep
Junior: you're ruining the song! MUST MAINTAIN THAT MUSICAL INTEGRITY
oldkid: It was always perfect in my head


"Carry That Weight"
colonel_mexico: 'youre going to carry that weight'
Sandy: "Carry that weight a long time"
Sandy: ain't it the truth
Junior: I usually don't go much for just repeating the same thing over and over again, but Carry that Weight works for me

   
"The End"      
"Her Majesty"
oldkid: The sudden change between carry that weight and the next song is great
Junior: maybe because of what it is saying
oldkid: Ringos only long drum solo      
Junior: The End is such a great song
oldkid: The best
Junior: the drums are killer
colonel_mexico: wow what an album
oldkid: Not over yet
Bondo: "And in the end the love you take is equal to the love you make." A good message to leave us on
Junior: I had that as my facebook quote or whatever for a long time early on
Sandy: so wonderful!
colonel_mexico: the whole gambit of emotions in 45 mins, the whole human experience
oldkid: It's true
Sandy: yes
Bondo: So Her Majesty...is that just a spotify thing?
colonel_mexico: lol nope
oldkid: No, that's the end of the album
oldkid: A final gag
Junior: well, that was special, friends



Sandy: So which of these songs is your favorite?
Bondo: You know, I was talking about I Want You not really working for me, but man does it capture the pain pretty acutely, even if not with variety
colonel_mexico: favorite is Golden Slumbers
Sandy: I wish someone had sung that song to me!
colonel_mexico: right thats why i like it
Sandy: It's a really great idea, Col.
Junior: before that I would have said "Something" or "Here Comes the Sun" but after I might have to go with the "Carry that Weight/The End" combo
colonel_mexico: yeah Carry That Weight/The End is great
Bondo: relistening to a couple...Oh! Darling might be my favorite though.
Sandy: If I could only have one, which I don't like that thought, I'd probably go with "Something."
oldkid: Golden Slumbers/Carry that Weight/The End
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on June 29, 2016, 12:27:43 AM
I view this album as a sure sign of disintegration. That might make it essential as a curiosity but it doesn't make it much of an album. Actually as Harrison having more space as the Lennon and Macca collaboration fell apart. The guitar solo in Come Together actually sounds like Harrison has been left to it, very louche, as if nobody else was there, it changes the tone of the song. The up side are his two songs which are wonderful classics, which make me wonder what the Beatles would be if he had been a third powerful voice all along. His nature seems less pushy than that.

Those two novelty songs and all those part songs at the end don't help this seem less of a powerful offering. Compare it with Magical Mystery Tour which comes out right after Sgt Pepper is thrown together as a concept and is still packed with instant hits and some of the great songs and it looks weak.

All that's left is I Want You which as oldkid mentioned is Pink Floyd like it gave them the idea to be Pink Floyd. Im not accusing the Beatles of the crime of inventing prog rock. They probably got the idea from Cream.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 29, 2016, 01:05:17 AM
Every party needs a pooper and that's why we invited you. ;)  Aww, there's a lot to love here, verbALs!

There's some pure, vulnerable emotion going on in these songs: the visceral love of "Something," (yay Harrison! You're so right about him) the raw pain of "Oh! Darling," the wistfulness of Because... 

I guess I just want you to love it more. :)

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on June 29, 2016, 08:04:28 AM
Im not accusing the Beatles of the crime of inventing prog rock.

So you missed the part where we all praised Alan Parsons? :D
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on June 30, 2016, 02:28:14 PM
Next up, colonel_mexico's choice...

(http://i.imgur.com/28FUsRG.jpg)

Album: Electric Ladyland
Artist: The Jimi Hendrix Experience
Year: 1968


"...a fever dream of underwater electric soul cut in round-the-clock sessions...." – Rolling Stone

Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, July 6th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on June 30, 2016, 04:58:45 PM
Oooo, I like this one.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on June 30, 2016, 05:21:28 PM
Should be a lot of new music to me.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Monty on June 30, 2016, 05:42:56 PM
I view this album as a sure sign of disintegration. That might make it essential as a curiosity but it doesn't make it much of an album. Actually as Harrison having more space as the Lennon and Macca collaboration fell apart. The guitar solo in Come Together actually sounds like Harrison has been left to it, very louche, as if nobody else was there, it changes the tone of the song. The up side are his two songs which are wonderful classics, which make me wonder what the Beatles would be if he had been a third powerful voice all along. His nature seems less pushy than that.

Those two novelty songs and all those part songs at the end don't help this seem less of a powerful offering. Compare it with Magical Mystery Tour which comes out right after Sgt Pepper is thrown together as a concept and is still packed with instant hits and some of the great songs and it looks weak.

All that's left is I Want You which as oldkid mentioned is Pink Floyd like it gave them the idea to be Pink Floyd. Im not accusing the Beatles of the crime of inventing prog rock. They probably got the idea from Cream.

I've always had this thought that if you put 'Abbey Road' and 'Let It Be' together you have a really good album. Probably one of the best of their career? Put that collection of songs together, let them work out the song's fully, you get a brilliant album.

I agree with verbALs. I love George and I often think what would have happened had he had a more authoritative voice. There's a video clip where he's saying to Lennon & McCartney "I'll play whatever you what...or I'll not play at all...what ever you what, whatever makes you happy I'll do it!"

Doesn't sound like a democracy?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: mañana on June 30, 2016, 10:32:04 PM
It's too tricky for me to make it to the scheduled listening times, but this is a fun idea. I enjoyed reading the chat transcript.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 01, 2016, 12:27:23 AM
@Monty. The idea that those later albums are self-indulgent seems well established but Macca has said some things recently about the break up period that echo the feeling that it's hard to see Lennon and him being in the studio together at all. The recording technique for Sgt Pepper meant they weren't playing very much as band and Martin was splicing all the solos together. So the technique didn't encourage collaboration either. So the hits on Magical Mystery Tour sound very much either Lennon or Macca solo songs. The White Album is such a torrent of ideas that the half song feel passes you by. Come Together and Get Back sound Lo-fi (in a way modern bands....The strokes?....strive to achieve). They don't sound like the same band anymore. More mature in some ways (the blues feel is a lot cooler). The Lo-fi suggests keeping it simple because they aren't working together so much. I'll say it again though what Harrison achieves here is transcendent and maybe surprised L&M. Bless his attitude of compromise but what did we lose in terms of Lennon/Harrison or Macca/Harrison composition?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 01, 2016, 11:23:43 AM
It's too tricky for me to make it to the scheduled listening times, but this is a fun idea. I enjoyed reading the chat transcript.

:)

What is your favorite Abbey Road song?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: mañana on July 01, 2016, 09:40:42 PM
What is your favorite Abbey Road song?
Probably Come Together. All the performances are fantastic and it's bluesy in a really singular and interesting way. It's a John song but I think what makes it truly special and a little bit strange is Paul's bass and his suggestion to slow the tempo way down. 

Come Together and Get Back sound Lo-fi
We must use that term differently because those songs don't strike me as lo-fi at all.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 02, 2016, 12:22:33 AM
Probably Come Together. All the performances are fantastic and it's bluesy in a really singular and interesting way. It's a John song but I think what makes it truly special and a little bit strange is Paul's bass and his suggestion to slow the tempo way down. 

I like the way you listen to music and how well you express what you're hearing. I'm going to go listen to the song right now, with what you've written in mind. Thanks! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 02, 2016, 01:57:37 AM
Even in the context of The Beatles; not even in the modern context of a band like The Strokes, the songs have little added in production. No edits, no fancy sound effects. Just the blues. I was exploring that idea in the context of a band who seem to want to get into the studio, lay down a track and get out as fast as possible. You can put a positive spin on it just as easily that they are looking to regain a live feel to their music. Songs they could play live! Also it means the album has more than one strain. By this stage the band would be massively influencing new bands forming. A song like I Want You encourages an expansive prog (yuck) style. Here the worlds biggest band is saying you can break this down to basics again. Very encouraging and these are the hits (Beatles hits not Harrison hits anyway). Elements like Billy Prestons organ have all the rough edges left on. There's no pejorative here.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: mañana on July 02, 2016, 07:51:45 PM
No pejorative interpreted, lo-fi just doesn't strike me as an accurate descriptor. Uncluttered and "back to basics" certainly, but the mic'ing techniques alone are far too precise and specifically intended to reproduce a high quality sound for those tracks to be called what I think of as lo-fi. Which is why I think you and I just use the term differently.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 03, 2016, 01:43:32 AM
When I think of low-fi - I think of Sebadoh, Pavement - Liz Phair's first album Exile In Guyville.
Fuzzier and kind of dirty.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 03, 2016, 01:46:24 AM
Not the organ on Come Together? That's what's cool about music. That everyone's idea of a certain idea is a different song.  ;D its interesting discussing the direction the band were moving in because it's a key influencers what they did at every point in their creative period. I posted some of "Are You Experienced". Now Hendrix and these guys were part of the same scene and these albums are a year apart. That the Beatles reinvested in the blues instead of venturing further into experimentation suggests cross fertilisation. Then you have Jimmy Page on the same scene. The Stones were diving into a Deep South blues but their trajectory was fairly steady. The Beatles seem to be turning in that direction from a completely different place.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: mañana on July 04, 2016, 01:18:03 AM
Probably Come Together. All the performances are fantastic and it's bluesy in a really singular and interesting way. It's a John song but I think what makes it truly special and a little bit strange is Paul's bass and his suggestion to slow the tempo way down. 

I like the way you listen to music and how well you express what you're hearing. I'm going to go listen to the song right now, with what you've written in mind. Thanks! :)
:)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 05, 2016, 12:09:46 PM
Hey everyone!

The magic carpet waits for you, so don't you be late! :)

Tomorrow, 10:00 a.m. (CST)

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: pixote on July 05, 2016, 01:36:12 PM
I've only used it once, but Dubtrack (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) is a chat site that lets you queue up music for everyone in the room to listen to simultaneously. Might be a nice place to have these discussions (though I'm not sure if chat transcripts are available).

pixote
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 05, 2016, 02:03:26 PM
Well, it would solve me awkwardly telling everyone to pause on account of my spotify ads.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 05, 2016, 02:48:09 PM
I went to the site and made an account, but am fuzzy on how the rooms work. I could create a room, but does that mean anyone could come in and add their own music, or is there a way to make a private room for filmspotters? Is anyone versed in how Dubtrack works?

Thanks for the idea, pixote.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: pixote on July 05, 2016, 03:02:57 PM
You should be able to make a private, password-protected Filmspotting room.

pixote
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 05, 2016, 03:32:35 PM
 :)

I'm not sure you know my technological limitations, pixote. But, I'll go figure it out!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 05, 2016, 04:23:51 PM
Okay, there is now a room in dubtrack.fm called Group Listening Booth and the password is filmspotting

Would someone like to help me learn how to download music into it, or do I have to go through their youtube search? :)

This is just an option, so we can talk about what everyone would like to do.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 05, 2016, 04:34:37 PM
I'm there. You gotta sign up before it lets you sign into the room. Let's poke around a bit.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 05, 2016, 04:40:14 PM
I'm there too. Can you see me? :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 05, 2016, 04:48:28 PM
Yes, but I can't get anything to work.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: pixote on July 05, 2016, 04:53:12 PM
You should be able to just point to a YouTube link (or Vimeo or any site like that). I'll try to join in a bit (maybe).

pixote
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 05, 2016, 04:55:54 PM
I'm seeing how it should work, but I'm not seeing it actually work.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 05, 2016, 04:56:59 PM
You're making me feel better, Junior. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 05, 2016, 05:05:55 PM
Excited for this. Mi don't think I've ever listened to ELC in it's entirety.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 05, 2016, 06:55:11 PM
Update!

Junior, pixote and I have been over at dubtrack and are having a blast. Anytime someone wants to share music and chat, it's a great location.

As for tomorrow, we'll still go to CHATZY! All of Electric Ladyland isn't available on youtube and that is the format dubtrack uses. So tomorrow use Spotify, or iTunes and meet me here.  http://www.chatzy.com/filmspotting

Can't wait to listen to this album with you. :) 



*Hope you can make it, St. Martin!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 05, 2016, 07:04:56 PM
Yeah, that was a lot of fun, perfect for our uses too. It might be a good idea for future leaders to try to pick an album that is all on youtube (or soundcloud) so that we can use that site. It's not an absolute requirement or anything, but a solid guideline.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 05, 2016, 11:41:13 PM
I'll try to get there for part of it.  My morning is pretty full right now.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 06, 2016, 12:28:21 AM
Don't know what your version of the album looks like but good luck with the 15 and 13 minute songs.  ;D (I'll give it a listen whilst I'm driving today)

Listened;
There's a decent single album in here. Side one- can only salvage Crosstown Traffic; dude two - an ok blues thread runs thru it; side three- jeez; side four- gobsmackingly good, VC (Slight Returm) not to be associated with VC ATALL, stunning
Just like Abbey Road but the indulgence is forgivable because he was moving towards a new approach. A jazz tinged approach. so experimental rather than indulgent.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 06, 2016, 12:50:40 PM
Don't know what your version of the album looks like but good luck with the 15 and 13 minute songs.  ;D (I'll give it a listen whilst I'm driving today)

:))

They flew by!

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Listened;
There's a decent single album in here. Side one- can only salvage Crosstown Traffic; dude two - an ok blues thread runs thru it; side three- jeez; side four- gobsmackingly good, VC (Slight Returm) not to be associated with VC ATALL, stunning
Just like Abbey Road but the indulgence is forgivable because he was moving towards a new approach. A jazz tinged approach. so experimental rather than indulgent.

I can take off the spoiler tags now. If Abbey Road is indulgent, then whatever pleases the Beatles, pleases me. :)

We were talking about what a single album should have in it. Aren't you a fan of Have You Ever Been... or Voodoo Chile? "Side three- jeez" :D all sorts of avenues it goes down! And yes, "side four- gobsmackingly good." We were all passed out on the floor after those last three songs! So happy you joined in! I've been listening to Are You Experienced, but am spending time with Hunky Dory too. I'm surrounded by greatness!



Yeah, that was a lot of fun, perfect for our uses too. It might be a good idea for future leaders to try to pick an album that is all on youtube (or soundcloud) so that we can use that site. It's not an absolute requirement or anything, but a solid guideline.

It's a great site, but both the chatzy and dubtrack are good options, so we can make most any album work. Check out the dubtrack site for next week. Junior is going to put his choice there as a playlist for us. Let me know if you have any questions about the site. Thanks.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 06, 2016, 02:08:29 PM
One album:

Crosstown Traffic
Long Hot Summer Night
Come On
Gypsy Eyes
Burning of the Midnight Lamp
Still Raining Still Dreaming
House Burning Down
All Along The Watchtower (but I'm not really a fan)
Voodoo Chile SR

"Are You Experienced" is as good as side 4 all the way through. Axis Bold of Love has so many strange unique wonderful songs on it. Like he matures. "Band of Gypsies" has Machine Gun and Changes which are big favourites. So I'd go 1,2,4,3. So how did you end up choosing ELadyland?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 06, 2016, 02:38:30 PM
I'd buy that album! Those are my favorites as well. I think you're telling me to listen to Axis: Bold as Love next. :) I already love "Little Wing" so am looking forward to the rest of the album. Any album with "Machine Gun" has to bump it forward on your list, so for you, Electric Ladyland didn't stand a chance against it. :) I'll listen to "Changes" today.


I picked Abbey Road and the Col. picked Electric Ladyland. I asked him the same question and this was his chat answer.

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colonel_mexico: when it comes to music for me i love guitar players and when asked who the best is i usually like to go with hendrix, but i really only know the hits, so i thought i need to explore an album and this one, while it doesn't have my favorite tune, seemed to be the one that is the most loved.

It turned out to be an incredible listening experience. Hopefully down the road we could visit some of his other albums.

 
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 06, 2016, 02:40:22 PM
Electric Ladyland (https://open.spotify.com/album/5z090LQztiqh13wYspQvKQ)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


(I love putting the colors with our names, but in the interest of time, I'm going to leave it in grey tones.)


Sandy: I'm here listening to "The Gods Made Love" backwards.
oldkid: Of course you are
Sandy: I can hear jimi say, "Okay, one more time"
colonel_mexico: lol
Sandy: and "stay there for a second" Is this about making love or making the track? Are you all familiar with this album? It's new to me
oldkid: I'm familiar with some of the cuts, but there are a number I've not heard
colonel_mexico: just the hits
Bondo: I think All Along the Watchtower is the only song from this album I've heard before, and mostly Dave Matthews Band cover
Sandy: Well, Col. would you like to tell us your thoughts about jimi and what about this album, made you choose it?
colonel_mexico: when it comes to music for me i love guitar players and when asked who the best is i usually like to go with hendrix, but i really only know the hits, so i thought i need to explore an album and this one, while it doesn't have my favorite tune, seemed to be the one that is the most loved
Sandy: :) what is your favorite tune?
colonel_mexico: little wing
Sandy: nice
oldkid: Little wing is great. This album does have My favorite jimi, though-- Voodoo Child (Slight Return)
colonel_mexico: though much like bondo, i love stevie ray vaughns cover of it lol
Sandy: I only know a few songs of Hendrix's so I'm really excited about today's album
Bondo: My knowledge of DMB's All Along The Watchtower is more my brother's affection than mine. Otherwise I know Hendrix via Guitar Hero/Rock Band
Sandy: :)
Sandy: I love the lyrics of little wing
colonel_mexico: ha, whats funny is stevie rays version has no words
Sandy: stevie is missing half the song!

"And The Gods Made Love"
Sandy: see now aren't you glad I told you what he said?   
colonel_mexico: lol, yes thanks!
Bondo: Had to turn my sound down a bit...this is a little nails on chalkboard
oldkid: There's a skill to backmasking, keeping the rhythm. I think Stone Roses did it best
colonel_mexico: i have the 1968 US vinyl dl, its a little quiet, headphones today

"Have You Ever Been (To Electric Ladyland)" 
Bondo: did everyone else get like a five second song with a little girl's voice?
Sandy: oh, i'm in love with this sound. No, I didn't get the little girls voice
colonel_mexico: no girls voice here
oldkid: I didn't get a girls voice
The BFJunior joined the chat
Sandy: Hi Junior!
The BFJunior: Hello
oldkid: LOL, Junior. Your name. Big change between the first cut and the second. EL has a lot more Motown in it
Sandy: big smile on my face
oldkid: Smooth and pleasant. Really nice.
colonel_mexico: love that fade out guitar

"Crosstown Traffic"
Sandy: sounds like a kazoo
Bondo: The drum intro on this had me thinking Ringo from last week, but the guitar is all Jimi.
colonel_mexico: right, i like that
Bondo: The guitar rift right by when he says Crosstown Traffic has almost a doppler effect of a car in motion
colonel_mexico: love the lyrics, cant you see im turning from green to red
oldkid: I've heard CT before. It sounds just generic, but I know it wasn't when it was first made. He was such an original.
colonel_mexico: CT has that cream sound from disraeli gears or something, even the singing is clapton-ish
oldkid: Keeping it busy, like traffic is
colonel_mexico: totally
oldkid: Yeah, Cream-ish.
Sandy: Bondo, I read that this album was mixed in stereo (their only one to do so), so you're going to get that affect some more, i think

"Voodoo Chile"
Bondo: I'm curious to compare this one with Voodoo Child...see what similarities they go with to payoff the name play
oldkid: Blues...
colonel_mexico: oh man robert johnson chills right here
oldkid: Yeah...
oldkid: So coooooooollll.... I want to hear this live. In a smokey club
Sandy: In heaven, I'll buy your ticket
colonel_mexico: yeah i bet this one is great live
oldkid: I like the way that the producers left in some band chatter
Sandy: sometime we should pick a night time album listening, so I can close my eyes and drift off whenever. 
colonel_mexico: haha good idea
Sandy: then if I stop talking, you know I've left "the building"   
Bondo: Radiohead would be a good drift off album. The Bends or something
Sandy: yeah
colonel_mexico: wow
Bondo: Jimi is beyond words
oldkid: The organ and lead guitar work are so psychedelic, but it remains so blusey and smooth
colonel_mexico: yeah ok, its like fast, but smooth
The BFJunior: claps
Sandy: they like what they're doing
Bondo: This is the type of music I wouldn't normally listen to, but set me down on a blanket on grass at a music festival and I just want to chill out to this all day...there may be "substances" inhaled
oldkid: "Way down by the methane sea"
colonel_mexico: lol
The BFJunior: I kinda just want this to turn into his version of the national anthem.
oldkid: Jimi is borrowing from Chicago blues, but he makes it is own when he works his guitar into the ground
colonel_mexico: the drum solo is great
colonel_mexico: ha jr that would be awesome
oldkid: Deep psychedelic vibe now.
Sandy: feedback as musical notes
colonel_mexico: this album probably influenced so many people, like i can hear the doors in here (i almost choose them for today), some floyd, clapton like blues
The BFJunior: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense
Bondo: This makes me want to listen to Alberta Cross, when I went to the Mile High Music Festival, it was the closest to this sort of bluesy sound, imagine they were inspired by this
oldkid: Jimi influenced everyone
Sandy: you chose well, Col. This is something very special
oldkid: Did you know that he toured with the Monkees, who introduced him to the Stones and the Beatles?
colonel_mexico: i did not
The BFJunior: Musicians: Stealing from black guys since the invention of music
colonel_mexico: lol jr!
colonel_mexico: i remember hearing that he played with little richard but that didnt work out
The BFJunior: i can't imagine it would, no
Bondo: There was a thing in Orange Is The New Black...I think about The Wiz vis a vis Wizard of Oz accusing them of appropriation, I lol'd
colonel_mexico: wow now hes shredding
oldkid: We all do. Africans have music at the center of their culture. Our love of music comes from them. They explored rhythm, etc in a way other cultures didn't
oldkid: Indian music is as deep and interesting.
Bondo: This song includes its own reviews  "outta sight"
colonel_mexico: lol
The BFJunior: lol

"Little Miss Strange"
oldkid: Wait...
Sandy: this one is different
Bondo: Beatles?
Sandy: turtles
oldkid: Yeah, Turtles
The BFJunior: definitely beatlesish
oldkid: With Jimi backing
oldkid: A lot of variety on this album. Not what I was expecting
colonel_mexico: like octopus garden, ok guys you can have a song
The BFJunior: feels pretty kitchen sink-y
colonel_mexico: ill just shred over here
Sandy: :)
oldkid: Early Moody Blues
Bondo: I feel like if you say this is your favorite song of the album, they ask you to leave
oldkid: Picks up different guitar...
colonel_mexico: think thats the wah-wah pedal, jimi loved the effects
oldkid: Ah
colonel_mexico: lol bondo

"Long Hot Summer Night" 
colonel_mexico: long hot summer night, it certainly is
oldkid: Nice to have Jimi back
colonel_mexico: lol yes
oldkid: "woo woo woo" backup. Not one of his classics, but nice guitar work, as usual.
The BFJunior: have we lost our backup singers? at least on albums? where have all the backups gone?
Bondo: Normally I'm mostly a vocalist, but on these I'm often like, hey guys, hush up, I'm trying to listen to the guitar. Maybe those SRV instrumental covers are where it's at.
colonel_mexico: yeah we dont get too much, some of the more recent punk bands like afi use them, but you dont get much of them anymore that i can think of

"Come On (Part One)"
colonel_mexico: tickling the notes out in this one. let the good times roll
oldkid: Nice update to the early 60s classic
Bondo adds song to Making Out playlist
oldkid: Got the rock 'n' roll rhythm
The BFJunior: gross
Sandy: haha
oldkid: This guitar solo rocks
The BFJunior: it's very good
oldkid: Chuck Berry, eat your heart out
colonel_mexico: no kidding
Sandy: "flippin' like flag on a pole"   
colonel_mexico: :)
oldkid: lol


   
I'm so sorry, I lost a very big portion of chat here! We were brilliant! Our words were astounding! :)



"House Burning Down"
...
St_M: Hippy rap
The BFJunior: yeah, the next two are all-timers, but this is just as good
oldkid: Why have I never heard this before?
colonel_mexico: i heard prince makes good pancakes, i bet jimi makes great waffles
St_M: This is on fire
oldkid: Breakfast in heaven!
colonel_mexico:   10:25 AM
Sandy: I make good pancakes and waffles.   
colonel_mexico: on my way
Sandy: but I can't play the guitar.
St_M: Oh man
Sandy: haha!
Sandy: my earphones are smoking
oldkid: So sweet...

"All Along the Watchtower"
The BFJunior: that opening
Bondo: And here we go
oldkid: Now the classics
Bondo turns up volume
The BFJunior: guys, i think i'm a Cylon
St_M: hahaha
Bondo: :)
The BFJunior: i want to meet the person who doesn't like this song and punch them
oldkid: I wish I could've seen Dylan's face when he heard what jimi did to his song
oldkid: I bet his mouth dropped
colonel_mexico: no kidding
St_M: This is my favorite version
oldkid: Mine too, easily
oldkid: Dylan probably said, "It's yours Jimi. I'll never play it again" (not true)
Bondo: I prefer to think of this as the original
colonel_mexico: if im a musician at this time and i heard this album, id be like well geology might be a good field to go into, jimis got this music sh*t
Sandy: haha! time to pawn that guitar
St_M: It has a frantic intensity that whips you into the song.
The BFJunior: it's when he starts a word that begins with a vowel with a "w" instead wall along the tower woutside in the cold distance
colonel_mexico: !
Bondo: True fact, Bob Dylan did the best version of zero Bob Dylan songs (may not be true)
oldkid: Yet Jimi actually made more people buy guitars. I don't know why. Who thought, "Yeah, I could do that"??????
Bondo: Haha
Sandy: i don't know!
The BFJunior: i love putting these two at the end
Bondo: and like that it's gone
The BFJunior: like, ok, you think i'm good, eh?

"Voodoo Child (Slight Return)" 
oldkid: Most albums begin with the best
Bondo: gotta put best song third, like a baseball lineup
The BFJunior: gonna throw some 15 minute songs in there just to CINECAST! with you
oldkid: Or second, but last? Who does that? Because jimi is like, "If you don't listen to the end, you don't deserve my best"
colonel_mexico: before i let you go im going to destroy you with cool
Sandy: that's it exactly, Col.
The BFJunior: it's not just cool (though it is very cool) it's genius
oldkid: start deceptively quiet... and then BOOM!
oldkid: Slap em down!
Bondo: Oh yeah, definitely know this

oldkid: Voodoo Chile you could sit back and listen to for hours, VC (Slight Return) you gotta sit up, pay attention... then stand up... you can't sit still
colonel_mexico: never
Bondo: so begs the question, High Fidelity style, has any album ever ended as strong as this one?
Sandy: abbey road
oldkid: Yeah, abbey road
The BFJunior: very few
Sandy: not the same though
colonel_mexico: haha sandy good one
oldkid: Dark Side, maybe
Bondo: Abbey road is great, and I'm gonna let it finish, but Jimi did the best
oldkid: Days of Future Past. Well, they would all go into my top 5 endings. But Jimi's great
The BFJunior me right now (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ythpzsu18#no)
colonel_mexico: lol jr
Bondo: haha, yeah, pretty much
oldkid: lol   
oldkid: What, it's over?
Bondo: Wait, how is it over. Why is it over.
colonel_mexico: and just like that he was gone
oldkid: damn
Sandy: there is a void
Bondo This is that album  The Fade Away  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr8HKRTavM0#no)
colonel_mexico: "hes not dead, he just went home"
oldkid: LOLOLOL
St_M: Ahh lol



oldkid: Okay so if we were going to cut this album to make one, what would we include
oldkid: The last two, for sure
St_M: The last 3
colonel_mexico: yeah thanks so much guys, so fun, mind blown
Sandy: gypsy eyes, long hot summer night... hard to leave any out
oldkid: Thanks for choosing this, col!
Sandy: Yes, love this choice.
colonel_mexico: np, glad to do it and of course i believe Burning of the Midnight Lamp has to be on there
Sandy: one of my favorites, lyrics wise
oldkid: I'd leave out little miss strange
St_M: I really love his lyrics - I don't think his vocals get enough credit.
Bondo: Listening to Bob Dylan AATW from Woodstock 94...what is this
colonel_mexico: he is a great singer
Sandy: he really is versatile, vocally.
oldkid: Although cool, I'd leave out the first Rainy day
colonel_mexico: yeah sandy if you get a chance give little wing a spin (https://open.spotify.com/track/1Eolhana7nKHYpcYpdVcT5), i know we didnt hear it today, but its my favorite hendrix and stevie rays version might do something to you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An4uDegHB8s#no)   
oldkid: And I'd leave out 1983
colonel_mexico: looking forward to jr's pick next week and the upcoming weeks!
Sandy: I will, Col! and the other version too!
Sandy: So glad you could join us St. Martin! Thanks for dealing with the phone
St_M: Thanks I loved it
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 06, 2016, 03:08:33 PM
I'm sorry to miss the "1983" chat. That's the first time I've not ff'ed it. It's more drum solo than anything. One notable difference- songs that lull me....never a good quality. Sending you to sleep would be my definition of bad art generally. "Still Raining Still Dreaming" is great too. Sorry that chat didn't copy as well. As for the beat in African music you gotta love that English rhythm section ;D the drumming on Hendrix records is marvellous. He needed a drummer crazy enough to try keeping up.  ;D
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 06, 2016, 03:18:10 PM
From an interview with the late Abbas Kiarostami

http://www.avclub.com/article/abbas-kiarostami-53269

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AVC: You’ve said in the past that you’re not offended if people sleep during your films, as long as they dream about them afterward.

AK: I’ve said that many times, and I’m not sure if it has been understood right, because very often they take that as a joke, whereas I mean it. I really think that I don’t mind people sleeping during my films, because I know that some very good films might prepare you for sleeping or falling asleep or snoozing. It’s not to be taken badly at all. This is something I really mean. But the kind of sleep that I had during my own film screening in Cannes is different. It’s not because of the specificity of the film. It was because of my relationship as an author to this film. Usually when I take my films to festivals, I feel incredibly anxious about them. I wonder how it will be received, how the audience will react. I feel deeply responsible for them. Whereas this time, I didn’t have that responsibility on my shoulders. I saw this French woman, this English man in Italy. It was a film I knew well, but I had already seen it, and I was familiar with it, and I had no feeling of anxiety or responsibility toward it.

Seems to me that a sing out book or movie that puts you in the sleeping mod on purpose is just fine and dandy. Falling asleep to something that's supposed to be thrilling in the other hand is one of the worst things.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 06, 2016, 06:42:15 PM
I'm sorry to miss the "1983" chat. That's the first time I've not ff'ed it. It's more drum solo than anything. One notable difference- songs that lull me....never a good quality. Sending you to sleep would be my definition of bad art generally.

That's funny, because during the part that you can't read, I mentioned that it would be nice to do a group album listen at night sometime and then I could close my eyes and maybe just drift off. :)

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"Still Raining Still Dreaming" is great too. Sorry that chat didn't copy as well.

That's totally my fault! I copy and paste a few times while in chat, but got caught up in the music and didn't do my job! Too much time/chat had elapsed and I missed it.

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As for the beat in African music you gotta love that English rhythm section ;D the drumming on Hendrix records is marvellous. He needed a drummer crazy enough to try keeping up.  ;D

So true! Hendrix makes it difficult to pull my attention away from him, but the drums hold their own. We even talked about the drums too. As I said, we were brilliant. ;)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 07, 2016, 12:15:38 AM
Catching up with songs from chat and here...

verbALs, I listened to "Changes," where the drummer gets the spotlight. Buddy Miles is the man! I like how he's trying to buoy himself up, "Everything goin' to be alright..." and then just can't quite get there, "oh no, I want my love..." but then rallies at the end, "It's alright." His own pep talk song.

Bondo, listened to the album, Broken Side of Time, by Alberta Cross today. There's a lot of emotional heft to it, even right out of the gate with, "Song Three Blues." (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkaVphWKKsQ#no) I kept playing the first 20 seconds of it. :) That one, the one you shared, "The Thief & The Heartbreaker" and "Ghost Of City Life" were my favorite three. Each a variation of sadness. Like I said in chat, cathartic and good for the soul... But! They should be chased with happier tunes at some point! Thanks for sharing this.

colonel_mexico, I lost track of how many times I listened to Stevie's Little Wing! You said the song might do something to me. It did. It made me want to keep listening to it. :) There's a lot of love and a sense of honoring the song, poured into his playing. I can feel it. Thank you for telling me, it's a keeper.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 07, 2016, 12:35:13 AM
Bondo, listened to the album, Broken Side of Time, by Alberta Cross today.

Heh, technically I was recommending the album The Thief and the Heartbreaker. But they reuse that track along with one other on their second album. I've not really listened to Broken Side of Time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 07, 2016, 12:44:47 AM
I'm sorry to miss the "1983" chat. That's the first time I've not ff'ed it. It's more drum solo than anything. One notable difference- songs that lull me....never a good quality. Sending you to sleep would be my definition of bad art generally.

That's funny, because during the part that you can't read, I mentioned that it would be nice to do a group album listen at night sometime and then I could close my eyes and maybe just drift off. :)

....and seeing you write it down, my reaction shows me how antithetical the idea is. Your talking about music that doesn't stimulate in any way cos that would wake you up or make you think. I find that if I turn music down really low so that it takes a while to adjust to the volume, I think that means I'm concentrating harder and that can stop my brain going off on a tangent. So it stops other thoughts intruding and keeping me awake. So I can use music to help me go to sleep but that it is barely audible makes it something else. It's so quiet it's only grabbing enough of my attention to do a job. Then you have to have a radio that it's easy to get the volume to just the right level. I like to think the music is still going into my head whilst I'm sleeping. So that's as close as I come to wanting to be lulled by music. Generally and I know it's just my own taste, when I hear about music lulling, all I'm hearing is that it's bland. Bland music really does seem to appeal to people (check Adele at Glasto..she ain't challenging anyone). It seems to be comforting. So music that maintains an already established mood appears to be an intent for listening to it. Yet if it's Hendrix who was doped to the eyeballs at the time and nobody pulls the plug whilst he noodles for 15 minutes then I know that's bad (know still means it's my opinion, for clarity). So lulling means bad. To me. I mean you ve got the real version of Voodoo Chile at the end to compare it to and the difference in reaction is clear. Anyone choosing the 15 min slog over Slight Return?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 07, 2016, 01:32:36 AM
I wouldn't choose VC over VC-SR, but I love them both for different reasons.

Music shouldn't only make us do one thing.  The magic of music is that it can tap every emotion we have even without lyrics.  I have different playlists for different moods.  I can't have just a playlist that wakes me up and stirs me.  I need to rest and be silent as well.  I use music for meditation that basically puts me into a hypnotic trance.  I want music to sadden me, deaden me, awaken me, stir my lusts, give me hope, embolden me and to dash me on the ground, helpless in despair.  I want to be in a conversation with the artist, and if the artist can only hit one note in my emotional repertoire, then it isn't much of a conversation, I think.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 07, 2016, 02:30:08 AM
yeah I'm interested that my reaction to lull is to associate it with bland music. I just thought people didn't question how bland (and for my purposes Adele outside of her hits seems a good example) a lot of music is. But I'm inferring that people actually seek out bland music for a specific purpose.

I think your point about meditative states is apposite for late 60s music and Jimi had a string (sic) to his bow that let him speak to that state. But I can compare these 2 long pieces to Third Stone From The Sun which is serene in a purposeful manner whereas these two just meander. Again I see your point. Meditate doesn't mean think though. So no I'd not want to meditate. I want something to make me think. Cool still has a direction in music. It doesn't just flutter like a butterfly. But thanks for the PoV. I can see why it connects to VC. People just listen to Whalesong now don't they? :D
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 07, 2016, 01:55:19 PM
Meditation is being in present awareness. It's not a blank mind - it's accepting your thoughts/emotions without judgement no matter what they are. That's true meditation/mindfulness.
I think that's a wonderful way to appreciate music.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on July 07, 2016, 02:05:25 PM
Cool. Any examples of good music to meditate to?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 07, 2016, 03:08:57 PM
I've been thinking about what album to do next. It's a tough task to follow these first two. I knew I wanted to go more recent, so I picked an album that's only 20 years old rather than 50. And I wanted to pick an album that I knew I loved a few songs on, had a good reputation, but which I hadn't fully dived into. And so, here's the pick.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Belle_And_Sebastian_-_If_You're_Feeling_Sinister.jpg)

Artist: Belle and Sebastian
Album: If You're Feeling Sinister
Year: 1996


"...like a less bitchy Morrissey, peppering his clever lyrics with ironic barbs." - The Onion AV Club

"Subtly poetic, wickedly funny, gorgeously melodic, steeped in ramshackle C86 jangle and the pop classicism of Bob Dylan and the Velvet Underground." - The Guardian

Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, July 13th
Time: 10:00 AM (CST)


I'm open to changing the time, if enough people want that to happen.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 07, 2016, 03:25:40 PM
I've been thinking about what album to do next. It's a tough task to follow these first two. I knew I wanted to go more recent, so I picked an album that's only 20 years old rather than 50. And I wanted to pick an album that I knew I loved a few songs on, had a good reputation, but which I hadn't fully dived into. And so, here's the pick.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0f/Belle_And_Sebastian_-_If_You're_Feeling_Sinister.jpg)

Artist: Belle and Sebastian
Album: If You're Feeling Sinister
Year: 1996


"...like a less bitchy Morrissey, peppering his clever lyrics with ironic barbs." - The Onion AV Club

"Subtly poetic, wickedly funny, gorgeously melodic, steeped in ramshackle C86 jangle and the pop classicism of Bob Dylan and the Velvet Underground." - The Guardian

Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, July 13th
Time: 10:00 AM (CST)


I'm open to changing the time, if enough people want that to happen.


 :))

Yay, Junior! Way to run with it! I'll be there on Wednesday!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 07, 2016, 04:24:24 PM
Nice choice!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 07, 2016, 05:28:27 PM
I'll try to make this one.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 07, 2016, 08:32:04 PM
Heh, technically I was recommending the album The Thief and the Heartbreaker. But they reuse that track along with one other on their second album. I've not really listened to Broken Side of Time.

I didn't realize it was on another album too! I've been going over this one and am most liking the sounds of Lucy Rider and I've Known For Long.


That's funny, because during the part that you can't read, I mentioned that it would be nice to do a group album listen at night sometime and then I could close my eyes and maybe just drift off. :)

....and seeing you write it down, my reaction shows me how antithetical the idea is. Your talking about music that doesn't stimulate in any way cos that would wake you up or make you think.

My mind wanders easily with music and I like the journeys it can take me on, so it's stimulating synapses, if not always "waking me up."

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I find that if I turn music down really low so that it takes a while to adjust to the volume, I think that means I'm concentrating harder and that can stop my brain going off on a tangent. So it stops other thoughts intruding and keeping me awake.

This is an interesting idea. I hadn't thought of using music in this way.

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So I can use music to help me go to sleep but that it is barely audible makes it something else. It's so quiet it's only grabbing enough of my attention to do a job. Then you have to have a radio that it's easy to get the volume to just the right level. I like to think the music is still going into my head whilst I'm sleeping. So that's as close as I come to wanting to be lulled by music.

I do best if there is silence when I sleep, but if I'm really tired, I can sleep through quiet music, or a quiet TV. Noise can affect my dreams though, as my brain tries to incorporate it.

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Generally and I know it's just my own taste, when I hear about music lulling, all I'm hearing is that it's bland. Bland music really does seem to appeal to people (check Adele at Glasto..she ain't challenging anyone). It seems to be comforting. So music that maintains an already established mood appears to be an intent for listening to it.

Bland isn't my thing. I want music to move me.

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Yet if it's Hendrix who was doped to the eyeballs at the time and nobody pulls the plug whilst he noodles for 15 minutes then I know that's bad (know still means it's my opinion, for clarity). So lulling means bad. To me. I mean you ve got the real version of Voodoo Chile at the end to compare it to and the difference in reaction is clear. Anyone choosing the 15 min slog over Slight Return?

:)

I've had enough exposure to jazz improv to have come to terms with it. The musicians are having a grand ole' time and if I'm not sitting in a concert having to just sit there, I have a lot of patience for 15 minute songs. Just let me multi task, while they do their thing (Jimi included). I can joy in their joy.

I hear you though, verbALs, just adding in my thoughts to yours.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 12, 2016, 06:25:36 PM
Hey everyone!

Pure easy listening, settle down on the pillow soft

Tomorrow, 10:00 a.m.  (CST)


We're going to try the room in dubtrack.fm called Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.

You'll need to sign in and create a user name. Let me know here or in a PM if you're not getting access to the room. Thanks!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 13, 2016, 09:15:44 AM
I'm hanging out there ahead of time. Come get ready to rock out mellow-style.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 13, 2016, 04:59:53 PM
If You're Feeling Sinister (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRdWkZNbfCM&list=PL8mhGp-duDWGPkxEUUsRT79jEwE_4bL8I#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )



Bondo: I would have said I have no great familiarity with B&S, but God Help The Girl came out, which I liked
Junior: I liked that too, but not as much as I wanted to, if that makes sense
Sandy: I know nothing about this group
colonel_mexico: im not familiar either
Junior: alright, let's do it

"The Stars of Track and Field"
Bondo: A very gentle in song, feels like an out song.
Junior: this was their breakout album
Sandy: It makes me feel mellow. Always a good thing.
Bondo: Ooh, putting my headphones in was a good idea, pulls in the lower register of the guitar.
colonel_mexico: yeah i like the chill sound too. this is cool that we can listen to the album here, i downloaded a copy, perfect driving music must upload to my phone
Junior: i really like his accent, it's almost not there, but it's also different enough to give it a whole other feeling
Bondo: He sometimes reminds me of AC Newman of The New Pornographers
Junior: is he also glaswegian(? ??)?

"Seeing Other People"
colonel_mexico: wow this sounds like a life aquatic song
Junior: they do have a very wes anderson vibe
Bondo: But yeah, I could see this being good studying music
colonel_mexico: im feeling sinister, what trouble can i cause today? :)
Sandy: Yeah, isn't the album title the best?
colonel_mexico: totally
Junior: the song is even better. last week we had an album that peaked in the end, this one does so in the middle, I think. I very much like the strings throughout the album, they're never really the key parts, but they do a lot to keep the edges of the songs intact
here we get a little more upbeat!
Bondo:The vocals don't tend to cover a huge range in terms of pitch or volume, so it kind of blends into the music...it isn't foregrounded

"Me and the Major"
colonel_mexico: me and the major dont see eye to eye, a song i could have used to sing to my dad back in the day lol
Sandy: :)
Junior: that's about right, Bondo. makes it hard to focus on the lyrics, but they're so good.  also, lol, colonel
colonel_mexico: its like one of those bluesy train-driving tunes, make my guitar sound like a train
Junior: the harmonica is so great!
colonel_mexico: blues harp! have you seen CROSSROADS? the ralph macchio one?
Sandy: (Missed this question in chat. Yes, I loved it and had a cassette of the music. I wore it out! :) )
Junior: no, any good?
colonel_mexico: some great blues guitar and harp in there, yeah its def worth a watch
Junor: sounds like fun. I'd call Me and the Major a favorite so far
colonel_mexico: same
Sandy: This album is going by too fast

"Like Dylan In The Movies"
Junior: speaking of, I just bought Don't Look Back. they do kind of jam as many lyrics and ideas into small spaces as they can. i love all their different instruments
colonel_mexico: i like this contemplative bridge part
Junior: they can start to sound similar when you listen to a whole album, and they have a definite "sound" but each song has a distinct feel to it thanks to the different/differently used instruments
colonel_mexico: like a darker beach boys tune
Junior: i like that. got some chime-y business at the end here?!?!? fun stuff. here's the beginning of the peak, I'd say
Sandy: I like you guys describing the music as much as I like the music. :)
Bondo: As much as the varied and complex instrumentalism is nice, this stripped down stuff feels so emotionally exposed

"The Fox In The Snow"
Junior: not surprisingly, this song really works in the winter. i'm with you, Bondo. there's so much great imagery in the lyrics
colonel_mexico: yeah bondo good point, they dont need a bunch of effects, you could see these guys playing a quite coffee shop and quietly blowing the place away
Sandy: gosh, the lyrics... "To tell someone all the truth before it kills you"
Junior: second just to being born, second to dying too. i'm glad they have a long bit of silence at the end of that. god I love this guitar.

"Get Me Away From Here, I'm Dying"
Junior: "you could either be successful or be us"
colonel_mexico: lol
Junior: I could kill you, sure, but I could only make you cry with these words
Sandy: "Play me a song to set me free" Ain't it the truth!
Junior: whatever is making those tones in the background is freaking great

"If You're Feeling Sinister"
Junior: this might be a top 5 song for me. all time
Sandy: wow, Alex. That's a big statement
Bondo: Getting to the title track is like when they say the name of a movie in a movie.
Junior: lol
Sandy: sounds like the decemberists here. It's a sister song to "The Sporting Life."
Junior: I get that, with the guitar, sandy. it's hard to resist the kids playing in the intro. especially when the rest of the song unfolds.  "she was into S&M and bible studies, not everybody's cup of tea she would admit to me
Sandy: angel/devil girl! :)
colonel_mexico: yeah this is great jr
Junior: gah! so good
@Bondo is a hopeless nonbeliever
Junior: and what a punchline!
colonel_mexico: awesome

"Mayfly"
Junior: i don't know what that strumming is called technically, but it feels like sunshine
Sandy: nice
Junior: oh, i forgot about this part!
Bondo: oooh, like this
Junior: It's hard to get the full picture of these songs on one listen.
Bondo: I feel like you could just read the lyrics, without music, and it would be good poetry
colonel_mexic: for some reason this one reminds me of that old cure song Killing an Arab, think its the guitar. yeah bondo the lyrics are great
Junior: you can definitely tell why they made a musical
Sandy: There is a lot to absorb, yet the songs make it hard to concentrate, because they whisk me off to primarily mood mode. Thoughts are secondary.
Junior: Yeah, that's a great way of describing it

"The Boy Done Wrong Again"
colonel_mexico: "all i wanted to do was sing the saddest song"
Sandy: yeah, that line
Junior: it's funny, I think they hit certain lyrics harder somehow. it doesn't feel purposeful, but the right lines stick out
colonel_mexico: riding my horse with no name, wondering what will become of me, this is probably my favorite so far

"Judy And The Dream Of Horses"
Junior: well, get ready for more horses!
Bondo: Sleeping is pretty awesome. 5/5
colonel_mexico: lol more horses, this one is good too!
Junior: get some trumpets(?) in there! lol, bondo... wait. this is a song about itself!

... that's all, folks
Sandy: awww, bummer... Thank you [for the songs junior!]
Junior: happy to do it! this was fun
colonel_mexico: thanks jr, got new songs for my playlist looking forward to bondo's pick
Junior: do ya'll want to pick a favorite?
colonel_mexico: for me was so close but The Boy Done Wrong edges out Me and the Major
Sandy: The Boy Done Wrong Again, maybe. I need to listen to them a few times
Bondo: If You're Feeling Sinister probably
Junior: I think we know I"m down with If You're Feeling Sinister
Sandy: Another great choice
colonel_mexico: yeah thats a good one
Junior: but that three song run (Fox in the Snow and Get Me Away From Here I'm Dying) is the bee's knees
Sandy: There's not one I didn't like
colonel_mexico: great album jr
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 14, 2016, 11:12:37 AM
Sorry I missed it!  Frankly, I forgot. :(

I'll listen to the album and offer my thoughts later.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 14, 2016, 11:24:52 AM
Well, as is my traditional role on the forum, I'd like to point out that so far, we've only featured male artists. If we go by albums, my favorite group is Tegan and Sara, however, my true favorite artist is Brandi Carlile, with the proviso that I'm watching her live. Listening to her studio albums is certainly enjoyable, but even a song that seems ho hum comes to fantastic life when she's performing live to an audience. Thankfully, through the wonders of youtube via dubtrack, we have access to a live performance. I should point out, there are official live audio albums and plenty of non-professional concert videos out there, but I thought this professionally recorded show courtesy of AXS TV was going to be the best avenue to her music.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/07/bd/ce/07bdceb5b56e6d30320b254d221652fd.jpg)

Artist: Brandi Carlile
"Album": Live At Red Rocks (AXS TV)
Year: 2012


Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, July 19
Time: 10:00 AM (CDT)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 15, 2016, 11:11:41 AM
Can't wait! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 15, 2016, 06:57:49 PM
Can't make it - got class.
Dang I was mad I missed that last one too.
I will add some comments after.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 18, 2016, 10:40:54 PM
Sorry I missed it!  Frankly, I forgot. :(

I'll listen to the album and offer my thoughts later.

We missed you oldkid. Did you get to listen to If You're Feeling Sinister? If not, I hope you get a chance sometime and let us know what you think.


Can't make it - got class.
Dang I was mad I missed that last one too.
I will add some comments after.

Are you teaching a class, or taking a class? :) Sorry to miss you, but would love to hear your thoughts on this one and/or the last one too!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 18, 2016, 11:01:54 PM
Hey everyone!

You can pass the time here

Tomorrow, 10:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the room called Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.

You'll need to sign in and create a user name. Let me know here or in a PM if you're not getting access to the room. Thanks!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 18, 2016, 11:36:42 PM
Sandy I was taking a class. I am currently finishing up a holistic nutrition program. Tues/Thurs mornings.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 19, 2016, 09:47:54 AM
I am in the room playing a few pre-game songs.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on July 19, 2016, 10:14:06 AM
I seem to have entered a ghost room...
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 19, 2016, 10:49:41 AM
"Sometimes the world of the living gets mixed up with the world of the dead." :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 19, 2016, 12:03:01 PM

Brandi Carlile: Live At Red Rocks (AXS TV) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w19Ho2Fjhz8#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


Bondo: Okay, so before we get going with Brandi Carlile, I can set the stage a little there. I think I first heard her through a couple free downloads on iTunes. But as with many things in my life, there was a woman (this is back in grad school)... She was quite a fan, we bonded a bit through music, so I asked if she wanted to go to the Brandi Carlile concert...even though by that time it was resolved as not a romantic possibility, we went and it was a great time.
Sandy: Was it this concert?
Bondo: no, don't think there's video of mine. It was also 5 years or something before this concert
Bondo: three days after the concert, my knee broke. It had started hurting the prior week but I can't imagine standing for 5 hours helped anything...totally worth it though. Saw her again this summer.

"Raise Hell"
Sandy: she's got quite a presence.
Bondo: She is like 100% different live. So much presence and just such a strong voice that can't be captured entirely by recording.
Junior: she even drums! and claps! and spins!
Bondo: She can do everything!
Junior: this is a pretty good entry in the girl power genre
...
Bondo: Nothing sounds as good as Red Rocks. I have seen a concert at Red Rocks (Rodrigo y Gabriela)...it really lives up to its legendary status among venues
Sandy: would love to attend a concert there

"Dreams"
Sandy:
And now in my dreams,
I can feel the way, I can just come clean
I keep it to myself, I know what it means
I can't have you, but I have dreams

I was going through her songs last night and the lyrics mostly have a theme of pain and loss. She's been through a lot.
Junior: I'm trying to figure out musical foremothers for her
Bondo: Melissa Etheridge?
Junior: the only problem is i'm not very good at that. Etheridge for sure. there's a bit of Janis Joplin, but only when she gets very into it

"What Can I Say"
Bondo: Her newer stuff gets into some positive, kind of activist stuff. I saw her five days after the Orlando shooting. As a married lesbian mother, she certainly had some songs that spoke in protest to the hate of that day.
Junior: that's cool
Bondo: There is a variety in her music...even though it comes from a distinctly bluegrass/folk background. Piano/strings/guitars...harder edged vocals vs. gentle multi-part harmony.
Junior: yeah, she doesn't just do one thing
Sandy: I love how she lets the audience shine in that song. They know the words as well as she does.
Oh, Lord, what can I say
I'm so sad since you went away
Time, time, ticking on me
Alone is the last place I wanted to be


"Hard Way Home"
MxBondoI hope they get into one of the songs where she and the twins really harmonize...I can throw in one at the end otherwise. She's known for some really good covers at her concerts...She did Hallelujah at the first concert. Between all her songs and those, I think she could do three different two hour sets without repeats and each would be stunning.
Junior: I love covers at concerts. I could imagine her doing a great Hallelujah
(not that I actually go to many concerts...)
Sandy: "I never was good at sleeping while the moon was full"

"Keep Your Heart Young"
Junior: Heh, I probably won't be able to relate to these lyrics if that's the place she's coming from
Bondo: Growing up, in Colorado Springs one of the big tourist things was the "Flying W Ranch" where every night they'd have a Cowboy Songs kind of concert...country-western, yodeling, some western gospel. Not my prime genre, but it definitely has its moments and kind of opened me to Brandi Carlile, Neko Case, and the Dixie Chicks
Junior: yeah, none of this is resonating. I do like the song, though!
Bondo: I like that about snowballs with rocks...she definitely seems like she could be an impish tomboy
Sandy: :)Kcreator
(Brandi thanks the audience)
Junior: you're welcome!

"Looking Out"
Junior: oh boy, guitar switch
Sandy: These lyrics really speak loudly and heartbreakingly.
I am afraid of crossing lines. I am afraid of flying blind.
Afraid of inquiring minds. Afraid of being left behind.
I close my eyes I think of you, I take a step I think of you,
I catch my breath I think of you, I cannot rest I think of you

Sandy: There is real processing in her words. A real depth and rawness in its candor

"Turpentine"
Bondo: So Turpentine...this song features some harmonies. At my first concert, she split the audience into three to handle them. One of the twins' harmonies is high falsetto. She said something about women digging a guy who can sing falsetto. I like to pretend that's true.
Sandy: girls have falsetto envy
Bondo: Ooh, I think she's gonna do it here.
Junior: ok!
Bondo: I was in the third group that's coming up.
Junior: i like the wail coming out of that
Bondo: It's a primal voice. Cut down to the emotional core
Junior: exactly... she didn't thank me that time. what a jerk
Sandy: :)

"The Story"
Sandy: This was my favorite song from reading lyrics last night and the music is equal to the words. My guess it will be my favorite overall.
Bondo: Yeah, it is definitely in my top couple. At the concert this year, she got a young girl up on the stage for a sing-along...the little girl was like 8 and just boldly nailed it. Like, her whole oeuvre is a bit female empowerment, but what a magnificent moment for that girl. I'd have cowered.
Sandy: wow, wonderful. not enough girl power in the world, that is also free to be vulnerable and honest. She covers it all
Junior: that's a great way of putting it
Sandy:
You see the smile that's on my mouth
It's hiding the words that don't come out
And all of my friends who think that I'm blessed
They don't know my head is a mess
No, they don't know who I really am
And they don't know what I've been through like you do...

Bondo: It is like the pictures with the female Ghostbusters and superheroes meeting young fans and you're like...it matters. Representation matters.
Sandy: it does
(Brandi thanks the audience) 
Junior: you're welcome!
Sandy: she's really glad you're here, Junior.
Junior: I am too!

"Pride and Joy"
Junior: is this that "Pride and Joy?"
Bondo: no. So I could keep you here all day playing great songs from her, but I'm only going to add one stretch song.   
Sandy: what do you mean, Alex when you say "is this that pride and joy?"
Bondo: Stevie Ray Vaughn I imagine?
Junior: yeah, was wondering if it was one of those covers we were talking about (this is better than that "Pride and Joy")
Bondo: Think they excluded covers in this broadcast...probably gets trickier with rights issues.
Sandy: I see. Love the strings! Yeah, this song is another one that really gets down to it.
That's the problem with the days
They're never long enough to say,
What it is you never said,
All the books you never read.
I throw myself into the wind
Hoping somebody might pick me up
And carry me again.

I'm just quoting lyrics today. :) 
Bondo: The two released covers I own are Folsom Prison Blues and Creep...she did Nothing Compares 2 U at the most recent concert

"That Wasn’t Me"
Sandy: oh, this one is makes me teary. She's good.
When you're lost you will toss every lucky coin you'll ever trust
And you'll hide from your God like he ever turns his back on us
And you will fall all the way to the bottom and land on your own knife
And you'll learn who you are even if it doesn't take your life...
But I want you to know that you'll never be alone I wanna believe, do I make myself a blessing to everyone I meet When you fall I will get you on your feet
When that's what you've seen, that will be me

Now that's embracing one's power!
Bondo: The song starts saying all the bad things aren't her...and ends with all the good things that will be her...so aspirational about atonement
Sandy: well said

"The Eye"
Bondo: Okay, so that's the end of the proper "album"...just thought I'd throw this one on
Junior: Yeah, that was a great one to end the concert on
Sandy: Tis encore really lets me hear those harmonies!
Bondo: For this one at the recent concert they pulled out an old-timey microphone and stood around it...very simple like this.
Junior: that's fun
Sandy: lovely. Thanks Bondo. She's made a new fan today.
Bondo: Thanks for joining today! Hopefully we can get a few to listen along later in the week.
Sandy: Yes! I hope you do this again, maybe tomorrow.
Bondo: This concert was with the release of Bear Creek. Her most recent album, The Firewatcher's Daughter, which The Eye is from, is really excellent too.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 19, 2016, 12:04:05 PM
Sandy I was taking a class. I am currently finishing up a holistic nutrition program. Tues/Thurs mornings.

Oh! Now that sounds fascinating! Maybe you could teach us some of what you're learning sometime. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 19, 2016, 09:17:56 PM
I'm sorry I missed it again.  I had phone calls all morning.  And I'm supposed to be on vacation!  Well, not today.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: colonel_mexico on July 19, 2016, 09:24:53 PM
I misread the date, thought it was tomorrow.  Hey my first post in here, interesting.  This is really a lot of fun especially the chat room that has been set up.  Sorry Bondo and others, crazy week here.  I'll try and listen on my own and post some thoughts.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 19, 2016, 09:38:03 PM
Would anyone who missed today be inclined toward an Encore chat tomorrow night 9 or 10 pm Central?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: colonel_mexico on July 19, 2016, 10:27:17 PM
I might be able to do that.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 19, 2016, 10:52:27 PM
Absolutely
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 20, 2016, 09:00:51 AM
Awesome, I'm working an earlier shift today so I'll aim to get the songs started at 9:30 p.m. Central time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 20, 2016, 09:18:21 PM
This, again, now! Well, not NOW now, just as soon as anyone wants to go.

Hey everyone!

You can pass the time here

We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the room called Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.

You'll need to sign in and create a user name. Let me know here or in a PM if you're not getting access to the room. Thanks!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 20, 2016, 09:49:37 PM
Sorry, I thought it was going to be ten.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 22, 2016, 07:19:45 AM
Brandi Carlile: Encore Chat Excerpts

“Raise Hell”
colonel_mexico:  It’s that country rock vibe, I dig it
Oldkid:  Cool
Bondo:  I find the art of set list construction fascinating...like a good playlist. This song really gets you up and rocking out of the gate.
Oldkid:  Gets the heart pumping.
colonel_mexico:  that riff is crunchy without any effects, very tough
Oldkid:  I think you said this is better live, right? I can see it.
colonel_mexico:  agreed
Oldkid:  So much energy
Bondo:  Yeah, many of her songs really take a leap to another level with the energy of a live performance

“Dreams”
Oldkid:  Did she change her accent? No twang...
Bondo:  She's from Washington State, so not sure how much natural accent she'd have
Oldkid:  It's like she's acting though each song
colonel_mexico:  gosh this is so much tougher than i expected, will be adding to my phone mix
Bondo:  It's an interesting thing...whether it has an air of artifice or is just a sign of vocal depth to be able to put on styles
Oldkid:  Solid rock. Great rhythm in every song. Nice.
colonel_mexico:  karaoke tune?
Oldkid:  I'd love to sing it
Bondo:  Dreams was her biggest song off of her third album.
Oldkid:  Quick end
Bondo:  One of a few that have broken into radio play.

“What Can I Say”
Oldkid:  This one (what can I say) sounds very Irish at the beginning here. Beautiful fiddle
colonel_mexico:  the cello and violins def give it that irish vibe, i like how he's serenading her
Oldkid:  Nice bow
Bondo:  I kind of think of Prairie Home Companion...it's a kind of music that died 50 years ago and they forgot to tell it...only Mumford and Sons et al have made it a big thing
Oldkid:  I've been listening to a lot more of this kinda stuff from recent groups
colonel_mexico:  i used to listen to an irish punk band from back in the day called Flogging Molly they were pretty cool, not super similar though
Oldkid:  A local rock/folk group does a lot of this and I love them much

“Hard Way Home”
Oldkid:  Nice harmony. Another country song
Bondo:  It hasn't always been my type of music (though I certainly do like a lot of it), but I think I was ground in the style through the Flying W Ranch shows in Colorado Springs where they had kind of cowboy music shows
Oldkid:  Although the piano is simple, I really like it in this song

Oldkid:  She has a good time performing. Great concert

“Keep Your Heart Young”
Bondo:  This song I think shows why she has a good time performing :smiley:
Oldkid:  This reminds me of some John Denver songs…"Grandma's Feather Bed"
Bondo:  As a Coloradan, I am obliged to like John Denver.  And I definitely like that comparison (even if I don't love that Denver song)
Oldkid:  I loved it when I was young
colonel_mexico:  trying to keep my heart young
Oldkid:  I'll get there again someday
Bondo:  This year will probably be my high point for 21st birthday parties...so that's something as a person of 33
colonel_mexico:  that was a really fun one
Oldkid:  Yeah

“Looking Out”
Oldkid:  Twins? Brothers in the band?
Bondo:  Yeah, the three of them are the real center, not just her even though it is her name on it
Bondo:  This song might be well timed to speak to both of you.
colonel_mexico:  yes it is, these last two hitting pretty close to home

“Turpentine”
Oldkid:  This reminds me of Joni Mitchell
I love Joni Mitchell
Bondo:  I should listen to more Joni Mitchell
colonel_mexico:  yeah id like to as well, especially the stuff with jaco
Oldkid:  Listen to Blue. One of the great albums
Bondo:  So this bit coming up...she did this at the concert I went to 9 years ago as well.
Oldkid:  Wow, I wonder if the execution of a crowd doing three part harmony really works?
colonel_mexico:  we are about to find out
Oldkid:  Yes we are
colonel_mexico:  has such a 90s feel to it
Bondo:  It is a song from closer to the 90s than now...I'm definitely growing up
Oldkid:  The texture of the strings really adds to the song

“The Story”
Oldkid:  Oh yeah, Rock it
Bondo:  This might have been one that had Junior saying Janis Joplin at one point, Who is another person I should listen to more from.
Oldkid:  This song needed a second level. Janis, yeah I can see it. Love this guitar
colonel_mexico:  even the fiddle is shredding!
Bondo:  "All of my friends who think that I'm blessed, they don't know my head is a mess" is one of the lines that really resonates over time for me.
Oldkid:  I can appreciate that, Nice. I really liked that
colonel_mexico:  same that was great
Bondo:  Probably still my favorite song from her...though there are a few others vying for that title.
Oldkid:  I will certainly make a playlist and play it to my girls. My oldest daughter will really appreciate her, I think

“Pride and Joy”
Bondo:  At her concerts, I was definitely a strong minority as a man.
Oldkid:  When the crowd sings, it's almost all women.  She doesn't have much range or ability to do much precise work with her voice, but it's powerful.
Oldkid:  Good conversation between the strings and guitar here
colonel_mexico:  sounds like a cello battle about to happen
Oldkid:  Then just solid rock, whoa
colonel_mexico:  yeah they are certainly have a tougher rock sound of the country rock groups ive heard like the drive by truckers

“That Wasn’t Me”
Bondo:  This is the last of the televised thing, but I'm gonna throw one more in to mirror what I did yesterday.
Oldkid:  Okay. We need an encore, anyway. Kind of a lame excuse. But pretty song
Bondo:  Wait for it
Oldkid:  Yeah, I projected it. That's cool
colonel_mexico:  that was a nice way to end the show

“The Eye”
Oldkid: Again with the harmony.
Bondo:  This is from a concert that was not professionally recorded...obviously. It's a newer, longer concert.
Oldkid:  The talent makes up for it. Beautiful
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 24, 2016, 05:41:49 PM
For our next listening session, I have chosen a recent concept album.  It has been called "the best 70s album of 2007", it is a tribute to stadium rock in a post-punk context, and it is one of the albums that my daughters and I sing aloud together, with or without the music playing....

The Black Parade by My Chemical Romance


We will hold the listening session on Thursday July 28 at 8am PST (11am EST).
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 26, 2016, 10:50:48 AM
oldkid, this album and group are new to me. Got the date on my calendar and can't wait to listen in!


Love the encore Brandi Carlile chat, guys! Wish I could have been there, so thanks for sharing it here.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on July 26, 2016, 11:16:41 PM
Not overly familiar with My Chemical Romance but The Ghost of You features regularly in my spin profiles.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 27, 2016, 07:53:28 PM
Hey everyone!

Welcome to the Black Parade!

Tomorrow (Thursday), 10:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the room called Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.


Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 28, 2016, 07:57:55 PM
The Black Parade (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpJYQf5uJ4w&list=PLi8kCzCB1NYTghbtlLcRRgp7jsizZ1tur#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )

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oldkid: So this is a concept album by a band often labeled "emo". My Chemical Romance's first three albums were generally about vampires, so the "emo" label made sense. But in the album The Black Parade they made a sharp turn toward 70's stadium rock, still retaining their post-punk sound at the same time. I'm a huge fan of Queen and Pink Floyd, which influenced this album considerably, and I love the mix of old and new that it brings. And there's one song which is one of my favorites of all time. So I will be introducing each song with the title and a summary of what the song is doing in the bare-bones plot.

oldkid: So we begin with...
"The End" In which our protagonist, in the hospital with cancer, introduces us to his world.
Bondo: Having done Abbey Road, which (almost) ends with The End...it is kind of funny to now be starting with The End
Sandy: wow, this is stadium filling sound

oldkid: "Dead" In which our protagonist rejoices at the opportunity of the next life.
Bondo: This is much, much harder, but I was slightly thinking of Fun., which also owes a lot to Queen
oldkid: Such a cherry song about finding a tumor in one's heart
Sandy: I'm going to play it if I ever have that kind of experience. It punches mortality in the face.
oldkid: I want this song played at my funeral
Sandy: yep
Bondo: Yeah, I like it.
 
oldkid: "This is How I Disappear" In which he insists upon the necessity of others, especially his love. The album goes back and forth between more 70's inspired songs (the last two) and their normal hard-rock sound (this and the next one)
Sandy: I'm keeping this one. That scream is therapeutic!
Bondo: There's an interesting philosophical aspect in basing one's existence on the presence of others
Sandy: tell me more, Bondo
Bondo: Well, basically creating self-concept through other's perspective, such that if they stop thinking about you, you vanish. It reverses the typical approach of making yourself the center of your world
oldkid: It's because of the protagonist's deep self-loathing

oldkid: "The Sharpest Lives" In which he remembers his rejection by his love.
oldkid: There's an imperfection on this copy of the song... it bugs me
Sandy: have we already heard it?
oldkid: Yeah.
Sandy: :) I have to say, I am pretty blown away by the artistry. I continually am surprised at how much talent is out there, that I'm not even aware of.

oldkid: "Welcome to the Black Parade" In which our protagonist recalls his father who asked him to join the armed forces and how that shaped the direction of his life.
Sandy:  Is this your favorite, Steve? It gives me chills
oldkid: No, Dead is my favorite. But this comes close, as well as a later song. This song and one other were the hits from this album.
Sandy: very Queen right there
oldkid: Yeah, the guitar work there was very Queen. I think this album was most influenced by Pink Floyd's The Wall and Queens A Night at the Opera. The sound is just so big
Sandy: yes :), I was just trying to find the words. Big.
oldkid: It is almost Broadway in it's obviousness and drama
Sandy: Very much so! ...It makes me want to laugh, cry and dance and scream all at once.
Bondo:Aside from fitting the album's story of this one individual's death, this song is very much an anthem for Memorial Day
oldkid: True. In the album as a whole, it's very satirical.
Bondo: The Ghost of You, the song I was previously familiar with, also has military themes in the video.

oldkid: "I Don’t Love You" Our protagonist again remembers the night his love left him.
Sandy: tight harmonies
oldkid: A rock ballad called "I Don't Love You"... that's pretty cool
Sandy: it sure is
oldkid: Ideathy says this is the only song on the album she doesn't like
Sandy: how come? hello to ideathy, btw
oldkid: I think it's because it doesn't really have any hook
Sandy: but it has a choir... oh! and that part right there!
Bondo: Hmm, I was thinking this had a more conventional radio play nature

oldkid: "House of Wolves" In which our protagonist praises his life of sin
Sandy: kinda wish I had sins I could praise. 
oldkid: I admit he isn't very specific as to the sins... Big Bad Voodoo Daddy on steroids
Sandy: it is!
Bondo: Haha
oldkid: You can dance to it!
Sandy: "You play ring around the ambulance, well like you never gave a care." my conscience is too powerful to let go like that... (he sounds like Jack White here.)
Bondo: Kind of a Madonna-Whore complex thing going on.
Sandy: true

oldkid: "Cancer" In which our protagonist’s love visits him in the hospital, dying. In a sense, the whole album is about dealing with guilt. We'll hear the source of the guilt in a minute, but he is so unworthy, he doesn't care what he does to himself. It's also the source of his joy to die. Again, very Queen
Bondo: Like in Dead...he says it is what he deserves?
oldkid: Yes
Sandy: and it's his apology for I Don't Love You

oldkid: "Mama" Our protagonist, in the armed forces, reflects upon the moral cost of war in a letter to his mother. Now we go back to see the source of his guilt...
Sandy:  :'(
oldkid: Yeah
Sandy: and now a Beatles moment
oldkid: He kills people in war, and while he's gone his mother dies, and he feels responsible... This is Liza Minelli
Sandy: oh!

oldkid: "Sleep" Our protagonist, in the hospital, demands that he is not deserving of sympathy.
Sandy: "The hardest part is letting go of your dreams." This song hits so hard, well... most of them are really.
oldkid: It's a dark album. Probably why I like it so much. And there's a lot of songs to shout to.
Sandy: It changes me, which is a good thing.

oldkid: "Teenagers" Our protagonist, as an armed forces recruiter, gives his theory that the armed forces is just a way to reduce the population of unruly teenagers, and shows them how to fight back. This is the big hit from the album.
Bondo: The Iraq War spawned a lot of songs in the genre...Green Day, Linkin Park, Rise Against

oldkid: "Disenchanted" In the hospital, the protagonist reflects on his participation in a riot and the rejection of his love.
Sandy: "You're just a sad song with nothing to say about a life long wait for a hospital stay." He's saying this about himself? or to her too?
oldkid: To her. He's expressing his anger at his life and taking it out on her a bit.
Sandy: i see

oldkid: "Famous Last Words" In which our protagonist asks for forgiveness
Sandy: ooh, I love the chorus, "I am not afraid to keep on living I am not afraid to walk this world alone."
oldkid: I know. It wraps it all up. "Only if you stay I'll be forgiven." He knows what a horrible person he's been, but through her he is able to receive forgiveness
Sandy: and whether alive or dead, it doesn't matter. He's ready to move forward
oldkid: Frankly, the protagonist is a bit of an ass and I wouldn't want to hang with him. But the story is heart wrenching
Sandy: Maybe he's learned something in the end... Oh my, What an aural experience!

oldkid: "Blood" (extra track) A postscript in which our protagonist glories in the vampire nature of hospital staff
Sandy: haha, and reminiscent of their past albums.

oldkid: And that's it... So, what do you think, overall?
Bondo: It's one that takes time, probably repeat listens to put fully together.
oldkid: Yeah, that's why I put intros. The jumping time frame doesn't make it easy.
Sandy: the intros where very helpful!... I'm shaken up and at a loss for words.
Bondo: Feel like This Is How I Disappear is the one that most immediately got me, though Dead is, like you said, a great song
oldkid: Well, I hope it wasn't an unpleasant experience.
Sandy: not at all!
oldkid: Teenagers is the song that first grabbed me. I would sing the chorus to my teenage son all the time
Bondo: Still kind of laughing about the whole songs about vampires things...like, as an emo band it is rather on the nose
Sandy: ...profoundly unsettling and also alters my perceptions of life and death and what it's all about... much to ponder on.
oldkid: It's weird, because, like you said Sandy, it wants to make me laugh and cry and shout at the same time
Sandy: yes. I'm a mess 
oldkid: My girls just like the songs. We like to drive around town and sing this album at the top of our voices. Also their next album, Danger Days. We get home and we can't talk, we've sung so loud
Bondo: That's me every car trip
Sandy: you would be fun to travel with! all of you
oldkid: It's just more so doing it with your kids.
Bondo: carpool karaoke
oldkid: Best place to do karaoke, no regrets
Sandy: Thank you for an amazing morning. So grateful I got to be introduced to this.
oldkid: Thanks for taking a chance on my musical taste!
Sandy: I trust you implicitly.
oldkid: Ummmmm...
Sandy: :))
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: colonel_mexico on July 28, 2016, 10:22:03 PM
I'm sorry I missed this I'm in South padre island through the weekend. I will catch up with this album though sounds interesting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 29, 2016, 12:31:00 AM
oooh, that must be a beautiful vacation spot! Enjoy!

Col. I think you would really love this album. Hope you get a chance to explore it. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on July 29, 2016, 07:29:52 PM
Next up, St. Martin the Bald's choice...

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2r4swhv.jpg)

Album: First Band on the Moon
Artist: The Cardigans
Year: 1996


So I am going to present an album by one of my all time favorite bands: The Cardigans
Besides the song Lovefool, most people aren't very familiar with their catalogue.

What is it about the Swedes and pop music?
They do it so well...

Unapologetically twee, this band formed in response to a collective interest in metal and hardcore. If you listen - the drumming is very heavy in a lot of songs.
In spite of its sunny sound, there are dark undercurrents to The Cardigans' music. Heartbreak, obsession, co-dependency - these are recurring themes in their lyrics. Plus Nina Persson's voice is buttercream frosting on this cake made of broken hearts and lost souls.

Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, Aug. 3rd
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on July 29, 2016, 11:07:50 PM
Unfortunately, I will be out of internet range during that day.  I will try to listen to it at another time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 02, 2016, 08:09:59 PM
Enjoy your retreat, oldkid!



Hey everyone!

Arrange my books in order
make up some nice stories to amuse you
make things look smart and easy
shape up the place
hungry for the meeting


Tomorrow (Wednesday), 10:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the room called Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 03, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
First Band on the Moon (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Rdt-YJsYQ#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


"Your New Cuckoo"
St. Martin: So this was the fist band that made me really appreciate the power of pop music
Sandy: What were you into before that?
St. Martin: mostly dance/house music...rock. I came from Cleveland. You were taught to eschew pop music
Sandy: Cardigans proved them wrong!
Bondo: I was looking at the release year, 1996 to place it in my own music history.
St. Martin: I wish oldkid were here...this is my exception to the flute in rock music
Bondo: I think I'm in the only heard Lovefool camp. I had previously been tempted by the power of Swedish pop 4 years earlier with Ace of Base
Sandy: In this song, the music and the la, la, la's are completely at odds with the lyrics, "I read your lips with fear."
St. Martin: but the drums are very intense.
Bondo: So, the music is buffering for me :(
Sandy: (Just like tegan and sarah) 
St. Martin: boo ace of base! yep - I love abba the original swedish popsters

"Been It"
Sandy: ("who can ask me for more" :( this song speaks words I don't hear much. She thinks she knows what she's sacrificed and isn't afraid to say so.)

"Heartbreaker"
Bondo: Sounded like some theremin going on with this one. Very ethereal backing for the vocals, musical complexity all the same.
St. Martin: Yes - this was during the hip lounge cat era...tropical drinks, early 60's swingin vibe

"Happy Meal II"
St. Martin: happy meall
Sandy: haha, love this one!
St. Martin: this is one of my favorite songs by them...its definitely one of their happiest... even this one hints of overblown expectations
Sandy: yes, I worry she'll get disappointed or worse, stood up... It's a pretty sexy song, though. Is there a Happy Meal 1?
St. Martin: there was. it was on the first edition of their first album released by minty fresh. it was removed after the release of this one... I used to play them back to back to catch the differences...very subtle. the 1st album was called Life
Sandy: I see.

"Never Recover"
Bondo: Haha, I could almost see Austin Powers and Co dancing to this one
St. Martin: you can really hear their love of heavy metal in this song. listen to the drumming
Sandy: He's gotta be who he's gotta be! When you said, "broken hearts and lost souls," you weren't kidding, Marty. These songs are rough.
St. Martin: she's a little bitter.. ha a woman scorned. I can hear her thoughts racing in that one... its that imaginary convo you have with the lost love
Sandy: yes, she venting in real time

"Step On Me"
St. Martin: I like this one too
Sandy: I was reading the lines to this one last night, ouch!
St. Martin: and then we go right into co-dependence, but its her saccharine sweet voice that lifts these songs up
Sandy: she starts out so soft and passive aggressive and then breaks out into that cry of a chorus.
Bondo: Feeling the need so much that you kind of lose all self-regard.
St. Martin: the last line here
Sandy: If I wasn't listening to what she's saying, I'd be so misinformed by her voice and the sound of the songs!
St. Martin: she's moving into obsession, "I think of you all the day cause you're in my way"
Sandy: This is a therapist's goldmine of information about the state of her mind.
Bondo: Think this is my favorite so far. Solid series here.

"Lovefool"
Bondo: And now we really take me back. :) 
St. Martin: and here is the hit song, but now it fits into the mood
Sandy: need me a Romeo and Juliet viewing now.
St. Martin: right?
Sandy: haha, yeah she's in full obsession mode now.
St. Martin: I would say that this is the same woman from the previous song...she's moved into obsession now... lol
Sandy: :)   
St. Martin: to my everlasting regret I have never seen them live...they only seem to play in Europe these days
Sandy: Someday they will get to Arizona, I just know it!
St. Martin: or I will get to Malmo
Sandy: Yes!... I'm trying to remember what part of the movie this is playing over. Is it the party?
St. Martin: I think so...when they first meet. the next song is rough
Sandy: that's what I thought. It's been too long since I've seen it.
Bondo: God, that second verse is just everything.
Sandy: this one?
Lately I have desperately pondered,
Spent my nights awake and I wonder
What I could have done in another way
To make you stay
Reason will not lead to solution
I will end up lost in confusion
I don't care if you really care
As long as you don't go

Bondo: Sandy knows why that verse hits me
Sandy: Yeah, it's everything.

"Losers"
St. Martin: I enjoy a band who's first language isnt english but they play in english...
Sandy: I forget! How nice they sing it so I can understand them. 
St. Martin: they have a certain directness to them
Bondo: Maybe this goes for t.A.T.u. as well 
St. Martin: TATU...?
Bondo: early-00s faux-lesbian Russian pop group
St. Martin: ohhh I remember them now
Sandy: Love the energy break out with, "close your eyes..." and "fold your ears..."

@colonel_mexico joined the room
St. Martin: hey Colonel!
colonel_mexico: hello
Sandy: Good morning, Col.!
colonel_mexico: good morning, sorry im late very busy week   
Sandy: glad you could join us. :)

"Iron Man"
Bondo: Haha, what a cover song. Interesting way to stick to their pure pop sound but tip the hat to heavy metal
St. Martin: I never really listened to the lyrics before I heard this version. it fits into their world of lost misfits
Bondo: My interaction with the original was mostly screaming "I Am Iron Man DADADADADADADA-DUH-DUH-DUH"
colonel_mexico: kind of portishead sounding, trip hop-ish
St. Martin: I air guitared..cleveland requirement
Sandy: :) I didn't know this was a cover. I don't know it. very portishead! good call.
St. Martin: Black Sabbath Sandy... that was my other choice...Portishead Dummy... next time
Sandy: yes, next time!
colonel_mexico: cool!
Sandy: maybe you should introduce me to Black Sabbath's music, Marty.   
St. Martin: I can do that...I am really only familiar with one album... I just adore her (Nina Persson's) voice
Sandy: what did you call it, Butter cream frosting?
St. Martin: yes buttercream frosting on this cake made of broken hearts and lost souls
Sandy: perfectly stated.
colonel_mexico: the birthday cake of my life lol
Sandy: haha, Col.! Not you, though. your cake is much, much better.
colonel_mexico: haha thanks sandy
Sandy: :)

"Great Divide"
St. Martin: ahhh now its love lost
Sand: this one is so sad. in a little music box of a sound
St. Martin: that moment when you finally accept it with bittersweet recollections. she seems to be recalling a lesson learned
colonel_mexico: "no some people have great stories with noodle salad"
Sandy: ("Just no one in this car")
Bondo: "As long as we remember, there's something to regret." Oof
Sandy: It makes me want her to write another song, to flesh out what she is pondering on. I want to know what she's learned.
St. Martin: the lyrics to the next song are like a little puzzle... kinda feel like she does talk about it in the next song
Sandy: oh! well, that's nice of her to fill me in, then.
colonel_mexico: demure, but sexy, really love her voice

"Choke"
St. Martin: "It's rather sad it feels like we've never made it together since" I always felt this was about her inability to say the word love
Sandy: that's what's stuck in her throat? It's such a little word. Shouldn't be hard to get it out at all. darn. Her lost opportunity.
St. Martin: very burt bacharach
Sandy: it is!
St. Martin: she choked it back... its like this crescendo of a moment this song...
the album is a tale of love/obsession then lost lost love
Sandy: it is a full story, isn't it? very cinematic.
St. Martin: never saw it that way until now
Sandy: you walked us through it. I wasn't putting it together, til you did.
St. Martin: I always listened to the songs individually
Sandy: this is why album listening together is so rewarding!

(Buffering issues the first three songs, so repeated here)
"Your New Cuckoo" "Been It" "Heartbreaker"
St. Martin: she notices him...in this song. lyrics in case you want: http://www.azlyrics.com/c/cardigans.html
Sandy: I thought this was the beginning of the end, since she's seeing him with someone else.
St. Martin: Maybe she sees him for what he is but she falls for him anyway...?
Sandy: Sounds like a good theory, Marty
Sandy: I think I like your theory Sandy - she's telling him he had it good with her and who will he turn to now?
Oooooor... she's stealing him away from the girlfriend
Bondo: This song also gives me hints of Garbage
St. Martin: yes - Shirley manson's towering rage
Sandy: I think it's been a long and convoluted relationship fraught with mistrust and manipulation on both sides.
St. Martin: arent they all
Sandy: haha!
colonel_mexico: lol
St. Martin: jeez this coffee shop is busy today
colonel_mexico: i could use a chai tea latte!
St. Martin: I got that...coffee anyone else?
colonel_mexico: thanks!
Sandy: Marty, thanks for sharing this with us today, even on the run!
@colonel_mexico sips tea
Sandy: haha
colonel_mexicoi like the guitar player, but the bass has some really cool sounds/effects too, its like grungy lounge music, you could be having coffee or wine
St. Martin: ahhhh... this is THE buttercream frosting
Sandy: :)
St. Martin: I want to be seduced by her
colonel_mexico: haha wouldnt take much
Sandy: she's good. She's a heartbreaker, though, Marty
Bondo: Hmm, shall we do this for a little fun...
@Bondo plays Black Sabbath's "Iron Man"...
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 04, 2016, 01:50:14 PM
Next up, my turn...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/259g6zc.jpg)

Album: Glass Houses
Artist: Billy Joel
Year: 1980


“I could have come out with a record that would have guaranteed a certain amount of sales — just by repeating either The Stranger album or the 52nd Street album, by doing something similar. Frankly, I would have been bored to do that. I would have been a dead duck, career-wise. You have to discard an audience to pick up another one.”  -- Billy Joel


Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, Aug. 10th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CDT)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on August 04, 2016, 02:32:11 PM
Excited for this. Like The Beatles, Billy Joel is more a creature of Greatest Hits volumes for me. Will be interesting to sit down with a full album.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on August 04, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
The first side (I had the vinyl, back in the day) is one of my favorite albums of all time.  The second side, not so much.  This will be interesting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 09, 2016, 05:24:11 PM
Hey everyone!

Everybody knows you got to [take a] break sometime[s ]

Tomorrow (Wednesday), 10:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the room called Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on August 09, 2016, 05:33:04 PM
My jury duty got cancelled, so I'll be there!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on August 10, 2016, 09:55:26 AM
We've begun to gather.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 11, 2016, 12:52:06 AM
Glass Houses (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilsv0C1-aBw&list=PLraUXdMOSKKEpSFg4k6EEuXKBfPAQhNex&ab_channel=billyjoelVEVO#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )



Bondo: Alright, let's get the music playing

"You May Be Right"
colonel_mexico: feel like ive heard this before
Sandy: I'm on my phone and cooking, but I'm listening! It looks like I can't listen and chat at the same time. So I'll see you on the other end. Enjoy the songs.  :)
Bondo: This is one of the three big hits from this album.
colonel_mexico: yeah ive heard this one, lol the lunatic you're looking for
Junior: I'm a very casual Billy Joel fan, as in I'm not sure I would call any of his songs favorites but I like listening to them. Oh, and I was obsessed with River of Dreams when I was very young.
colonel_mexico: yep thats me
Junior: I do like to say "You may be right, I may be crazy" a lot in conversations, so I guess I'm pro this song.
Bondo: My sister-in-law has like an uncle that was in his band or something, they are from Long Island so they are fairly invested and it has rubbed off.
colonel_mexico: rock and roll with sax, yeah i dig it
Bondo: Let's just say this is probably not the healthiest relationship he's singing about, but also a take me as I am kind of thing.
colonel_mexico: lol

"Sometimes A Fantasy"
Junior: There's something to be said for the solid pop song with a sub 4 minute length
Bondo: This album came out in early 1980. And it sounds like it.
Junior: check out that synth! as a kid this kind of super 80s sound would have turned me all the way off, but I've grown to like it, partially thanks to the resurgence of synths in modern music
colonel_mexico: man these grooves are similar to this prog band i like, coheed and cambria. kind of a rush sound too
Bondo: Billy Joel has been interesting in adapting his style to the times...mimicking Frankie Valli at one point, this, etc.

"Don't Ask Me Why"
colonel_mexico: this is the billy joel sound i know more of
Bondo: I'd still say he's at the best when his piano is most featured.
Junior: this sounds a bit like Harry Nilsson
colonel_mexico: you are the victim of the accidents you leave' his lyrics don't play around
Bondo: This has kind of a Caribbean funk to it.
Junior: a bit yeah

"It's Still Rock And Roll To Me"
Bondo: This one was Billy Joel's first #1 hit.
Junior: this is a pretty good one. love the claps
colonel_mexico: i like track 2 as a rock song more
Junior: though there's something a little ironic about this song not being particularly rockin'
colonel_mexico: lol. heres some sax to rock us off
Junior: do love the sax, though. I'm always pro sax
colonel_mexico: same
Bondo: It's a very nostalgic song. Can't always connect to it. Makes me think of American Graffiti or something
Junior: i do like the message, though. because there's pretty much always somebody ready to write off whatever music is hip in favor of the old stuff.

"All For Leyna"
colonel_mexico: oh yeah, driving piano gets me hyped
Junior: yeah, i'm into the piano on this
Bondo: I'm used to some 6-7 minutes songs like Piano Man and Scenes From an Italian Restaurant, but this album is just pop essence, flies right by.
Junior: sounds like a montage in a Rocky movie
Bondo: I was thinking more of a meet cute rom com montage
colonel_mexico: lol it sort of does
Junior: either one, really. strange line to walk, but it does it. I'm enjoying this one the most of the non-hits so far... oh!
Bondo: Synth break ftw
Junior: such a great little bit of synth
Bondo: just a great energy
colonel_mexico: yeah this is my favorite so far. chasing girl songs always fun, especially the futile chases

"I Don't Want To Be Alone"
Junior: Tie-eee-eye
colonel_mexico: clapping and toe tapping tune
Junior: It's just a personal thing, but I find it hard to marry edge to paino
Bondo: So much co-dependence.

"Sleeping With The Television On"
Junior: this is a song about me, from the title... I've been trying to watch Pather Panchali for like a month. I keep falling asleep every 10 minutes or so
colonel_mexico: lol
Bondo: It is starting to feel like a fairly front-loaded album
colonel_mexico: not my favorite
Junior: i don't mind this song, but it doesn't do much for me

"C'etait Toi (You Were The Only One)"
Junior: SPEAK AMERICAN, BILLY! WE'RE IN AMERICA!
colonel_mexico: lol
Bondo: I can get with the spirit of the song, but I'm not sure it is musically hitting. This part just helps get him international tours.
colonel_mexico: it feels like something that should come at the end of Hotel Chevalier
Junior: yeah, it sounds like "a Billy Joel song" but not any particular one. all the good ones have elements that make them stand out
colonel_mexico: i want him to rock out on the piano, destroy the ivories billy, forget these sad songs, hate the girl for a minute!
Junior: and do it with a Sax, too!
colonel_mexico: indeed :)

"Close To The Borderline"
Junior: like the guitar on this one is pretty much doing it for me. it still isn't his best sound, but this is pretty solid
Bondo: "I started a revolution but I don't know why" is a pretty good turn of phrase
Junior: lol, Donald Trump
Bondo: There we go, we've found his campaign song...wonder if Billy Joel would let him use it.
Junior: but yeah, I like that. I could see listening to this one some more. a solid second place song from the non-hits
colonel_mexico: think billy would delete his song forever before he let him use it. it was a tougher sounding tune, but im hard to feel as inspired as the earlier tracks

"Through The Long Night"
Junior: oh, a Paul McCartney solo song slipped in here
colonel_mexico: a beatles tune
Junior: lol
Bondo: Yeah, was thinking that too, or George Harrison
colonel_mexico: lol
Junio: "all your passions and sins past" is also a pretty great line
colonel_mexico: i wonder what the sexual implications of this song are?
Bondo: If it was Sting I think we'd know
colonel_mexico: lol... was that the end?
Junior: i liked that one, too

Bondo: Yep. So it seems we all got most jazzed about All For Leyna
Junior: yeah. definitely the best of the non-hits
colonel_mexico: yeah Leyna my favorite for sure, that one makes the phone music shuffle
Junior: 1. All For Leyna 2. Something about a borderline 3. Through the Long Night
colonel_mexico: what was track 2?
Bondo: Track 2 is Sometimes A Fantasy
Sandy: Well what did you all think?
colonel_mexico: i enjoyed it, im curious about the different loves of his life
Bondo: Felt for a moment like the first half was gonna be really strong and the second kind of just filler but the last two kind of pulled it out.
Junior: big fan of All for Leyna, Close to the Borderline, and Through the Long Night, plus the hits
colonel_mexico: Sometimes a Fantasy, thanks bondo, yes enjoyed that one too, phone shuffle winner too
Bondo: I do know Joel has had a fairly...eventful romantic life, a few ex-wives I think.
colonel_mexico: makes sense
Junior: do you have faves, sandy?
Sandy: 1. All for Leyna 2. You Were the One 3. Through the long night.
Bondo: I'm kind of interested in exploring more of his albums in context, The Stranger and An Innocent Man at least.
Sandy: Through The Long Night is beatlesque
Junior: Strong consensus. wonder why Leyna wasn't a hit. we all said that, too
Sandy: :)  It was, wasn't it?
Bondo: My collection of his music was cribbed from my brother's box set and I lost most of it when my hard drive went.
Junior: I hadn't heard it before
Bondo: It doesn't make his 36 song Essentials album, only three from this album (tracks 1, 3 and 4)
Sandy: I was in jr. High so many of these songs got a lot of radio time
Junior: that's fun
Bondo: It hit #40 on the UK charts
Junior: huh
Bondo: It was actually the first single from the album, but got upstaged by the big three that followed. Sometimes A Fantasy was the fifth single (and the B-side to All For Leyna) *Wikipedia facts, actual truth may vary
Junior: that's interesting. It's a more complex song than the bigger hits, that's for sure, though it's still no Piano Man or whatever.
Bondo: I've always been a sucker for The Longest Time
Junior: oh yeah, that's good
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on August 11, 2016, 01:27:23 AM
I'm sorry I missed the listening session this AM. 

When I owned this album on vinyl back in 1981, the first side was:
You May Be Right
Still Rock 'n' Roll to Me
Don't Ask Me Why
All for Lena

I wore the grooves down on that side.  And my favorite, to this day, non-hit of Joel's is All for Lena.  It has the fast, pounding piano work that we can hear in The Stranger, and builds energy in Joel's best songs.  I never hear this song on the radio, although the other three on this side had their day in the sun.  It is the best "unsung" Billy Joel song and a real find.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on August 11, 2016, 07:27:47 PM
Everybody loves All for Leyna!

Next up was supposed to be Colonel Mexico, but he's away next week and so it fell to me to go again. I'm excited to spread the love a bit and branch out from my own old white guy thing. Keeping it old school, though, with this pick:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/fd/At_Last_-_Etta_James.jpg)

Album: At Last! (with 4 bonus tracks)
Artist: Etta James
Year: 1960


"More than a half-century after its release, At Last! remains one of the greatest records about loneliness ever made: a languid, jazz-inflected paean to (reluctantly) working it out on your own." (Pitchfork)

Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, Aug. 10th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CDT)


This one's on youtube, so we can hang out in that dubtrack.fm room.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: JakeIsntFake on August 11, 2016, 08:39:04 PM
Absolutely love this album. But I've started back school  :( Nevertheless, I'll try to stop by!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 11, 2016, 09:33:07 PM
That would be great, Jake. :)

Oooh! Nice choice, Junior!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: colonel_mexico on August 12, 2016, 06:39:05 PM
Listening to tunes and chatting tonight if anyone is around
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 12, 2016, 07:52:05 PM
Oh! If I can use a laptop after my work for the day is done, I'll join in. If I miss everyone, at least I can see the song history, so I can still enjoy the music that was played. Enjoy!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: colonel_mexico on August 12, 2016, 08:16:05 PM
Cool :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on August 16, 2016, 06:45:34 PM
Very excited for tomorrow's listening session! This album is heartbreakingly gorgeous.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 16, 2016, 08:20:09 PM
Of course I have a meeting at 10am tomorrow.  :-\
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 16, 2016, 10:56:10 PM
bummer, Sam. Hope you still get a chance to listen to the album. If you do, let us know what you think. :)


Very excited for tomorrow's listening session! This album is heartbreakingly gorgeous.

Me too!



Hey everyone!

At last... And life is like a song

Tomorrow (Wednesday), 10:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the room called Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on August 17, 2016, 09:44:09 AM
Gonna be hanging around before the official start, sharing some stuff.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 17, 2016, 12:57:21 PM
At Last! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYbSXB8Jsj0&list=PL7X22SwvYycySVQxv2Zq1sEV_CmYJvJBy#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


"Anything To Say You’re Mine"
oldkid: Speaking of one of the greatest vocalists, ever.
Sandy: What made you choose this album, Junior? I'm very glad you did.
Junior: It was a staple of my friend group a few years back. we would go to my friend's basement and he'd put records on and this was probably the best one. so it has stuck, but I also haven't really listened to it recently, so I wanted to get back into it.
Bondo: like, vinyl? how quaint
Sandy: :)
Junior: yeah, lol
oldkd: I think I was expecting more jazz standards. This is 60's soul.
Junior: I do love the soul
oldkid: Like Sam Cooke
Bondo: So is she in a relationship and being neglected or longing for someone and waiting for a sign?
oldkid: Anytime I hear that kind of sax, I have to chuckle. It just sounds so funny.
Junior: I think there's gonna be a lot of that going on, the neglect, loneliness... and sax! I think you all know how much i love sax

"My Dearest Darling"
oldkid: Oh, yeah, sing it Etta.
Junior: She's just so damn good. This is just kind of a nice song
oldkid: Back and forth between quietly soulful and giving it her all
Junior: i love that low whine she does
oldkid: Nice

"Trust In Me"
Bondo: Keep wanting to offer her advice about not pursuing emotionally unavailable people, knowing that others could offer me the same advice. We can never be so wise about ourselves.
oldkid: What? This isn't Kaa's rendition?
Junior: lol
oldkid: Junior, do you know what year this album is?
Sandy: Yeah, Bondo. How is it we're so clear minded about others?
Junior: 1960. you want to give her a hug throughout this whole album
Sandy: I think we all need a hug... group hug!
Junior: !
oldkid: It's easy to see other's mistakes, because their motivations aren't clouding their actions. In the end, all we see is what each other does. For ourselves, it's much more complicated.
Sandy: very true
Junior: these have all been right around 3 mins. in and out
Sandy: they're going by too fast
oldkid: The kind of album that I'd want to memorize and sing-- especially when she gets shouty.

"A Sunday Kind Of Love"
Junior: This is one of the standards that's still a big song 
Bondo: Basically, she wants him to like her as she looks when she wakes up in the morning, hungover, on four hours sleep
oldkid: lol   "My arms need someone to enfold"
Sandy: is that asking too much?
oldkid: It's not asking too much. Unless you are the parent of small children.
Junior: do any of you know another version of this song better?
oldkid: Haven't heard it before
Sandy: I haven't heard it before either.
oldkid: I like the lyrics.
Junior: there's an Ella Fitzgerald version, and a Four Seasons one, too

"Tough Mary"
Junior: last of side 1 
oldkid: I'm not a fan of the background vocals in this one.
Bondo: Did it just say "Tough Mary is tough"?
oldkid: And they cover up Etta's vocals 
Junior: lol, i like this song, but yeah, the background vocals are a very acquired taste. the lyrics, at least in her part, are great... SAX!   
oldkid: Love the sax
Junior: oh, it's so good
oldkid: The wild sax of the 50s. May the sax never be tamed
Bondo: Part of me is like...I'm not sure these lyrics are very feminist.
oldkid: You think?
Junior: can't deny that she's tough, though

"I Just Want To Make Love To You"
Junior: Side 2! this is the better side by far, I think. keep that sax going
Bondo: Yeah, burying the lede
oldkid: Great version of this classic
Junior: yeah, it's great. i'm very much liking the full orchestra backin 
oldkid: I love the gravel in her voice here
Junior: some strings, the SAX
oldkid: The orchestra as percussion is great. They let the sax out again!
Junior: she's so good. If you never saw her you'd have the exact image in your head anyways. this was used in a Diet Coke commercial in 96. i think that's the first great song on this record
oldkid: There was another commercial... That was great, yeah

"At Last"
Junior: and here's one of the greatest songs of all time
oldkid: Getting our expectations high
Junior: i get chills at that opening 
oldkid: Oh, I know this one. Again, very similar to Sam Cooke. Or is Sam Cooke similar to Etta James?
Sandy: I want this to be the last song on the album... After all she goes through, then these words and her emotion behind them.
Bondo: The is the album's climax, figuratively and quite literally
Junior: it's actually from a movie called Orchestra Wives originally
Sandy: i didn't know that
Junior: i think it's safe to say that this version is the definitive one
oldkid: Beautiful
Junior: she lets it loose a little at the end there, but her restraint is what makes it
Sandy: "Life is like a song" Sometimes this one... sometimes "All I Could Do Is Cry."
Bondo: When my life feels like that song, I'll know I've finally found what I'm looking for.
oldkid: It's like a release, a salvation
 Junior: yeah, it's the ideal

"All I Could Do Was Cry"
Junior: another all timer!
oldkid: Yeah, At Last should have been the last song.
Bondo: Clearly she didn't wait until marriage to have sex. Or is this someone else's wedding?
Sandy: Someone else's
oldkid: Like most pop albums of the era, each song is it's own story, not necessarily connected to the others in the album. There were exceptions, but this could have easily been a album-length story.
Junior: i think that's the idea, yes
Bondo: That was a quick come down.
Sandy: huge come down. sheesh
Junior: right, we could resequence it and have a solid thing going
oldkid: Absolutely
Bondo: #PoorEtta
oldkid: Silly background vocals again

"Stormy Weather"
Junior: I love this song
oldkid: I have no choice but to compare it to Lena Horne's version
Sandy: found this Etta quote I love, "My mother always told me, even if a song has been done a thousand times, you can still bring something of your own to it. I'd like to think I did that."
Junior: that's great, Sandy. i was gonna say, there are a billion versions of this. Frank Sinatra, Etta James, Dinah Washington, Clodagh Rodgers, and Reigning Sound and most famously by Lena Horne and Billie Holiday. according to wikipedia
oldkid: Frank Sinatra sang every song written, I sometimes think
Sandy: too true! Etta brings simmering anger to her version
Junior: she's so good at that, yes!
oldkid: Perhaps the story of this album. I'd begin the album with Stormy Weather
Bondo: When in Asia, do not sing Frank Sinatra, it will put you in danger
Junior: sounds like there's a story there...
Bondo: Apparently karaoke Sinatra is very competitive there in SE Asia anyway.   
oldkid: Ah. I'll take care

"Girl Of My Dreams"
Bondo: From the title I was hoping this is where she gives up on men and comes out as a lesbian.
Junior: yeah, that'd be a great ending
oldkid: Surprised Adele doesn't go that direction
Junior: I like that she's just blocking out the backing vocals. she's like, no, I got something to say, shut up
oldkid: This has an interesting tone. Both light-hearted and she's pouring out her heart
Junior: so that's it for the album as released
oldkid: The difference between her vocals and the production?
Junior: there were four bonus songs in a rerelease that I have here, do you want to do them or leave it as is? they're all duets with Harvey Fuqua
oldkid: Do them!
Sandy: yes!
Junior: Ok!

"My Heart Cries"
Junior: his very smooth voice is an interesting contrast
oldkid: Very simple. The harmonies are interesting. A little jarring, but cool
Junior: it seems a shame in some ways to tether her to a guy she has to harmonize with

"Spoonful"
oldkid: She ain't tethered here. Awesome blues vocals.
Junior: no, and this was originally a Howlin' Wolf, song, so she's in her element. she's a howler for sure!
oldkid: Ah, yeah. I like his vocals, but it's too smooth for her.
Junior: later covered by Cream. this was a radio hit, and i believe it
oldkid: He finally reaches toward the energy she poured out the whole song

"It’s A Crying Shame"
Junior: oh, those horns. and guitar (?)
oldkid: Can barely hear the guitar
Junior: yeah, that's kinda what i like about it. it's there, barely... gosh, she so powerful. oh, yes
oldkid: A lot of skill here
Junior: getting a little rap-ish! "You did it, forget it, admit it, let's quit it yeah, yeah with who?"

"If I Can’t Have You"
oldkid: Sax!
Sandy: and sex
Junior: they know how to get me
oldkid: I'd love to hear more of her blusey vocals... without Harvey. Laughing at the kissey-sound
Junior: yeah, i'm gonna delve a little further into her stuff and see if there's more like this, but, like you said, without him....


Junior: ok, that's everyting
oldkid: Why does this era constantly cut the songs off? Just before the song is wrapping up, they lower the volume
Junior: final thoughts? Best song? Best sax?
oldkid: Best song... At Last
Junor: Best side: B
oldkid: All the sax was great, don't make me choose between them. I wish sax would make a comeback in modern pop
Bondo: Well, there was a certain "oof" to the whole first side with the lyrics...very of its era...women as bought by diamonds, women as domestics in exchange for love
Sandy: Besides At Last, my favorite is, "All I Can Do Is Cry" It has the most heart wrenching sung words
Bondo: But "At Last" rises above all things
Junior: it's so perfect
oldkid: It's easy to say this after listening to a half century of amazing production, but the production of the album could have been much better
Junior: yes, there are some "product of its time" things. production, lyrics. but her voice, the sax. They stand above the rest
Sandy: Thanks for the music, Junior!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: ses on August 17, 2016, 04:10:41 PM
10 am CDT? 

Doesn't anybody work? :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 17, 2016, 04:30:40 PM
I can listen at work. (http://forum.imguol.com//forum/images/smiles/icon_rock.gif)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on August 17, 2016, 08:35:07 PM
10 am CDT? 

Doesn't anybody work? :)

AND go to school. Neither happens at 10am though :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on August 18, 2016, 12:45:30 AM
It's 8am on the Pacific coast.  I listen before work.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 22, 2016, 02:58:28 PM
10 am CDT? 

Doesn't anybody work? :)

ses, if you'd like to share an album, you get to pick the time and day of the week. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 22, 2016, 03:25:07 PM
Next up, colonel_mexico's turn...

Tomorrow! (Tuesday) 9 a.m. (CDT)


(http://i67.tinypic.com/rumj51.jpg)

Album: Thirteenth Step
Artist: A Perfect Circle
Year: 2003


“On 'Pet' Keenan whispers over a gentle riff and drum caresses, and then fights for air as a spiked guitar line cuts its way into the twin rockslides of Freese’s drumming and White’s pummeling stop-and-start bassline."  -- Nick Cowen


Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, Aug. 23rd
Time: 9:00 a.m. (CDT)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on August 22, 2016, 10:29:22 PM
I'd love to join you, but I don't know that I'll be awake and ready on the internet at 7am my time.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on August 22, 2016, 10:37:19 PM
Will be a tight fit before class. I'll try to pop in.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 23, 2016, 01:02:40 PM
Thirteenth Step (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=856IA8Bp8es#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


Sandy: that banana slug freaks me out. I used to come across them when hiking as a kid. *shudder*
colonel_mexico: lol yeah it pretty big
Sandy: Col. When did you discover the album? I'm guessing it was because of Tool? 
colonel_mexico: yeah i heard of APC because of Tool, this was the 2nd album they had released, the first one is good too, but a bit heavier

"The Package"
Junior: is this about DRUGS?!?!?!?!?!?!
Sandy: haha
colonel_mexico: lol
Sandy: it's step one, i think
colonel_mexico: think a few of these songs are about someone he dated who was struggling pretty badly. maynard that is, the lead singer
Bondo: I haven't heard of this band at all
Sandy: maynard is the lead singer in Tool, too? he sounds familiar
colonel_mexico: yes
Sandy: puzzle pieces getting put together! this is a good wake up song. just what I needed
colonel_mexico: yeah these guys go from real melodic to real heavy, big swings
Sandy: How he turns Lie into two syllables, is unique
Junior: i always wonder why people in very famous bands don't just make music with those bands. like, why start up another thing? Would Tool not record these songs?
colonel_mexico: it was interesting how this came about, the guitar player for this band was the guitar tech for the player in tool, he showed maynard some stuff and they decided to put something out that was lighter than what tool was doing, i think that album was kind of just for fun and just to see, and it was really popular
Hunior: huh... well, i kinda liked it
Sandy: an alter ego project, keeps the Tool trade mark pure
colonel_mexico: sort of, compared to what tool had been doing this stuff is much lighter

"Weak And Powerless"
colonel_mexico: one of my favorite tunes right here. love this bass riff. its a girl bass player!
Sandy: This song is pretty unforgettable.  instantly recognizable. Girl bass power!
colonel_mexico: cool! i played bass too, it is a fun instrument, you are driving the song with the drums, very important but not out front as a singer or lead guitar
Sandy: The bass player is the unsung hero of the band.
Junior: I'm just thinking, if the beatles changed the name of their band every time they did a different sound there would have been like 10 different bands
colonel_mexico: yeah totally, but the difference mainly here is that maynard the singer is the only member that is the same
Junior: i'm cool with it, I just always wonder why it happens and now I know! when did this come out?
colonel_mexico: 2003
Junior: it sounds like 2003. in a good way
Sandy: I'm getting lost in these songs. carried somewhere. 
colonel_mexico: haha cool, yeah man i love this album a lot. and i want to say one of these songs is on the film constantine
Junior: big fan of Constantine


"The Noose"
colonel_mexico: like the lyrics in this one
Junior: i'm enjoying the angry drums
colonel_mexico: haha yeah the song has a mellow sound, but there is that underlying hint of darkness, anger. the way i read this is someone who has like gotten sober an addict or something who is now all better and proud, but there is a lot of wreckage left and how are they going to go about making their amends. he has some interesting takes on religion too
Sandy: humbling
Junior: i like that reading

"Blue"
colonel_mexico: my buddy and i would try and figure out what he was saying, 'got to admit she's turning blue', is what i thought, but it's 'call an optimist' lol
Junior: ha, that's amazing... I'm here!
colonel_mexico: lol :)   
Sandy: it's a great phrase
Junior: you can call me Optimist Prime
colonel_mexico: LOL, awesome i just might. thats a good username/handle
AlexThompsonweird fade out! i like it!

(http://i63.tinypic.com/103ymhz.jpg)
glass half full 

colonel_mexico: love it! :)   
Junior: lol

"Vanishing"
colonel_mexico: 'like a thought brushing up against a sigh' the breathy lyrics of this one lol. i saw these guys once in austin it was very cool, james iha from the smashing pumpkins was touring with them 
Sandy: wow, i bet they were fun to see live
colonel_mexico: yeah light show stuff was very cool
Junior: they were ahead of their time. the non-understandable vowel-sound-heavy lyrics thing is big right now 
colonel_mexico: right... another long fade out. lol
Junior: i appreciate the fade out after the abrupt stops of last week's album
colonel_mexico: haha, im sorry i missed that   
Sandy: yeah, not in an all fired hurry to quit the song
Junior: it was a good one.

"A Stranger"
Sandy: this is really lighter fare than Tool. Like you said, there's breath here
colonel_mexico: yeah for the most part they are like the lighter side of that band 
Sandy: ...and sorrow, 
Junior: that's good. i'm not sure Tool is quite my thing, this is more like it. 
Sandy: ...melancholy 
Junior: this sounds like one of those songs you were talking about in the beginning
colonel_mexico: right
Sandy: Is the stranger, God?
colonel_mexico: that is a good guess, im not sure!   
Sandy: anyone who's hard to find, perhaps
colonel_mexico: probably, maynards mom was very religious something he didnt share, but he does seem to sing about things like the hypocrisy of religious people 
Sandy: yeah, a lot of questioning

"The Outsider"
Sandy: I think we lost Bondo. He's either fallen back asleep or making a smoothie
Sandy: both. at the same time
Sandy: multi tasker! He most likely had to get to class.
Junior: i like the guitars on this one. not my usual thing, but it works here.
Sandy: this must be his girlfriend's song. the frustration comes in the guitars, and his vocals
colonel_mexico: he was like in the army and i think he was disillusioned by that kind of life too
Junior: huh, that's interesting
Sandy: my chemical romance had that theme too.
colonel_mexico: i think he turned down a chance to go to west point to become an officer, he certainly did not seem like the type

"Crimes"
Junior: is he actually saying things in this song? 
colonel_mixico: im not sure man, feel like this is an interlude or something, so short 
Sandy: i looked it up and it says, "one two three four five six..." 
Junior: huh. maybe counting his crimes?
colonel_mexico: maybe so 
Sandy: maybe so     haha
colonel_mexico: :) lol!

"The Nurse Who Loved Me"
Junior: i think you've slipped in a song from a different band here.
Sandy: Florence Nightingale effect 
Junior: heh
Sandy: oh, it's just her pharmacy keys. poor girl, it's not about her at all
colonel_mexico: lol. im learning more about this album from you guys!
Sandy: :) 
Junior: i do like the druggy sound of this one quite a bit. it doesn't go overboard like so many do.
colonel_mexico: say hello to the rugs topography! lol 
Sandy: :D i didn't understand that until you typed it
Junior: i'm guessing this one's not about his cat.
colonel_mexico: lol. i was wrong the constantine song is passive by APC, not pet, darn different album
Junior: it's no problem. I can pretend. 
colonel_mexico: lol thx. this song seems more politically driven. he covered songs on another album raging against the war in iraq
Junior: though I am very much enjoying also pretending that this song is being sung to his cat.
colonel_mexico: LOL!
Junior: i'm sure it's ruining whatever the real idea of the song is, but it works so well
colonel_mexico: another keanu-esque movie, john wick. but a cat for maynard makes more sense
Junior: i know my cat can sleep through anything.
colonel_mexico: haha
Junior: probably even war drums
colonel_mexico: right there he was saying ill protect you from your enemies and your choices they are one in the same. the boogeyman is coming, put your head down and go to sleep, feels like hes talking about bush
Junior: oh yeah. it's Dick Cheney pulling the strings
colonel_mexico: but i like JRs interpretation better
Junior: thanks
colonel_mexico: :)

"Lullaby"
Junior: i'm not sure this would get me to sleep.
colonel_mexico: lol 
Junior: and if i did, i would certainly have nightmares
colonel_mexico: lol nightmares.  tori amos once said maynard sings her lullabies
Sandy: they do nice duets together
Junior: weird 

"Gravity"
colonel_mexico: this is our final song   
Sandy: oh, I'm liking this one... I liked the other ones too! just this one, is something special
colonel_mexico: im glad sandy!
Sandy: it's building to something... There it is, "I choose to live"
Junior: this is a cover of that John Mayer song, no?
colonel_mexico: i dont think so
Junior: so all songs with the same titles are not actually the same? strange 
colonel_mexico: lol 
Junior: i also like this one.
colonel_mexico: yeah this is a good one
Sandy: "help me survive the bottom" :'(  I'm going to have to listen to this again this morning. There was too much to absorb in one sitting. 
colonel_mexico: yeah sandy there is a lot. i will play it every once and awhile and just let it carry me away 
Sandy: it is that kind of album. Thanks for sharing it
colonel_mexico: thanks everyone for being here! this was a weird one, hence my weird thread on the forum i enjoy the weird stuff
Sandy: weird equals compelling.
Junior: it's certainly not something I would seek out on my own, but I liked listening to it with you guys
colonel_mexico: cool man, glad to have shared the experience together
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on August 26, 2016, 12:06:09 PM
So I'm up next and am pretty excited to announce this week's album is:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Garbage_-_Beautiful_Garbage.png)

Album: BeautifulGarbage
Artist: Garbage
Year: 2001


Listening Booth
Date: Monday, Aug. 29th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CDT)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 28, 2016, 05:52:28 PM
Hey everyone!

Welcome. We love you... You make the whole world wanna dance!

Tomorrow (Monday), 10:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on August 29, 2016, 09:46:43 AM
Aiming to get the album going pretty close to 10 as I'll have to scoot pretty quick after. Alas the business (busyness?) of school time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on August 29, 2016, 09:47:40 AM
Oh crap. Hoping I can get in for the second half.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on August 29, 2016, 11:00:53 AM
Sorry I missed it, but I had to get my daughter to school and had an emergency this morning.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 29, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
Sorry I missed it, but I had to get my daughter to school and had an emergency this morning.

Sorry to hear that, oldkid. I hope you're okay. I'll be posting the chat soon, so if you'd like to listen along, there's that option.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on August 29, 2016, 04:04:21 PM
Beautiful Garbage (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzFNvzEPwcY#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


"Shut Your Mouth"
Sandy: Bondo, how did you come across this music?
Bondo: My first exposure to Garbage was probably in the soundtrack for the Gran Turismo games...playing those for hours you end up hearing each song dozens of times. This is the first full album I really got into of theirs though.   
Sandy: Oh, I missed out then! I need to play more in my life. 
Bondo: There is very much a queer punk aspect to their approach. Can be quite in your face.
Sandy: ATTITUDE
Bondo: They previously had a song called Queer...as we'll see in the next song, Androgyny...so it is a repeat theme. While I recognized Shirley Manson as attractive, when I was listening to this I hadn't really sorted out my own sexuality at this point.
Otherwise she probably would have been a major sex symbol for me, playing up that androgyny.
Sandy: it's never too late. 
Bondo: She might have supplanted Sporty Spice.
Sandy: that's saying something!

"Androgyny"
Bondo: "Don't let a soul mate pass you by"...I kind of like that, don't let your presumptions of your own tastes shut you out to someone special. Kind of a pansexual plea.
Sandy: it's very fluid, her take.

"Can’t Cry These Tears"
Bondo: I don't always think Garbage lyrics are the most incisive...often it is more the broad attitude, like you said before in all caps.
Sandy: Yes, I'm going through some of the lyrics and they have a much more powerful punch with her vocals and the band.
Bondo: Maybe it's the red hair, but sometimes I think she's spiritually descended from David Bowie
Sandy: haha! could be, Bondo.
Junior joined the room
Sandy: Hi Junior!  We are listening to talented edgy artists
Junior: hello! i made it. have we hit the Bond song yet? Is that on this album? That's the only one I know for sure.
Sandy: That's where I've heard their name!
Bondo: Bond song is not on this album...not sure it was on any of their albums actually. Did you play Gran Turismo when you were younger...1 or 2?
Junior: huh, you'd think they'd play off of that, but whatever. only the demos
Sandy: I'm liking this one, for the lyrics especially.
Bondo: The World Is Not Enough is a great Bond song...better than anything else in that film.
Junior: agreed
Bondo: They had songs in GT1 and GT2 that was my first exposure.
Junior: huh, that's cool. yay for videogames!

"Til The Day I Die"
Bondo: If you view this album as a story, it gives you whiplash. Break up and get together songs alternating
Sandy: This song should have gone before the last one. Would have been a story then.
Bondo: :D
Sandy: haha! ...I'm wanting continuity!
Junior: this sounds like Garbage, as in they sound like what I think they sound like. Does that make sense?
Sandy: Yes, makes sense.
Bondo: Spoiler alert, next song is a break-up song...also perhaps my favorite song on the album. Yeah...good to have a distinctive sound
Sandy: Thanks for preparing me, Bondo. I'm ready for anything now.
Bondo: They actually get kind of mellow in the second half of the album
Junior: well, i'm enjoying the not-mellow section.
Bondo: "I'm sure gonna leave you." Even in a love song, it has that darkness laced in
Sandy: Yeah, that line told more than all the other contrasting protestations.

"Cup Of Coffee"
Bondo: So much angst!
Junior: is that a theremin?
Bondo: Yes it is.
Sandy: fitting for such a song
Junior: more songs should have theremins. theremi?
Sandy: :)

"Silence is Golden"
Bondo: And back to the rock. This is one where I wish Col. was here to rock out.
Junior: this song is like the album. alternating with the guitar stuff and not guitar stuff
Sandy: This one also has some of my favorite lines
If I am silent then I am not real
But if I speak up then no one will hear...
If I raise my voice will someone get hurt

Bondo: Yeah, very interesting stuff...maybe about idealization of women that is prevented if they actually are people.
Sandy: maybe so
These lines are a universal need...
Did you hear my voice
Will you hold my hand
Do you understand me

Junior: some things are simple
Bondo: That song just builds into a rage
Sandy: This is my favorite so far.

"Cherry Lips"
Bondo: This one is very much about a sort of objectification.
Sandy: yeah
Bondo, hopefully the Col. will be able to listen in later.
Junior: this is a fun video
Bondo: It is a very poppy song, this was my favorite when I was young and not full of darkness
Junior: lol, what an ending

"Breaking Up The Girl"
Bondo: I talked about her red hair, and that is how I best know her, but she's dyed blonde in most of these videos.
Junior: they're interested in technology, eh? i do like the visuals attached to the idea of the song. she's getting deconstructed in front of us
Sandy: it's an interesting way to get to someone. Pointing out what they're doing to someone else. ouch

"Drive You Home"
Bondo: Slowing things way down.
got_my_buddha joined the room
Sandy: Hi St. Martin!
Junior: what's up?
St. Martin: hey guys
Bondo: It's a testament to her voice that she can do these delicate, melodic songs right along side the screamier punky rock songs.
Sandy: yes, these are much harder to pull off
Junior: i like a good mix, so i'm enjoying the shakeup
Bondo: Sometimes, though I have a pure voice that can sing this, but I can't pull off the hard stuff.
Sandy: I'm best in a group setting. hides a multitude of flaws... She's also excoriatingly delving into her part in this relationship.

"Parade"
Sandy: Are you familiar with this band, St. Martin?
St. Martin: Very...seen them live a few times, for this tour in fact
Sandy: wow, that's so great! a lot of energy
Bondo: I've never had the chance to see them live unfortunately.
St. Martin: I have all of their albums. I felt this one was a homage to a lot of their influences. Shirley is one of my favorite front persons in all of music
Bondo: I feel a bit of an odd duck having this as my favorite. I think 1SO swears by Version 2.0
St. Martin: I love 2.0 as well...but this album holds a special place for me
Bondo: I haven't really kept up with them after Bleed Like Me...need to do that.
St. Martin: it [Beautiful Garbage] is an odd duck of an album for them, but I really like it. was not a huge fan of bleed like me. Silence is Golden and Cherry Lips were my favorite songs on this album

"Nobody Loves You"
Junior: aww, im sure somebody loves you, Garbage
Bondo: I like that...a hole in the heart so the love comes pouring out...like, it is uncontrolled and messy love, rather than the way love is supposed to come out
St. Martin: The ending of silence is golden - with that raw, vulnerable wail...powerful
Bondo: I kind of like the vulnerability of Cup of Coffee, then following that with the build of Silence Is Golden...such a tandem
St. Martin: yes
Sandy: Yeah, Silence is Golden is holding my top spot.

"Untouchable"
St. Martin: shirley's lyrics are always thought provoking...ever since she sang about tearing your soul out in VOW
such a powerful voice in rock. just a hint of strings in the background
Bondo: Based on the music feels like a relationship with her would be a bit traumatic, but it would be really living and feeling, a bit addicting. Though we've had a number of albums through this series that portray love in those terms...love really is such a powerful emotional force
St. Martin: was this 2001? 2002?
Bondo: 2001.
St. Martin: she sings a lot about regaining equilibrium in relationships...or it could be vengeance...ha ha. it really is our goddamned raison d'etre, love that is.
Sandy: :)
Junior: i like whatever this sound is
St. Martin: they are amazing live - raw punk energy - shirley stalks the stage

"So Like A Rose"
Sandy: Makes me wonder what brought about this song
Junior: a rewatch of Beauty and the Beast?
Sandy: That must be it, Junior. :)
St. Martin: they recorded this song in only 3 hrs
Sandy: what is that sound they're making? another obscure instrument?
Bondo: ...It is a fade out for the whole album really
St. Martin: the wikipedia on this album is surprisingly detailed...good read. are you familiar with garbage sandy?
Bondo: "I take it out every Wednesday" *rimshot*
St. Martin: boom. lol
Sandy: :) ...I've only heard their Bond song.
Bondo: So many punny titles have no doubt been written in their honor. *headlines
Sandy: Very happy to become familiar with the band today. Good therapy music. 
St. Martin: Their first 3 albums are amazing. the first one blew me away
Sandy: I'll give it a spin.


Bondo: Anyway, thanks for being here everyone, unfortunately I have to be a bad host and bolt but school beckons.
Sandy: Bondo, great choice this morning. Thanks for sharing it with us.
Junior: later!
St. Martin: bye guys
Sandy: bye
colonel_mexico joined the room
Sandy: Hi Col.!
colonel_mexico: hi did i miss it?
Junior: hello!
colonel_mexico: hey sandy and jr. just got in from the office, got a little break before school
Sandy: yes, but we can replay some if you'd like
colonel_mexico: sure
Sandy: I'll play Silence Is Golden...   
colonel_mexico: oooh heavy
Sandy: Bondo thought you'd like this one. 
colonel_mexico: he would be correct
Sandy: he knows you well, then.
colonel_mexico: yeah we get to know each other over the course of our shares
Junior: yeah, this one is good, but I'm not a huge fan of the lyrics.
Sandy: I like the lyrics. They speak to me.
colonel_mexico: an interactive intimacy from the convergence of our favorite tunes
Sandy: haha, Col.! You've got Law Office jargon going on.
colonel_mexico: lol
Sandy: taking work home with you, I see. 
Junior: feels a little too heavy on the cliches without doing much with them.
Sandy: :)
colonel_mexico: this song speaks to me right now
Sandy: Yeah, this is my favorite.
colonel_mexico: totally dig that...
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 01, 2016, 09:44:34 PM
Okay, this week we will get back to classics.

The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars
By David Bowie

I'm assuming that most of us have heard a good portion of this album.  If not, it is certainly time.  But this format allows us to revisit older albums and to share what we really thing, to hear what we might not have heard before, to hear different perspectives.

So I'm planning on 10am (Central Time) Tuesday September 6
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on September 01, 2016, 09:48:11 PM
Oh, that's a fun one. I was leaning towards it for my next time out, so I'm glad you're doing it first and opening up a space for me to pick something else! I'm very excited.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on September 02, 2016, 12:04:06 AM
Definitely something I'll catch up with and read the chat along to, but unfortunately I won't be there live.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 04, 2016, 01:18:04 PM
Yay, oldkid!! The Rise and Fall... has two of my favorite Bowie songs in it -- "Starman" and "Rock 'n' Roll Suicide." Can't wait! :)

Bondo, hope to hear your thoughts about the songs when you get a chance to listen to the album.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 05, 2016, 12:01:30 PM
Hey everyone!

I leaned back on my radio. Some cat was layin' down some rock 'n' roll 'lotta soul

Tomorrow (Tuesday), 10:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on September 05, 2016, 03:22:35 PM
Turns out I might make it. And I'll be on strong drugs.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 05, 2016, 10:23:11 PM
Turns out that I have to take my daughter to a dentist appointment at 10 Central Time.  So I will try to get up early and we'll do it at 9 Central Time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 06, 2016, 10:43:13 AM
We listened to The Rise and Fall Of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkfjQrlXo1g#no) and had a great discussion, but my computer crashed at the end and I lost chat, before I could save it. :(

If you'd like to listen to it and share your thoughts, please do! Such an astounding album.


Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 06, 2016, 01:47:24 PM
Forgot about this. Was busy anyway. Oh well.

I feel like we need an evening one for those of us busy in the mornings.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Monty on September 06, 2016, 01:53:55 PM
Damn, I missed this, when I specifically made a mental note to listen to the album and be involved with the chat :(
I hope everyone had a great time listening to the album, it still stands up nearly 45 years later. The songs are bullet proof.

Bowie Talking About Yorkshire & The Band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeIDJLw5DB4#no)  :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on September 06, 2016, 04:40:23 PM
Think I'd only heard Starman before, and it earns its classic status. Of the rest, I really enjoyed Star, working many of same influences as Billy Joel. As a whole it isn't my cup of tea, musically. This is of course tragic as Bowie's post-gender motif should speak to me. His music is complex, and that isn't necessarily my thing. Much as Freddie Mercury is too good a singer for me to fully appreciate. I like more melodic, singable stuff with catchy hooks/choruses. Starman maybe comes closest to this, which it is probably no coincidence it is the big song from the album.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: MartinTeller on September 06, 2016, 11:18:41 PM
It's odd... when I was growing up, "Suffragette City" and "Ziggy Stardust" were the ones that always got play on classic rock radio, even though "Starman" was the big hit at the time.

I love the whole album. It's the only Bowie album (that I've heard) that I find enjoyable from start to finish. In fact, it's the only Bowie album I have. For me, the rest of it is covered well enough by The Singles 1969 to 1993. That's probably heresy to some of you.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on September 07, 2016, 12:06:29 AM
Bowie often does story-songs, and most of the songs on this album are story-songs, which I think account in some way for the not-quite-singable nature of them. Bowie's range is actually pretty easy to sing in, I find, and if you can parse what he's saying the lyrics begin to seep into your mind.

Additionally, and I said this in chat, though Bowie has a reputation for being wicked out there, super weird, his songs often sound very much like the music they are influenced by. He's influenced by seemingly everything and just as Bondo found a Billy Joel-esque song I found one that sounded like Led Zep. That grounds him, somewhat, but it also works to make him the unique genius that he was.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on September 07, 2016, 12:43:09 AM
For me, the rest of it is covered well enough by The Singles 1969 to 1993.

That's an interesting enough challenge; 12 songs outside the singles album (caveat being that any bands singles collection might be the best a band has to offer...Led Zep excepted  ;D);

Black Country Rock (I'm in love with the Bolan impression currently)
Quicksand
Queen Bitch
Soul Love
Moonage Daydream (I'll take the Hammersmith Ronsonothon live)
Aladdin Sane
Cracked Actor
Lady Grinning Soul
Station to Station (preferably the 13 minute live version)
Stay
Breaking Glass
Always Crashing In The Same Car
Look Back In Anger
It's No Game Pt 1
Scream Like A Baby

More than 12. As a collection, it reflects Bowie stretching himself towards breaking point for over 10 years which is incredible in itself. So it represents something the singles don't so much. Anyway fun exercise.

Oh and  his version of "Sorrow".
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 07, 2016, 10:56:30 AM
Station to Station live is an amazing work.

Ziggy Stardust is a contender for my favorite album of all time, possibly kicking The Wall off of it's pedestal.  Partly because every time I hear the album it meets my soul's need for music, producing a happy dance in my heart.  And often my feet.  Even in my aged state, I am compelled to do air guitar to some of these songs.

And unlike the Wall, which I feel I have dug down to the lower depths and discovered almost all the puzzles in that album, Ziggy still retains mystery, much for me to discover.  I only have a basic idea of what the album is about and many of the songs need puzzling out yet.

The basic idea is about the world in chaos because of the announcement that the world (the human world) will end in five years.  An androgynous alien comes down to earth, becomes a rock star to give the world a message of hope, but the alien is killed.  That's the basics-- very Stranger in a Strange Land by Heinlein.  But it only covers the surface of the themes of the album. It touches on fashion, feminism, fame and other themes.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 08, 2016, 12:19:29 PM
Thanks for sharing your thoughts about the album and Bowie's music, everyone!



I feel like we need an evening one for those of us busy in the mornings.

Sam, if you'd like to share an album, you get to pick the day and time. :) Please do.

Let me know if you're interested.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 08, 2016, 03:59:30 PM
I could probably do Wednesday or Thursday evening. Anyone interested? I'll have to think more about an album.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on September 08, 2016, 04:30:12 PM
I've got class on those days until ~8pm eastern.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 08, 2016, 04:33:45 PM
I could probably do Wednesday or Thursday evening. Anyone interested? I'll have to think more about an album.

That's great Sam! You're up right after St. Martin, who will share his album next week. Are you able to share one on the 21st or 22nd?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 08, 2016, 05:29:02 PM
Next up, St. Martin the Bald's choice...

(http://i68.tinypic.com/2vtacch.jpg)

Album: Dummy
Artist: Portishead
Year: 1994


Simply of the most mind blowing and influential albums in my life. It's like a cool French film wrapped up in dark sexy trip hop lingerie.

Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, Sept. 13th 
Time: 11:00 a.m. (CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 08, 2016, 10:56:28 PM
I could probably do Wednesday or Thursday evening. Anyone interested? I'll have to think more about an album.

That's great Sam! You're up right after St. Martin, who will share his album next week. Are you able to share one on the 21st or 22nd?
Yea, I should be able. It'll give me time to think about it.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: mañana on September 08, 2016, 11:59:32 PM
Dummy is some top-shelf stoner music. 'Numb' and 'Glory Box' are for always.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Monty on September 09, 2016, 03:01:45 AM

Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, Sept. 13th 
Time: 11:00 a.m. (CST)


That's about 5pm UK time. I'm not going to miss this one!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 09, 2016, 08:34:11 AM
That's about 5pm UK time. I'm not going to miss this one!

That would be so fun! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 12, 2016, 06:37:00 PM

Hey everyone!

Hush, can you hear... Enter and rejoice...

Tomorrow (Tuesday, Sept. 13th), 11:00 a.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on September 12, 2016, 11:42:48 PM
I've got a dumb meeting tomorrow at that time, unfortunately. Have fun without me, if that's even possible.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 13, 2016, 09:14:44 AM
Okay, given that a lot of us work during the morning listening booth, I'll be starting one in the evenings for those interested. After a lot of deliberation I decided on a first album:

So (Peter Gabriel)

(Thursday, Sept. 22th), 7:00 p.m.  (CDT)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on September 13, 2016, 11:46:16 AM
I will post my thoughts a little later - had a last minute booking. Gotta make that $$.
I do think this album holds up well - it's over 20 yrs old.
I hope you all enjoy this as much I have over the years. It's my go-to album for when I want to feel cool and dead sexy. :P
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 13, 2016, 12:24:57 PM
Okay, given that a lot of us work during the morning listening booth, I'll be starting one in the evenings for those interested. After a lot of deliberation I decided on a first album:

So (Peter Gabriel)

(Thursday, Sept. 22th), 7:00 p.m.  (CDT)

Excellent choice.  One of my favorites.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 13, 2016, 12:26:32 PM
I will post my thoughts a little later - had a last minute booking. Gotta make that $$.
I do think this album holds up well - it's over 20 yrs old.
I hope you all enjoy this as much I have over the years. It's my go-to album for when I want to feel cool and dead sexy. :P

:D

Really enjoyed your album, St. Martin! oldkid and I had a nice little chat. I'll post it in a few...
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 13, 2016, 01:21:16 PM
Dummy (https://vimeo.com/95865898#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )

oldkid: How far into the album are we? I like her voice. The electronic blast was a bit harsh in the last song. Maybe it's because I came in the middle. This song, though, is similar to Chillwave, which I've been listening to a lot... Okay, now we're in Wandering Star... So "Strangers" I didn't care for. But "It Could Be Sweet" was quite nice. Mellow and meditative. Wandering Star is also fine. I love the harmonica here.
Sandy: hi!
oldkid: Hi! I thought I was all alone. I guess you were, though
Sandy: Sorry, i was taking care of a baby
oldkid: That's a good thing
Sandy: have you heard this album before
oldkid: No. Never heard this artist. Electrobeat, with a strong hint of Chillwave
Sandy: i only knew her from the song Tom the Model, which i really love and then later I heard, Glory Box, which I love too... what is chillwave?
oldkid: Chillwave is a mellow form of electronic music, it is both dance and quiet
Sandy: im slow, typing one handed :)
oldkid: noprob
Sandy: yes, this music fits chillwave.
oldkid: I should give you a few Chillwave songs. What's weird about it is there are no hooks. But sometimes that's what I want.
Sandy: i could see needing songs like that on occasion... St. Martin had a last minute client so couldn't be here.
oldkid: Too bad. No one else, either, huh? I almost forgot
Sandy: The timing is tricky
oldkid: Have you been listening, or too baby focused? This song has a Bjork sound to it.
Sandy: it does! I've been both listening and taking care of the baby. both semi focused. I'm getting a general mood, but not the lyrics... this part makes me think of king louie, "I wanna be like you." :)
oldkid: When I first listen to an album, I usually take in the mood and sound and think about lyrics the next listen through
Sandy: that's a good policy
oldkid: This song makes sense for Manana's term "stoner music"
Sandy: haha. yep...
oldkid: This song is cool.(Glory Box)
Sandy: Yes, this is my favorite type of singing she does, both pleading and plaintive.. It sounds a lot like Tom The Model
oldkid: But the song "Roads", the line "how can it feel this wrong" is so haunting. Wow... Glory Box - Wow is this amazing. 40's torch song and 70's guitar and 10's electronica... Wait, don't turn it down! I'm not ready!
Sandy: did i turn it down?
oldkid: No. The producer did. He should stop that.
Sandy: haha... do  you want to hear tom the model?
oldkid: Yeah
Sandy: okay...
oldkid: So much heart in the vocals
Sandy: i get choked up
oldkid: Yeah. Every pain she has ever felt pours out of her... I will certainly add some of her songs to my chillwave set.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on September 14, 2016, 12:50:12 AM
It's usually called Trip Hop. The Bjork connection is that the guy who produced her albums was part of the same Bristol crew who were part of or influenced Massive/ Massive Attack, Tricky, Portishead but also had a hand in the tagging culture that Banksy emerged from. My favourite album of this whole period is Tricky's Maxinquaye. There's a deeper undertone of reggae and of broken beats of hip hop. Portishead the name reflects how Portishead the town sits off from Bristol and adds a classic sixties feel to that thrumming beat. A bit more refined...like an English town outside an English city. Attached but detached. Bristol has a harbour, Portishead has a marina.  ;D
Massive Attack played to 30,000 on the Downs above Bristol a few weeks ago.....in the pouring rain, which seemed apt. Big homecoming gig.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on September 14, 2016, 12:05:33 PM
Strangers, Wandering Star and especially Biscuit (https://youtu.be/uiT0fBePR0Q#no). Big Love. "I'll never fall in love again, it's over now" Is this the original vocal slowed down?

At Last. Relief. A mother's son has left me here.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on September 14, 2016, 12:53:46 PM
More later but I wanted to share this (https://youtu.be/_K6f2wJk69w#no).
It's from their live album, the song Sour Times. Beth Gibbons goes from vulnerable and sad to a raging howl of raw emotion at the end - wait for it, seriously. Truly, a gut wrenching performance.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 21, 2016, 11:19:25 AM
More later but I wanted to share this (https://youtu.be/_K6f2wJk69w#no).
It's from their live album, the song Sour Times. Beth Gibbons goes from vulnerable and sad to a raging howl of raw emotion at the end - wait for it, seriously. Truly, a gut wrenching performance.

This has been played on repeat. :) Excellent.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 21, 2016, 11:23:33 AM
Hey everyone!

'Cause I believe there's a place, there's a place where we belong.

Tomorrow (Thursday, Sept. 22th), 7:00 p.m.  (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 21, 2016, 11:29:32 AM
I won't be able to do this one, I have an appointment at that time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 21, 2016, 11:29:54 AM
HYPE!

Also need to try out the chat this evening and figure out how it works. Might need some test subjects.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 22, 2016, 06:51:54 PM
Okay, I think I have this figured out. We'll be in the P Gab Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/p-gab-listening-booth). Password: filmspotting
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 22, 2016, 09:49:07 PM
So (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6BesY5Doec&list=PLzH7DPYb-ewfTBN2oOGH2Jj9yFvstceD2&index=1#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Not in the same order, but press play and follow along. :) )

Sandy: When did you learn about this album?
Sam: Probably in middle school. I first heard of Peter Gabriel in this game I played: Uru: Ages Beyond Myst. He had some song in that. And then there was Myst 4 and he had a song in that, so I just looked on the internet one day and decided I wanted to listen to more and people said this is the one to start with.
Sandy: I love that you found his music through a game!
Sam: have you heard this album before?
Sandy: I can't remember if I've heard the whole thing. It might have been posted in my music thread a long time ago.
Sam: Yea, you've listened to tons of music thanks to us.
Sandy: :) It was a great ride. I was familiar with some of the songs earlier than that though

"Red Rain"
Sam: We get video for this one! I used to have all kinds of theories of what the red rain was I think I finally just settled on it being a metaphor for pain. I think Gabriel in the '80s is one of the few artists in the '80s I enjoy. That decade is kinda a wasteland for me when it comes to music.
Sandy: this is one I'm not as familiar with
Sam: "I come to you defenses down, with the trust of a child" is easily one of my favorite lines of the album. Gabriel's music always invites vulnerability.
Sandy: There is a great amount of trust in that statement.
Sam: I also just love how generally calming this album is. He makes a comfortable soundscape
Sandy: Yes, for a song about pain, this one is soothing

"Sledgehammer"
Sandy: haha this song. not very subtle
Sam: I used to have theories about this song as well, but I don't remember now. It's kinda a silly song. Even more so with the music video
Sandy: I haven't seen the video
Sam: Watch it sometime. It's entertaining. https://youtu.be/OJWJE0x7T4Q#no
Sandy: Thanks! I will... this song is very steamy
Sam: Yea, one of my theories about this song was definetly that.
Sandy: haha, sound theory
Sam: Also like the idea of it maybe being about breaking down walls. You know, like that line in Wrecking Ball!
Sandy: :D I like that idea too!
Sam: Pretty sure I'm the first human in history to compare Gabriel and Miley Cyrus.
Sandy: I'm positive of it!
Sam: I enjoy that even a throwaway song like this is kinda open to other readings. Also love the wind instrument in this song. No idea what it is.
Sandy: I'd like to think his songs have mutli-meanings
Sam: Also, this song reminds me a lot of Steam from Us, a song I like a lot more than this one.

"Don’t Give Up"
Sam: This song. ;(   tears
Sandy: I'm sure I heard this on on that music thread.
Sam: I probably recommended it. Or oldkid
Sandy: then thanks, i love it a lot. I'll listen to Steam afterwards too!
Sam: Kate Bush's voice is so warm here. I just generally connect with the disillusionment of this song. Gabriel is in his 30s at this point, but I connect with a lot of this now. Maybe I'm a decade ahead of my time.
Sandy: Yes, you are. Sometimes I'm Kate and sometimes I'm Gabriel.
Sam: I guess I'm both at different times. Sometimes at the same time. "Cus somewhere there's a place we belong" That line kills me.
Sandy: we typed the same thing. :) Yes, we are both... ah, that's a nice note.
Sam: Always wonder if he jumps or not. ambigious, like most of the songs.
Sandy: you're right, but I think Kate has the power of persuasion
Sam: Yea, I like to think that as well

"That Voice Again"
Sam: I like this song. Very much about the inner turmoil of one's voice and one's desire
Sandy: I spent a little time reading the lyrics to this one. It caught my attention
Sam: "There must be more than this." Yes
Sandy: "judge and jury in my head"  that is so true
Sam: Yup, been there.
Sandy: I take strength in this line, "it's only in uncertainty that we're naked and alive"
Sam: Yea, that's another one of my favorite lines from the album
Sandy:I'm learning to live (and thrive) with uncertainty. it really is a powerful line.

"Mercy Street"
Sam: I want to live on Mercy Street.
Sandy: hmm, i hadn't really thought about the opening to this song, but it's really great
Sam: Yup. The light percussion.
Sandy: yeah and it takes its time
Sam: Almost every line in this song is great. Love this whole opening about dreams. Also, this song reminds me of night in London.
Sandy: Oh, love London. I'm reading along. I want to catch all the words...
Sam: "Words support like bone." "Wear your inside out." Probably my favorite line of the album. Always imagine this as Gabriel trying to visualize heaven
Sandy: oh my
Sam: What is heaven if not a place of mercy?... "In your daddy's arms again"
Sandy: I'm so glad you're listening to this with me. I'm getting your insights. Who's words do you think support like bone?
Sam: "to the priest, he's the doctor, he can handle the shocks" And the line about kissing mary's lips. You can see the Catholic background here.
Confession and communion.
Sandy: nice. I went to a Mass last month. It was beautiful. Now when I hear this song, I'll think of it.
Sam: I love how quiet this song is. Almost a whisper.
Sandy: yes, so still in its arrival, and departure... riding the waves on the sea, like being rocked to sleep
Sam: I love this transition coming up

"Big Time"
Sam: He puts the quietest and loudest songs against each other. It's so funny
Sandy: ha! don't get complacent with Peter!
Sam: This song is only slightly less silly than Sledgehammer, but it has some provoking lines. Like this idea of mocking the desire to be big. Also funny how many small words he uses here to undercut it all
Sandy: :) I've been reading Great Expectations and Pip just gave the most condescending chastisement to Biddy, before he goes to London. I can picture him singing this song.
Sam: "And I will pray to a big god as I kneel in the big church." drops mic. Also wonder if this is his jab at his former bandmate Phil Collins
because it kinda sounds like one of his songs.
Sandy: I didn't know they were band mates.
Sam: And he makes fun of Randy Newman in Car, so he's not above making fun of fellow musicians
Sam: Yea, Genesis was the band. It's great until P Gab leaves. Then it's just another '80s pop band
Sandy: I know Genesis. I guess I just didn't realize Gabriel was in it. :-[
Sam: Yea, in the '70s

"We Do What We're Told (Milgram's 37)"
Sam: It's apparently a reference to the Milgram experiments. 37 refers to the people who got the biggest shock. It was all about shocking people and how high people would shock people.
Sandy: I remember reading about this, but didn't remember the name.
Sam: Interesting study
Sandy: I don't want to think I could ever do that, but... who knows

"This Is the Picture (Excellent Birds)"
Sam: I really don't know what I think of this song. It's like just about birds and snow and pictures. Not sure if there is more to it than that.
Sandy: I didn't get anything from the words, either
Sam: Laurie Anderson wrote and sung this song with Gabvriel
Sandy: oh, now there's another name I was introduced too
Sam: so it kinda feels out of place. probably the weakest song on the album
Sandy: I think she would be proud to be told her song feels out of place
Sam: So that was a song...
Sandy; :) it makes you appreciate the other ones all the more. Do you have a favorite Gabriel song?
Sam: Funny you should ask....

"In Your Eyes"
Sam: It's this one.
Sandy: yay! I too LOVE this song
Sam: "Love, I get so lost sometimes." I get a lot of feels from this song. I cry a lot listening to this song. Not ashamed to say it.
Sandy: no shame in tears
Sam: "Days pass, and this emptiness fills my heart." Every line in this song resonates deeply with me. Very few songs do that... I could write a paragraph on every line
Sandy: you should
Sam: "in your eyes, I am complete"
Sandy: I'd like to dissect the lyrics
Sam: I always feel like in your eyes has a dual meaning
Sandy: what are they?
Sam: you see yourself completed in another, but that other also sees you in a completeness you can never see yourself, like only those outside of you can get the full picture
Sandy: oh! yes, I'm keeping that interpretation. It speaks truth.
Sam: "Love, I don't like to see so much pain." Tears... Just tryin' to survive. "I look to the time with you to keep me awake and alive." Even an introvert sometimes needs time with someone else to recharge.
Sandy: more vulnerability
Sam: (You didn't hear me say that)
Sandy: :) From one introvert to another. I hear you loud and clear! I think this song is so sad to me, because it's all theory. But, I want to believe in it... The completing, the keeping awake and alive. Beautiful.
Sam: There's a version of this song that has a super long ending. It doesn't work. the length here is perfect. love the bit of African music at the end
Sandy: sometimes less is more
Sam: He'll develop his African influences more in Us
Sandy: is that another band he was in? African influence was kind of a big thing in the 80's (Paul Simon)
Sam: No, that's another album. Us is sort of a spiritual successor to So
Sandy: Oh! thanks. 
Sam: Well, that was So!
Sandy: that was the last one?
Sam: Yup!
Sandy: too fast!
Sam: It was originally the first song on the b-side, but he moved it to the end when he remastered it. think it works better at the end
Sandy: yes, this one or Mercy Street would work well to end things... so what are your thoughts about In Your Eyes?
Sam: It's a masterpiece! It's part love song, part lamentation of the pain and suffering in the world. And only being able to connect with a human being will help ease that suffering
Sandy: Just the words alone are some of the finest lyrics poetry I've read,
I see the doorway to a thousand churches in your eyes
the resolution of all the fruitless searches...

it sure beats, moon, spoon, june
Sam: haha

Sandy: thank you so much!! I've really enjoyed this.
Sam: Thanks for joining! talk to you later
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 25, 2016, 08:38:33 PM
Next up, my turn...

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Album: Moulin Rouge! Soundtrack
Artist: Various Artists
Year: 2001


“No film of 2001 caused more excitement and controversy than Baz Luhrmann's strikingly unique postmodern musical. It's a dazzling spectacle of quick edits, flashy costumes, and breathtaking lights that enchanted some viewers with its beauty and sent others flying out of the theatre doors to confess their sins at the nearest church. The movie polarized audiences more than any other in the recent history of film, and it proved very difficult to predict which audiences would eventually see it for the fourth time and which would stagger out and lose their lunch in the lobby.

...Luhrmann decided to enhance the postmodern aspect of the concept by mostly adapting famous songs from the past for placement in this new context. The allure of Moulin Rouge for many viewers exists in the fact that the songs chosen for the film don't even all come from musicals themselves. Most of them are rock songs from the previous two decades that have been converted into a fully orchestral musical form. The familiarity of the songs makes the orgy of Luhrmann's sets, costumes, and half-naked dancers even more disparate for the 1899 Parisian locale of the story. Still, the equation works.”  -- Filmtracks


Listening Booth
Date: Thursday, Sept. 29th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CDT)

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on September 25, 2016, 09:03:36 PM
Sold be able to make this one! I'm excited too. There are some solid songs on there.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on September 25, 2016, 09:44:10 PM
Feel like I'll never make another one until my turn comes around and I can dictate schedule  :'(

Oh, and catching up with the Portishead album. Very much in my wheelhouse. Using it to chill toward sleep.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 25, 2016, 09:52:22 PM
Ooo, that looks like fun. Dunno if I'll make it. Depends on how busy work is.

Anyone up for doing another one in the evening? I can do Wed/Thur night if people are interested. Someone else can pick the album this week.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 26, 2016, 12:43:46 AM
Cool.  I'll try to make it.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 26, 2016, 08:13:05 AM
 :) looking forward to it

Bondo, hope you listen when you can and chime in afterwards.

Sam, I might be able to do that. If you set up a listening session, I'll let you know.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on September 26, 2016, 08:27:11 AM
Bondo, hope you listen when you can and chime in afterwards.

Well, I'm very familiar with Moulin Rouge so I could probably chime in without listening to it (or watching it) again. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 26, 2016, 08:30:53 AM
That will work too!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 29, 2016, 08:40:39 AM
Hey everyone!

If ya can, can, can!

Today! (Thursday, Sept. 29th), 10:00 a.m. (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 29, 2016, 11:13:16 AM
Dang, missed it!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 29, 2016, 11:17:03 AM
Forgot all about it. One of these days I'll make it.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 29, 2016, 11:22:03 AM
No worries! You won't miss out if you give the album a spin sometime. :)

Moulin Rouge! Soundtrack
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWKP6q-vroU&list=PLWBWE9F13zAdCTrCw7eiq5TO9RdDyeaF2#no)

very listenable 8)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on September 29, 2016, 11:41:54 AM
Aww darn. I'm very dumb. I need to put these in my calendar so I don't forget them.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on September 29, 2016, 12:24:13 PM
Me too.

Here's something to get the conversation started:

Nature Boy:
As the soundtrack begins, I realize that the film is right there, the frantic pace, belying the slow, dramatic almost James Bond-ish music.  As the music swells, it shocks me how much like an opening to a James Bond film it sounds.

Lady Marmalade:
The biggest problem I will have with the soundtrack is my familiarity with the original songs.  I have a theory that we always give preference to the first version of a song we are familiar with, no matter how silly/poorly done it is.  This is a cool, fresh version, but it makes me want to go back to the 70s.
There’s a lot of cool layers to this version, and a fine mix of different music styles attached to the soul/pop beat.

Because We Can
I am slapped in the face.  I think I’m too tired for this song today.  I wonder if my girls would like this.

Sparkling Diamond
This is, in the movie, a Marilyn tribute, but the big brass seems opposed to the silky, smooth model.  Lots of punching energy.

Rhythm of the Night
Take the original song, add an extra beat, and you got it.

Your Song
We leave the party songs and delve into the sentimental, just as deeply as the beats made us move.  Ewan can’t hold a candle to Elton.  They lose the adorable nature of the song and trade it for the overdramatic.  Not necessarily bad, but it’s a very different song.  The operatic background vocal is distracting.

Children of the Revolution
Hi Bono!
I love the opening guitar.

One Day I’ll Fly Away
The “I want” song of Moulin Rouge.
This soundtrack is all about the hyper dramatic, the powerful build up, the pounding, the stuff that makes your heart swell. 

Elephant Love Medley
When I heard this in the film, I laughed so hard.  It seems like a funny conglomeration of silly love songs, put into a conversation.  It’s a lot of fun in the film, but it’s not something I’d listen to.
Wonderful added line “Love makes us sound like we are fools.”
And of course, it has to dive into the hyper dramatic.

Come What May
I guess this song was originally written for Romeo + Juliet, but didn’t make the cut.  Nice ballad.
Of course, it has to be hyper dramatic by the end.
I think when I say “hyper dramatic”, I mean a “wall of sound” quality.

El Tango de Roxanne
I distinctly remember this scene from the film.  Really well done.
I love the build-up of this song. 
I should learn this song so I can scream with it at the end.  A desperate, haunting scream.  Beautiful.

Complainte de la butte
Sweet song.  Rufus Wainwright.

Hindi Sad Diamonds
Back to the pounding dance music of the beginning, with an Indian twist.  Very Bollywood.
Very melancholy, a powerful sadness.

Diamond Dogs
Beck doing Bowie.  Well, I’ve said that Bowie should only be done by someone who would make it unique, because who could do Bowie better than Bowie?  Well, Beck at least can offer a powerful interpretation.  Not as good as Bowie, but that could be me just hero-worshipping Bowie.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on September 29, 2016, 12:43:14 PM
I was intrigued by Nature Boy; I've never heard it. Gawd knows how that fits in a film!

Bowie the artist challenged his bands. He creates the tension so I was interested how a bunch of street urchins would react to the challenge. He pushes and they bump back; sing over that! Bowie, the street fighter takes them on and still honours the song. I love how MA let guitars feedback and break through the membrane. Like Hendrix communicating from beyond. Are you with us Jimi. In case it isn't obvious I was very enthusiastic about what I heard.  ;D
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on September 29, 2016, 05:00:53 PM
Wait a minute. I introduced a Bowie song to you?! ...Oh, Never mind. You found that version on your own. It wasn't on the playlist that I had. Happy you found it and love the commentary! Here it is for those that want to listen in.

"Nature Boy" David Bowie & Massive Attack (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL6PpneVNoo#no)

Another song that I didn't play, is on the 2nd volume of the soundtrack. Never have I been so grateful to sit through closing credits. I bought the CD just for it.

"Bolero" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgDqz-rzopU&index=22&list=PLEvwJRtn2ggk0DkxfxrZhiEqhQzyYq3UB#no)



oldkid! I thought there was a song missing! You found it. :) I'll post a link.

"Diamond Dogs" by Beck (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59Li5fGx-w#no)

Thanks for going through the album and sharing your thoughts on it.

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"hyper dramatic”, I mean a “wall of sound”

Yeah, this is the album in a snapshot!

If it makes you feel any better "Because We Can" is the song I usually skip over, when listening to the album. I don't find enjoyment in it, so I pass it over.

My favorite song is "El Tango de Roxanne," but that's because it's also one of my favorite moments of cinema, ever (I've mentioned that on the boards a time or two.). Here's all the lyrics you need to memorize (not many at all!).

Why does my heart cry?
Feelings I can't fight!
Roxanne!


My 2nd favorite is "One Day I'll Fly Away." Now there's a song to sing along to. And as you said, the build up is so effective.

My 3rd favorite is "Elephant Love Melody," because I too laughed and each time I hear it or see it now, it still makes me very happy. :)

And then there's the cheesy, wonderful love song, the quiet and yes, sweet "Complainte de la butte" and the show numbers... The album is so full of complex, messy, spectacular :) music, that I am blown away, even on the umpteenth revisit.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: pixote on September 30, 2016, 10:41:10 PM
I'm really sad I missed the Peter Gabriel chat.

pixote
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on October 01, 2016, 12:00:43 AM
I have been working crazy hours
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 01, 2016, 05:21:12 PM
It's never too late to add to the chat. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 05, 2016, 11:10:17 AM
Next up, colonel_mexico's turn...

TONIGHT! (Wednesday) 7 p.m. (CDT)


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Album: The Afterman: Descension
Artist: Coheed and Cambria
Year: 2012


“For several weeks I’ve soaked up all The Afterman: Descension has to offer and subsequently attempted to cultivate the words to use in a review. My best will be done to refrain from gushing over you, but no promises can be made...  Descension opens with an ambient acoustic loop, periodically punched with hopeless wails and crashing percussion. It most certainly drags the listener in and prepares them for the single that follows..."  -- Jacob Tender
Full review here. (http://underthegunreview.net/2013/02/23/review-coheed-and-cambria-the-afterman-descension/)

Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, Oct. 5th
Time: 7:00 p.m. (CDT)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 05, 2016, 11:17:06 AM
I might be able to join this.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on October 05, 2016, 11:38:47 AM
Unfortunately, I'm working at that time.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 05, 2016, 06:54:45 PM
Hey everyone!

And away we go

Now! (Wednesday, 5th), 7:00 p.m. (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 05, 2016, 09:46:22 PM
The Afterman: Descension (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aHJEXeSZ4Q&list=PLaX3xwMymryRGIN_C3-1R6QNzuA5gvP8v#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )

The Colonel has a heavy work and school load right now, so he let me choose an album; one that he introduced me to. I wrote a synopsis a while back, so will intersperse it with the chat.

Reporting back on Coheed and Cambria’s

The Afterman: Descension
(http://i61.tinypic.com/2jff85t.jpg)

With much speculation and condensing and editing way down, here we go… (Bear with me!)


The Story of Sirius and Meri

Sirius, the Afterman, the Cosmonaut, finding himself adrift in “The Keywork,” (an energy source for all the planets) and is brutally buffeted by dead souls who are the source of that energy. Each soul carries the personality of who they were in life and 3 evil ones overtake Sirius’ body in turn. Evagria, the Faithful, a selfless soul, comes in to protect Sirius from the onslaught and begins to heal his wounds. While in her control, Sirius contemplates on his own selfishness and regrets how he neglected his wife, because of his ambitions to explore “The Keywork.” And here the story begins…


Pretelethal: All is quiet in the protective care of Evagria, but her energy begins to wane and the other entities gain power again. Sirius fears all is lost, "I will retreat, no sin confessed… Who will repair this broken heart?"

Sandy: I chose the quote by Jacob Tender, "Descension opens with an ambient acoustic loop, periodically punched with hopeless wails and crashing percussion. It most certainly drags the listener in...", because I too am impacted by this song. Its contrasts of light and dark, quiet and loud are just what the album as a whole pursues. It's a perfect opener.

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Key Entity Extraction V: Sentry the Defiant: But wait! A new entity arrives to take up the fight. Sentry, a soldier who was killed for standing up to his superior officer’s secret evil plans (who is also one of the souls attacking Sirius), takes control of Sirius and in doing so reveals his own story. “And suggestion, suggests that I'm someone you should not respect… Hangman hooded, softly swinging. Don't close the coffin yet…” Sentry is in a continual fight with this other entity and Sirius realizes that in order for Sentry to move on, he needs to let go of his horrible past. Sentry, convinced, rises to a higher plane with Evagria and Sirius. Then he sends Sirius back to his ship, but it has been destroyed so his computer system, called All Mother, which operates inside his space suit, guides him to a space station. Thinking he has only been gone a week, All Mother sets him straight, “Approximate calculation, 547 days.”

Sandy: I echo Vamp Com on youtube, "my heart stopped after hearing this." :)

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The Hard Sell: This song could be on two levels. Sirius coming back, knowing the bleak after world that’s in store for those that hold onto hate, “And too many of you fighting over nothing” and the author, Claudio Sanchez, lamenting the loss of creativity of his two previous albums, “Oh, there's never enough cool for everyone and before you know it you're selling out to be in.” Sirius, who everyone thought had perished, is lauded a hero.

Sandy: Listening to the song this time through, I really hear Sanchez putting himself into the lament. He absolutely has something personal to express in this song.

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Number City: After an awards ceremony, Sirius and Meri are in a devastating car crash where they are both ejected. Sirius is in serious condition, but his wife is much worse. Her heart stopping-- “Release my heart if you, honey, do not let me go.” Then CPR “1, 2, 3, 4, 5…” His heart breaking—“And oh, if you wanted to see, go on and tear it out of me... Oh, this is love from a gurney.”

Sandy: :'(


Junior joined the room
Sandy: Hello :)
Junior: Hello!
Sandy: Do you know this album?
Junior: No clue. It doesn't seem to be my genre...
Sandy: I'll be adding pieces of a write up I did to each song.
Junior: That's cool. I'd like to read that.
Sandy: Do you want to know more about the story the album is telling?
Junior: Sure!
Sandy: I'll give you the link and you can follow along, if that's okay.
Junior: fine by me. Oh, except I can't leave since I'm on my phone
Sandy: okay, I'll feed it to you in chat... (posted the intro here)
Junior: This is already more complex than anything I listen to!
Sandy: I'll not go back and go through all the songs, but will catch you up a little -- Sirius was in space and came back and is in a car accident with his wife...

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Gravity's Union: (Can’t get enough of that crunchy distortion at the beginning!) Reliving the crash, “I flew head first into the light. Weightless, crisscrossing, precise. In a dream or was it life?” Anguish over the cause of his crashing, “This is my love into a ten ton truck.” He just found out that Meri has been in a relationship with someone and is pregnant and then he lost control of the car. Regret over his treatment of her, before his mission, “And I was wrong to let you go. I accept my mistake, but you will never know.” Pleading, “Baby, please remember the better me.” Despair, “Caged, locked in perpetual motion, carving our wounds wide open,” Medical procedures… These are some of the best lyrics in the album:

Every man has a point
Where he breaks or conjoins
Among pressure that floods to complicate
Matters close to the heart
Will define who we are
Do we love? Do we hate?


Junior: I like the digital stuff in this one.
Sandy: This is one of my favorites.
Junior: I like the body imagery.
Sandy: Yes... When I post the chat in the group music thread, I'll have the other parts of the story you missed. 
Junior: Cool. I like that you like story albums so much. It's not how I think about music mostly so it's cool to get your perspective.
Sandy: This type of album is pretty new to me too!
Junior: You can definitely get the chaos of a car crash from the music
Sandy: and the heart monitor

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Away We Go: The music is amazing here. It starts out where Meri’s life is fading away and as it does, she’s transported back to a memory of her and Sirius meeting at the end of a dock on the Jersey Shore, where they embrace.

Believe me, take my word, I'll never break your heart
And away we go
My little Jersey girl

If we could escape this innocence
Trapped between the fears and the words we kept
We'll live out our later years


Junior: I can sense the lighter tone to this
Sandy: this is a happy memory
Junior: Hmm. There's something there about the possibility of escape being eclipse by actions they've already taken that belies the happiness. That's a big if at the start of that lyric, is what I'm saying.
Sandy: It's bittersweet, to say the least

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Iron Fist: As Sirius leaves the hospital, his drive home is full of profound regret for his ambition and temper. Here his anger is directed squarely at himself.
 
The wish you plead and the things you sought
We all think, we all thought
The things I've done, and the world I've seen
Don't measure up to my queen

God damn this cursed iron fist
When I lose control
Oh no
Oh girl, this is what I've become


Junior: Interesting, to continue the body talk, that his fist (anger) is posed as something alien to his body (iron).
Sandy: He's been pretty disconnected up to this point, so what you say is fitting
Junior: But then he says that iron fist is the real him, or at least now it is.
Sandy: This album has such an emotional punch to me and that was before I could figure out what was going on.
Junior: The emotion is definitely there in the singing and music... The bah bahs on that sing at the end confused me
Sandy: There are some disparate sounds, throughout. Especially with Number City

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Dark Side of Me:(My favorite!) Still thinking on his sorry state, he is confronted with Meri’s lover who wishes Serius had never returned or had never expected her to endure all he put her through. Sirius realizes the man is right.

Junior: Isn't it his right to return, though?
Sandy: Yes, but he was missing for 547 days, so they though he was lost for good.
Junior: Sure, that's a long time. And it's hard for her for sure. But it's also hard for him.
Sandy: You are very sympathetic... when in space he came across something called The Keywork. it's an energy source for all the planets and is made up of all the dead souls. He was able to learn that those who could let go of hate and sorrow could rise to the next level, so he goes to help Meri do so.
Junior: Oh ho!
Sandy: Clear as mud? :)
Junior: it's definitely a complex song/album

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In those discouraging days
I always missed the mark
When we were comfort and close
I would neglect to keep

I gave my everything
For all the wrong things
In this cold reality I made
This selfish war machine


Even knowing what he’s done, he still cannot let go.

Oh, this has become hell
How can I share this life
With someone else?
I promise you
There is no weight that can bury us
Beneath the ghosts of all my guilt


So Sirius sets out to find Meri, no matter the risk. All Mother asks the greatest of all questions, “You fought to withdraw from a location which has incited severe quantifiable pain and nearly terminated the mission, nearly terminated your life, yet you desire to set a course back to it. I’m not equipped to comprehend human rationale. Sirius, is this what love is?”  His answer, “Yes.”

Junior: Huh, interesting. I like that impossible returning as a fundamentally human idea
Sandy: Yes, there's no logic in it, but it must be done.
Junior: Right, rational thinking only gets you so far.

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2’s My Favorite 1: (Love the quiet music box ending to this song.) I’m going to quote startstop here, a commenter on the comic book, because he says it so well, “He may not make it back home alive, but after everything that has happened, he does not care. His only desire, his prime mission, is to return to The Keywork to find Meri. He will help her ascend, as he did with Sentry, or he will die trying."
 
Oh this is her
No regrets
I embrace your defense
Took the best
You were my wish
I admit that I will never feel alone
Once I call, oh, you home


Junior" I like this guitar (the higher one)
Sandy: There's some great skill in this band...

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What an ending!

Sandy: whew! we made it. Did you like some of it?
Junior: Yeah, it was interesting to unpack even the back half of it as a story
Sandy: You're a quick study!
Junior: It's kind of my job!
Sandy: well, you're suited to the task
Junior: Thanks! I usually think of songs individually, even on concept albums like this one. I'm just trained to do it that way.
Sandy: Bondo, said something similar... I'm old school, I guess. Side A and Side B, even. :)
Junior: Lol
Sandy:Thanks for sharing the album with me.
Junior: I had fun!

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About the music: As much or more so than the lyrics, the music pushes the story forward and the power and myriad of emotions wash over me. :) It’s that good. The only song that seems to have conflicting moods with the story, is Number City and even that one hits a lot of perfect points. I wonder if the disconnect is intentional, like what shock might feel like. I didn’t look at any of the musical videos, because I think they would have only confused me more!

Such a fantastic experience! Thanks for sharing this music, colonel_mexico. :)

Yes, thanks again, Colonel! It was wonderful to get a chance to revisit this. You have great taste in music. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 08, 2016, 07:28:01 PM
I have been obsessed with this album for the past week or so and now I want to see if I can get any converts.

(http://pitchfork-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/content/JV1.jpg)

Album: 22, A Million
Artist: Bon Iver
Year: 2016


"But 22, A Million sounds only like itself. There are precedents for all of Vernon’s moves deep in the histories of rock‘n’roll and rhythm and blues and electronic music—and, more immediately, on newer records by West, Frank Ocean, James Blake, Chance the Rapper, Francis and the Lights, and Radiohead. But this particular amalgamation is so twitchy and idiosyncratic it feels truly singular. Its searching is bottomless." - Pitchfork

Date: Thursday 8/13
Time: 8:30ish Eastern PM


If the timing doesn't work, please let me know.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 08, 2016, 07:35:35 PM
Morning or evening?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 08, 2016, 07:44:41 PM
Oh, good call. PM. I ain't getting up that early for this!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 08, 2016, 09:25:35 PM
I should be able to make that.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on October 09, 2016, 01:30:35 AM
Unfortunately, I have a class to teach that night.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 09, 2016, 08:44:41 AM
Oooh, great choice, Junior! :)

I'm going to be out of town on Thursday, but I promise to listen to the album this week. If you have a chat, do you want to post it?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 12, 2016, 11:35:24 AM
Hey everyone!

But them the main closest, hark! it gives meaning Mine



Tomorrow Night! (Thursday, Oct. 13th), 7:30 p.m. (CDT)




We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 12, 2016, 11:43:51 AM
I should be there. Got a last-minute invite to someone's birthday party, but I'm banking on his daughter's bedtime making it a short outing.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 13, 2016, 12:42:23 AM
Oooh, great choice, Junior! :)

I'm going to be out of town on Thursday, but I promise to listen to the album this week. If you have a chat, do you want to post it?

I wonder if Friday afternoon would be better for people? Perhaps around 4 Eastern? 3? Or Sunday evening? Seems like a shame to not have a full crew. I know no time would probably work for everybody, but maybe it could be more than just me and Sam (not that I don't enjoy your company, Sam).
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on October 13, 2016, 01:00:51 AM
Sunday would be better for me.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 13, 2016, 01:15:58 AM
Alternately, I could do all of these times and see who shows up to which ones and compile them all here.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 13, 2016, 01:24:51 PM
I may be able to come and listen on Sunday evening.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 13, 2016, 01:54:12 PM
I'm probably out for tonight. Gonna have some stuff to do when I get home.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 13, 2016, 07:26:36 PM
Let's switch it to Sunday evening. 8 Eastern? Earlier? Later?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on October 13, 2016, 11:54:38 PM
8 is good for me.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on October 14, 2016, 01:09:18 AM
This is a plausible date and time for me.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 16, 2016, 05:23:10 PM
Aww dammit, friends. My friend from CT sprung a surprise visit on me this morning and since he's only here for tonight I can't really tell him to screw off for the hour or so it'd take to do this tonight. Sorry to keep doing this, but would tomorrow night work for people? Same bat time, same bat place?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 16, 2016, 06:17:36 PM
No worries! Enjoy your company and if you choose Monday, I'll see if I can come in. I'm not sure of my schedule yet.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on October 16, 2016, 09:33:18 PM
I'm not sure of mine, either, but I will try.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 17, 2016, 06:45:37 PM
Hey everyone!

But them the main closest, hark! it gives meaning Mine



Tomorrow Night! (Thursday, Oct. 13th), 7:30 p.m. (CDT) RIGHT NOW!






We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 17, 2016, 07:52:57 PM
Couldn't figure out how to get in. Just kept kicking me back to the home page.  :-\
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 17, 2016, 07:56:57 PM
Boo! You've gotta log in first and then use the search to find the one called Group Listening Room, at least that's how I do it. I'll post the chat Bondo and I had here and you can chime in if you want.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 17, 2016, 08:14:26 PM
This gave me a greater appreciation for the work Sandy usually does on these posts. Apologies for not living up to her high standards!

Here's the album if you wanna listen/watch along. The beginning is a little messed up trackwise but I don't remember how exactly. Muddle through if you can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISCEilPMNak&list=PLN61gg9VNXPomdZu0UY_wwoDkjSdAB_uE#no

Junior: I like the sampled "It might be over soon" on this one. And my Sax as always
Bondo: One review of this on one of the culture shows talked about how Bon Iver mixes things up each time, which makes me hopeful I wont' continue thinking he's an NPR conspiracy to enjoy boring music. I do like his work with Kanye
Junior: lol. We'll see about the boringness. I certainly don't find it boring, but I do see where that's coming from
Bondo: These are interesting lyrics videos, would be the worst karaoke ever
Junior: I don't particularly know what any of the songs are about, though. They really would. They fit the inscrutability of the music/lyrics quite nicely. all the info is there, but it's obscured.
Bondo: I will say, they have one thing going for them, I'm a fan of falsetto
Junior: I think the deliberate glitches in the music are interesting too. When I first heard about them (before listening) I was unsure about how they would work. they interrupt but don't distract, for me. his falsetto is quite good, yes. heh, CINECAST!ified. Love the beat on this one
Bondo: I should do next listening booth and pick Jill Stein's album
Junior: This one is interesting. It's technically a capella, but also not. lol, that was terrible. so bad
Bondo: Yeah, vocoders give voice a multiplicity that make it seem broader
Junior: indeed. it's also a modified thing, though I don't understand what it is that he did to it to make it different
Bondo: These songs fly by, each kind of comes in, does its thing, and leaves
Junior: it's a short album for sure. it works best in sequence (which got a little CINECAST!ed here) and on repeat
Bondo: It would be good background music
Junior: it's very good writing music, I can attest to that. lol, (bird shit). The build up right there was my shit. cuz shit got CINECAST!ed up, we don't get the video for this one
Bondo: Well, we already listened to the video one of this
Junior: oh really? I was all confuzzled at the beginning. you wanna skip it?
Bondo: *shrugs* Don't really mind
Junior: (this is where it is supposed to come) This one is most like his previous albums, so fans of those that didn't like this one much latched on to it and said stuff about how it was the only good one on this album. what history do you have with BI?
Bondo: Other than the contribution to Runaway, it's mostly hearing him on All Songs Considered, maybe trying one album like 5 years ago
Junior: yeah, Runaway is so good. I tried to get into him on each previous album but it never really stuck. this one did. I still think he's just saying words that sound good, though. not sure what meaning there is anywhere.
Bondo: Heh. maybe his songs are written by manatees pushing balls around
Junior: very possible. He has both laughed and learned about something, that's all I got
Bondo: Neil DeGrasse Tyson: The moon has no water.
Junior: There are numbers all over this album. Probably some numerology BS, but I, again, have no idea what they might actually mean. Thanks, Neil! this one doesn't do a whole ton for me, but I do like it as a nuttier version of the end of Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Bondo: Inscrutable is the word
Junior: yes, on a sliding scale where one end is entirely inscrutable and the other end is only mostly inscrutable. this one sounds like the late 80s/early 90s to me and I love it for that. it's as close as he gets to a power ballad, I think
Bondo: I could almost see this coming from Genesis
Junior: indeed. it's got that kind of sound, though distorted in cool ways
Bondo: And right as I say that it breaks down. Obligatory saxes
Junior: we're entering the home stretch with another favorite. The saxes are king. It's super cool how he makes them sound electronic
Bondo: This is almost his version of Hozier...very soulful
Junior: indeed. he doesn't say much, but what he does say fits the song perfectly. And then this one, the end, doesn't really have anything strange going on
Bondo: Bill Nye: 00000 Million=0
Junior: Thanks Bill! A word about Gnosis: it ain't gonna buy the groceries. Fantastic. the piano really works for me on this one, too. and that, friend, has been the very short 22 A Million by Bon Iver. What'd you think?
Bondo: I can appreciate it passively more than actively, which in my current state is what I want.
Junior: I'm glad it fit your flu-ridden needs
Bondo: I'm sure there are people out there trying to parse it super closely to pull something out. I'm not even sure that is what they intend.
Junior: definitely a solid one to just let sink in while you're occupied elsewhere. It does seem to hold back on nothing a bit. Like I’m keeping something hidden from you, but it's also not actually anything. Luckily I don't particularly need something to grasp on to when it comes to music. The sounds work for me.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 17, 2016, 08:51:15 PM
Ah, I forgot to log in. Alas.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 17, 2016, 11:46:01 PM
This gave me a greater appreciation for the work Sandy usually does on these posts. Apologies for not living up to her high standards!

:))

I have no posting standards!Compiling chat is a little time consuming though, isn't it? I'm just happy you got a chance to discuss the album and post. I'll add in a little reply soon.

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 21, 2016, 09:58:21 AM
22, A Million

I first came at this album through the lyrics, sifting through them for meaning, as I looked for a line to use for the reminder post. Like you guys said in chat, they're inscrutable. At first I was frustrated, because I wanted to solve whatever puzzle the  album was presenting and then I remembered my experience with Talking Heads and exclaimed "They're sound words!" So I took off my puzzling hat, turned on the music and let the words be their own instrument alongside all else that was going on. If I were in chat, I would have been adding a lot of "yeahs" in agreement with what was being said, especially with it being good music to write to. I've put the album on a few times and have enjoyed how it both captures my attention, yet leaves space for other things. Thanks for the innovative and beautiful music, Junior!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on October 21, 2016, 10:25:31 AM
I've only been able to listen to the first four songs, but what I've heard is really unique to me.  It takes the next step in innovation, especially with using lyrics as just part of the sound instead of containing any meaning.  I agree with Bondo, this would take some effort to get to the place of doing any of them in karaoke.  In Rock Band I'd lose with any of these songs.  Everything is just so unexpected.  I feel that I'd have to listen to it ten times just to begin to get a grasp on it.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 21, 2016, 04:36:12 PM
Exactly, oldkid! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 21, 2016, 04:59:17 PM
Next up, Bondo's turn...

(http://i63.tinypic.com/24nhfya.jpg)

Album: Cooleyhighharmony
Artist: Boyz II Men
Year: 1991


“No mere breakthrough, 1991's Cooleyhighharmony was one of the decade's biggest debuts, setting Boyz II Men well on their path to becoming what the RIAA certified the most successful R&B group of all time. Their sound, dubbed "hip-hop doo-wop"... was a shrewd and flexible mix of contemporary and throwback elements. Fully exploiting the members' stunning vocal chops on ballads as a close harmony group, [they were] matched with densely layered upbeat material.”  -- Andy Kellman, AllMusic


Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, Oct. 26th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CDT)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on October 22, 2016, 11:45:23 PM
22, A Million

I first came at this album through the lyrics, sifting through them for meaning, as I looked for a line to use for the reminder post. Like you guys said in chat, they're inscrutable. At first I was frustrated, because I wanted to solve whatever puzzle the  album was presenting and then I remembered my experience with Talking Heads and exclaimed "They're sound words!" So I took off my puzzling hat, turned on the music and let the words be their own instrument alongside all else that was going on. If I were in chat, I would have been adding a lot of "yeahs" in agreement with what was being said, especially with it being good music to write to. I've put the album on a few times and have enjoyed how it both captures my attention, yet leaves space for other things. Thanks for the innovative and beautiful music, Junior!

I've only been able to listen to the first four songs, but what I've heard is really unique to me.  It takes the next step in innovation, especially with using lyrics as just part of the sound instead of containing any meaning.  I agree with Bondo, this would take some effort to get to the place of doing any of them in karaoke.  In Rock Band I'd lose with any of these songs.  Everything is just so unexpected.  I feel that I'd have to listen to it ten times just to begin to get a grasp on it.

You both talk about the lack of lyrics to grasp on to where you would normally want them but I am currently listening to this album at the tail end of a day full of writing and "It might be over soon" sounds more like a promise (enticement?) than a warning at this point. One can only hope. Thanks to the both of you for giving it a shot. It's certainly a different thing.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on October 26, 2016, 07:44:37 AM
Today!

Album: Cooleyhighharmony
Artist: Boyz II Men
Year: 1991


Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, Oct. 26th
Time: 10:00 a.m. (CDT)

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 26, 2016, 08:13:56 AM
Thanks, Bondo!

I can't wait to listen to your album! I'm guessing a few songs will be familiar to me, but looking through the lyrics, there's a lot I'm not familiar with. This is the line I was going to post for the announcement, but couldn't get to my computer yesterday.

"I feel now that it's the time, so won't you please come over here." :)

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on October 26, 2016, 10:00:40 AM
This will, of course, be in the official Group Listening Booth Dubtrack (https://www.dubtrack.fm/join/group-listening-booth) spot.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on October 26, 2016, 04:19:13 PM
Cooleyhighharmony (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKO6XYXioc&list=PL4vFLnbzgVJ61M1c2lY2QRGEicBN8BHqt#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) The songs aren't all in the same order, though. )

Bondo: Good morning!
Sandy: Good morning. :)
Bondo: I guess before we get rolling, one album note. Cooleyhighharmony had an original release and then an extended release later that had alternate versions of many songs and a few extra songs thrown in. I've kind of done a mix and match to take out duplicates
Sandy: That's great! Did you know this album when it came out, or did you find it later?
Bondo: I came to Boyz II Men through their second album II, which came out three years later but quickly snapped up Cooleyhighharmony (the extended edition). I'm not sure which I prefer, but I thought this would be the more interesting pick for here.
Sandy: I like debut albums. This way i know them from the beginning.
Bondo: As a boy with higher than average voice, in the pre-boy band world, this was the main music that was really showing off a higher register and falsetto
Sandy: Funny, how we like music we can sing to. I liked Karen Carpenter, mostly because she was an alto. Easy notes for me to hit too.
Bondo: Yeah, I've had that conversation...talked to a big Queen fan and was like I don't really like Queen because Freddie Mercury is too good and I can't sing it.
Sandy: :)

"Please Don't Go"
Bondo: If I listen to Tegan and Sara because they speak to my current mood of ups and downs in love, Boyz II Men shows that even 20+ years ago, I was a sucker for moody romanticism
Sandy: I don't think moody romanticism ever goes out of style.
Bondo: The lyrics are fairly vague platitudes, it's really the texture of the harmony that pulls it off.
Sandy: I noticed that the lyrics were like that when I was looking at them earlier. Nice and true, but not really digging too deep.
Bondo: I'd like to point out that the hats worn by the members on the album are the 76ers, Chicago White Sox, St. Louis Cardinals and as far as I can tell, a generic NBA hat. For a noted Philly group, it seems odd the diversity.
Sandy: If you were to wear a hat, what team would it be?
Bondo: I don't wear hats and soccer isn't really a hat sport, so Liverpool scarfs aside, I suppose Minnesota Twins, since I actually own that hat, but never wear it.
Sandy: :)
Bondo: I have nice hair
Sandy: ha!

"Lonely Heart"
Bondo: Please Don't Go did not work on her.
Sandy: i guess not!
Bondo: It's weird I bonded with these romantic songs when I was a tween, I had no experience of heartbreak then. Longing perhaps, but not the dissolution of an actual relationship.
Sandy: Do they throw a more powerful punch now?
Bondo: Well, I'm far enough removed from the impactful breakup I've had, so I'm still more affected by yearning songs.
Sandy: I see. It's cool how singing can sound like crying.

"This Is My Heart"
Bondo: Looks like he's moved on, back on the pursuit
Sandy: Do you ever listen to country music?
Bondo: Almost not at all. Not my thing.
Sandy: I haven't listened to much country, but there's a song, "It's Different for Girls."...
Bondo: I'll throw it on at the end to check it out.
Sandy: okay. I'm looking for the lyrics.
It's different for girls when their hearts get broke
They can't tape it back together with a whiskey and Coke
They don't take someone home and act like it's nothing...

The Boyz moved on in "This Is My Heart."
Bondo: Boyz II Men was arguably my favorite group in the mid-90s. At this point it has very little emotional impact to be honest, just like the sound. Tegan and Sara are my modern faves and cut me deep.

"Uhh Ahh"
Bondo: Okay, now we are doing away with all pretense. This song has been rated Not Safe For Work.
Sandy: :)
Bondo: Boyz II Men is definitely music to put on in the background when getting amorous
Sandy: It's cool how singing can sound like sex.
Bondo: First crying, now sex...they convey sonically instead of just lyrically.
Sandy: They do! Can't wait to hear what they come up with next. Another of the sexiest songs I've heard is also by Boyz II Men, "I'll Make Love To You."
Bondo: I'll Make Love To You is an occasional karaoke song for me
Sandy: nice

"In The Still of the Night"
Sandy: Doo Wop!
Bondo: This one is of course a classic, but fits right into the album's story
Sandy: They perfectly capture this one
Bondo: This was not an original album song, whereas the next was, and kind of hits the same note, but with a sadder context

"It's So Hard To Say Goodbye To Yesterday"
Sandy: This was the one that was well know, yes?
Bondo: Yeah, this and the next one are the two biggest hits from the album (not counting another extra song at the end) Love this one so much.
Sandy: Gosh, this one is pretty painful, emotionally. I don't think I've heard it before. I was in a bit of a black hole in the early 90's, I guess.
Bondo: Think this was sung at my HS graduation
Sandy: great choice!
Bondo: I say I think because I was in band so I was at a bunch of graduations to play Pomp and Circumstance, so it could have been another year.
Sandy: Did you get to walk for your own, or were you playing the music? What instrument did you play?
Bondo: We didn't play as seniors ...I played French Horn
Sandy: French Horn! You didn't take the easy road, did you!?

"Motownphilly"
Bondo: This one gets a bit more hip hop rather than R&B/Doo Wop. This is a complete break with the start of the album and signals the second half a bit. This is their origin story.
Sandy: They look so young on that cover. Like they shouldn't know much abut love at that point in their lives. No wonder their songs are all over the place. They're trying to figure it all out.

"Sympin"
Bondo: bit of Bond sampling here
Sandy: yeah. I also like how the last song ended.
Bondo: This song was on the White Men Can't Jump soundtrack (or there was a video for it on the VHS of that film anyway)...watched that movie a lot as a kid
Sandy: I haven't seen it.
Bondo: It is a very sweary film. I watched a lot of things that weren't age-appropriate I guess. To this day, I still have no clue what this song means.
Sandy: I was just trying to figure it out. sympathizing? By the few words around Sympin it could be an early form of twerking. :)
Bondo: Apparently it is begging a woman for sympathy (and probably sex, let's be honest)
Sandy: yep

"Little Things"
Bondo: This is a nice little song, kind of good perspective building...find happiness in what you have
Sandy: This one is my favorite, lyrics wise.
When I wanted someone to give me the world
You accepted me and smiled
And let me know that you were my girl
When I wanted fancy things Gold watches, Diamond rings
You gave me your hand
As only you could understand

Now those are lyrics with some heft to them.
Bondo: The thing I like about this album is it doesn't really have any weak points, really good consistency
Sandy: Consistency and variety, keeps things interesting and fresh.
Bondo: I don't think they ever managed those as well again, even on II which was their mega-hit album

"Your Love"
Sandy: They're very candid here. Did they get less so in their later albums?
Bondo: Not sure about that, just felt less fresh I suppose. Victims of your own success if you sound too much like yourself. Probably not fair.
Sandy: Are they still together?
Bondo: I believe one of them passed away, but the others actually just toured in Moorhead, MN this year. I've never seen them live
Sandy... was that a french horn? Probably a trombone.

"End of the Road"
Bondo: Fitting song for the end of an album. Another of their big hits, though curious was a single and then added to the extended release. Apparently was never on a proper album
I wasn't paying close enough attention, was researching this song.
Sandy: there was a slide. So Trombone it must be
Bondo: This is definitely the song of young, immature men. It's like Twilight, just blazes with an irrational passion of those who haven't learned to temper their feelings
Sandy: Yes, like their love is all encompassing, but the girls aren't on the same page at all. I'm not used to the guy singing about loving the girl in spite of her infidelity. Usually it's the other way around.
Bondo: Yeah, that bit is pretty interesting...almost an abuse victim rationalization
Sandy:"Oh My Man I Love Him So", "Can't Help Lovin' That Man", "As Long As He Needs Me." Those are the songs I'm used to hearing from women, this type of emotion.


Bondo: So that's Cooleyhighharmony
Sandy: Loved it!T hanks so much for sharing the album. They were all new songs to me.
Bondo: Do you have a favorite song?
Sandy: Lyric wise, Little Things, but I'd have to listen again for an over all song. Which one is yours?
Bondo: It's So Hard To Say Goodbye To Yesterday is a tough one to top, though I'm most apt to sing In The Still of the Night
Sandy: That first one does get to a soul sad level, for sure. This album is a good catalyst for looking at these heavy emotions . In The Still Of The Night is very singable!



"It's Different for Girls" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXeL3CHdLYk#no)   by Dierks Bentley and ft. Elle King

Sandy: You tell me if this song is true or not. I can only go from a girl's point of view.
Bondo: I probably can only go from the girl's point of view too tbh, I don't get men... Good song though.
Sandy: :) Well, I don't get girls for the most part, so I guess we are evolved, maybe? (girls can be so catty, bossy, entitled, superficial... I'm lost) The way the Boyz moved on so quickly from deep heart ache to loving another made me think of this song.
Bondo: Well, I can see both ways, because I'm perpetually infatuated, I always have someone else to focus on, but I also never forget or truly get over
Sandy: Yes, you are evolved.
Bondo: I don't think I've ever stopped loving someone I had feelings for. They get complicated or moved into a storage unit, but the feelings are there.
Sandy: storage unit. Now that's a guy thing! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on October 31, 2016, 06:31:20 PM
This week, the Group Listening Booth presents:

The Innocent Age
by Dan Fogelberg.


Many people know of the hits on this album, including Same Old Lang Syne and Run for the Roses.  But not many know that these songs are a part of an ambitious double-album Song Cycle, centered around the theme of lost innocence.   This album has a number of different sounds from the late 70s/early 80s and is performed by one of the great singer/songwriters of his time.

Check it out with me at one of two times:

Wednesday evening, at 9pm Central time (7pm PST) or Thursday morning at 10:30am Central time (8:30 PST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 02, 2016, 06:06:09 PM
Wonderful, oldkid!


Hey everyone!

There's a ring around the moon tonight
And a chill in the air
And a fire in the stars that
hang - so near; so near.



Tonight! (Wednesday, Nov. 2nd), 9:00 p.m. (CDT)



We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 02, 2016, 09:31:29 PM
Starting now.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 03, 2016, 10:30:36 AM
Aaaaaand.... starting now.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 04, 2016, 04:13:18 PM
The Innocent Age (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsVb6DIWYpo#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )
 

A compilation of Wed. and Thur.'s Group Listening Booth sessions.

oldkid: So you've heard this album before? The Innocent Age?
Sandy: Yes, I think I had a cassette of it, or were there two?
oldkid: Let me give an introduction, okay?
Sandy: Please!
oldkid: The Innocent Age is a Song Cycle, it's actually in the title, which is a set of songs based on a theme. There's no single story, but a basic concept: innocence and it's loss. And he explores the idea from a lot of different angles, in two parts. Part I is Innocence and Part II is Experience, or Adulthood. It also has an introduction and a conclusion. It's a pretty complex piece of art. Which isn't bad for a guy following the footsteps of the Eagles. So, ready to begin?
Sandy: yes. How did you come across this album?
oldkid: I found it in the library when I was 14, just after it came out. I knew a song on it, so decided to give it a spin. Never stopped listening to it since.
Sandy: nice

"Nexus"
oldkid: The introduction to the matter.
oldkid: There's so much art in this song, (except for one part).
Sandy: gosh, this floods me with a memory of long ago
oldkid: You ever think about what he meant by the beam of light? ...We could fall on either side
Sandy: I used to listen to this alone at night. I was a solitary child
oldkid: I used to think that it was talking about all of humanity, caught in the dance of life, finding truth in the final day. Now I wonder if it isn't more personal than that-- each one of us chooses the side of light we land on, but we end up in the same place, in the nexus of the tornado.
Sandy: you were a deep thinker even then
oldkid: The part I don't like is the chorus imitating the African chant. Listening to music like this made me a deep thinker. Oh, and reading philosophy, I suppose. "In a spiral never ending are we drawn toward the Source"
Great guitar behind the whole thing.
Sandy: and drums
oldkid: Yeah.
Sandy: "blessed the traveler who journeys the length of the light"

"The Innocent Age"
oldkid: The theme of the matter.
oldkid: You can hear every one of the 12 strings humming here.
Sandy: my sister in law had a 12 string. She played beautifully
oldkid: I love 12 string. "Storybook endings never appear, they're just someone's way of leading us here." I guess the whole album plays with the idea that our ideals of youth won't happen. "Waiting for wisdom to open the cage we forged in the fire of the innocent age" I love the "la la las" here, and how the woodwind imitates it
Sandy: I'm a little stunned at how this is transporting me back. pure emotion. much of the lyrics were lost to me back then and I didn't even question it. I didn't know I was hearing impaired then. I just didn't pick up on so many of them. Music was more about certain lines and the music. It's like I'm re-aquainting myself with the songs on a different level. more complete.
oldkid: What was your opinion of the album, back in the day? We are dating ourselves, but it was released in 1981
Sandy: i listened to it a lot. It brought me feelings. took me somewhere else, away from my day
oldkid: Yes.

"The Sand and the Foam"
Sandy: oh, this song
oldkid: "Pressed in the pages of some aging text lies an old lily crumbling" I've always been so melancholy. I was only 14 or 15, but I would feel sad at my lost childhood listening to this album. Silly boy.
Sandy: not silly. reflective
oldkid: "Time stills the singing a child holds so dear and I'm just beginning to hear." The music is so good. The strings are wonderful in this song. And the guitar plays around the swelling melody.
Sandy: "Dew on the grass, like the tears the night wept Gone long before, the day wears old" beautiful.

"In the Passage"
oldkid: Note how it begins so quietly, respecting the previous song, allowing us to continue reflecting. Rock comes in a bit later. His vocal is different. Stronger, no pathos. Almost anger. "There's a time when the traveler is fated to find that insight has turned his gaze behind." Every thoughtful person must consider both their end and their beginning.
Sandy: I'm learning to look backward, without fear or regret. I used to mostly think forward, but there's much to learn from back then.
oldkid: That's good. It takes strength to do that. "I pray that our failing vision clears"-- um, nope. Sorry, Dan...
Sandy: I pray for clear vision. often. I only get glimpses of clarity though. bummer
oldkid: He says "In the fast fading century... I pray that OUR failing vision clears" He put a time limit. And is talking about a large group of us. Didn't happen.
Sandy: ah, got it. I tend to take songs personally. :)
oldkid: That's good. Means they're working.
Sandy: they are!
oldkid: Unless it's something like The Black Parade album
Sandy: I still can pull from that one!
oldkid: I suppose.
Sandy: I was taught/conditioned to tamp down negative emotions. I need to explore the dark parts of myself too
oldkid: Tamp down? Like "don't feel this" or just hide it?
Sandy: Like I wasn't worthy enough or praying well enough, if I was sad. Faulty teaching, faulty learning...
oldkid: "I cast my fate with the wife of Lot and turn my gaze around." Sneaky Bible reference.
Sandy: :)   
oldkid: It used to bother me that he turned Lot's wife into a heroine. Now I see how smart that was.
Sandy: tell me more
oldkid: Lot's wife is a metaphor for us. Perhaps it isn't good for us to look back with regret. It harms us. But he's speaking of looking back with strength, to find knowledge, to understand ourselves. That is power.
Sandy: yes, I see, and wisdom to be found
oldkid: Exactly. And that's really what this album plays back and forth with-- being lowered down with regret or seeking wisdom.
Sandy: "rushing headlong through the crashing of the days" that is some line!
oldkid: Absolutely.

"Lost in the Sun"
This song, plus the album Point of Know Return fueled my study of philosophy. "Through the eyes of someone else, I look into my face and can't believe the sorrow that I see."
Sandy: wow. I'm lost in those words. Sometimes it's hard for me to look people in the eye, because i see their pain, but that line takes it so much further.
oldkid: Is someone else's sorrow really our own?
Sandy: ooh, good insight. it's hard for me not to feel it. it feels like an honor to be aware of it, so I let the sorrow in usually
oldkid: I have to be careful, because I can glut on sorrow.
Sandy: yours or others?
oldkid: Yes, mostly others. But I can get caught up in self-pity as well.
Sandy: yes, I think I understand both. It is a too easy place to be. I have to keep busy to not go there and I have to protect myself from too much input of others emotions. I'm like a pendulum, I feel too much ..... I don't care
oldkid: I struggle with other's sorrow. I know I can be rendered incapable with too much identification, but how can I really understand another unless I identify with their pain?
Sandy: i don't think we can. We have to experience in some way, to truly empathize... who signed us up for this!
oldkid: Rolling Stone Magazine in their 500 Greatest albums of all time said that this album is one of the most underrated concept albums.
Sandy: I believe it.
oldkid: "I always knew the final truths lay just beneath the lies, but I can't believe it'd take this long to find."

"Run for the Roses"
oldkid: Story #1-- How generations create an innocent masterpiece.
Sandy: This song got so much play on the radio, that I started to tune it out. But it is really quite nice.
oldkid: I know. Me too. It feels dull, I heard it so much. But it's a good time for me to pause from really focusing on the album.
Sandy: a breather.

"Leader of the Band"
oldkid: Story song #2-- Dan's honorarium to his father, a composer and leader of marching bands.
Sandy: wonderful. This is such a sweet tribute. (Here are Fogelberg's words about his father and this song (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDByv7HoAyg#no))
oldkid: The USC marching band plays a rendering of a song that Dan's father composed at the end of this song.
Sandy: I didn't know that! My brother is a band director and now my daughter is too.
oldkid: It's cool to have family in music.
Sandy: I wish I were skilled musically
oldkid: Me too.
Sandy: I'm a good audience and a good singer around a campfire
oldkid: I love listening!
Sandy: We are good at that!
oldkid: I'm a good appreciater
Sandy: :)
oldkid: "I thank you for the freedom when it came my time to go." A great gift to children.
Sandy: "I thank you for the kindness and the times when you got tough"  hmm, I got tough today. I'm still reeling a bit from the confrontation.
oldkid: How old is the kid you got into the confrontation with?
Sandy: 17
oldkid: Ah. I do that too. And then regret. They are their own person. I'm trying to learn to back off, when I can.
Sandy: I like peace. My kids forget that I also can be stubborn, if my values are crossed...
oldkid: I tend to ignore this song as well, but it's really quite wonderfully sentimental
Sandy: I wish I had these attributes attributed to me.
oldkid: You have different attributes. Can't have them all.
Sandy: i mustn't be selfish.
oldkid: Really. Need to share.
Sandy: haha
oldkid: "Look, you can have compassion, and I'll have hard work, okay?
Sandy: I'm afraid you've already got compassion! I'll take... stories of the road. Wait! that's yours too! Um...
oldkid: You have stories too. We can share, it's okay.
Sandy: okay, we'll share stories. I like that. :) I'll take discipline and a thundering velvet hand.
oldkid: Thundering velvet hand... beautiful

"Same Old Lang Syne"
oldkid: Story #3-- Lost dreams of youth.
oldkid: This song makes me cry each time. And I don't even drink beer!
Sandy: ha! The sand and foam song got me every time.
oldkid: It's tough when this song is playing in a store and then you hear the last line and just cry in the middle of the aisle.
Sandy hands out tissues
Sandy: I can't imagine having a lover from the past and meeting that person later. It would be so strange
oldkid: I know, right? "In those eyes I wasn't sure if I saw doubt or gratitude", "Reliving an old eloquence"
Sandy: the song has a bigger punch as an adult, than when I was young
oldkid: "The snow turned into rain."-- why does that line make me cry? Why? Sax solo! If only Junior were here!
Sandy: he is missing out! Does the song bring you to your own stories, or is it pure empathy for the people in the song?
oldkid: Empathy. I've never had that experience. But the music helps me feel it.
Sandy: same.
oldkid: ...This reminds me of when I was growing up when my family would take all the cassettes we had, put them on a long table and pick the music we would listen to over the next few months. We called it "tape wars"
Sandy: wow, I love that. On road trips my dad chose the songs.
oldkid: It was funny. Then, when I went to college, we had a final "tape wars"
Sandy: I got very tired of Eagles and Anne Murray
oldkid: Oh, well this was when we all had our own cars.
Sandy: and you got to keep the ones you wanted?
oldkid: After the final tape wars
Sandy: So you didn't share the music all month you got to keep your cassette for yourself for the month! haha! what was the hottest commodity?
oldkid: Yep. Hot August Night by Neil Diamond
Sandy: Oh!!! Yeah I heard that a lot too! Diamond was the third of my dad's trifecta.
oldkid: My dad played that a lot for us as kids.
Sandy: my dad played it reverently
oldkid: My dad just played it loud. And we sang with it. Loud.
Sandy: I would have liked to hear that
oldkid: You wouldn't want to have heard it. Most of my family doesn't sing well. Just enthusiastically.
Sandy: it doesn't matter. I'm all about enthusiasm!
oldkid: Well, it sure bothered my mom
Sandy: haha. Is she still alive?
oldkid: Yep.
Sandy: I bet she'd give anything to have that moment again
oldkid: Perhaps different moments. We all got together for my parents 50th anniversary. They loved that.
Sandy: i'm happy to hear that

"Stolen Moments"
oldkid: Part II: Experience 
oldkid: In the first section there was a lot of songs about the importance of looking back. In this section, there's a lot of regret and the difficulties of adulthood. Nice country pop here.
Sandy: this is a song too, that I don't know personally. It seems sad to have so much love there, but not being able to reach it, or find it again.
oldkid: Love that never happened.
Sandy: is that what it is? or love that gets buried?
oldkid: good point

"The Lion's Share"
oldkid: This song is filled with powerful lines. Each pair is an amazing metaphor. "Homespun, the prodigal son comes begging your humble pardon, but no one rises to hear his prayer." My wife just came through. She says, "Why are listening to this? You'll be so depressed." I said, "It makes me cry. But I'm so happy!"
Sandy: that's right!
oldkid: I love this album
Sandy: tell her hi for me, k?
oldkid: When I see her next. She stepped out.
Sandy: she's on the move!
oldkid: Love the guitar at the end here. And dueling guitar/sax
Sandy: they each want the lion's share!
oldkid: "Lost lamb, asking the lion's share"
Sandy: was that a song about baseball? what was the metaphor of grand slam for?
oldkid: I'm not sure.
Sandy: me neither...
oldkid: ...I was looking at the lyrics again. The "grand slam" is the moment in which you grab for your dreams
Sandy: that makes sense
oldkid: But the song is about not achieving what you want. Not failure, exactly, but always wanting more and so feeling like a failure
Sandy: i see. Did you have big lofty dreams when you were young?
oldkid: I wanted to be a missionary--like life-long. I wanted to help the poor
Sandy: then you are living your dream
oldkid: And I wanted to be a singer in a rock band.
Sandy: ha!
oldkid: Two out of three not bad
Sandy: there's still time!
oldkid: Oh, and I wanted to be a full time writer. Still want that.
Sandy: part time now

"Only the Heart May Know"
oldkid: which isn't an answer to the question above.
Sandy: :) it could be...   i played this one a lot
oldkid: No wonder. Emmylou Harris' voice is so beautiful and the call/response is wonderful
Sandy: I didn't know Ms. Harris then and I didn't realize it was her, til you just said so.
oldkid: I should listen to more of her. Too country for me, back in the 80s. But I'm ready now.
Sandy: I remember liking the harmony and singing along with it.
oldkid: "At picture shows where nobody goes."
Sandy: I'd go
oldkid: The picture shows where nobody goes is still filled with filmspotters.
Sandy: Right! We're not going anywhere!
oldkid: Don Henley and Glenn Frey sings backup on this album.
Sandy: I didn't know that!
oldkid: I would always tell my friends growing up that I liked any music except country. But the more I listen to this album, always one of my favorites, the more I realize that it's got a lot of country.
Sandy: it does. I never really listened to country, except for John Denver, but a friend of mine, two years ago got me to listen to some and now I spend more time with it. There's a lot I don't like, but the stuff I do, is interesting and earthy
oldkid: I really like folk and bluegrass. Mainstream country doesn't do much for me. But my wife got me hooked on Hank Williams Sr.
Sandy: I'm trying to be open to different music. That breathing life music thread was really good for me.
oldkid: Wow, yeah, it really explored a lot of corners. Sad to see it gone.
Sandy: Yeah, it was a bit of a blow, but I think we used it fully and satisfactorily. Now we do group listening!
 
"The Reach"
oldkid: Story Song #4-- Fathers and sons through generations. It took me years to really appreciate this song. The poetic description is captivating. Yeah, this one makes me cry, too. And I love singing the chorus. "it's father and son, it's the way it's been done since the old days." I can see this picture: the coast of Maine and the young men and old men going out to the Reach and Dan is saying, "I need to remember this because there is a lesson for me here."
Sandy: It's a sister, or I should say brother song to The Downeaster 'Alexa' (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVlDSzbrH5M#no)
oldkid: I don't know that one
Sandy: Billy Joel
oldkid: Billy! And I don't know it? Amazing!
Sandy: It's one you've probably heard. fishermen. hard work.
oldkid: I love the guitar at the end, here, going down the beach.
Sandy: Did you ever see Captains Courageous
oldkid: Yes. Loved it.
Sandy: The reach had things to teach Harvey to the depths of his soul too

"Airshire Lament/ Times Like These"
oldkid: The pause between these two songs is perfect.
Sandy: like a chance to breathe
oldkid: Before the storm... Times Like These was also on the soundtrack Urban Cowboy. Not very country. For the time, anyway
Sandy: did you see the movie?
oldkid: Never did
Sandy: me neither
oldkid: I don't feel we missed much
Sandy: haha... Oh! I forgot to say how much I enjoyed your movie club month!
oldkid: "Nothing before me, nothing behind, thoughtlessly chasing the thunder" = adult life. I loved the month too. So happy to have so many people participating!
Sandy: I'm so glad I picked the movies i did!
oldkid: I can't believe that you're watching Aliens this month!
Sandy: I saw aliens when it came out!
oldkid: So did I. Huh. Really intense
Sandy: I had a pretty big crush on Hicks. :)


"Hard to Say"
oldkid: Tone it down to some adult soft rock. "You face the future with a weary past, the dreams you banked upon are fading fast" I wonder if this album is also a recognition that we all keep changing. That we can't stay in the same place... More sax!
Sandy: there's a lot here. "It's hard to walk away from love It may never come again" This seems like such a universal fear.
oldkid: Is that the greatest fear of walking away? Or the regret of losing what we had? What if it comes again and we missed it? And the hurt we cause? I've only had one relationship in my life, so I don't know.
Sandy: I don't know either. I think not wanting to hurt others is a big factor in keeping on the same path
oldkid: I wonder about people who give up on relationships or jobs or whatever. How do they know it's time? Is there a breaking point? Is it sudden or gradual?
Sandy: I too wonder about that

"Empty Cages"
Sandy: what do you make of this song?
oldkid: It's about following our dreams, only to fail. Long before we come of age We yearn to leave the garden And wrestle with a myth The hand of fate has faintly drawn But somewhere on the way We feel our hearts begin to harden And see just as we learn to turn around The garden is gone
Sandy: There is much in these songs about the rat race.
oldkid: I think this passage gets at the crux of the album. We seek our dreams, so we leave our innocence. Then we realize our innocence is what we really want, but it's too late by then. This song is angry at the futility of our lives, as if we were betrayed by our own souls.
Sandy: I'm getting to the point where I prefer the pain of knowing, over the lack of knowing. How about you?
oldkid: I don't think I have a choice in the matter.
Sandy: what has been seen can not be unseen?
oldkid: So I guess I'll accept what I have. Besides, I'm always seeking knowledge and experience, so I guess I make that choice daily. The "evermore" of this song fades really well into "ghosts" the final song.

Ghosts
oldkid: The conclusion of the matter
Sandy: hmm, great transitions. Ghosts is probably my favorite
oldkid: This is the most haunting, beautiful song... Possibly ever.
Sandy: I don't think that is hyperbole...  chills. This song really gets to me, right from the get go
oldkid: I know. I almost said, "Let's have a moment of silence" This is really the best song on the album
Sandy: I'll give you a moment of silence.
oldkid: "Death is there to keep us honest and to constantly remind us we are free."
Sandy: I tried not to end on this song if I was going to go to sleep. I had some fears of ghosts when I was young, even though it was so beautiful
oldkid: I knew already that ghosts were a metaphor for our past. The buildup of this song to the guitar solo is magnificent.
Sandy: gorgeous. i could understand metaphor, but was too skittish to care!
oldkid: And the final notes of the guitar stretch out and we get the creepy piano again. Ah. The song cycle begins with our pre-life and ends with memories at our death. The choral group is perfect here.
An almost perfect song.
Sandy: again, this song is so much more relevant as an adult.
oldkid: The album was written to the adult experience.
Sandy: what long past did I have, as a youth?
oldkid: "The past comes stealing like some forbidden sweet" The past is a candy we would steal when we were a kid
Sandy: I like that
oldkid: I wonder if the sorrows we talked about are some of this sweet. Do you ever wish you could change things of the past? Spend time regretting?
Sandy: I do wish I could change the things of my past. But I'm learning not to have regret... I find myself looking back on things with a differently than what I was feeling at the moment.
oldkid: That's probably good.
Sandy: I mean, with little kids, it's so exhausting, but looking back on pictures, sometimes all I still remember from a moment is the sweet.
oldkid: My wife remembers little of the time when our children were little. I remember too much.
Sandy: Other moments, I remember the pain.
oldkid: I remember her pain. I don't think she remembers much of that.


oldkid: So, favorite song?
Sandy: Ghosts. You too?
oldkid: Ghosts. And Times Like These. And The Innocent Age
Sandy: The Sands one triggered something. I'll add it to my favorites. Do you wish you could change things in your past?
oldkid: Funny how the album is about the past and for us the album is our past
Sandy: meta!
oldkid: I guess I wish I could, but I'm glad I can't. Can't learn what I needed to learn without my errors.
Sandy: Good insight.
oldkid: So glad we got to hang out with this one!
Sandy: Thank you so much for the album and the chat! I loved it a lot.
oldkid: Thanks for joining me! TTFN!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on November 04, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
For anyone young and not English;

TTFN means ta ta for now
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 04, 2016, 11:20:33 PM
Wow, Sandy, that's some epic editing of our conversation!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 05, 2016, 05:00:58 PM
Thanks. Hopefully even you and I can't tell what words came from which day. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 12, 2016, 03:34:40 PM
Next up, St. Martin the Bald's turn...

(http://i65.tinypic.com/xkn2mu.jpg)

Album: Horses
Artist: Patti Smith
Year: 1975


“Patti Smith is the hottest rock poet to emerge from the fecund wastes of New Jersey since Bruce Springsteen. But Smith is not like Springsteen or anybody else at all. Springsteen is a rocker; Smith is a chanting rock & roll poet. Springsteen's followers thought he was a poet too, at first, because of the apparent primacy of his speedy strings of street-life images. But Springsteen himself quickly set matters right by building up his band and revealing his words to have been what words have been for most music all along — conceptual frames on which composers hang their art.

For Smith, the words generate everything else. Her "singing" voice has an eerie allure and her "tunes" conform dimly to the primitive patterns of Fifties rock. But her music would be unthinkable without her words and her way of articulating them — and that remains true even if they are occasionally submerged in sound. Patti Smith is a rock & roll shaman and she needs music as shamans have always needed the cadence of their chanting.”  --  John Rockwell, 1975

Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, Nov. 15th
Time: 10:30 a.m. (CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 12, 2016, 03:40:23 PM
OOOOoooooo....

VERY interested.  I will show up late.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 12, 2016, 03:42:34 PM
I can bump forward the time! What works best for you, oldkid?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 12, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
10:30... even 10:15. 
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 12, 2016, 03:51:21 PM
We'll make it 10:30, to give you a little extra time. I'll go change the announcement and I'm really looking forward to this album too!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 14, 2016, 05:53:37 PM
Hey everyone!

[We're] gonna run through the fields dreaming in animation.



Tomorrow Morning! (Tuesday, Nov. 15th), 10:30 a.m. (CST)




We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: pixote on November 14, 2016, 06:54:25 PM
My generation
We had dreams
We had dreams, man
And we f—cking created George Bush

New generations
Rise up
Rise up
Take the streets
Make change
The world is yours
Change it
Change it




Bonus tracks FTW!

pixote
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 15, 2016, 10:36:06 AM
 :D

Did you write that, pixote?



We'll be starting Patti Smith's album in just a few...
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: pixote on November 15, 2016, 12:43:46 PM
Did you write that, pixote?

No, it's from 4:15 into this live recording (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY2KiMXWqj0#no) of "My Generation". :)

pixote
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 15, 2016, 10:16:03 PM
 :D

Thanks for the link!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 15, 2016, 11:12:46 PM
Horses (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmXcIjjdgX4#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )
 

Sandy: I know nothing about this album
Junior: me neither!
oldkid: I have heard her name and know the name of the album, but I've never gotten around to listening to it. I'm really excited to hear it.
Sandy: Oh, I think she likes women. That's all I could figure out from looking through some lyrics.
Junior: lol

"Gloria"
Junior: hoboy, that's an opening lyric for you
oldkid: Yeah, "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine". This is a version of Them's song Gloria, with Van Morrison. But it's remarkably different. In lyrics and sound. More punk. Although the 60s sound still seeps through... Okay, now it's full on Van Morisson. What a transformation!
Junior: i'm not usually a big punk person, but I'm liking this so far. I've been getting into angrier music recently... oh yeah, I know this song now
oldkid: I wonder why
Junior: WHO KNOWS!?!?!?!
Sandy: Martin wanted to be here but has to work. He wrote down a few things for us.
Junior: boo! work is the worst
Sandy: :) He says his favorite songs are Gloria, Free Money and Redondo Beach
oldkid: Gloria is amazing.
Junior: cool, I definitely like this version a lot
oldkid: It is a musical tour de force
Sandy: These are Marty's words... "It's a bit challenging in places and the song structure isn't traditional."
oldkid: But it is full on rock.
Sandy: "Also they had just added a drummer before they recorded this so until then, their rhythm section had been limited. Finally - pay attention to guitarist Ivan Kral - I believe his work definitely contributed to the unique sound of this album." Okay that's all from him, except to say, "Wish I could share the experience with you guys."
oldkid: Too bad Martin couldn't be here. I'd appreciate his input.

"Redondo Beach"
oldkid: Kind of reggae
Junior: a definite reggae vibe. "down by the ocean it was so dismal" aka not your typical beach song, though it does have some of the musical elements
oldkid: A depressing B52s song

"Birdland"
oldkid: Kind of a stream of consciousness story
Junior: partially thanks to the classes I took this semester and the way my friends have reacted to the election, I've been getting very into poetry recently as well. I feel like I should be looking up the lyrics because she's often hard to understand...
oldkid: Sandy: yeah, I'm trying to follow along... "This song is based on a book called "A Book of Dreams" which is the memoirs of Peter Reich. Peter was the son of Wilhelm Reich, a controversial psychiatrist and inventor who, in 1947, was imprisoned for his work and a year later died of heart failure while serving his sentence. The moment described in the song comes after the death of Peter's father, and some of the elements are actually in the book; such as Peter seeing his father come down in a UFO... this is not the only song based on "A Book of Dreams" Kate Bush also wrote a song about Peter and Wilhelm Reich called "Cloudbusting."  -- Gary Novikoff
Junior: for me, listening to a new album is usually a process of taking in the sounds and some larger ideas and some moments and if those connect with me I'll listen to it again and again and start to look into it more and figure out what's actually going on.
oldkid: It sounds like the boy was abused in some way and then he was left alone to figure it out
Junior: so like I get the feel of this song and I like it but I couldn't tell you a single thing about it from my own understanding
Sandy: oldkid, you do something similar, yes?
oldkid: I try to. But I have to commit to an album to really be able to do that. I'll do it for one or two albums a year.
Junior: yeah, it takes some time and effort. Also, mostly I listen to things that are a little easier to get at than this. so the process doesn't take as long and kind of just happens on its own rather than with deliberate effort
oldkid: She reminds me so much of Bowie. Taking various influences, streamlining them and mixing it with rock n roll and drama
Junior: Love the bowie comparison. makes sense to me

"Free Money"
oldkid: Most songs go over the same ideas over and over. But she takes an idea and then runs with it so we have no idea where the song is going to go.
Junior: I was not expecting this musically from the piano opening
oldkid: She starts with the dream of a lottery ticket and then she goes to Arabia and then to snow... She allows her imagination to just go, without feeling that she has to take her audience with her
Sandy: we should all be more like that

"Kimberly"
Junior: that's something I can get behind. I'll go with her because it sounds good. say whatever you oldkid: And because I don't know where she's going. My curiosity gets the best of me.
Junior: yeah, that too! this one might be my favorite so far
oldkid: She seems to do the same musically. She seems to wander, but it is planned. Her band stays with her in every shift.
Junior: love the electric organ.
oldkid: Very 60s. Very garage band. Kinda like the Doors.
Junior: her rhythm structure is so out there and I love it
oldkid: Or Van Morrison again. I wonder if that has something to do with what Martin was saying about the drummer just coming in. That she didn't have the discipline of limiting herself to one rhythm
Sandy: seduction as a a type of punk lullaby
Junior: I've been reading a lot of very structured poetry and a lot of freer stuff and it's fascinating to see how the form informs the meaning.
oldkid: I LIKE IT!
Junior: I was thinking more about the meter, I guess, of the words, but yeah, actually rhythm, too

"Break It Up"
oldkid: Hear the Bowie?
Junior: for sure
oldkid: So the album as a whole feels like someone searching for herself after all normal avenues are closed. These last couple songs feel triumphant.
Junior: i like that interpretation
oldkid: I'll have another one tomorrow.
Sandy: :)
oldkid: Or in five minutes
Sandy: I'm reading that this is about a dream she had of Jim Morrison.
oldkid: Wow, yeah. Much of her stuff is clearly influenced by Morrison's more poetic stuff like The End
Junior: but I don't hate her like I do The Doors. why?
oldkid: Because they feel pretentious. She feels painfully honest... Okay, that's what I feel.
Junior: She's also having more fun, I think

"Land"
oldkid: Again, she explores musically all over the place. Who knows where she'll go next?
Junior: oh, this is nifty. the dual voices
oldkid: Great. I love the beat of the guitar. I see that she is using The Land of a Thousand Dances in this song. She loves the 60's pop
Junior: as well she should
oldkid: Of course. This album is a keeper.
Junior: for sure. I'll be listening to this all throughout the day
oldkid: I think it would drive my daughter crazy. But I'll catch up to it. I'll need to spend a lot of time figuring it out. But it seems worth it.
Sandy: what about it would drive her crazy? Does she need more structure?
oldkid: Yes. My autistic children need more predictability.
Sandy: this is the height of ambiguous

"Elegie"
oldkid: "Memory is like cream in my bones"
Sandy: this one is very relatable. It's like she decided to let us back in for a minute. Let us breathe.
oldkid: I was wondering when she would come down. This album feels like the cycle of human experience: Dissatisfaction, searhing, euphoria, disatisfaction
Wait..
Is that it?
Wait...
No way.
Sandy: Sorry. That's all.
Junior: I was wondering if she'd do a full slow song and I guess it comes at the end, appropriately
oldkid: Wow. What a ride. coming to an abrupt stop
Sandy: I need a cigarette
oldkid: LOL
Junior: heh
Sandy: I'm rendered a little speechless
oldkid: So... want to do it again?
Sandy: :)
oldkid: I wish I had time
Sandy: it's on youtube for your enjoyment
Junior: I'm with oldkid, wish I could. I'll be listening as I go into school, though
Sandy: it's empowering, the idea of creating just what you want and let others follow or not, whatever.
Junior: Yeah, it's great for getting the creative juices flowing.
oldkid: Still singing "Gloria"
Sandy: :)



side note
Junior: http://genius.com/Run-the-jewels-2100-lyrics
oldkid: I've been thinking about the African American experience through music. Blues is just desperation, the songs you sing because you don't have energy to sing anything else. Jazz is the desperate search for freedom through music when you can't find it anywhere else. 60's soul is hope and happiness. Rap is the final release of anger they felt, but couldn't express until now
Junior: yeah, it's a really interesting progression and it seems like it's the most American music there is. like, England picked up on the soul stuff a bit, but mostly this stuff happens in the US
Sandy: What a timely release, Junior.
Junior: they put it out ahead of schedule because they felt like people need it, Sandy. I sure did.
Sandy: "I am still a kid in my heart"
oldkid: The black experience in America has been the most creative musical force in the world over the last century.
indeed, and I am glad for it. went through a lot of shit, still are, but they show how art will create positive forces in the world
oldkid: The greatest creativity comes from the oppressed who were set free.



oldkid:  Thank you guys. This has been amazing.
Sandy: thank you for hanging out with me
Junior: yes, this was just what I needed, yall are the best


Thanks, St. Martin for the excellent album!!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on November 16, 2016, 02:48:47 AM
A lot of the songs are about death/suicide. Reading this  article  (http://nymag.com/arts/music/profiles/63035/) helps to shed a little light on how Smith used the idea of death as a connection or touchstone to the creative outlet.
Other thoughts:
- the cover photo was taken by Robert Mapplethorpe who was her first lover when she moved to NY from Jersey. Even after he came out as gay, they remained very close throughout his life.
- I grew up hearing Free Money on the radio in Cleveland a lot. It was my first introduction to Smith.
- the reggae influences are important because that was the early flavor du jour for roots music. It was just coming to the attention of the music world and everyone was trying to copy that sound. (Like blues before it in the 60's) - of course this would eventually show up as ska in the punk movement.
- while Smith's sound was not the typical sound of what punk rock would become. Her fascination with early 60's and late 50's pop would later influence her contemporaries like the Ramones who did become the face of American Punk Rock.
- In my mind, the opening song Gloria is as an ambitious statement as any in rock and roll, right from the very first lyric.

Sorry I could not be there but thank you for listening!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on November 16, 2016, 03:39:36 AM
Ska originated in the 50s and formed the basis of the skinhead movement in the 60s. I make the correction because there's a lot of terrific ska music from the late 60s that the Specials and Madness etc went on to cover in their early days. So looking for ska only in the punk era might mean missing out on a rich earlier period, if anyone wants to delve into the music.

Another reason for mentioning it is that the multi racial ethic of ska and the skinheads got coopted by the racists which is depicted in This Is England. Some bands like the Redskins tried to fight this as part of the anti-fascist movement of the early 80s something I'm proud I witnessed. Then you come back to the later version of the Specials and their song "Racist Friend" and the lyric "if you have a racist friend, now is the time for your friendship to end" which brings us back to Trump and rhetoric and whether you mean what you say.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on November 16, 2016, 04:06:40 AM
Very interesting verbals. I never realized it was its own music style coming out of Jamaica. I only knew it as part of the punk movement. To be honest I tend to avoid Jamaican artists (Bob Marley being the exception) because of their notoriously anti-gay stances. I know it's not fair to paint an entire culture w/ such a broad brush but I am not moved enough to wade into it to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: verbALs on November 16, 2016, 04:45:41 AM
One of the driving forces of punk was the independent record label. Two Tone was the Coventry indie Jerry Dammers set up to make his own records with The Specials. The music was in part a reaction to punk as a form of music ie rock n roll even though it took the spirit of it and the indie mentality but all
Those kids were doing was playing the music they grew up with with their W Indian mates. Bit like The Clash playing dub songs; it's what they heard around them. A healthy sign of multiculturalism (which now is a dirty word unfortunately).
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 16, 2016, 11:52:17 AM
Love the comments, St. Martin and verbALs! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 18, 2016, 12:53:33 PM
Next up, my turn...

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Album: Yentl
Artist: Barbra Streisand
Year: 1983


“I walked into Yentl expecting some kind of schmaltzy formula romance in which Yentl's 'secret identity' was sort of a running gag. You know, like one of those plot points they use for Broadway musicals where the audience is really there to hear the songs and see the costumes. But Yentl takes its masquerade seriously, it treats its romances with the respect due to genuine emotion, and its performances are so good that, yes, I really did care.

Yentl is Barbra Streisand's dream movie. She's been trying to make it for 10 years, ever since she bought the rights to the Isaac Bashevis Singer story it's based on. Hollywood told her she was crazy. Hollywood was right -- on the irrefutable logical ground that a woman in her 40s can hardly be expected to be convincing as a 17-year-old boy. Streisand persisted. She worked on this movie four years, as producer, director, co-writer and star. And she has pulled it off with great style and heart. She doesn't really look like a 17-year-old boy in this movie, that's true. We have to sort of suspend our disbelief a little. But she does look 17, and that's without a lot of trick lighting and funny filters on the lens, too. And she sings like an angel.”  --  Roger Ebert

Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, Nov. 22nd
Time: 10:30 a.m. (CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: 1SO on November 18, 2016, 11:45:42 PM
Awesome pick.
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Post by: oldkid on November 19, 2016, 04:40:39 PM
I will try to make it.  I can still sing a couple of those songs.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 20, 2016, 06:42:26 PM
I thought you'd like that choice, 1SO!

oldkid, do you have a favorite song?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 20, 2016, 07:30:47 PM
Not really.  I remember Papa Can You Hear Me? best, but I'll have to listen to it all again to pick a favorite.  Honestly, I can think of a number of Barbara Streisand albums I'd choose before this one.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 20, 2016, 07:48:12 PM
I wouldn't know which of her albums to choose! This is for the cinema aspect of the forum and for Yentl's music and story having such a big impact on me. Hopefully we'll visit Streisand albums again down the road.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 20, 2016, 08:08:29 PM
That's what I thought.  I'm happy to participate because I am a fan.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 21, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
Hey everyone!

This Is One Of Those Moments



Tomorrow Morning! (Tuesday, Nov. 22nd), 10:30 a.m. (CST)




We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 23, 2016, 09:52:42 PM
Yentl (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhD6b7YAwxw&index=1&list=PLSI0zugjW-m-0AjFsCSb_RxgZr1C2eUfx#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )
 

Sandy: Is Yentl a movie you saw when it first came out, or did you come to it later?
oldkid: I was so excited about it, I drove an hour out of my way to see it in downtown LA.
Sandy: :) I was so excited about it too!
oldkid: On the first week of it's showing there.
Sandy: ha! It's one of the first albums I ever bought and I didn't have any money, so it took a bit of time to get it.
oldkid: It had a limited release and I wasn't sure if it was going to be released wider. Of course, it did. Funny that none of my friends were impressed that I had seen it.
Sandy: well I am.
oldkid: It only took 33 years!
Sandy: hope it's worth it!
oldkid: I have to say that the film didn't do much for me. It was okay, but it didn't grip me or anything. It felt that the story was too short for the long film. I loved the music, of course.
Sandy: good point. I felt more that way, seeing it again recently. lots of filler
oldkid: Yes. I wonder why I didn't see it with my mother, the other Barbara Streisand buff in my house at the time?
Sandy: maybe she didn't want to drive in LA traffic
oldkid: So this will be the first time I heard the music without the film.
Sandy: oh!
oldkid: So this could be quite eye-opening for me.
Sandy: gosh, I listened to it so, so much when I was younger, but hadn't revisited it again until I saw the film again. It was very eye opening to me! wish I had learned the lessons better, but I come at it from another level of need now.
oldkid: What are some of your Barbara Streisand favs?
Sandy: Beautiful, My Man... there are so many. I'll think of a few more very favs. will you answer your question too back to me?
oldkid: Stoney End, pretty much all of Funny Girl, Putting it Together, Songbird, The Way We Were, and the finale from A Star is Born
Sandy: I'm the Greatest Star, Don't Rain on My Parade (most of Funny Girl, really), haha! Yes what you said about Funny Girl
oldkid: Funny Girl is amazing. The perfect fit between performance and vehicle.
Sandy: wow, yes
oldkid: The only other performance by her I was really amazed by is What's Up Doc?
Sandy: that's in my top 100!
oldkid: She is so very funny there.
Sandy: (great clip (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=US0gl8skWcw#no))
Sandy: I'm looking up the Star is Born finale right now... I've never seen it. :( ... oh my! so lovely. I"m keeping it. thank you.
oldkid: Did you ever listen to You Must Remember This podcast?
Sandy: I've only heard one episode on Greta Garbo.
oldkid: There's an episode on Barbara and The Star is Born. It's fascinating.
Sandy: taking note
oldkid: Don't bother watching the movie. Just watch the Judy Garland version again. But I love the soundtrack.
Sandy:  haha! good to know. I'd put Judy's Star is Born in my top 100, but it tears me apart each time I see it.
oldkid: Judy is hard to watch there, huh
Sandy: so, so hard to see her in it. I guess that's precisely why it should go in my top 100 though. But i struggle with it
oldkid: And she put all of herself in that performance. All of her joy and her misery.
Sandy: and it was too high a price. all that she gave to the industry
oldkid: Yes. And what they took from her, but didn't give back. I suppose that's what all life works do.
Sandy: :( so how do we get filled?
oldkid: Filled? At this point, I don't know. If I find out, I'll let you know.
Sandy: thank you. I'm all ears.

"Where Is It Written"
Sandy: I have to say, this music is down deep in my bones. like DNA even
oldkid: I love the plinky Jewish music, but whispering instead of singing doesn't do much for me.
Sandy: she's got to start small, so she has somewhere to go. :)
oldkid: Her breathy diction is fascinating to me. Really unique. Barbara ALWAYS has somewhere to go.
Sandy: and she goes big!
oldkid: That she does. I love that about her.
Sandy: I can't tell if the emotions this brings up is cathartic, or just going to devastate me today... maybe both. that's my hope... Are you singing along?
oldkid: I felt that the film's context made this song shallow. Of course, I was still a teen. Now I see the broader context of this song. Wow. I like how she doesn't feel that she has to go all the way up her range in this song. She can keep it quiet. She has a whole album to go big.
Sandy: Yes, it's an inquiry. a beginning
oldkid: Nice... I can listen to her scales all day.
Sandy: yes, she could do an album of scales and I'd get it!

"Papa Can You Hear Me?"
Sandy: When I was young this song was very powerful to me. I had lost my father when I was 6 and felt lost in many ways.
oldkid: Wow. That must have been tough. Your mom raised you alone?
Sandy: she remarried. My step dad had four boys of his own. He's a good man.
oldkid: Was it a shock to suddenly have four brothers?
Sandy: yep. there were 8 kids in a 6 year span. lots of togetherness

"This Is One Of Those Moments"
oldkid: Suddenly the music is less ballad and more Gershwin.
Sandy: ooh. great comparison. do you have moments that this song makes you think of?
oldkid: The adoration of scholarship, the deep delving into the answering of questions is in me. Books! how many songs talk about the wonder of books?
Sandy: not enough!
oldkid: Clearly! ...Not many people can sing so quickly but so clearly.
Sandy: her diction is as perfectionist as her notes. she's a stickler
oldkid: That she is. Which is kind of the theme of the podcast episode.
Sandy: oh! I bet!  haha. I'll have to listen in
oldkid: "I wish I had a wife"

"No Wonder" parts 1 &2, "The Way He Makes Me Feel"
Sandy: this was a very potent song for a sheltered girl, meaning me. haha. Yentl too
oldkid: It's no surprise this album didn't grab me. I was more of a Spock-like being as a teen. All this talk of feelings didn't make sense.
Sandy: and I was all emotion. :) girl feelings
oldkid: And her criticisms of the girl seemed petty. Of course, I had a little crush on Amy Irving at the time
Sandy: she's very beautiful
oldkid: I saw her in a film called "Voices" where she played a deaf girl. There was something else I saw, too.
Sandy: crossing delancy?
olkid: The conversation between Irving and Streisand actually brings to mind the scene in the movie.

"Tomorrow Night"
Sandy: this situation is so uncomfortable in the movie! I couldn't believe she was going through with it
oldkid: She could have said "no"
Sandy: yeah, she's going to sing about that now. "I could run away..."  but, love makes us do stupid things.
oldkid: I wonder about putting so much of the film into the soundtrack. She couldn't run away. Too many feelings. Too
Sandy: I like everything being in here, it's like watching it, as I go through the album, like a full story.
oldkid: "Something makes me feel that you wouldn't want to dance tonight" It's funny how Barbara's humor is consistent throughout her films
Sandy: very witty

"Will Someone Ever Look at Me That Way?"
oldkid: It's funny how Streisand looks differently at Irving. At first the demur woman is powerless, until Streisand is under the grip of her real power. She is a woman using man's power without the male experience. And so she is trapped by a woman who is skilled at trapping male power
Sandy: :) That is so astute

"No Matter What Happens", "No Wonder" (Reprise)
Sandy: love this song so much, a song to sing from the rooftops,"to free myself, to be myself at last..."
oldkid: Streisand talks about The Broadway album-- each song as a mini-film. This album feels like a short version of the film. An experience of the film without the film... Finally, going big, Barbara! That's what I was waiting for!
Sandy: these last three songs are killer to me. "she is woman, so am I"
oldkid: So good.

"A Piece of Sky"
oldkid:  "Papa I've a voice now"
Sandy: great big arc she has! so empowering... this is the sister song to Don't Rain on My Parade...
oldkid: A summary of the whole album with the climax being her distinctive note. Amazing end. She knows how to do a finale.
Sandy: so did you enjoy it without the movie?
oldkid: Yes... mostly. It's not her best work, but I can see a couple of the songs-- A Piece of Sky, A Moment like this joining my favorites of hers.
Sandy: The songs have such a way about asking the hard questions, ones that should be being asked. I love that about it. It doesn't hold anything back. thanks for listening with me!



Mini chat with Knocked Out Loaded...

Sandy: have you heard the album before?
Knocked Out Loaded: no.
Sandy: are you a streisand fan?
Knocked Out Loaded: not really.
Sandy:  :))   how about I just give you a few highlights?
Knocked Out Loaded: please
Sandy: it's a story of a girl who was quietly taught the Torah, but when he died she wanted to continue, so she pretended to be a man, so she could study.
Knocked Out Loaded: fitting for our present time in a way, then... many girls still are deprived of their rights to education in some parts of the world
Sandy: there are many forms of oppression, even today, and that is a very real one
Knocked Out Loaded: yes. in that way yentl could function as a allegory?
Sandy: I believe so... this is the song she sings when she gets accepted into the university. no one is more grateful than her, to have a chance to study... I'll share one more song if you'd like. it's the finale and she goes nice and big. This is her going to America, so she can study and be a woman too.  not sure it's going to be an easy road there either.
Knocked Out Loaded: do you think these songs stands by themselves? or do they merely function as a whole?
Sandy: it's pretty tied to the story, but since I can see the movie in my head and the songs mean a lot to me, for personal reasons, they stand alone. Not sure that is the case with others, though... streisand's diction and notes and power are something to behold.
Knocked Out Loaded: she is awesome in a way.
Sandy: Ha! cute  ...and she's got lungs!
Knocked Out Loaded: but a little too polishied.
Sandy: yes, she is a perfectionist. I know she records the sound so carefully, it's crazy, like taking out breaths and such. she should be more messy.
Knocked Out Loaded: she is like a piece of marble that nothing sticks to. yeah, messy and gritty
Sandy: haha :)



There's so much to say about this album, but it's hard when listening to it, as the music sweeps me up. I'll link my review, for they're the words I would have said, if I had the wherewithall to do so during chat. :)

Yentl (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=10828.msg821686#msg821686)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 23, 2016, 11:12:21 PM
Now I want to hear Funny Girl again.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 24, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
Me too! :D
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 24, 2016, 01:58:48 PM
Next up, Knocked Out Loaded's turn...

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Album: Exposure
Artist: Robert Fripp
Year: 1979


“Conceived as the third part of an MOR trilogy that included Peter Gabriel's second album and Daryl Hall's Sacred Songs, Exposure is concerned with a marketplace that Fripp saw as hostile to experimentation and hungry for product. Strangely, then, Exposure is one of his most varied and successful rock albums, offering a broad selection of styles. "Water Music I and II" is pure Frippertronics; "Disengage" and "I May Not Have Had Enough of Me But I've Had Enough of You" are angular, jagged rock like he would make with the reformed King Crimson; "North Star" is a soulful ballad led by Daryl Hall on vocals, and a less bombastic version of "Here Comes the Flood" with Peter Gabriel singing makes a melancholic ending. Peter Hammill, Terre Roche, and Narada Michael Walden also add vocals to a pleasant experiment in pop, Fripp style.”  --  Ted Mills

Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, Nov. 29th
Time: 11:00 a.m. (CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on November 24, 2016, 02:00:36 PM
Okay, I'm sold.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on November 24, 2016, 05:12:09 PM
King Crimson is a fav, so I'll try to catch this one
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 28, 2016, 07:03:28 PM
Hey everyone!

Strategic interaction irreducible fraction



Tomorrow Morning! (Tuesday, Nov. 29th), 11:00 a.m. (CST)



We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 29, 2016, 11:14:50 AM
We're starting up the Exposure album in just a few minutes. Join us if you'd like! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 29, 2016, 02:46:47 PM
Exposure  Chat Excerpts  (Press play on each title and follow along. :) )


KnockedOutLoaded: hi
Junior: might have to drop out early, got a lot of work to do, but I'm here to see what the hubub is about
KnockedOutLoaded: nice   
Sandy: glad to have you here!

"You Burn Me Up (I'm A Cigarette)" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=089SH63fiSw#no)
Sandy: I'm all by myself here, so I've got the music turned up!!
KnockedOutLoaded: this came out in 79. i don't know if this is a parody on new wave or what
Junior: lol
Sandy: I was reading about Darly Hall and Fripp said, "Daryl's pipes were a wonder. I have never worked with a more able singer."
KnockedOutLoaded: yes. he produce one solo album for him that rca didn't want to release
Sandy: did it ever get released elsewhere?
KnockedOutLoaded: a few years later as sacred songs
Sandy: do you like the album? I'd like to listen to it sometime
KnockedOutLoaded: not when i bought it. i was 19 then and fully didn't understand it. now i adore it
Sandy: :)    ...This is the song where I got the line for the GLBooth post, "Strategic interaction terminal inaction... A bitter hostile faction irreducible fraction" " it made me smile.

"Breathless" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rz1GVwLwH2M#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: these drums are so so good
Sandy: very intricate, lots of layers. love it
KnockedOutLoaded: this is the middle part. we'll return to the original motif later
Sandy: Do you know Fripp's story? Where he began?
Junior: This is not exactly my type of music, but I appreciate the complexity here
KnockedOutLoaded: nice jr! fripp was the frontman of king crimson
Sandy: Alex is always so great about listening to things outside his wheelhouse.
oh, that's right! I think Sam introduced me to King Crimson, or it might have been you, KOL. I can't remember. 
KnockedOutLoaded: the group was active the first half of the '70s. must be sam!
Sandy probably! he loves his prog! This song is very reminiscent of it. What exactly is your wheelhouse, Alex? 
Junior: I have no idea what my wheelhouse is. It's more defined by what's not in it than what is. Some definite inclusions would be modern indie rock/pop/r+b, soul, classic rock/pop/r+b, some rap of all eras, jazz, classical. You know, a little bit of everything
Sandy: anything sax!
Junior: Sax is king!
KnockedOutLoaded: when the group folded he did session work with peter gabriel, bowie among others. he moved to hell's kitchen i ny and started working on this
Sandy: that's cool. love NYC creative pockets

"Disengage" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE9F5HvIkRQ#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this next one must be a ny scene. i think of cassavetes. love the brutality
Sandy: Cassavetes is very distinctively NYC, isn't he?
KnockedOutLoaded: i would guess so
Junior: I just picked up that Cassavetes criterion box set
Sandy: his movies I've seen, very urban
Junior: excited to get into it a bit over break
Sandy: does it have Faces?
Junior: yeah
KnockedOutLoaded: gr8
Sandy: That is my favorite of his so far, by far
Junior: cool, ill be sure t check it out
Sandy: that song went by too fast!

"North Star" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeRJQ8T4r98#no)
Sandy: I was looking up some of the lyrics to this album yesterday and this is the one I fell in love with. the music is perfect for it.
Junior: i like this one a lot
Sandy: simple lyrics, mostly, "Now touch Touch here Now warm Now near Now near..."
KnockedOutLoaded: but fantastic vocals!
Sandy: yes! like a mantra. Is this is Hall too?
KnockedOutLoaded: yes! i like how this contrasts with the former track
Sandy: beautiful
Junior: i like the background wails

"Chicago" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-E5JkP-Q7U#no)
Sandy: This music if fantastic! is this Hall?
KnockedOutLoaded: no. i think it's peter hammill
Sandy: yeah, his voice sounded different... whoa these songs are too short! like they rev you up and then drop you like a hot potato!
Junior: so this Fripp guy is just the guitar? Or does he write the lyrics for others to sing, too?
KnockedOutLoaded: i don't now. some of the lyric were by his girlfriend at the time
Sandy: hmm, I like that.
KnockedOutLoaded: this next one is the best

"NY3" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExNAI3zJfYQ#no)
Sandy: ha!
Junior: huh, that's cool
KnockedOutLoaded: play it loud
SandyKcreator: I need better speakers. 
KnockedOutLoaded: :D
Sandy: very NYC too! he is recreating hell's kitchen
KnockedOutLoaded: exactly. but times two maybe.
Sandy: (That opening rift of the drums! very reminiscent of Rush's "Tom Sawyer" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auLBLk4ibAk#no))

"Mary" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQGDa8VA_lQ#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: the pictures in this clip are edie sedgwick
Sandy: Do you know who Mary is?
KnockedOutLoaded: no
Sandy: me neither :)
KnockedOutLoaded: but the lyrics were written by his fiance. i love how layered this song is.
Sandy: I wanted to post some of the lyrics to Mary, because they really caught my attention too.
That a creature could be so lonely
It became my deepest wish
To give her my love
To embrace her forever
And to have her find some peace
She who was so lonely
Came with volumes of feeling I have never known

KnockedOutLoaded: it's very beautiful

"Exposure" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1NkphFI3oQ#no)
KnockedOutLoaded:then we get this.... genius!
Sandy: it has beauty in a whole other direction!
KnockedOutLoaded: yeah! i'm glad i found this video on youtube. I haven't seen it before.
Sandy: haha, that scream! primal
KnockedOutLoaded: very.
Sandy: barbaric yawp!
KnockedOutLoaded: listen to it with phones
Sandy: i will!
KnockedOutLoaded: there's a version with hall's vocals on the tube too
Junior: ok, i'm gonna have to bow out. this was fun! I liked it, even if it wasn't very close to what I normally listen to. see you all later!
Sandy: Thanks Junior!
KnockedOutLoaded: thanks for popping in!

"Hååden Two" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG_YZsc2b9M#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: incredible dismal pathetic chord sequence..... ha'
Sandy: excellent adjectives... haha, I thought you wrote that at first. 
KnockedOutLoaded: :D
Sandy: I was going to say, Are you sure English isn't your first language? 
KnockedOutLoaded: quite positive! thanks, i guess!
Sandy: You have a great mastery of the language, but when you strung those adjectives together I was pretty floored. 
KnockedOutLoaded: well, it was brian eno!
Sandy: haha then Eno is the linguist!

"Night I: Urban Landscape 1981" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnoTUG6UAZ0#no)
KnockedOutLoade: this isn't from the album but very similar. frippertronics.... he plays with delays.
Sandy: can you help me understand "delays"?
KnockedOutLoaded: you insert a sound that repeats itself after say 4 secs. like an echo that reappears
Sandy: thank you. I should've know that. My son is a sound engineer. :) Now I want to hear that song again and listen for the patterns

"I May Not Have Had Enough Of Me But I've Had Enough Of You" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4xg2y7N2tM#no)
Sandy: Like Talking Heads, I hear a lot of words as sounds, percussive
KnockedOutLoaded: they were in the same ballpark for a while. eno is a common denominator. and ny too, maybe the record is littered with guitar sounds like that
like now!
Sandy: I hear it! I'm impressed with it's bold experimentation, like they want to try stuff and are enjoying the freedom. yes, the layers, getting more dense.
KnockedOutLoaded: it was high tech then. digital technology didn't exist
Sandy: innovation in the analog age. yes, that! haha

"Water Music I - Here Comes The Flood" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vnui9lzrLDg#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this is peter gabriel. the song is on his second album as well
Sandy: aw Mr. Gabriel. this is lovely. This a re-imagined song of his?
KnockedOutLoaded: fripp produced that record. but this version is different. more naked and desperate.
Sandy: see! You do have excellent adjectives!!
KnockedOutLoaded: its the same song. thanks sandy!
Sandy: this is so emotional, "Lord, here comes the flood..."
KnockedOutLoaded: i get tears in my eyes.... that rarely happens
Sandy: then my tears are not unusual for the song then?
KnockedOutLoaded: no!
SandyKcreator: I thought it was a combination of being sick and well, me just being me. :')
KnockedOutLoaded: ...mmm. there's some kind of montage at the end, but this is it!
Sandy: thank you so much for this album! I had a great time listening in.
KnockedOutLoaded: my pleasure!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on November 30, 2016, 04:27:48 PM
It was fun in the booth yesterday. Thanks to Sandy and Junior for participating, and thanks to Sandy for transcribing!

I just would like to correct the title "Promo Film" which in fact is the title track, "Exposure". For those that may be interested, here is Peter Gabriel's version (https://youtu.be/P_uMM9QbE2g#no) (produced by Fripp) of the same song. And "NY3" is on Daryl Hall's "Sacred Songs" as NYCNY (https://youtu.be/epLXwup4bpA#no). Fun to compare. ::)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on November 30, 2016, 04:41:27 PM
oops! I can fix that!

Thanks for the links - listening right now. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on December 01, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
Next week, get into the spirit and celebrate the life of another artist gone too soon.

(http://www.billboard.com/files/media/dap-037_1500x1500.jpg)

That's right, It's A Holiday Soul Party with Sharon Jones and the Dap-Kings!

The Guardian says, "Corny as it may be at times, this is an album that oozes soulful cheer." Sounds like fun to me.

Date: Thursday December 8
Time: Noon Eastern
Holidays included: Christmas and Hanukkah
Location: Dubtrack.fm
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 01, 2016, 11:42:00 PM
Junior! What an outstanding choice! I'm so there! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 07, 2016, 08:03:09 PM
Hey everyone!

We have a world of love
All of you beautiful people hanging out together
Holding hands
Sing a song!



Tomorrow Morning! (Thursday, Dec. 8th), 11:00 a.m. (CST), 12:00 p.m. (EST)



We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on December 08, 2016, 10:48:58 AM
Hey everyone!

We have a world of love
All of you beautiful people hanging out together
Holding hands
Sing a song!



Tomorrow Morning! (Thursday, Dec. 8th), 11:00 a.m. (CST), 12:00 p.m. (EST)



We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.

I'm there right now!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 08, 2016, 11:02:31 PM
It's A Holiday Soul Party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT2_7aq3ytE&list=PLPGvJCKXdBieCQYZQfpx3woHQ0dWdS5Ve#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )
 

"Ain't No Chimneys In The Projects"
Sandy: What a title
Junior: Sharon Jones was a pretty cool lady, i've been a fan of hers for a while. her songs have been in a few commercials.
Sandy: I hadn't heard of her name until you posted the album
Junior: part of why i like her is that she sounds right out of the 60s and 70s
Sandy: (Momma sat me down and said "Baby, Santa Clause does magic things. As soon as you're asleep a chimney will appear." That's quick thinking.)

"8 Days (of Hanukkah)"
Sandy: how nice of her to make a Hannukah song!
Junior: yeah, she's got a really cool vibe of inclusivity which is nice
Knocked Out Loaded: it's funky
Sandy: she would have been terrific on sesame street
Knocked Out Loaded: ha ha
Junior: for sure, she probably was on it at some point.
Sandy: i bet!
Junior: as you can tell, the horns and guitar and drums are also super great. they're the Dap-Kings and they're the best
Sandy: it's pure joy, this music
Knocked Out Loaded: enlighten me, what's hannukah
Junior: Jewish holiday about oil lasting longer than it was supposed to, i think
Sandy: its' from a historical incident (miracle - eight days of burning the menorah, with only one day supply of oil.)
KnockedOutLoaded: is she jewish?
Junior: no, but I think some of her band members are
Sandy: cool

"White Christmas"
Junior: now you'll be able to see her in all of her glory, though live performances are really where it's at
Sandy: I love it! she's rockin that frock!
Junior: you gotta rock the frock!
Knocked Out Loaded: almost like tina turner
Junior: she's definitely got a Turner vibe
Sandy: what a twist on the song, I hardly recognize it
Knocked Out Loaded: strutty!
Junior: yeah, it's a lot of fun. she's rarely a downer, which is another reason why I like her, even her breakup songs are more about kissoffs than sadness
Knocked Out Loaded: the band's a bit pale though

"Just Another Christmas Song"
Sandy: a medley of many songs, one line after another... I was just going to say how refreshing this album is, because it's so different than the typical songs I hear all season
and here she's addressing it. and putting a twist on them

"Silent Night"
Sandy: ala the blues!
Junior: she's really does shake things up nicely on this record. there's a great tiny desk concert from NPR with her doing 3 songs from this album and she forgets some lines and she just rolls with it with a lot of verve.
Knocked Out Loaded: i'll check it out later
Junior: she was getting chemo treatments (or was recently off of them) around when this came out, so that she was able to do this at all is pretty impressive, I think
Knocked Out Loaded: cancer is a bitch
Junior: for real. I was sad to see she had died last month, but I kind of knew it was coming.
Knocked Out Loaded: this is cool. I like the restrained arrangement

"Big Bulbs"
Junior: Oh this one is so much fun. guess what she's talking about!
Knocked Out Loaded: i'm in the dark
Sandy: I'm trying to guess... am I too naive to understand? 
Junior: u=a, second b=l. flashing in your window tonight. big balls!
Sandy: haha. why are they flashing in the window
Junior: she's looking forward to getting down with him tonight and he's a little freaky
Sandy: :)) cheeky

"Please Come Home For Christmas"
Junior: this is the only one where I don't think she adds all that much to the popular versions, but it's still a solid rendition
Sandy: It's still as great as I've heard this song done
Knocked Out Loaded: i'm a bit unfamiliar with how it usually sounds....
Junior: yeah, it's just not better than it usually is. it sounds a lot like this, KoL
Knocked Out Loaded: ok
Junior: well, maybe except for this end part

"Funky Little Drummer Boy"
Junior: oh, I love this one. totally different sound
Sandy: this song needed a re do!
Junior: my mom hates this version (it's her fave christmas song)
Sandy: how interesting that she loves this song best
Junior: yeah, she's a weirdo!
Sandy: ha! ...usually the drumming is so dull
Knocked Out Loaded: I like this. didn't bowie do this one?
Sandy: yes! we should find it!
Junior: it was half of that bowie/bing thing that's my favorite christmas song. I can play it after.
Knocked Out Loaded: nice drum break!
Sandy: it is! Love the syncopation.
Knocked Out Loaded: tell your mother it's a nice version!
Junior: this is a much livelier version than most others and I love it. goes out on a drum solo, too, of course
Knocked Out Loaded: good wailing!

"Silver Bells"
Junior: this one feels a little Stevie Wonder-y
Knocked Out Loaded: started like a gospel
Junior: yeah, that's there to throw you off!
Knocked Out Loaded: then the delivery is pretty straight forward
Junior: I'm glad she treated this like an album you'd actually play at a party, no real slow songs. I'm a big fan of the crazy instruments on this one. you almost couldn't tell it's Silver bells except for her singing the lyrics

"World Of Love"
Knocked Out Loaded: this was slow!
Sandy: like a slow dance
Junior: well, it's almost the end of the party!
Sandy: winding down
Knocked Out Loaded: some will leave lucky, some sad
Sandy: it has an undercurrent of melancholy. Yes! just like that KoL
Knocked Out Loaded: c'est la vie!
Junior: I like that she's continuing that inclusiveness here
Sandy: lovin' the trumpets
Junior: she does this once an album, just lets the horns go for it on a song
Sandy: lets them loose!
Knocked Out Loaded: did she had a fixed band?
Sandy: There's a Peer Gynt slant to this song
Junior: yeah, though they also worked on other people's albums sometimes


Junior: well, that's everything!
Knocked Out Loaded: thanks! i feel a bit more festive already!
Sandy: me too! Junior, I'm grateful for your introduction of Sharon. I'm adding her to my Christmas playlist. 
Junior: happy to introduce you to it. she's really great. Maybe I'll put some of her non-christmas stuff up in that thread as well. to give you a feel of what she normally does.



Bonus Christmas Songs

Bing Crosby & David Bowie - "Peace on Earth/Little Drummer Boy" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnmzJgSLHg4#no)
Knocked Out Loaded: ;( RIP, david
Junior: gosh, this is just the best thing.
Sandy: it really is. the old guard and the new, at least back then. Were you the one that introduced it to me, Junior?
Junior: I wouldn't be surprised. I've been kind of obsessed with it ever since college
Sandy: it's something really special
Knocked Out Loaded: this is a great conversation
Sandy: I just watched Going My Way a few nights ago.
Junior: this is kind of a crappy video, but the song still kicks butt
Sandy: it really gets to me. Emotions!
Junior: yeah, especially here, "for my child and your child too"
Knocked Out Loaded: what year?
Junior: 77
Knocked Out Loaded: time flies!
Junior: aired about a month after Bing died, actually

The Pogues, featurig Kirsty MacColl - "Fairytale Of New York" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9jbdgZidu8#no)
Knocked Out Loaded: i love this
Junior: :)
Knocked Out Loaded: shane is a tragic guy, but great
Junior: this is so great. I hadn't heard it until a year or two ago
Knocked Out Loaded: kirsty, RIP too. she drowned, i think. in the caribbean
Junior: yeesh
Sandy: you know all the musicians, KoL
Knocked Out Loaded: she was married to steve lillywhite, a producer. reasonably known. he worked with u2

Knocked Out Loaded: can i play one too?
Sandy: please!

Bob Dylan - "Must Be Santa" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8qE6WQmNus#no)
Junior: oh yes, love this album
Knocked Out Loaded: yeah!
Sandy: Of Course! we must have Dylan's Christmas!
Knocked Out Loaded: everyone was perplexed when this album was announced
Junior: it's both incongruous and totally fits. we had a christian lady doing a Hanukkah song, now a jewish guy doing Christmas. that's the spirit, i'm saying.
Knocked Out Loaded: wonderful! i'm pepped!
Sandy: everyone gets to do their take on a christmas album it seems!

The Shins - "Wonderful Christmas Time" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IBqwAKv8b8#no)
Sandy: I haven't heard this rendition
Knocked Out Loaded: this is a mccartney song
Sandy: it's hard to beat McCartney, but it's still cute
Junior: I like this intstrumentation better
Knocked Out Loaded: better one to dance to
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on December 08, 2016, 11:27:59 PM
Thanks for copying all of that and putting it together. It's a fun album for sure. Here's a small taste of it from NPR's Tiny Desk series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRENaUQc5No

and some other songs of hers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ouI5KcyHfE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ifbleDsSsI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOaiS5kG41k
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on December 09, 2016, 06:39:05 AM
Thanks for DJing junior, and for editing Sandy!
(http://i.imgur.com/xyHFQt1.gif)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on December 09, 2016, 11:53:05 AM
Just listening to the album now.  WOW!  Never heard her before.  I'm back in the 60s!  This goes perfectly along with my Motown Christmas album.  Some of these are even better than most of the songs on there!  I'm blown away! 

What I like best is that she is influenced by the 60s soul, but not limited to what they did.  She is inventive and playful and creative. 

She definitely goes on my Christmas playlist and my soul!  Thanks, Junior!

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 10, 2016, 01:02:19 AM
oldkid! So glad you got to hear it! :)

Junior, thanks for linking these songs. I've been spending a very enjoyable evening listening to this wonderful lady and her band.

Thanks for DJing junior, and for editing Sandy!
(http://i.imgur.com/xyHFQt1.gif)

:D

Now that's festive!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 12, 2016, 04:16:45 PM
I'll pick something festive.

(http://overtherhine.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/snow-angels1.jpg)

Let's do this ThursdayFriday, 12/16 at 10 a.m. CST.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 12, 2016, 06:15:06 PM
Hurray!! :D
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 12, 2016, 07:52:44 PM
Let's do this ThursdayFriday, 12/16 at 10 a.m. CST.
Okay, had to move it back a day because my Thursday just got booked solid.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on December 13, 2016, 12:29:32 AM
Not able to join on Friday, sorry.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on December 13, 2016, 12:37:14 AM
I should probably be able to make it.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 15, 2016, 05:40:36 PM
Hey everyone!

I wanna get snowed in with you
I wanna shake off these winter blues...
Dream with me, leave your cares far behind



Tomorrow Morning! (Friday, Dec. 16th), 10:00 a.m. (CST)



We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Monty on December 15, 2016, 05:58:02 PM
Hey everyone!

I wanna get snowed in with you
I wanna shake off these winter blues...
Dream with me, leave your cares far behind



Tomorrow Morning! (Friday, Dec. 16th), 10:00 a.m. (CST)

10.00am, that's 4.00pm UK time, straight after 'Kermode & Mayo'. I may be listening. The band is new to me, but I've heard one of the songs...wonderful it is :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 15, 2016, 06:28:45 PM
I hope you can, Monty!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on December 16, 2016, 10:14:28 AM
Hola?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 16, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
Oops. Totally forgot about this. I set a notification, but since I don't have my phone it slipped past me. Maybe we could try again for Tuesday?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 16, 2016, 11:04:51 AM
Yes, let's do then! No worries about today, I was called away anyway and would have missed some of it this morning.

Bondo, I hope you can come back to the booth on Tuesday too!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Monty on December 16, 2016, 01:50:01 PM
Oh damn I missed this, like Sandy I got called away. Can we do it again Tuesday?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 18, 2016, 09:54:27 AM
Oh damn I missed this, like Sandy I got called away. Can we do it again Tuesday?

I don't think that session was meant to be! :D I've got it calendared for Tuesday.

Sam, let me know if that doesn't work for you, otherwise, I'll see you then!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on December 18, 2016, 10:26:12 AM
Tuesday is cheap movie day, so I might be choosing between this, Loving or Manchester By The Sea.  :-\
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 18, 2016, 10:55:23 AM
I'm still good for Tuesday at 10am CST.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 19, 2016, 09:58:30 PM
Hey everyone!

I wanna get snowed in with you
I wanna shake off these winter blues...
Dream with me, leave your cares far behind



Tomorrow Morning!
Tuesday, Dec. 20th, 10:00 a.m. (CST)




We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 19, 2016, 10:30:02 PM
I'll make sure to be there this time.  :P
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 20, 2016, 10:03:38 AM
Come listen in!

I've got the cocoa ready and the music is sublime!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on December 22, 2016, 08:34:57 AM
I'm up next!

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/d/d6/Bring_it_back.jpg/220px-Bring_it_back.jpg)

Album: Bring It Back
Artist: Mates of State
Year: 2006


"Mates of State started off their career as a kind of curiosity (no guitars!) but have grown into the kind of group where you can't wait to see what they will do next, even if it is only to release records like Bring It Back that strengthen and perfect their formula." - Tim Sendra

Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, December 28
Time: 10:00 a.m. CST
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 22, 2016, 09:03:22 AM
Thanks, Bondo! Looks great! :)



I'm still compiling the Snow Angel chat and should have it posted soonish.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 22, 2016, 11:10:09 AM
Snow Angels (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reAw6rushxg&list=PLLMYtf6lb_FiPOZoPUTlKVK096d7ehOqk#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )
 
"All I Ever Get for Christmas Is Blue"
Sam the Cinema Snob: Love how sad this song is. Christmas is a sad time.
Sandy: This is the song you introduced me to. Maybe the first Over The Rhine song I've heard... I love her voice right there
Sam: Oh yea, I think "Play it like I'm sad and lonely" is one of her best lines, and she has a lot of great lines.
Sandy: How did you learn about this group, Sam?
Bondo: My happiness this Christmas hinges on a coffee date tomorrow
Sandy: Keeping my fingers crossed for your happiness, Bondo :)
Sam: haha
Bondo: I think one of the reasons Christmas is depressing for so many people is they have to pretend it is a joyous time. My birthday is early January so I've got this 6 week period or so where people are constantly saying Happy this and Merry that.
Sam: Yup.
Bondo: So it feels appealing when a song represents the sadness many are feeling.
Sandy: I'm too busy to get blue. That comes after my work is done.

"Darlin' (Christmas is Coming)"
Sam: Now something happy!
Sandy: this song is so wonderful, the mood of it, the tone
Sam: "Falling like forgiveness from the sky"
Sandy: The lyrics of the song are so healing. just the two of them, against the world.

"White Horse"
Sam: I like that this song is a lullaby. I wonder if flying on the horse is a reference to Helprin's Winter's Tale. Probably not.

"Little Town"
Sandy: nice rendition, here
Bondo: A more traditional one
Sam: Yea, they give it just a bit of jazzy flavor. I guess I appreciate them doing renditions of favorites, but I like their new stuff much much more.
KnockedOutLoaded: haven't done any homework. are they a group or a duo?
Sam: A married duo. Usually backed up by another guitar.
Bondo: My pick for next week is also a married duo.
KnockedOutLoaded: thanks. they've chosen a cryptic name.
Sandy:it's a town, isn't it?
Sam: It's a district of Cincinnati, I believe.
KnockedOutLoaded: a river in germany... i'm eurocentric. ha
Sandy: :) must be german immigrants who named it
Sam: Yea, it was a german neighborhood. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Over-the-Rhine For those who want more info
KnockedOutLoaded: :-9

"New Redemption Song"
Sam: Linford is so soft spoken. He didn't start singing on their albums until the last two
His voice is haunting and you don't get to hear it for so much of their work.
Sandy: Karin's voice is mesmerizing, so it's a good combination
Sam: This song is great because it's basically them admitting music is inadequate for the task they want to acomplish. Longing for redemption is a major theme of Over the Rhine.
KnockedOutLoaded: i usually don't take in much of the lyrics the first time, as english isn't my mother tongue
Sam: I'm usually the same. I fall in love with the sound first, the words come on repeat listens
Sandy: I also have to go back and pick the words up in written form
KnockedOutLoaded: it's like watching a movie for the first time
Sandy: ...It's so refreshing to have a Christmas album that has new things to say.
Sam: Yes it is. They have two other christmas albums: The Trumpet Child and Blood Oranges in the Snow
Sandy: it's practically unheard of. i'm turning off the radio and only playing those albums!
KnockedOutLoaded: 3 christmas albums out of how many in total?
Sam: I think 14 studio albums and they have some live albums, too.
KnockedOutLoaded: ....and unheard of here. that was good.

"Goodbye Charles"
Sam: This one makes me smile. A homage to another great christmas albums.
KnockedOutLoaded: i liked the soul
Sandy: now this is cool. I'm not that into jazz, but Vince Guaraldi is king, at least Christmas king
Sam: Double Bass is having fun on this one. Oh Sandy, we gotta get you into some Jazz.
Future Group Listening Booth project.
KnockedOutLoaded: yes!
Sandy: i like jazz i just don't LIKE jazz. My brother is a band director, so for many years I've sat through many a high school performances of mediocre jazz musicians improvising on their instruments. Its always more interesting to them than the audience. So am I forgiven?
KnockedOutLoaded: in a way that's very true
Bondo: jazz is like poetry, only your own is bearable
Sandy: :)
KnockedOutLoaded: ha ha
Sandy: this group is so versatile, lullabies, gospel, jazz, torch song...
Sam: Yup, and folk too, which you don't get that much of in this album.
Sandy: yes and folk!!

"Snowed In With You"
Sam: This is like a not rapey version of Baby it's Cold Outside.
KnockedOutLoaded: this i like
Sandy: me too!
KnockedOutLoaded: and great title
Sam: the jazziness just warms you up on a cold day.
Sandy: the brush on the drum. mmmmm. yes, that! James. 
Sam: Here's a good sampling of Over the Rhine's Christmas music: http://noisetrade.com/overtherhine/even-the-snow-turns-blue
Sam: I could listen to her voice all day. It never gets old. I got to see them back in May. Chilling in person.
KnockedOutLoaded: on this her skill shines. she has good technique
Sam: Some good fiddlin' right there.
KnockedOutLoaded: how were they live, Sam? the live track earlier was a bit more... edgy
Sam: Fantastic. They are delightful live and they have a good sense of humor.

"North Pole Man"
Sam: This is like a jazzy James Taylor song. The Frozen Man, I think is the name of the Taylor song this reminds me of.
Sandy: I'm loving each and every one of these songs. I've never heard of Frozen Man before. I thought I knew all the Taylor songs.
KnockedOutLoaded: 4 gigs in europe this spring
Sam: ...So raunchy! 
Sandy: haha, I'm blushing! "It takes good friciton to make good heat." ...her voice is even more steamy than the words.

"Here It Is"
Sam: I love this song. They pick up the tempo. "The act of forgiveness is always a mystery"
So many great lines.
I make my confession, I make it in public.
I'm wrapping up my love this Christmas
The deeper the love goes, the deeper the bruising.
The trouble talking is that it makes you sound clever.

...Man, this song got me through a rough winter. 2013 winter. 2013 was my 2016.
Sandy: then it's a hopeful song
Sam: Oh yea, this is a hopeful song.
Sandy: so is she putting her love under wraps? Or is she celebrating it?
Sam: She's giving her love as a gift.
KnockedOutLoaded: she was offering it
Sandy: ah! I see... "here it is."
Sam: That's how I've always interpreted it.
Sandy: i love it. no better gift

"One Olive Jingle"
Sam: Another classic jazzed up
Sandy: her voice keeps changing!
Sam: She has crazy range.
Sandy: she sure does!
Sam: Sometimes it just makes you shake your head because it's unbelievable.
KnockedOutLoaded: this reminds a little of rickie lee jones
Sandy: great comparison, KOL! ...she sounds a little like Macy Gray here
KnockedOutLoaded: ...they are far better than anticipated, whatever that was!
 
"Snow Angel"
Sam: Steel yourselves. This song. Another lullaby, "Goodbye to this cruel, wicked world." Most of their songs aren't really stories. This one is and makes me long for a concept album
KnockedOutLoaded: on what subject?
Sam: Whatever they want, honestly. Maybe a rural love story. Something kinda like Hadestown
KnockedOutLoaded: whats hadestown?
Sam: The Orpheus love story told as a modern rural love story,
KnockedOutLoaded: ok
Sam: "I'll meet you in the sky"
Sandy: :'(

"We're Gonna Pull Through"
Sam: And after taking you to the pits, they give you some hope.
Sandy: yeah, I'm gonna need to get pulled through after that last song.
Sam: Like this as a capstone to the year. Just get through it and we'll be alright.
Sandy: "I'd rather feel your heat on a wicked winter day" what a cool line
Sam: And yet they never make their songs sentimental. It's got that sad tinge to it, even as it looks with hope towards the future.
Sandy: it's honoring the sadness

Sam: And that's it.
Sandy: whoa
Sam: Quality album.
KnockedOutLoaded: thanks!
Sandy: what a revelatioin
Sam: Glad you enjoyed it.
KnockedOutLoaded: and there are 14 more!
Sam: Oh yea, they're a great group. Probably my favorite Christmas album
Bondo: I know I didn't contribute much to chat, was just kind of sitting back and letting it roll over me
Sam: Nothing wrong with that, Bondo.
Sandy: i'm stupefied! how do i go about my day after that? Thanks, Sam!
Sam: Load up on some Over the Rhine on your phone.
Sandy: will do!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on December 27, 2016, 10:56:37 PM
Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, December 28
Time: 10:00 a.m. CST


We are a go for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 27, 2016, 11:49:11 PM
Yes! Thanks for posting that, Bondo. Looking forward to your album! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on December 28, 2016, 09:58:28 AM
It appears dubtrack.fm may be down right now.
Let's convene in the chatzy room (http://us21.chatzy.com/filmspotting) and I can link the videos for play there.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on December 30, 2016, 12:52:32 AM
Chat from Bring It Back is forthcoming (hopefully Sunday), when my life gets a little bit less crowded. It was a great listen!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 03, 2017, 10:05:50 PM
Bring It Back (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fnf8_qsPbs&list=PLkcwscCMipuGMkg5m-gaEHaYWLqNjJmbF#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )

Bondo: As an introduction to Mates of State, my very first introduction was the second track on this album, which was part of a set of free downloads from Apple. I had casually listened to it, but liked it, when they happened to be the opening act when I went to see Death Cab for Cutie, at which point I was sold on them.
Sandy: I've never heard the name Mates of State. Not sure if I know any of their songs. I'm not sure if I know songs from Death Cab for Cutie either, but I'm guessing i do. What is their biggest hit?
Bondo: Hmm, probably Soul Meets Body
Sandy: ...i like it, but I don't think I've heard it before

"Think Long"
Bondo: So this is a married couple, she's on keyboard, he's on drums...and that's it
Sandy: easy to travel that way
Bondo: One thing that is interesting is she has a lovely voice, his...enthusiastic...somehow that works
Sandy: she looks like a doll on the album cover. how well known is this group?
Bondo: "Can you feel it surround me? I think it'll drown me."
Sandy: well said/sung!
Bondo: They don't get standard radio play, but among the music writer beat they are well known...featured on NPR best albums of the year podcasts a couple times I think. One of the songs from this album was on a couple commercials.

"Fraud in the 80's"
Sandy: have they been around very long?
Bondo: I saw them in like 2006 and that was like their third album
Sandy: they have their followers then and will continue on a little under the radar.
Bondo: They do have some slower songs, but this is more typical of their style...very up and energetic. Music to strut to, in the Slate Culture Gabfest terminology
Sandy: I was just typing about if the concerts they do, if there's a lot of dancing going on
Bondo: Hmm, not quite sure about that. Death Cab is known as emo so I don't think its necessarily the dancing crowd
Sandy: the music does make me feel like dancing.

"Like U Crazy"
Sandy: interesting video. "I can't wait to say all the things you can't see. All the things that make you better." it's a great line. I believe we all could use someone who could do that. 
Bondo: well that escalated quickly
Sandy: what does this mean to you?
Sandy: now they're space ghosts!
Bondo: I think it's about telling someone how great they are when they don't see it themselves

"Beautiful Dreamer"
Sandy: I like their little sound. simple and clean
Bondo: This is probably my favorite to this point
Sandy: I was going to ask you if you had a favorite song. When it says, "I just want to feel the taste of the meal and not the routine of dining here" it reminds me of eternal sunshine of the spotless mind
Bondo: It's an interesting statement...if it were in the relationship it's like I want the ideal of you, not the negatives that come with actually being with you
Sandy: I really like the line "We'll be so sorry if we got to the shadow of death having missed all the sun on your face." It's complex, if that's the interpretation. I need more time with this song
Bondo: as earnest as their sound is, the lyrics are not obvious or literal, very poetic
Sandy: yes, very! This one makes me want to sit and ponder. I can see why it's your favorite

"What It Means"
Sandy: a little beatlesque
Bondo: I can defeinitely hear that... This is actually my least favorite on the album
Sandy: anything honoring the Beatles is good by me. do the lyrics not speak to you, or the sound?
Bondo: Yeah, but it sounds like the Beatles songs I also don't like as much   
Sandy: haha!
Bondo: Maybe it is because I don't know What It Means
Sandy: haha again!!
Sandy: I don't know what it means either. any of it. but "gather up your friends and show off a smile" anyway!
Bondo: I think this next one is the one that got commercial play, by which I mean, it was in commercials   

"For The Actor"
Sandy: ...gosh this one is very dense with meaning
Bondo: Haha, I got nothing this time
Sandy: I wonder what "... in the basement of words we knew" means.
Bondo: I do love this song too
Sandy: "legs are for discovering" speaks to me... move forward!
Bondo: "Don't want to make you grow numb If it's not what you thought it was Legs are for discovering" says to me I don't want you to become bitter in the relationship, so if it isn't working you can (use your legs) and find something new. I seem to find pessimistic readings of everything...and from a married couple no less
Sandy: I like your interpretation
Bondo: I especially like the end of the song when they start layering the melodies
Sandy: I want to spend more time with that one too!

"Nature And The Wreck"
Sandy: pretty
Bondo: The end reveals it as a bit of a lullaby... a love beyond words
Sandy: sweet...  this one elicits little words from me.
You need me to put you in the trees!" It's what love should do for each other, don't you think?
Bondo: I don't know what that means. makes you bloom leaves?
Sandy: it makes me think that the one you love is lifting you up, bringing you to a more beautiful place. do you think that's what it could mean?
Bondo: either would work

"So Many Ways"
Bondo: "I think we overestimate our places underground"...I think this is saying banking on the afterlife for happiness instead of creating it in this world by caring for others
Sandy: oh, yes. I asked the kids in the room, what this song reminded them of and without missing a beat they both said, "nothing and everything!" :D  ...They're singing along. catchy song
Bondo: Haha. Yeah, that's another of my favorites (he says like six times on the album)
Sandy: good laughter in the room here! I don't think you can have too many favorites!!
Bondo: They have a song called Ha Ha on another album
Sandy: :) 
 
"Punchlines"
Sandy: what do you think this one means?
Bondo: They play with repetition in an interesting way, and a way that doesn't make it feel repetitive. I think this one also kind of speaks about death to some level
Sandy: thanks! It was lost on me. very opaque.
Bondo: Alright, last track of the album (mine has a bonus track but I'm not sure that is on youtube)

"Running Out"
Sandy: what do you think it will bring them closer to?
Bondo: with the "tired of singing" refrain, it is a perfect last track
Sandy: it's an unraveling kind of song. winding down. You're right
Bondo: Closer to the end?
Sandy: what do you mean?
Sandy: oh!
Sandy: you were answering my question!!
Bondo: yep   
Sandy: i was lost in this song.
Bondo: I wish I could get the bonus track for it...it is also lovely
Sandy: I love when I get to hear wholly new groups, to me. even though they've been around for a good while
Bondo: They are such a different sound than pretty much anything else out there
Sandy: They are unique!
Bondo: Thanks for joining in to listen
Sandy: thanks! that was excellent
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on January 04, 2017, 01:55:22 AM
Join us this Thursday at 10:30 AM Central Time for the classic...

Thick as a Brick
by Jethro Tull, (otherwise known as "the guitar band with the flute")

Gerald Bostock, a genius poet at 8 years old, offered his long poem about the trials of growing up to a child's poetry competition.  It's themes were too controversial for the judges, who kicked him out of the competition.  Ian Anderson, the lead of Jethro Tull, decided to put the whole poem to music, filling the entire album with this one song.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on January 04, 2017, 06:24:11 AM
Awesome choice! Unfortunately my (wife's) calendar has other plans. :(
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on January 04, 2017, 08:26:11 AM
I should be able to make it.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 04, 2017, 05:03:34 PM
I'm happy you'll walk us through this album, oldkid! See you in the booth!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 04, 2017, 11:12:25 PM
Hey everyone!

Let me tell you the tales of your life



Tomorrow Morning! (Thursday, Jan. 5th), 10:30 a.m. (CST)



We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 05, 2017, 06:49:58 AM
Oooo, I'll try to join, but it'll depend on how long my meeting goes this morning.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 05, 2017, 01:02:40 PM
Thick as a Brick (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9JEPeeohYs#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )

oldkid: So allow me to begin with an introduction. First of all, this story I posted: Gerald Bostock, a genius poet at 8 years old, offered his long poem about the trials of growing up to a child's poetry competition. It's themes were too controversial for the judges, who kicked him out of the competition. Ian Anderson, the lead of Jethro Tull decided to make the entire poem a single, epic song which filled the album Thick as a Brick. That story is a fiction, placed on the cover of the album.
Sam: That makes a lot of sense. I always thought this album felt kiddish, not in a bad way
Junior: we've got ourselves a concept album
oldkid: No eight year old, I believe would come up with a poem including a line "Your sperm's in the gutter, your loves in the sink"
Junior: lol
Sandy: right! when I was reading some of the lyrics last night, I thought no eight year old could know all of this, at least before the age of the internet
Bondo: I think Aqualung is the only JT song I'm familiar with.
oldkid: Well, it's kind of a concept album.
Sam: But they use some of the poem, right?
oldkid: After Aqualung, everyone was calling Jethro Tull a prog rock band, which Ian Anderson denied. He said Aqualung wasn't prog rock.
Sam: (But it totally is)
oldkid: So he decided to write what he calls a "parody" of prog rock, an album with a single song and a story which makes no sense. Here's the deal, Sam is right: this is totally prog rock. The story behind the song is a parody, but the song, the album is not.
Junior: complicated!
oldkid: This is one of the best prog rock albums, a rock suite. And the lyrics are full of anguish and real (adult) heartache. Maybe it's more of a sermon against the modern age.
Bondo: So prog is emo with more complex instrumentation?
Sam: 21st Century Skitzoid Boy. No, it's more philosophical
oldkid: But certainly prog rock, of some sort, whether intended as a parody or not
Same: Gentle Giant and Yes are very upbeat bands. As is Emmerson Lake and Palmer.
oldkid: I had a friend who called prog rock "symphonic rock"
Bondo: I have heard of one of those bands.
oldkid: How about Pink Floyd
Bondo: Arcade Fire=neo-prog
oldkid: Dark Side of the Moon is a prog rock album
Bondo: I'm a big fan of Alan Parsons Project so I'm cool with prog
Sam: As is The Wall, Animals, Wish You Were Here.
oldkid: There ya go. Usually prog has a concept for their albums, and they borrow music styles from classical. Like the symphony, in this case. One last thing before we begin. The lyrics are long and many are hard to hear. The lyrics are here, if you want to follow: https://play.google.com/music/preview/Tkg46sguoejnrbltzyhj5uib3ji?lyrics=1&utm_source=google&utm_medium=search&utm_campaign=lyrics&pcampaignid=kp-lyrics. Ready to begin?
Sam: yup
Junior: are you saying I should stop writing a gaint facebook manifesto and listen to words?
Sandy: :)
oldkid: It's up to you. The radio really played the introduction to the song, ending here
Sam: I may make you feel, but I can't make you think. such a good line.
oldkid: There are a lot of good lines
Sam: And your wise men don't know how it feels to be think as a brick.
oldkid: Exactly.
Sam: An intellectual song about ignorance?
oldkid: I've always thought he was mocking people with less intelligence, but now I wonder if he's sympathizing with them
Sam: I've never felt like this song is mocking.
oldkid: In a sense, this song is a laundry list of problems in our society
Sam: True.
oldkid: But with a fine rhyme scheme
Bondo: "Suntan does rapidly peel" feels like it is calling out how temporary superficial concerns are.
oldkid: "sand castle virtues"
Sam: Love this little bit leading up to this line. That electric guitar.
oldkid: This is the end of the radio play song, which is really the introduction. The guitar is the beginning of the song proper
Sam: Monopoly is a terrible game.
Junior: monopoly is fun. and you get to make jokes about capitalism as you play
Sam: Literally every other game you play is better designed than monopoly.
oldkid: Monopoly was created to display the evils of capitalism. Socialists don't know how to design games very well
Bondo: I play a communist version of Monopoly, you just divide all the wealth of the game equally between all people and then call it game over
Sam: Tetris was pretty good.
Junior: lol
oldkid: He was a secret capitalist (lie). This instrumental section is great
Sam: I love how much prog rock uses piano/keyboards.
oldkid: The organ is great here
Sam: Yea, and organ, lots of organ.
Junior: i do love a good organ. is there gonna be some sax up in this piece!?!?!?!?
oldkid: I don't think there's any sax here, though
Sam: Listen to Close to the Edge for some of the best organ music you will ever here... There is sperm in the gutter, thought. And the youngest of the family is moving with authority.
Junior: well, that's fine, I guess. It'll only reach a 9/10 without sax, but that'll still be pretty good.
Sam: Youth as authority.
oldkid: Militant youth. Classic metal guitar
Junior: i've got the senate asking about russian hacking and there's not a youth in sight. makes you wonder if more young people were allowed and encouraged to hold positions of power what might happen
Bondo: participation trophies for all!
Sandy: :)
oldkid: "Let's take a map of the world, tear it into pieces and let all the boys and the girls see how easy it is" -Depeche mode
Sam: I love the pastoral imagery. Common in Prog Rock
Bondo: Ooh, milking girls, I see where this is going
about an hour ago
Sam: Especially early year Genesis, when they played good music.
oldkid: Peter Gabriel always played good music
Sam: Yup
oldkid: I wonder if this is part of the parody. Prog rock of the time, especially EL&P promoted youth culture
Sandy: i feel like I'm at the ball park
Sam: haha
oldkid: LOL. Yeah, it's just like that
Sandy: Steve, this is so great! I feel like I could listen to it all day.
Junior: this is my favorite part so far
oldkid:
I often do.
Sam: Gotta love the musical interludes. That flute. Another well-used instrument of prog rock.
oldkid: I'll listen to it when writing, over and over
Sandy: it's so forward moving. I could get a lot of work done to this
Sam: I'm getting work done to it right now. Got about 75 lines left of pass one. Then I gotta look up a bunch of stuff for pass two
Bondo: fife and drum, like marching off to war
oldkid: The flute in Tull I always felt was like a hummingbird, floating, on and around the themes.
Sam: I'll judge you all and make damn sure that no-one judges me. My life philosophy
Bondo: I judge myself
Sam: As do I
oldkid: I judge everyone.
Junior: I always dismissed JT because it was the band that won that best metal album grammy even though it had flute. Metal isn't really my thing anyways. and prog rock is on the very edges of what I like. But this does actually work for me, mostly.
Sam: Then you should listen to Close to the Edge. Love that little organ part
Bondo: stop it with the dick jokes
Sandy: I Get Up I Get Down!
Sam: ;D
Bondo: what did I just say Sandy!
Sandy: haha! what an opportune connection, without intention!
Bondo: :D
Sandy: I'm going to listen to that album Sam. love that song.
Sam: The other two songs are goo...   good.
Sandy: i was hoping you meant goo, like it put you in a puddle of happiness
Sam: It does for me.
Junior: as I've grown older I've leaned into the melodramatic and cheese in my taste. this fits right in there, especially with its parodic nature
oldkid: I have to challenge Ian's claim that this is parody. It's too angry, and pointed. He really wants someone to listen to him, like that eight year old.
Bondo: if you take them at their word that they did this as parody due to frustration with how they were labeled, it would seem they'd get sick of performing it after a spell
oldkid: Now we are at the end of part one, the end of the first side of the album. I love this end.
Sam: Yea, like how it goes back and forth
Sandy: it reminds me of some of the sounds in August Rush
Sam: kinda like the end of Moonchild.
oldkid: I think they did. They played the intro for a while, but let it off. It was never a popular album of theirs because it was only one song, with one hit.

Part 2
oldkid: At the beginning of part 2, you have a echo of the end of the end of the first part
Junior: this seems like the Hot Fuzz style of parody. at once pointing out the sillier parts of a genre while embracing it exactly for that silliness. maybe I'm just reading into it what I'd like it to be. but it fits with what I've seen and heard so far.
oldkid: I think that could be true. The lyrics now speak of how the young man of war becomes an older man of "peace"
Junior: is that you or the band putting "peace" in quotations?
oldkid: That's me
Bondo: old men don't fight, they have young men fight for them
oldkid: See there! A man born and we pronounce him fit for peace There's a load lifted from his shoulders with the discovery of his disease We'll take the child from him Put it to the test Teach it to be a wise man How to fool the rest
Bondo: Cats are definitely always on the upgrade
oldkid: The chaos of transfer gives way to a placid "peace." This all leads to the next war.
Junior: that's a pretty pessimistic view of the education system. or at least the idea that smart people are only out to fool dummies.
Bondo: smart people can't fool dummies, only dummies can do that
oldkid: The poet and the wise man stand behind the gun and signal for the crack of dawn. It is a pessimistic view of government, literature, and education, all. They work together for the military-industrial complex
Junior: oh boy. music doesn't, though? or are we getting to that?
oldkid: I'm sure "the poet" includes music
Bondo: he who was "sheathing his pen" with the milking girl?
Junior: ah, that makes sense.
oldkid: "Believe in the day"-- the dawn of war. The call of all society to stand behind the cause of war
Junior: i'm trying to figure out what we're supposed to make of all of this. it's not an indictment of each of those institutions on the whole but rather when they are used to incite war?
Sam: I should take a break from this spreadsheet. Getting cross-eyed.
oldkid: Primarily, it is a condemnation of "young men in castles" who build society to continue this cycle, and those who join in his focus. He keeps returning his attention to them. He says he will tell us a tale of the poor and lowly, but he returns to them. Why? because he already told us those tales in Aqualung
Junior: ah, that's interesting
oldkid: Aqualung is about reality as Ian sees it; Thick is about the facade
Bondo: Pairs well with They Live
oldkid: And the real reason young Gerald is rejected from the competition is not because he's too young for these themes, but because he rejects the thrust of his society
Junior: nifty. there's some nuance you can get at in such a long work. it's the Fanny and Alexander (TV Cut) effect. right, i'm into it
oldkid: It works best in a setting like this, where we can explore the themes. But long songs like this make me forget them after a while, they just roll over me
Sam: love this slowdown
Sandy: your convo is what is helping me. I need the commentary with the music to make sense of it
Junior: keeping engaged is super helpful, certainly
Sam: Marching beat.
Junior: there's marching beats all over this thing
oldkid: I never noticed all the military themes in the music before, but it really is all throughout. Wow, I'm getting so much more out of it with you guys.
Sam: That's how it's supposed to work, right?
Sandy: yes!
oldkid: Yep... "We'll have Superman for president"
Bondo: I rarely listen to music critically
oldkid: And now back to the beginning
Bondo: Kind of a Bob Dylan ending
Sam: And scene.
oldkid: Almost breaking down at the end there. I mean, his voice
Sandy: yes, his voice is barely holding it together
Junior: killer ending to be sure
Sandy: And so the question is, what now?
Junior: makes me wonder about how they recorded it in studio and if they ever played the whole thing live
oldkid: They have. Makes me wonder how, it's really complex.
Junior: must be exhausting
oldkid: But they work hard as a band
Sam: My friend has a Floyd tribute band and they played all of The Wall and half of Dark Side as the encore. He's crazy
Junior: that's insane
oldkid: Ian Anderson has a follow up album to Thick as a Brick, with five different stories about what happened to Gerald in his later life. It is unimaginatively titled Thick as a Brick 2. I never heard it, of course.

"Skating Away on the Thin Ice of a New Day" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Z2RzVhw4rE#no)
Sandy: thanks for this encore song and for the album!
oldkid: You're welcome.
Sandy: Good to have you all here!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 09, 2017, 07:22:52 PM
Next up, my turn...

(http://i66.tinypic.com/2i0yn0k.jpg)

Album: Forever Changes
Artist: Love
Year: 1967


“Love's Forever Changes made only a minor dent on the charts when it was first released in 1967, but years later it became recognized as one of the finest and most haunting albums to come out of the Summer of Love, which doubtless has as much to do with the disc's themes and tone as the music, beautiful as it is. Sharp electric guitars dominated most of Love's first two albums, and they make occasional appearances here on tunes like "A House Is Not a Motel" and "Live and Let Live," but most of Forever Changes is built around interwoven acoustic guitar textures and subtle orchestrations, with strings and horns both reinforcing and punctuating the melodies.

The punky edge of Love's early work gave way to a more gentle, contemplative, and organic sound on Forever Changes, but while Arthur Lee and Bryan MacLean wrote some of their most enduring songs for the album, the lovely melodies and inspired arrangements can't disguise an air of malaise that permeates the sessions. A certain amount of this reflects the angst of a group undergoing some severe internal strife, but Forever Changes is also an album that heralds the last days of a golden age and anticipates the growing ugliness that would dominate the counterculture in 1968 and 1969; images of violence and war haunt "A House Is Not a Motel," the street scenes of "Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hillsdale" reflects a jaded mindset that flower power could not ease, the twin specters of race and international strife rise to the surface of "The Red Telephone," romance becomes cynicism in "Bummer in the Summer," the promise of the psychedelic experience decays into hard drug abuse in "Live and Let Live," and even gentle numbers like "Andmoreagain" and "Old Man" sound elegiac, as if the ghosts of Chicago and Altamont were visible over the horizon as Love looked back to brief moments of warmth. Forever Changes is inarguably Love's masterpiece and an album of enduring beauty, but it's also one of the few major works of its era that saw the dark clouds looming on the cultural horizon, and the result was music that was as prescient as it was compelling.”  -- Mark Deming


Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, Jan. 11th
Time: 10:30 a.m. (CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on January 09, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
Sounds great.  I'll try to be there.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on January 09, 2017, 10:13:29 PM
School started back up this week so unfortunately Tuesday and Thursday mornings are out again.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 10, 2017, 12:33:37 AM
School started back up this week so unfortunately Tuesday and Thursday mornings are out again.

Bondo, I changed the day to Wed. at 10:30 a.m. CST! oldkid, said he could try for that day too.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on January 10, 2017, 08:01:23 AM
Thanks, that should work.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 10, 2017, 10:05:53 PM
Hey everyone!

When you say it's gonna happen "now," well when exactly do you mean?


Tomorrow Morning! (Wednesday, Feb. 15th), 10:00 a.m. (CST)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 11, 2017, 08:06:07 PM
Forever Changes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1L11Y0I5E0#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )

(I was late to the party so missed getting to talk with Knocked Out Loaded and Bondo. Perhaps they'll chime in with their take, if they get a chance to listen to the album!)

"Alone Again Or"
oldkid: Very pleasant. Spanish guitar
colonel_mexico: ive never heard of this group, whats the year of release?
Sandy: this is 1967
oldkid: The best albums came out in the 60s
Sandy: are you familiar with the group, oldkid?
oldkid: I don't think so.
colonel_mexico: i like the spanish sound. sounds really epic. we are about to go on a journey, about to take a walk with a hobbit to mordor
Sandy: :))
oldkid: Sounds a bit like 10 Years After here
Sandy: this is the song that I was familiar with before choosing the album, but I'm not sure if I know any of the others. I do love this song so much! The trumpets especially

"A House Is Not a Motel"
Sandy: I know this one too! Didn't know who the group was though.
colonel_mexico: i like the ["A House Is Not a Motel"] guitar changes, the beat is like a march. this is essentially the old school prog stuff, the precursor to my beloved mars volta
Sandy: it is! what a great comparison. no wonder mars volta speaks to me
oldkid: This album was names #40 in Rolling Stones 500 all time grteatest albums list
colonel_mexico: wow, impressive, im glad im getting to hear this

"Andmoreagain"
Sandy: I know this one too! wow this is weird
colonel_mexico: old memories?
Sandy: one of my older siblings or someone must have had an album, it's like way back in my grey matter
oldkid: the quality is consistently good. Really pleasant, very listenable
colonel_mexico: yes very.  the guy singing just reminds me so much of the guy who sang in the hobbit cartoon from
oldkid: Glen Yarborough?
colonel_mexico: was that his name?
Sandy: oh! we have the music from that cartoon memorized around here... 
colonel_mexico: haha! awesome!
Sandy: frodo of the nine fingers!
colonel_mexico: lol yep
Steve: Wow, I'm so trying to forget....
Sandy: haha!   ... this song is so "sighable"
For you can see you in her eyes
Then you feel your heart beating
Thrum-pum-pum-pum
:)

"The Daily Planet"
oldkid: Love this bass. Sounds like Who's Tommy. I could be wrong. The Daily Planet is my favorite so far.
Sandy: the guitarist really shines too.  [this is interesting]
The title of the album came from a story that Lee had heard about a friend-of-a-friend who had broken up with his girlfriend. She exclaimed, "You said you would love me forever!," and he replied, "Well, forever changes." Lee also noted that since the name of the band was Love, the full title was actually Love Forever Changes.

"The Old Man."
oldkid: Good violins.
Sandy: [It's a song about good advice regarding love, but doesn't say what the advice is! I wish I knew what the tiny ivory ball meant and what was in the small brown leather book.}

"The Red Telephone"
Sandy: this music is completely immersive. it's taking over all my senses, like a teleport to somewhere. oldkid, what you said about it being #40 is very impressive
oldkid: You should see all the other recognition it's gotten.
Sandy: I hadn't even heard of the group's name until fairly recently
oldkid: This is one of the great albums of the 60s
Sandy: and now it's been discovered here!
oldkid: The lyrics aren't remarkable, but the music is fantastic
Sandy: "we're taking the hobbits to isendard!" ...that's what their chant reminded me of. thanks to the Col. referencing all things Tolkein earlier
oldkid: Ha

"Maybe the People Would Be the Times or Between Clark and Hilldale"
Sandy: Hear that guitarist! the title, what a mouth full.
oldkid: Herb Albert joins in?
Sandy: it sounds like it! My parents were really into Herb Albert
oldkid: Diane really likes a couple of his albums
Sandy: they're feel good music
oldkid: Live and let live
Sandy: what else are you learning about the band?
oldkid: This album actually is expressing doubt about the flower power movement. The band Love was in competition with the Doors, who were on the same label
Sandy: it was a step ahead of the film industry then and everything else really
oldkid: That guitar came out of nowhere!
Sandy: !
oldkid: This band strongly influences the Who
Sandy: we should do a the who album! I'm not very versed in them
oldkid: I love the Who
Sandy: I've loved what I've heard! that guitar you spoke of sounds like an outcry. listen to me! As if the normal channels of communication weren't working
oldkid: There he is again
Sandy: and the key change to capture attention too
oldkid: And tempo up. Great song
Sandy: what an amazing avenue to find a way to convey a need to express

"The Good Humor Man Sees Everything Like This"
Sandy: did you visit the ice cream truck a lot when you were a kid?
oldkid: My parents wouldn't give me the money. So the ice cream truck was failed hope to me
Sandy: mine either. i once in a while scraped together something. mostly the truck came and went without me. I've had plenty of ice cream in my life, so it's all good
colonel_mexico: hey sorry, phone calls all the same time!
Sandy: multi tasker!
oldkid: I'm cooking food for a shelter
Sandy: wish I could help
oldkid: Me too. Tough to type and stir at the same time
colonel_mexico: yes i enjoy cooking as well
Sandy: :)
colonel_mexico: i was going to say so this is probably part of the soundtrack of the free love/hippie generations?
oldkid: I'm sure it is. But if so, they misunderstood it. But it is all about the joys of everyday life, so that fits
Sandy: do you think it is a misunderstanding or like you said, a response to it?
colonel_mexicomanager: kind of rapping right here
Sandy: ahead of their time. kind of Dlyanesque too
colonel_mexico: the guitar stuff reminds a little of America
Sandy: it does! looking them up... didn't realize that America is an English band!
colonel_mexico: it reminds me of a song from the album that has horse with no name
Sandy: wonder if Love influenced America's sound
oldkid: Perhaps a bit
Sandy: so memorable, that song!
oldkid: America is british? But... what?
Sandy: yeah i know!
oldkid: Songs about California...
Sandy: NO, i lied! it was formed in England. sons of Air Force personnel stationed there. oops!
oldkid: Ah
Sandy: now all is right in the world.
oldkid: I feel better, that's for sure
Sandy: :D
colonel_mexico: air force brats!
Sandy: it's make a band or join football, right, Col?
colonel_mexico: or baseball :) 
oldkid: America is one of my original bands

"Bummer in the Summer"
colonel_mexico: this seems so much more structured and weird, unlike the strangeness of Sgt. Peppers that is just straight weird, this feels more hopeful, and cant help but wonder if the lyrics are meant to be didactic?
Sandy: I think so, Col. They have something they want to get across. It's not just music exploration
colonel_mexico: right, seems that way. im not at all familiar with this, just an observation
Sandy: perceptive observation

"You Set the Scene"
oldkid:This album reminds me a bit of Moody Blues Days of Future Past and CSNY. Everyday stuff in bold music
Sandy: ooh, we should do a moody blues album! this song has some others it's echoing, but I can't put my finger on which ones. one's from the fifties and the other is during this time period.
colonel_mexico: trumpet solos
oldkid: The producer of this album had just finished working with Neil Young and Buffalo Springfield
colonel_mexico: nice. very cool sandy thanks
Sandy: I'll remember them in the middle of the night, I just know it!
oldkid: Interesting ending. I'll be putting this on my playlist
Sandy: there was some sgt. pepper after all. 
colonel_mexico: haha yeah
Sandy:  thank you guys for hanging out!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: mañana on January 11, 2017, 10:10:01 PM
Bottle Rocket (https://youtu.be/KSujX2rjhqU#noembed) used Alone Again Or really well.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on January 12, 2017, 07:08:34 AM
This album is like a fragile construction. It was a nice conversation. Thanks for that clip, it made me smile. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 29, 2017, 03:35:48 PM
Bottle Rocket (https://youtu.be/KSujX2rjhqU#noembed) used Alone Again Or really well.

:) I haven't seen this movie, but could tell from that first shot, it was Wes Anderson. Added to my watchlist!

He really does know how to pick great music for his films.

This album is like a fragile construction.

wonderful phrase!

Quote
It was a nice conversation.

If I hadn't been late, you could have joined in! I'll be on time for the next one. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 29, 2017, 03:55:49 PM
Next up, Knocked Out Loaded's turn...

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Album: The Days of Wine and Roses
Artist: The Dream Syndicate
Year: 1982


“With few exceptions, the bands that rose from L.A.'s Paisley Underground scene in the '80s had only one real thing in common -- all of them were obsessed with the rock & roll touchstones of the mid- to late '60s, whether it was psychedelia (the Rain Parade), country rock (the Long Ryders), or AM pop (the Bangles). But while most of these bands looked to the sunny side of '60s rock, the Dream Syndicate were the Paisley Underground's juvenile delinquents, smart but cynical and happy to spread bad vibes for the hell of it. Nearly all of the Paisley bands were audibly Californian, but while they hailed from Davis, California, the Dream Syndicate's key influences were significantly from the East Coast: the Velvet Underground (particularly White Light/White Heat), and mid-'60s Bob Dylan (think Highway 61 Revisited).

At the core of their sound was the bracing thrust and parry between Karl Precoda's lead guitar, noisy and elemental but inspired in its wanderlust, and the sharp report of Steve Wynn's rhythm guitar, yielding a tougher and more abrasive sound than their peers. Consequently, the Dream Syndicate's debut album, 1982's The Days of Wine and Roses, is arguably the finest LP to come out of the Paisley Underground's salad days, and ultimately atypical of the movement, a blast of beautiful but ominous rock & roll chaos whose speedy guitar-based attack was held in place by the intelligent minimalism of bassist Kendra Smith and drummer Dennis Duck...”  -- Mark Deming


Listening Booth
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2017, 11:00:00 AM in your time zone! (11:00 a.m. CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 30, 2017, 07:27:45 PM
Hey everyone!


There is a place you might wanna go... You might look and see the light shining



Tomorrow Morning! January 31, 2017, 11:00:00 AM in your time zone. (11:00 a.m. CST)

We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on January 31, 2017, 03:58:08 PM
The Days of Wine and Roses (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx54avw3plE#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


KnockedOutLoaded: i've barely heard [the album] in 30 years or so. i listened to a lot of american groups for the first half of the 80's and there was a LA label called slash records, kinda underground. these were on the label
oldkid: I'm assuming it has nothing to do with the movie by Blake Edwards?
KnockedOutLoaded: i dont think so
Sandy: it might come from the poem

"Tell me When It's Over"
KnockedOutLoaded: these and other acts on slash spoke to me musically. i don't listen so much to lyrics
Sandy: I'm trying to do that more, let the music take me
oldkid: "They are not long, the days of wine and roses: Out of a misty dream Our path emerges for a while, then closes Within a dream."
Sandy: a very good inspiration for an album. I'd like to think it did inspire them.
oldkid: The first song reminds me of Simple Minds.
Sandy: funny, I'm thinking of the song, "don't you forget about me" and low and behold it's Simple Minds!
KnockedOutLoaded: it is! no simple minds connection on these shores though.
Sandy: :)

"Definitely Clean"
Sandy: the first part of the poem goes with some of the songs too. "They are not long, the weeping and the laughter, Love and desire and hate..."
oldkid: This one has more punk in it
KnockedOutLoaded: it has. or maybe pop... their prime inspiration source many thinks is velvet underground
oldkid: Short album, only nine songs... Nice bass line
KnockedOutLoaded: it was like that, then! an album was 40 minutes
Sandy: I liked that song

"That's What You Always Say"
Usually albums at that time had ten songs, unless one song was long. The title song here is seven minutes, which is a bit long
KnockedOutLoaded: it is. i never thought about how many songs an album contained
oldkid: Five songs for each side of a disc
Sandy: I think it's interesting that you heard this group in Sweden, KOL and I'm only a few states away and never heard them.
KnockedOutLoaded: you were in a different water, sandy
Sandy: I was! I missed out. so glad there is the listening booth!
KnockedOutLoaded: i was into the whole slash catalogue, los lobos, x, violent femmes and so on
Sandy: cool jangly guitar here

"Then She Remembers"
oldkid: Each song has a different sound
KnockedOutLoaded: you think so, oldkid? i think it is very homogenous
oldkid: Yes. The first was a smooth pop. This song is a rough, more independent sound, almost the opposite of the first.
KnockedOutLoaded: that's an interesting observation. i just hear the guitar wails. very little dynamics
Sandy: he wails well!
oldkid: True that
KnockedOutLoaded: his name is steve wynn. he went solo later

"Halloween"
KnockedOutLoaded: this is slower but the guitar wail is similar
oldkid: I really like this one. I love how the guitars blend.
Sandy: I'm being swept back to the 80's, pretty nostalgic. it's what music should do! ...though it brings me further back... the 60's, but I wasn't immersed then, so it's future retro
oldkid: Very cool solo. Different. I wonder what he was doing?
Sandy: it is. the article I'm reading says, "guitar interplay" whatever that is.
KnockedOutLoaded: do anyone of you play an instrument?
Sandy: I play very, very little piano. simple songs. how about you?. Do you play an instrument?...
KnockedOutLoaded: no, sandy, i play nothing!
Sandy: We are the audience, then!
oldkid: I guess they were also heavily influenced by Neil Young. I can certainly hear that. Nice song.

"When You Smile"
KnockedOutLoaded: neil young and crazy horse is a good bet
Sandy: feedback as music! 
oldkid: This one reminds me more of the Doors
Sandy: his voice, especially
KnockedOutLoaded: and the velvet undergound. i also hear a lot of television, a vu derivative
oldkid: And the guitar work on The End
Sandy: This is one of the songs where the lyrics stood out to me, when going through them last night. "When you smile, I don't know what to do 'cause I could lose everything in a minute or two..."

"Until Lately"
Sandy: now we are in a beatnik bar
oldkid: Lol... I read that The Dream Syndicate was very influential on underground 80s bands. They opened for U2 and REM
Sandy: huh. If I had been able to then, I would have seen them! I would have gone to a U2 concert if it were possible... I wonder if The Teardrop Explodes listened to this. I hear them in this song
oldkid: Harmonica!
KnockedOutLoaded: but their career never took off as it should
Sandy: ahead of their time?
KnockedOutLoaded: or too few melodies?
oldkid: Too simple, too basic. The very thing that made them important to underground bands is what made them difficult to play on the radio
KnockedOutLoaded: they were prior. that is a great conclusion, oldkid. about being ahead
Sandy: scaffolding perhaps
oldkid: I liked that song.

"Too Little, Too Late"
oldkid: Nice feel to this. Very floydish... Female vocalist?
KnockedOutLoaded: yes. i wonder who
oldkid: Kendra Smith, the bass player
KnockedOutLoaded: oh!
Sandy: she has a little Nico in her
oldkid: Definitely.

"The Days of Wine and Roses"
Sandy: This band feels like a puzzle piece needed to fill in the bigger music picture
oldkid: Exactly. They are drawing from older bands and they influenced other, later bands. but they make sense of a lot of 80s music. This isn't an album I would listen to much, I think, but I'm glad to know it for music history.
KnockedOutLoaded: i never listened a lot to it back then. i think they were better live than on record
Sandy: ...Ramones here? fast
oldkid: Not Ramones fast 
Sandy: nope. the song would have been over already
oldkid: :)
Sandy: innovated guitar here too, using it like a new toy, figuring out what sounds it can make. this song makes me smile
oldkid: I like this guitar.
KnockedOutLoaded: thanks for paying attention
oldkid: I bet this song was great live
Sandy: great crescendo! ...big finale!
oldkid: Well, that was sudden.
Sandy: haha. whew!
oldkid: Good end, though. I want to hear someone shout, "I got blisters on my fingers!"
KnockedOutLoaded: haha!
Sandy: :D  what other groups did you like from the label?
KnockedOutLoaded: violent femmes, x, los lobos
Sandy: oh, that's right! you wrote those. i'll look into them
KnockedOutLoaded: and some on other labels: true west, rain parade, long ryders, divine horseman
Sandy: wow, you really are versed in this time period
KnockedOutLoaded: all those were active for a short period, then the grunge came...
Sandy: wonderful pick, KOL! Thanks!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on February 06, 2017, 11:03:45 PM
Sorry everybody, been super busy. How does Thursday at 12 Eastern sound?

We'll be listening to Jamie xx's In Colour, from 2015.

(https://i.scdn.co/image/a7830294681bce03d5d1033b4a98c38bc9dcaedc)

Pitchfork: [W]hen we listen to his music, we aren’t just listening to music played by people in a room. We’re listening to his listening and hearing his hearing; he senses memories in certain sounds—some of which he was there to experience the first time, some of which have been handed down to him—and transforms them into something new and personal.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on February 06, 2017, 11:08:23 PM
I'll be there! :)

Amazing quote, thanks Junior!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on February 07, 2017, 12:23:54 AM
I'll try my best to be there.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on February 09, 2017, 03:19:42 PM
In Colour (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7uRCEJHZMw&list=PLLrz3VWwGXoNXlGx6xoggnGU7BxEitgmB#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )

Junior: you ready to groove out?
Sandy: I'm ready! Do you want to tell us how you found this album?
KnockedOutLoaded: it got some good press here when it was released
Sandy: Sweden is so cutting edge!
Junior: Sure, pretty short story. I was a fan of "the xx," which is a band this guy is in. It's him and two singers, each of which is on a song on this album. They just came out with a new album recently and I was gonna pick that, but it wasn't up on youtube. so i went back to this one, which is by the guy who makes the beats and music for "the xx" because it's super freaking good. maybe the best writing album I've ever heard.
Sandy: that is a huge statement!
KnockedOutLoaded: those were bold words
Sandy: haha!

"Gosh"
Junior: this is a strong start.
Sandy: i like the title
Sandy: the layers!
Junior: oh, it's so good
Sandy: Junior, you really deliver the goods
Junior: love the driving beat. love the high pitched noise thing? love the bleh sound
Sandy: there was a small "poker face" moment in the high pitch
Junior: yeah
Sandy: thumbs up on that one!
Junior: a lot of people who do this kind of "found music" add in those dialogue things, but this is the best use I've heard of it.
KnockedOutLoaded: this is so far from my playing ground
Sandy: though your last album had some great found dialogue, KOL!
Junior: it's not really my usual thing either, but I like the really good stuff

"Sleep Sound"
Junior: the fading in and out on this song is cool
Sandy: it's messing with the pressure in my head.
KnockedOutLoaded: great when in the lounge. sipping cocktails
Sandy: :D
Junior: yeah, if I did that
Sandy: me too
KnockedOutLoaded: i've had my share
Sandy: It's a perfect visual, though!
Junior: the thing, I think, about Jamie xx is that he's never content. he's gonna switch it up all the time
KnockedOutLoaded: you mean between albums? or within?
Junior: i mean within a song
KnockedOutLoaded: oh!
Junior: his music all has the same vibe, but that vibe is of mutability
Sandy: i wanted more of this last song
Junior: like this ends with that cool vocal thing

"SeeSaw"
Junior: hey, look! Singing. so Romy is one of the two vocalists in "the xx"
Sandy: Do you have a favorite song on the album, Junior?
Junior: "i see pictures in my mind" is one of the (several) statements of artistic purpose on this album, I think. yeah, we're getting there. Gosh is probably second or third favorite
Sandy: it's a great beginner. "I see pictures in my mind," is very much what this music makes me think of. He must have an amazing, shifting kaleidoscope of a brain.
Junior: right, it's about creating a place with sound alone
KnockedOutLoaded: i have a hard time to relate to this kind of music. i can appreciate the technical skill but i don't know what to do with the music itself
Junior: bliss out, man! or you can dance to some of the later stuff
KnockedOutLoaded: :)
Sandy: it is a letting go
KnockedOutLoaded: yeah, the functional aspect i get

"Obvs"
Junior: STEEL DRUMS!
Sandy: ha!
Junior: look, a real instrument!
Sandy: the title is great
Junior: the titles are solid on the album throughout
Sandy: are you sure it's a real instrument, or only in our minds?
Junior: heh, anything is possible!
Sandy: it could be all bits and bytes
Junior: I don't often listen to this album just on its own. i'm usually reading or writing when I listen to it and I've found I can focus so easily when I do so
Sandy: it leaves a lot of space for thought
Junior: there are only 3 songs that I listen to outside the album, too. Gosh is one
KnockedOutLoaded: it should be great to drive by
Sandy: and with the driving forward, I can see how you are able to study
Junior: I do very much like how he melded the steel drums to the electronic stuff
Sandy: we're sharing the same vocabulary today, KOL!
KnockedOutLoaded: yes! great minds and such
Sandy: :)
Junior: oops, I lied, it's 4 songs
KnockedOutLoaded: i'll forgive you

"Just Saying"
Junior: A shorty!
Sandy: a play between whale songs, the wind and a didgeridoo
Junior: i buy that. and then a moment of clarity... "what just happened"
Sandy: that ending ping, interesting

"Stranger In A Room"
Junior: ok, this is the other guy in "the xx" and this is song 2 of the 4 that I listen to on a regular basis. there's a little more to latch on to here
Sandy: these are the lyrics that most intrigued me, when I was going through them last night
Junior: yeah, it's a fantastically written song
KnockedOutLoaded: lyrics make the songs more tangible
Sandy: they anchor them, don't they?
KnockedOutLoaded: in a way, yes
Sandy: "You wanna disappear in a crowd, Just a stranger in a room, Wanna change your colors just for the night, With no word of it following you home"
Junior: i think it's interesting that he's addressing somebody else and not just talking about himself
Sandy: yeah, the proverbial we, or the universal we. sometimes the idea of being incognito is compelling
Junior: for sure, but also difficult to deal with as the person interacting with somebody pretending to be somebody else
Sandy: eh, yeah, you're right. So, how do you be unknown, but still fully you?
Junior: who knows!, or is that the only way to still be fully you?
Sandy:  ooh! mind blown! You're on to something there.
Junior: this is the music for blowing minds, I think. the guitar in this one is so great, too

"Hold Tight"
Junior: and we're back to the instrumentals... I think it's really interesting how he uses vocals but not lyrics to create sounds
Sandy: he does separate those two
KnockedOutLoaded: this has an industrial touch. i like it
Sandy: good catch
Junior: it can get lost when its quiet. IF you crank it, it becomes room filling and overwhelming
KnockedOutLoaded: it takes time to learn, you mean?
Junior: I was just talking about volume

"Loud Places"
Junior: especially for this next song. louder volume helps you hear the layers, too.
KnockedOutLoaded: understandable
Junior: this is song 3 of 4. one of my favorites. love the accusatory thing there, "Didn't I take you to higher places, too?"
Sandy: he's hurting in this one
Junior: a disconnect
KnockedOutLoaded: there are some similarities to daft punk....
Sandy: KOL, do you listen to daft punk?
KnockedOutLoaded: yes that random access album was awesome
Sandy: my son really likes daft punk
KnockedOutLoaded: :)
Junior: my god, this song gives me chills. "the xx" is often this kind of breathy thing, but she can sing with real strength too
Sandy: I wasn't sure if it was a male or female voice
Junior: the chorus is guys, I think, and the verses are a woman. the "dink" sounds are so perfect. love a song with clapping in it
Sandy: :) "I feel music in your heights I have never reached such heights." I've known people like this. so shiny, yet unreachable
Junior: yeah. this song makes me feel good and sad at the same time. pretty impressive stuff
Sandy: it is!

"I Know There's Gonna Be (Good Times)"
Junior: and now for something completely different. this is number 1 with a bullet.
Sandy:ha! it is a standout!
Junior: it's so dirty, glorious dirty
Sandy: you mean I quoted a dirty song on the forum?! :D
Junior: but more than that, I love how he's still using vocals as a musical instrument. you can barely understand what is being said, but it sounds so good, and then the best/worst line of the past 5 years, "i'm gonna ride in that p**** like a stroller"
Sandy: haha
Junior: like, wtf
KnockedOutLoaded: is this your fourth song, alex?
Junior: and he shouts it. yeah! this song was controversial
KnockedOutLoaded: that break was good
Junior: so darn good. love the laughter at the end, too
Sandy: they knew they were brash
Junior: people were not expecting a rap song, much less a dirty one on this album, and there's nothing to suggest it leading up to it. but it's moments of surprise like that which really get me into an album

"The Rest Is Noise"
KnockedOutLoaded: i like the monumentality here
Junior: he can be epic as hell, and it totally works. i'd love to see him score a movie... piano! echo-y piano! I think the album art totally fits the album, too. every song is a little different, but they also all fit into a continuum
KnockedOutLoaded: the little label is always there?
Junior: yeah, that's like his name on it. it changes location, i think, on singles and stuff. it's part of an X.

"Girl"
Junior: and now the last song. love the wash of voices here. he pitch shifts the same sample, I think, and stretches it out and stuff, and then it disappears only to return again as a cohesive thing
KnockedOutLoaded: really good base too
Junior: yeah, great stuff there
KnockedOutLoaded: feels so sticky
Junior: "i want your love," but the message gets lost and mixed around in the noise and then it's gone
Sandy: huh
Junior: tada!
KnockedOutLoaded: a nice epitaph
Sandy: was it a dream or did that really happen?
Junior: both!
Sandy: it's like it left without resolving a chord, so my mind is left in limbo. I guess that is so we start the album over again!
KnockedOutLoaded: thanks Junior. it will take some time to get used to, but it was a great introduction
Junior: I can queue up my favorite song from the xx's most recent album, if you'd like a bonus round
Sandy: Sure!
Junior: i think limbo is the place this whole album happens in or, perhaps, in colour
Sandy: :)

"On Hold" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_oA9UmRd4I#no)
Junior: you can hear all three parts, the guy and woman and music working very well together on this song, I think
Sandy: I've heard this one somewhere!
Junior: I might have shared it on the forum.
Sandy: maybe so
Junior: it was one of the songs they played on SNL late last year... thanks for listening!
Sandy: thank you so much!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on February 09, 2017, 05:52:58 PM
I didn't make it this morning, sorry you guys.

But I did listen to the album this afternoon.  Definitely in my wheel well.  "Gosh", at points, reminded me of "Oh Yeah" by Orchid Enterprises (famously from Ferris Bueller).  The steel drums on "Obvs" was the most different sound on the album, but it was all pleasant and groovin'.  I can certainly see this being a great writing album.  I will add a number of tracks to my playlist.  Favorites are: Gosh, Sleep Sound, Girl, and a couple others, the titles I didn't see.   Thanks, Junior.

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on February 10, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
Happy you got a chance to listen in, oldkid!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: colonel_mexico on February 10, 2017, 10:53:55 AM
Hanging out listening to vids for a bit today if anyone cares to pop in, really enjoy reading the excerpts of these albums!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Bondo on February 11, 2017, 08:54:27 AM
This time instead of going with an album I know and love I'm going with one I'm curious to explore based on my particular appreciation for one song, How Soon Is Now?

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Album: Meat Is Murder
Artist: The Smiths
Year: 1985


Listening Booth
Wednesday, February 15 at 10:00 a.m. Central Time
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on February 11, 2017, 01:53:30 PM
Excellent, Bondo! :D


Hanging out listening to vids for a bit today if anyone cares to pop in, really enjoy reading the excerpts of these albums!

I'm sorry I missed this! I did visit the booth and took one of the songs to listened in. If ever there was an anthem to the darker sides of my mindset recently, it's "Ill Mind of Hopsin 7." Although mine is directed at an institution, rather than deity.

I’m staring down the road my life has gone
Is this where I belong?...
My mind’s a nonstop tape playing and I can’t rewind it
etc, etc...


Powerful one sided debate. Thanks for putting it into the booth, colonel-mexico!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 11, 2017, 07:01:10 PM
Depends on my workflow that day, but I'd love to pop in. The Smiths are fun.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on February 14, 2017, 06:16:56 PM
Hey everyone!

When you say it's gonna happen "now," well when exactly do you mean?


Tomorrow Morning! (Wednesday, Feb. 15th), 10:00 a.m. (CST)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on February 14, 2017, 06:54:12 PM
I won't be able to make this one.  But I love the Smiths, so I'll try to catch up with the album.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 15, 2017, 06:44:14 AM
Of course I have a meeting that goes until 10. Might be able to slip in.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on February 15, 2017, 01:30:18 PM
Meat Is Murder (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlbjlXSNpXk&list=PLfimnwaZdumhP1bYJa54DvCLFNf4wVYLo#no)  ("Headmaster Ritual" first (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQTc4GolJt4#no))   Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


Bondo: I suppose we should dive in.
Sandy: great pick on your album, Bondo

"The Headmaster Ritual"
Bondo: The two Smiths songs I know best both were via covers that I then tracked back to The Smiths and I'm still very fresh to them.
Sandy: I wasn't very familiar with The Smiths until about 4 years ago. I basically only know one song of theirs before, "Please, Please, Please, Let Me Get What I Want."
Bondo: This is making me think a lot about Sing Street
colonel_mexico: what year is this album?
Bondo: 1985
colonel_mexico: certainly sounds like the 80s, i like the bass line in this
Bondo: But being The Smiths, it's just a bit more dour than Sing Street's optimistic rebellion to the school setting.
Sandy: just read this, "It’s safe to say that nobody else, before or since, has opened a significant rock album by hammering the bejesus out of the capoed, open-tuned chord that begins the song." had to look up "capoed"
about an hour ago
Bondo: I think I know what a capo is   
Sandy: head of fretboard on a guitar
colonel_mexico: yeah the capo is that thing that clamps down on the fretboard and gives the guitar a different tuning. think on here comes the sun for the beatles george used one
Sandy: that's it! Now I want to listen to "Here Comes The Sun"

"Rusholme Ruffians"
colonel_mexico: another solid bass line.
Bondo: "I might walk home alone but my faith in love is still devout..." like that
Sandy: It is a great line... That note he sings! 
colonel_mexico: this has like a 50s groove to it
Sandy: like buddy holly
Bondo: How many songs until we get to one without a reference to suicide lingering in the lyrics
Sandy: i think with The Smiths its a prerequisite
colonel_mexico: lol
Sandy: I love how he doesn't really care if he hits the note, just somewhere in the vicinity.
Bondo: The precision of autotune can be offputting compared to something wild and unkempt and imperfect
Sandyz: i prefer messy

"I Want The One I Can't Have"
Bondo: Well, this song is certainly relatable
colonel_mexico: haha yeah. high school days and the early liminal days of adulthood/post adolescence
Sandy: Yeah, I can see why the band has such a following, especially beginning at that age group. it's full of angst. immediacy... It's about time I listened to this album, most of these I don't know.
Bondo: He uses a lot of repetition and if the vocals were more precise it would be boring, but since each one is slightly different, it doesn't feel redundant
Sandy: It really works
Bondo: This would be a bit like Queen...tough to do karaoke because it is constantly going in unexpected directions
Sandy: impossible to follow him in Karaoke
Bondo: Though I do hope to do How Soon Is Now sometime
Sandy: you should! I wanted to add this, "On the day that your mentality decides to try to catch up with your biology, come round... great lines

"What She Said"
Sandy: what came first, the song What She Said, or the meme? 
colonel_mexico: lol
Bondo: Don't think that was around in 1985
Sandy: they were ahead of the game
colonel_mexico: the music in this is much tougher than the earlier stuff
Bondo: Like this song a whole lot
colonel_mexico: that was a good one
Bondo: I've been a depressive kid this whole time and am only now finding The Smiths...that's the real tragedy
Sandy: yeah, I could have this song. we came to this far too late

"That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore"
Sandy: one i know! when I see kids being cruel, I want to send this their way... this is excoriating
colonel_mexico: one of the sadder laments, on an album of laments
Bondo: false fade
colonel_mexico: ha this sounds like a perfect circle a bit, lilting solo
Bondo: First half of the album gone...feels like a torrid pace even though the songs are languid

"How Soon Is Now"
Bondo: Now for the song that got me to pick this album, even though it wasn't even on the original release of the album. How Soon Is Now? would be in my top-10 songs all-time.
colonel_mexico: yeah solid tune here. classic
Sandy: I really hated school dances. 
colonel_mexico: such a much more uplifting song, an inclusive song
Bondo: I'm against dancing generally.
Sandy: :)   
colonel_mexico: you go home and want to die
Sandy: yeah, he doesn't pull any punches
Bondo: This is usually the song that comes up when pretty 21 year olds judge me for not being super picky as if I can be choosy and still have a sex life.

"Nowhere Fast"
Sandy: what an opening line. "I'd like to drop my trousers to the world." No Morrisey, tell us how you really feel.
Bondo: This must have been quite the anti-Thatcherite song... "I think about life, and I think about death, and neither one particularly appeals to me."
colonel_mexico: more of that 50s dance sound

"Well I Wonder"
Sandy: "Gasping" should be a word in more songs... gosh, this song is raw... his falsetto really works there
Bondo: It evoked This Charming Man a bit
Sandy: you're right... after this album, I need some chocolate
Bondo: I need some beer...thankfully I've got a lunch meet at a burger and beer joint

"Barbarism Begins At Home"
Sandy: the school system in Britain is something so different than what I know, or is this a domestic song?
Bondo: Speaks to the rigid class structure... "Because of who you are" and "Because of what you are"
Sandy: ah. that I don't get either. so not frontier mentality
colonel_mexico: conformity song?
Sandy: yes :(
colonel_mexico: isnt that the psychological desire of lower class parents and hallmark of the boomer era, wanting their children to be respectful and obedient
Bondo: Though it doesn't actually have much less social mobility, England has class hierarchy at its heart the way we have the American Dream, so respect of place and obedience to those above would seem to be big touchstones...points for punk rebellion
Sandy: the equivalent here is religion.
Bondo: Or race...not that it is exclusively our problem, but the break is more explicit... This song gives us a bit more breathing room to digest it 
colonel_mexico: bass line kicking ass as usual
Sandy: :) I know the greatness of Marr, but Andy Rourke is a new name to me. unsung bass hero

"Meat is Murder"
Bondo: (or will I be able to order a burger for lunch after this)
colonel_mexico: same here
Sandy: only one cause at a time!
colonel_mexico: haha
Sandy: Today, we concentrate on empathy for people... ouch, yeah this song is hard to swallow.
colonel_mexico: this def has some apc vibes to it
Sandy: You introduced that band to me
colonel_mexico: yeah im huge fan of tool and apc
Sandy: it's cool to hear something that must have inspired them
colonel_mexico: totally, i would imagine maynard listened to these guys
Sandy: discovering music threads and roots is the best
colonel_mexico: this part sounds like pink floyd a bit too, maybe the animal sounds reminding me or something
totally
Sandy: pigs, the song?
colonel_mexico: yeah something from animals
Sandy: well that came out about 8 years before, so I could see them listening, just like Maynard to the smiths.
Bondo: Well, I'm not sure if it is an effective intellectual argument for veganism, but it definitely is a visceral one
Sandy: ...thanks, Bondo!
colonel_mexico: thanks bondo, that was fun, great call!


"How Soon Is Now" by t.A.T.u  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=giey9yCe2Wk#no)
Bondo: I popped on the cover of How Soon Is Now that I first heard
Sandy: i'm glad! how did I know it would be a girl group? :)
Bondo: I like this version's abridged nature...lets you pack in all the lyrical goodness more efficiently, but I've come to appreciate Morrissey's ethereal wail to capture the emotional tone of it.
Sandy: it's like listening to Morrissey at 78 rpms
Bondo: I am too young for that joke :P
Sandy: :))
Bondo: I'll need to give the album a few more listens...there are 3-4 songs that could definitely enter into routine play. Very glad to have dove deeper with The Smiths
Sandy: It was about time I caught up with this album. Thanks so much for choosing it
Bondo: I think aside from the obvious, my favorite track was What She Said.


KnockedOutLoaded: hello, i couldn't be here until the last song... 
Sandy: Hi! are you a big fan of The Smiths?
KnockedOutLoaded: i used to be. i never could stomach their split
Sandy: Bondo and I came late to The Smiths party. why did they split?
KnockedOutLoaded: artistical differences?
Sandy: ah. you wanted them to keep going?
KnockedOutLoaded: i think morriseys ego grow to big for the other ones. at that time, yes
Sandy: did it turn you off of their music? or just were frustrated
KnockedOutLoaded: no, i don't think so. i just moved on, i guess.
Sandy: That makes sense.
KnockedOutLoaded: i never cared for their albums. it was the singles that were sooo beautiful... it's sad that johnny marr never had a career to speak of
Sandy: but he influenced so many
KnockedOutLoaded: such a gifted guitarist. i guess he did. he and morrisey were like lennon and mccartney, much better together than alone
Sandy:  well said... I just read a quote by Marr "The pop guitarist crossed with the mad professor. That's how I thought of myself"
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on February 28, 2017, 02:10:26 AM
Well, it's my turn so I'm going to set up a time.  I hope I can be there for it.  (My work schedule is unpredictable.)

This Thursday at 10:30am (Central Time), we will be listening to a dark, powerful album:

Little Earthquakes by Tori Amos



It has been 25 years this week that the album was released and it deserves another listen. 

“Little Earthquakes” also draws its power from Amos’ commitment to preserving her own musical vision, one based around solo piano compositions. This wasn’t necessarily easy. A large portion of the album was recorded in 1990 in Los Angeles, but her record label wasn’t thrilled with all of the results. “They sort of pulled a Linda Blair,” co-producer Eric Rosse told Keyboard in 1992. “They came back and said ‘What’s this?’ to this beautiful work.” Amos and Rosse then hunkered down in the latter’s studio and came up with more songs....Above all, on “Little Earthquakes,” Amos is no longer afraid of being herself, or expressing exactly how she’s going to live her life going forward. “These songs demanded to be written,” Amos told Musician in 1992. They are what they wanted to be. I wouldn’t allow fear to get in the way. Because it’s fear, after all, that kills us.” -Salon

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: 1SO on February 28, 2017, 08:55:56 AM
When you listen to it, think about how much it must've been an influence on "Let it Go" from Frozen.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on February 28, 2017, 10:11:48 AM
Interesting
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on February 28, 2017, 10:18:50 AM
“These songs demanded to be written,” Amos told Musician in 1992. They are what they wanted to be. I wouldn’t allow fear to get in the way. Because it’s fear, after all, that kills us.” [/i]

This could be my new favorite artist! I'll be there! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 01, 2017, 08:55:38 PM
Hey everyone!

The time is getting closer.


Tomorrow! (Thursday, March 2nd), 10:30 a.m. (CST)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 03, 2017, 12:22:41 PM
Little Earthquakes (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JiZlWtYv7s#no)  Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


Sandy: I don't know anything about Tori Amos, except for going through the lyrics yesterday
Junior: i know a few Tori Amos songs
oldkid: She tried working with a couple bands early in her career, and they didn't really pan out. Then she got tired of it all, said "screw it" and went to play her favorite instrument, the piano.
Sandy: Good for her.
Junior: so I shouldn't expect any sax in these songs?
oldkid: In her upset and depression she played her piano for days. And that session turned into the rough drafts of these songs on this album. I don't remember any sax, sorry.
Sandy: the lyrics are pretty raw and real
oldkid: This album was completely breakthrough for her, and opened up a whole career. It is a raw album, as emotionally open as anything I've heard and sometimes really hard to listen to. But in the end, it's a woman and her piano. Filled with truths that are tough to bear sometimes.

"Crucify"
Junior: starting off mild with that title
oldkid: One thing about this album, it all demands attention.
Junior: "looking for a savior in these dirty streets" is evocative of a lot of other art from this era
of course, now I cant pull any examples
oldkid: Her vocal of "chains" is just powerful. Here, she's almost a choir
Sandy: haunting
Junior: yeah, this dubbing is big right now, too. seems to go in and out of style
oldkid: It feels fresh to me, after 25 years

"Girl"
oldkid: The choruses are so singable, so catchy, but so haunting
Junior: yeah, it sounds good and kinda happy, but it's definitely not
oldkid: One thing I found about this album is that it can be listened to on a loop and not lose it's power
Sandy: "Sit in the chair and be good now and become all that they told you..." :(
oldkid: "The white coats come in now and I'm calling, "My baby!"
Junior: i can't help but hear some references to her previous band situations in that song, too
Sandy: I can feel her processing, even if I don't know the story. (I hear Kate Bush, especially in the lilting chorus.)

"Silent All These Years"
oldkid: A person who has been trapped, locked in a box and is just realizing where she is at.
Sandy: Even though the piano is the instrument of her choice, it always serves the singing.
oldkid: The opening piano of this reminds me a bit of Chopin. Yeah, it's almost as if the piano and voice were perfectly in sync, two parts of the same instrument
Sandy: Yes, nicely put.
oldkid: I love this. The quiet-quiet-HUGE
Sandy: It's a chorus done right!
Junior: listening to songs/albums like this make wish she'd have a better life. this album wouldn't exist, but that's a small price to pay for her happiness.
Sandy: that's a compassionate sentiment, Junior.
oldkid: I heard someone say that they hoped Adele would have another breakup, so they could have another album as good as 21
Sandy: ow
Junior: though I hear my profs reminding me that the writer isn't necessarily the speaker of a poem/song even when they use I
oldkid: But don't you think that the mood of a person comes through their art, even if the story isn't theirs?
Sandy: i think we all have deep wells of pain to draw on, if we're willing
Junior: I do, but there are exaggerations and different circumstances and all kinds of things which create a fictional frame for the real emotions, or at least that's what often happens

"Precious Things"
oldkid: Never knew the name of this song. But I'll never forget the piano... "Your really an ugly girl, but I like the way you play" and I died.
Sandy: it's impossible to forget words like that, even with a hundred kinder words
oldkid: "Little fascist panties in the heart of every nice girl" That shout... A woman who thought her life was one thing, but it turned out to be all wrong
Sandy: I don't know how to process this song.
Junior: This is some intense stuff for real

"Winter"
oldkid: ...Now I remember why I listen to this album. It's when I need to shout and cry at the same time.
Sandy: yes, it's all here...
oldkid: "When you gunna love you as much as I do"
Sandy: Every girl should have such a father, one who says something like that. It's a strong foundation
Junior: it's a strong foundation for anybody from anybody as long as they mean it
Sandy: true
oldkid: Does it matter as long as she believes it and owns it? Fathers always have to leave. Daughters have to stand on their own and this is what they need to own.
Sandy: it's a healthy understanding to come to
oldkid: Stretching out "change" Really emphasizing that.
Junior: change is super hard
Sandy: You said it.
Junior: we all thought we changed because we voted for the "Change" guy and then we realized that we don't want to do the work to actually change things, so we voted for the guy who wants to bring us back to the 50s

"Happy Phantom"
oldkid: A song celebrating complete freedom
Sandy: i feel it
oldkid: But also noting that one has to be dead to receive it
Sandy: darn!
Junior: This song reminds me of the Toni Morrison book Paradise
oldkid: "There's Judy Garland taking Buddha by the hand"
Sandy: They'd be good friends
oldkid: I still need to read Paradise. I just bought it a few weeks ago
Junior: i won't spoil it then, but it's super great
oldkid: I understand it's one of the greats.
Junior: according to me, at least
Sandy: a woman's book and endorsed! Added to my book list.
oldkid: I love the rinky-dink ending of Phantom
Junior:  that was a brief moment of happiness. I liked it

"China"
oldkid: China is a more standard ballad and was her first big hit.
Junior: I could see that
oldkid: ...correction - "Silent all These Years" was her first hit, not "China".
Sandy: these lines, "You're right next to me But I need an airplane I can feel the distance as you breathe." :(
oldkid: A touch of HUGE there "I can feel the distance getting close" Dang, she's good at haunting

"Leather"
Junior: I think this is my favorite so far. that guitar in the background is pretty great, and i like these kind of propulsive songs. sounds like a pulse
oldkid: As if the percussion was a whip?
Junior: Yeah, that too, and wordplay is always a plus for me
oldkid: "In a sense" is vocalized "innocence" Very playful
Junior: this sounds like it could be in a modern version of Cabaret or something
oldkid: YES!

"Mother"
Sandy: her relationship with her mother was much more complex than with her father
oldkid: Her father was saying, "You need to stand up on your own", but she needs her mother to be ready to take her back in, just in case. Honestly, I didn't remember this song at all. A casual listen of most of the songs on this album usually demands my attention, but not as much this song. I won't forget it again.
Sandy: it's the one that gives me a clear call to action, the other ones I don't know what to do with.
oldkid: Interesting. Because they all feel like a "point in time" story to me. Not a call to action, but a snapshot of a woman struggling.
Sandy: As a mom, who has teenagers gearing up to go, I can see their fear too, if I look. I want to be "home" to them, so need to preserve the relationship, even when they are breaking free.
oldkid: I'm still looking at the song from the point of view of the first person, the one asking her mother to not just push her out but to also "leave the light on", and you are hearing it as a cry of a child to her mother. Art. 
Sandy: powerful art, Steve. I'm grateful to be introduced to it.

"Tear in your hand"
oldkid: This song is Big, Big... quiet
Sandy: "You don't know the power that you have With that tear in your hand" ...I think this is my favorite line from the album
oldkid: Okay. this song...

"Me and a Gun"
oldkid: She leaves the most texture in her voice for this song. This song. This is the one I remember when I think of this album. Not my favorite. Just unforgettable.
Junior: yeah, that's intense
oldkid: Now I can't get Irreversible out of my head when I hear it
Junior: I still haven't seen that... i'm a bad Filmspotter
oldkid: It's a very good film that I can't recommend. Like this Tori Amos song.
Sandy: this is something she said about the song, "now I'm trying to put the pieces back together again. Through love, not hatred. And through my music. My strength has been to open again, to life, and my victory is the fact that, despite it all, I kept alive my vulnerability."  a survivor's song
oldkid: That's powerful

"Little Earthquakes"
Junior: i like the recontextualization that happens here. like, all the previous songs are pretty rough, but now they're just little earthquakes that can be moved past if not entirely overcome
oldkid: It's true. All throughout, she keeps mentioning that she was thinking that she had to survive so she could see Barbados-- she is more than a victim, more than a survivor. She is perfectly human.
Here's that chorus again. "Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again" The final song is as dark and self-affirming as the rest of the album, bringing it together. Just to let you know, Tori Amos' other albums are as musically adept, but not as dark as this one
Junior: that's probably a good thing
oldkid: Good for her, probably
Junior: heh


oldkid: So, what did you think?
Junior: this kind of reminded me of Magnolia
Sandy: she needed to excise some demons... I don't have the words, except to say, we would do well to do likewise. better out than in
Junior: it's the big but personal emotional outpouring so you can move on and do other stuff
oldkid: Does this mean you wouldn't listen to this album again?
Sandy: i would
Junior: I've watched Magnolia like 4 or 5 times. I'm a glutton for punishment
Sandy: I have movies like this in my top 100. They are there for me to explore and excoriate and then when I feel like I've moved past them, I'd let them go. I must see Magnolia!
oldkid: That makes sense. You have to watch Magnolia so many times, just to get a grasp of the managarie of characters. I've only seen it once, and it feels a bit confused at this point.
Sandy: you have other go to albums like this one, Steve? One that help you go to the dark places, and hold them up to scrutiny?
Junior: the second time helps, and knowing where it goes... but anyways, this album is quite good, but I don't know that I'd seek it out again and again, personally. I've got other stuff that scratches this itch for me.
oldkid: I wonder what it means that I listen to this and The Black Parade and Sam Phillips and other artists that get really dark and I just eat it up.
Sandy: i was thinking about The Black Parade
Junior: there's something comforting about darkness, I think
oldkid: Am I a melancholic that acts happy, or do I need all this darkness so I can laugh about it?
Junior: it's a combination of you not being alone and the fact that this other person likely has it worse than you
Sandy: it comforts me to know that we are not as isolated as we think, Yes that. Perspective.
oldkid: Well, I'm worn out now.
Sandy: this album has us all introspective. thanks for the album, oldkid. I'll be thinking about it for a while, I'm sure!
Junior: yeah, it was great to talk with you all about it
oldkid: Cool. Glad to share.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: 1SO on March 03, 2017, 08:37:02 PM
As soon as I heard Little Earthquakes I instantly became a fan. Little Earthquakes is one of my favorite CDs of All Time, and the follow up, Under the Pink, may very well be on that list too, even though there's a huge difference in lyrical content as she got away from the more direct, less coded style of LE. During this period, there were also a number of Singles, B-Sides and covers, many of which were just as good. Or maybe it's because I'm that big a fan.

If you're interested in Amos before Little Earthquakes, look up "Fire On the Side" and you'll hear she wasn't that different if perhaps a little more mainstream pop. Then look up the cover for Y Kant Tori Read and you'll see what she was rebelling against with LE.

I had forgotten about "Me and a Gun", which is about one of the bravest songs I've ever heard. To think she would perform that every night in concert. I went to a show. It was the most quiet I'd ever heard it get at a music concert.

I had a panic attack once when this was fresh on my playlist. I walked into the night aimlessly and when the tape got to "Little Earthquakes" I found myself repeating "Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again" over and over until I felt better. Soon after, I wrote my first screenplay.

My favorite Tori Amos songs are...
1. "Precious Things"
2. "Yes, Anastasia" from Under the Pink
3. "Caught a Light Sneeze" from Boys For Pele
4. "Crucify"
5. "Sweet Dreams" from the extended single for "Winter"
6. "Girl"
7. "Cornflake Girl" from Under the Pink
8. "A Sorta Fairytale" from Scarlett's Walk
9. "Bliss" from To Venus and Back
10. "Siren" from the soundtrack to Great Expectations
11. "Silent All These Years"
12. "Raspberry Swirl" from From the Choirgirl Hotel
13. "Spark" from From the Choirgirl Hotel
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 03, 2017, 11:02:40 PM
 :'(

Her music has been entwined in your life, in profound ways. Choosing "Precious Things" as your favorite is a bold choice and a very good one. She is breaking free and claiming her own authority in it.

Thanks for sharing this, 1SO. It brings more meaning to her songs and now I'm going to take your favorites and make a playlist too.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 04, 2017, 03:28:20 PM
Next up, my turn and time for a 50's album.

(http://i64.tinypic.com/r9rgg1.jpg)

Album: Elvis Presley Rock n' Roll (UK release)
Artist: Elvis Presley
Year: 1956


“Today it all seems so easy -- RCA signs up the kid from Memphis, television gets interested at around the same time, and the rest is history. The circumstances surrounding this album were neither simple nor promising, however, nor was there anything in the history of popular music up to that time to hint that Elvis Presley was going to be anything other than "Steve Sholes' folly," which was what rival executives were already whispering.

So a lot was unsettled and untried at the first of two groups of sessions that produced the Elvis Presley album -- it wasn't even certain that there was any reason for a rock & roll artist to cut an album, because teenagers bought 45s, not LPs...

The album Sholes wanted out of Elvis came from two groups of sessions in January and February, augmented by five previously unissued songs from the Sun library. This was as startling a debut record as any ever made, representing every side of Elvis' musical influences except gospel -- rockabilly, blues, R&B, country, and pop were all here in an explosive and seductive combination. Elvis Presley became the first rock & roll album to reach the number one spot on the national charts, and RCA's first million dollar-earning pop album. ”  -- Bruce Eder


Listening Booth
Date: Wednesday, March 8th, 2017 (10:30 a.m. CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on March 04, 2017, 03:30:17 PM
Nice.  I don't know that I can join in, but I'll try.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 05, 2017, 08:17:01 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 07, 2017, 04:53:11 PM
Hey everyone!

Well, it's one for the money
Two for the show
Three to get ready
Now go, cat, go!


Tomorrow! (Wednesday, March 8th), 10:30 a.m. (CST)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on March 07, 2017, 05:00:28 PM
Unfortunately, I have to work tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 08, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
Elvis Presley Rock 'n' Roll (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vz8WeGbMzpI#no) 

Knocked Out Loaded came into the booth for a little while and listened in.

"Mystery Train"
Sandy: do you like it?
KnockedOutLoaded: this track, very much. it is playful
Sandy: (Presley's version would be ranked #77 on Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Songs of All Time list.)
KnockedOutLoaded: in general this 50's music here in sweden is connected with raggare
Sandy: ...I had to look up Raggare (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raggare). It's a fun subculture. Do you see it often?   
KnockedOutLoaded: It is not a city phenomena, not a Big city anyway

"I'm Gonna Sit Right Down and Cry"
KnockedOutLoaded: this is more formulaic
Sandy: yeah
KnockedOutLoaded: more country and western
Sandy: he has an interesting mix of different genres

"Tryin' To Get To You"
Sandy: this one too
KnockedOutLoaded: this is much more bluesy
Sandy: he's a hybrid!
KnockedOutLoaded: he is

"One Sided Love Affair"
Sandy: this song makes me laugh
KnockedOutLoaded: the singing or the lyrics?
SandyKcreator: the words and his singing, but the piano and bass are fun too
KnockedOutLoaded: :D
Sandy: Elvis said this was his favorite song on the album.
KnockedOutLoaded: his backing musicians are really good
Sandy: I wish they visually recorded these sessions. I'd like to see them play... Thanks for the chat, KOL!



An interesting note. The cover of Elvis' album ranked #40 on Rolling Stone's list of the greatest album covers. The Clash's homage album cover, London Calling, ranked #39. :)

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Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on March 09, 2017, 02:40:13 PM
It was fun to listen to a little Elvis for a change. 8)

But was it necessary to show that Clash cover now? It is so iconic. Photographer Pennie Smith worked at the New Musical Express at the time (as did Anton Corbijn) and she was with the band in New York in '79 where the shot is from. The image is slightly out of focus and she is said to be annoyed by that. Ray Lowry, a cartoonist who also appeared in the NME, designed the cover. London Calling is a very revered album, Sandinista! that followed a year later less so. It has been said you can't dance to London Calling, but to Sandinista! you can. I don't dance so I shall not articulate an opinion on that point. I really love Sandinista!, however, and the sleeve above sent med down the Sandinista! rabbit hole one more time. It is the only record you need, really, and I would love for it to feature here, but is anyone up for a 2 hours 24 minutes session? Seriously?
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Post by: oldkid on March 09, 2017, 05:11:59 PM
Elvis Presley Rock n Roll

Many consider the first single released off of this album, That's All Right, to be the first Rock'n' Roll song. Well, if we consider Rock 'n' Roll to be the white version of 40s and 50s rockin' soul, then I suppose so.  But Elvis' version was a toned-down rock from what Sister Rosetta Tharpe, Big Mama Thorton, Ike Turner, Fats Domino (although he was really doing boogie woogie) and Little Richard were already doing for years before.  Even Bill Haley and the Comets, a country band that decided for a couple years to borrow on the black sound, released Rock This Joint before Elvis hit the scene.

This album of Elvis songs was compiled a couple years after he hit the scene with his first single, but it's a good collection of his early work.  He has a great voice and his stuff is smooth to listen to.  It may have been insane to white kids in the early 50s, but it seems so tame compared to Little Richard.

I like Elvis' version of Blue Suede Shoes better than Carl Perkins, but I think that has more to do with production than performer.  Carl's version is rough and a bit hard to hear.   It's easy to see who was the favored one at Sun Records.

"I Got a Woman"   This one was written by Ray Charles based on a gospel tune "It Must Be Jesus".  In the original, it's Jesus taking down the names of the righteous and, well, Ray certainly did a makeover on that.  But Sun Records did a number on this song, changing it up from a simple big band rock to something that mixes and rocks and quiets down and really gets you going.   You can hear some early Beatles influence here as well.

"I'm Counting on You" was written for Elvis and really focuses on his vocal performance and his sultry voice.  And he's really got it here.  The lyrics aren't so great, the back up pretty simple, but his vocal work is really nice.

"You're Right, I'm Left, She's Gone"  Basic country song, influenced more by Hank Williams than the rock background.

"That's All Right"  This was written and released by Arthur Crudup ten years before this album.    The original is so very similar, Sam Phillips didn't do much of anything to change it. 

"Money Honey" was written for and released by The Drifters in 1953.  In my estimation, they do a better version, but I'm a real Drifters fan. I like the echo effect they give Elvis on the chorus, though.   For Elvis' song, they up the tempo slightly and put the booogie woogie piano at the forefront-- all to good effect.

"Mystery Train"  Written by Junior Parker who recorded it with Sun Records in 1953 based on a Carter Family Celtic standard, "Worried Man Blues."    Great blues song.   Elvis' version is sped up and given some country pickin' instead of the sax.   To me, this is a perfect distillation of why Elvis' worked.

"I'm Gunna Sit Right Down and Cry" Another, less successful, blues song.   It was a pop ballad before Elvis made it his.   The Beatles did a powerful version with their sound in 1962.

"Trying to Get You"  Released by The Eagles (no, not THAT Eagles) in 1954, if you listen to that recording you can really hear Elvis' sound all put together, in a group vocal.  Great sax in that version.  Elvis' version, in comparison, is fully guitar rock, taking out the piano and putting the guitar right in front.  I like both versions.

"One Sided Love Affair" Very boogie woogie, and Elvis is really owning those vocals.  He's almost a southern preacher, here.  Originally recorded by Bill Campbell, but I couldn't find it.

"Lawdy Miss Clawdy" A Lloyd Price song that introduced the New Orleans sound that we usually associate with Fats Domino (who played the intro on Price's version).  This recording replaces the sax solo with a rough guitar solo, which is tough to choose between.  But I have to give the vocals to Lloyd Price.  He smoothly takes control of the song, while Elvis sounds like he's trying a bit too hard.  Both versions are good, though.

"Shake, Rattle and Roll" A Big Joe Turner song made famous by Bill Haley and the Comets.  Honestly, I've been a long fan of Joe Turner's version with the piano at the forefront and the sax echoing the vocals.   Elvis' version ups the tempo, but it doesn't improve the song as a whole.  It just feels noisy in comparison to Turner's version. 

In general, I feel that rock n roll of this era is really a time of singles, not albums.  There are some masterful singles on this album, but some of the songs I don't care for as well.  I made a playlist of the old rock n roll of this era, and that's how it works best for me.  Hearing the best from the late 40s through the 50s and ignoring the mediocre.  Certainly this album has some of the best songs of the time-- Mystery Train, Blue Suede Shoes, and That's All Right are fantastic.  But the album as a whole doesn't work for me, because I hear all these songs in the background, some of which are better.


Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 10, 2017, 12:35:34 AM
Whoa. I'm going to listen to the album again, while having your words in front of me. Thank you, oldkid!

Sandinista! I'll listen to it! We could take it in two parts if you'd like, Knocked Out Loaded.

You two guys are a fount of music knowledge! :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: MartinTeller on March 10, 2017, 09:36:53 AM
I'm a big fan of Sandanista!, despite the fact that I haven't listened to it enough to identify any of the songs besides "The Magnificent Seven" and the Equals cover ("Police on My Back"). I really should familiarize myself with it more, I know that I've always enjoyed it.
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Post by: Jeff Schroeck on March 10, 2017, 09:46:22 AM
"Somebody Got Murdered" is on there too!!!

I like Sandinista, but over London Calling? That's just crazy talk.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 10, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
It looks like we should explore both albums then!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 10, 2017, 03:22:49 PM
Next up, Knocked Out Loaded's turn.

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Album: Sandinista! (excerpts, 48 minutes)   
Artist: The Clash
Year: 1980


“Nothing could have helped get me through the unreal mass depression — the mourning ten years too late for the death of the Sixties and the Beatles that grew out of the grief over John Lennon's murder — than the release of the Clash's Sandinista! a few days later. Its three records — thirty-six tracks to get lost in — ask and answer some of the right questions about violence and nonviolence, history and the future, crime and the law, revolution and fascism, worldwide angst and hope.”  -- John Piccarella


Listening Booth
Date: Thursday, March 16th, 2017 (12:00 p.m. CST)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 15, 2017, 10:50:25 PM
Hey everyone!

Start the car lets make a midnight run
Across the river to South London
To dance to the latest hi-fi sound
Of bass, guitar and drum
Seeking out a rhythm that can take the pressure off
Stepping in and out of that crooked crooked beat


Tomorrow! (Thursday, March 16th), 12:00 p.m. (CDT)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on March 15, 2017, 11:34:21 PM
Should be able to make this one!
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 16, 2017, 06:02:48 PM
Should be able to make this one!

Hopefully you'll get to listen in when you have some time. It was a great compilation. :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 16, 2017, 10:29:22 PM
Sandinista! and Chat Excerpts   (Press play on each song and follow along. :) )


"Magnificent Seven" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COZY27cBR2I#no)
Sandy: Would you like to tell me about how you came across this album?
KnockedOutLoaded: in 1980 the clash were the sh*t. they had released london calling in december '79. it was a double album. this came a year later and it is a triple!
Sandy: very bold move
KnockedOutLoaded: yeah, some of the material here maybe should have been left in the studio, but every color adds to this picture
Sandy: interesting!
KnockedOutLoaded: it is so rich!
Sandy: it's like you were invited into their jam sessions
KnockedOut: yeah... london calling is like taking a taxi for some take away food
this is the local bus to the open air market, where you have to get the ingredients one by one, but it is all here. all the spices too!
Sandy: :) Nice analogy!
Sandy: the music is a lot about working class and their inequalities, and war?
KnockedOutLoaded: and many slogans!
Sandy: cool
KnockedOutLoaded: kinda rebel chique
Sandy: ah

"Police On My Back" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swD_az3nOpc#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this is a cover song
Sandy: do you know who originated it?
KnockedOutLoaded: the equals
Sandy: huh, i don't know them
KnockedOutLoaded: and later eddy grant, a reggae artist. this is as clashy you can get,
the guitars, soccer stadium choruses. i love the train whistle!
Sandy: this is your kind of music, through and through! IDrinkYourMilkshake and you would be the best of friends.

"The Leader" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jx5G0JbmrQ#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: The Leader is 1'42 long. a comment on the press
Sandy: very short song
KnockedOutLoaded: but it delivers the message splendidly!
Sandy: digging up the dirt
KnockedOutLoaded: i read somewhere the profumo affair inspired the song. it has a really good rockabilly vibe
Sandy: it does!

"Charlie Don't Surf" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0pV-dnM9iI#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: they flirted with 'nam too. here, they manage to get an oriental touch to the arrangement. Charlie Don’t Surf is from Apocalypse Now
Sandy: it is? In the movie, or about the movie?
KnockedOutLoaded: it is a line that robert duvall says
Sandy: oh! another movie I need to see
KnockedOutLoaded: it is an epic one

"One More Time" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNAzIdli0ig#no)
Sandy: reggae!
KnockedOutLoaded: right!
Sandy: that drum lick was very Clash.
KnockedOutLoaded: it is fun you mentioned the drums. I listened to Sandinista! last week
and noted how good topper headon uses the snare drum.
Sandy: he sure does!
KnockedOutLoaded: very little kettle drums, just snare and basedrum. he was very talented, but got hooked up on heroin and that was a big reason why they split up,
that and some artistic differences between joe strummer and mick jones, the other guitarist
Sandy: he is still alive? Headon?
KnockedOutLoaded: i don't know, but there was a doc some ten years ago and then he was a cab driver in brighton or something
Sandy: i'll look him up... It looks like Headon is still alive. And his pictures look like he is doing well.
KnockedOutLoaded: that was good news! thank you! ...paul simonon, base, sided with strummer
Sandy: who do you side with?
KnockedOutLoaded: i am on the strummer team every day of the week
Sandy: :) excellent.
KnockedOutLoaded: he wanted to keep it small and political, mick jones dreamt of going bigger and play arenas
Sandy: who won?
KnockedOutLoaded: no one
Sandy: ah, I see
KnockedOutLoaded: joe and paul took in three new members and made one crappy album

"Something About England" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmG03MicK4#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this is my favorite on Sandinista!
Sandy: I'm glad you told me!
KnockedOutLoaded: this is mick first... joe really pours it out!
Sandy: his voice is much more subdued. he doesn't have the force, Joe has
KnockedOutLoaded: yes mick is smooth, a little seductive
Sandy: they're a good contrast
KnockedOutLoaded: yeah, they're compliment each other very good
Sandy: What about it makes it your favorite?
KnockedOutLoaded: i love joe's deliverance. it sums up england's post war history, and europe's
Sandy: punctuated! bold
KnockedOutLoaded: how modernity is introduced and how modernity breaks apart old values

"Corner Soul" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCBYz83mZWU#no)
Sandy: was reggae really big at this time? It threads its way through some of their songs
KnockedOutLoaded: there were some influences at the time, but the clash were more cross over than most other groups
Sandy: I'm reading here that some think the song has to do with a "Rivers Of Blood" speech in the UK about race conflict in the British subculture. wonder if it's true
KnockedOutLoaded: it may well be so. i think that speech was by enoch powell
Sandy: wow!
KnockedOutLoaded: powell was a racist politician in the 80's
Sandy: You are vastly more knowledgeable about UK politics than i!
KnockedOutLoaded: everything was an issue back then!
Sandy: I wasn't privy to much of it

"Let's Go Crazy" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEdKIhPRftU#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this make me happy
Sandy: it's a great song. I haven't heard a song yet that should stay in the studio, but this is a best of compilation, yes?
KnockedOutLoaded: yeah, i saw an article on a site that boiled down Sandinista! to 48 minutes.*  The full album is 144 minutes long.
Sandy: cream of the crop then
KnockedOutLoaded: and as with movies, 144 minutes may be too much
Sandy: not good for one sitting, that's for sure

"If Music Could Talk" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA6PrJeDfSo#no)
Sandy: very mellow
KnockedOutLoaded: i very much like the work in progress feel of this track
Sandy: but the lyrics belie the music in this one
KnockedOutLoaded: i think it is two sets of lyrics that are juxtaposed. it is like he is conversating himself
Sandy: hmmm... like a corner booth somewhere? Us listening in?
KnockedOutLoaded: maybe!
Sandy: and I'm only catching some of the words, so it comes out disjointed

"Up In Heaven (Not Only Here)" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awCSxY0sd7E#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: now we are more straight forward. typical clash music wise and a text about living in a suburb. a good contribution from mick, but a little formulaic
Sandy: "Fear is just another commodity here" and so is despair and futility. It's like living in the projects.
KnockedOutLoaded: i've never encountered such feelings, i am glad to say
Sandy: I've never lived in such an environment
KnockedOutLoaded: those english suburbs are dreadful. i have seen them in movies! and the people are totally broken. all they can do is being mean to each other
Sandy: Any films come to mind specifically?
KnockedOutLoaded: nil by mouth, naked, fish tank
Sandy: ah, I was thinking of another Leigh film... All or Nothing. it was based in an apartment complex
KnockedOutLoaded: i have not seen that one
Sandy: I have not seen your three films. much to explore!

"The Street Parade" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgJQ3BbXFVk#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: easy drumming, echo-y guitars
Sandy: counterpoint
KnockedOutLoaded: yep
Sandy: i hear a little cacophony, like in the Beatles, Day In The Life.
KnockedOutLoaded: good point!

"Washington Bullets" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT-LyKFvlFc#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this is very topical of it's time, broadsheet lyrics. naive, but endearing. i really miss joe, such a BIG heart
Sandy: He voiced a generation
KnockedOutLoaded: he did
Sandy: this is all things politics thrown into one song
KnockedOutLoaded: it is a think piece
Sandy: the organ, like a holy revival. a call for change
KnockedOutLoaded: booker t and the mg's - style
that was the last track on the list
Sandy: wow, that was something!
KnockedOutLoaded: i'd like to go over it once more!
Sandy: :D
KnockedOutLoaded: and then it is one hour more on the album
Sandy: ha!
KnockedOutLoaded: some dirty skin folds, but still, it is a treasure
Sandy: i'm so glad I got to hear parts of your album. Did you say it is your favorite?
KnockedOutLoaded: yes i think is my favorite album. period.
Sandy: amazing. that is quite a place of honor, for you like a great variety of music.
KnockedOutLoaded: one fun aspect too, is that so many have laughed at Sandinista!
Sandy: they do?
KnockedOutLoaded: so it is fun to be contrarian and say it is the best ever. yeah, it has been derided. you'll find out if you dig a little, you don't have to dig deep
Sandy: i am on the KOL team every day of the week
KnockedOutLoaded: :D

"Junko Partner" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9S8KUB5WAfg#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this is a bonus song
Sandy: thanks!
KnockedOutLoaded: i love how lop-sided it is. music and lyrics are so unified
Sandy: ...that was a great song!
KnockedOutLoaded: well, the shortlist i found was great, but i would have included this one
Sandy: I'm glad you did!
KnockedOutLoaded: the question is, which to remove from the original list
Sandy: do you think they chose well?
KnockedOutLoaded: i think the selection was stellar
Sandy: me too!



*  Team Rock's article: The 48 minute long classic album hidden inside The Clash's Sandinista! (http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-09-15/the-48-minute-long-classic-album-hidden-inside-the-clash-s-sandinista)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: MartinTeller on March 16, 2017, 11:21:02 PM
"Police On My Back" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swD_az3nOpc#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this is a cover song
Sandy: do you know who originated it?
KnockedOutLoaded: the equals
Sandy: huh, i don't know them
KnockedOutLoaded: and later eddy grant, a reggae artist.

Point of clarity: The Equals was Eddy Grant's band.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on March 17, 2017, 03:35:32 AM
"Police On My Back" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swD_az3nOpc#no)
KnockedOutLoaded: this is a cover song
Sandy: do you know who originated it?
KnockedOutLoaded: the equals
Sandy: huh, i don't know them
KnockedOutLoaded: and later eddy grant, a reggae artist.

Point of clarity: The Equals was Eddy Grant's band.
Thanks for straightening that out!

I saw that it was an Equals song and that Eddy Grant had done it. Eddy had a career in the 80's and it never occurred to me that he also could have been a member of The Equals in the 60's!

Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on March 23, 2017, 11:54:41 AM
And now, for something quite different.

The Antlers - Hospice

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From the Pitchfork review: Hospice is bereft of irony and cynicism, as befits a rather ghastly narrative that feels, perhaps deceptively, autobiographical. Centered around a relationship with a terminally ill child, and evocatively spun from eerie hospital scenery, snippets of conversations with doctors, terrifying dreams, and the periodic intrusions of Sylvia Plath, it becomes a broad meditation on guilt, duty, mortality, and hope in the face of hopelessness. The emotional payload, while artfully couched, is fervent and bleeding. Silberman's affecting earnestness, not to mention his sweet voice, allows him to pull off lines like, "All the while I know we're CINECAST!ed/ And not getting un-CINECAST!ed soon," while sounding more prayerful than cynical.

Time and Date: I'm looking at Sunday evening, what works best for people then?
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 23, 2017, 12:06:48 PM
 :o

I wouldn't miss it!

I'm free Sunday evening, so any time works for me.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: oldkid on March 23, 2017, 04:41:35 PM
Unable to be there Sunday evening, unfortunately, but I'm intrigued.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on March 26, 2017, 11:58:31 AM
8 or 9 Eastern?
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Post by: Sandy on March 26, 2017, 02:22:43 PM
Could we do 9 Eastern? :)

I have a birthday dinner to take care of, but will be free by then.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Junior on March 26, 2017, 03:03:07 PM
Fine by me! See you there.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 26, 2017, 08:17:04 PM
Hey everyone!

The Antlers, Hospice

Right now! (Sunday, March 26th), 8:00 p.m. (CST)


We'll be in dubtrack.fm, in the Group Listening Booth (https://www.dubtrack.fm/) and the password is filmspotting.
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: Sandy on March 27, 2017, 12:42:51 AM
Hospice (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSi_FE52TAY&t=1s#no)    Chat Excerpts  (Press play and follow along. :) )


"Prologue"
Sandy: Is this album instrumental?
Junior: no, it's not instrumental, at least not entirely. I think the beginning and end are
It's a super sad story album, though I don't think it's entirely true (I don't remember exactly)
Sandy: how did you find the album?
Junior: I was a big fan of their album after this one, so I went back to it a few times and it never really stuck until somewhat recently when I heard "Bear" again and just got really into it. It's pretty good for writing to, as well, so i've been listening a lot.

"Kettering"
Junior: named after the hospital
Sandy: smooth transition
Junior: "those singing morphine alarms / out of tune"  that's the kind of stuff that I love on this album. what a great way of thinking about that terrible noise
Sandy: It's very raw. it must have been therapeutic to create this music
Junior: boy, the ending of this is rough. "I didn't believe them / when they told me that there was no saving you"
Sandy: the stages of grief... denial
Junior: This is an interesting song because of how it's all set up. quiet lyrics, big music, very separate
Sandy: the style and the voice remind me of Antony and The Johnsons
Junior: yeah, I hear that. the quavering. it's not always like that, but here it definitely is
Sandy: it fits perfectly
Junior: yeah, for this part of the album it makes a lot of sense... and then it just kinda ends

"Sylvia"
Junior: LITERARY REFERENCE ALERT. you know how Sylvia Plath killed herself?
Sandy: yes, the oven. :(
Junior: here it comes... Here's a song I can relate to. I've had suicidal friends. it's super tough to deal with, and sometimes you just wanna get angry at them. "Sylvia, get your head out of the oven Go back to screaming and cursing. Remind me again how everyone betrayed you Sylvia, get your head out of the covers Let me take your temperature, but you also want to care for them"
Sandy: ...anger, the next stage. have you heard "Jenny", from Nothing More?
Junior: don't think so?
Sandy: it's just as you wrote above
Junior: I'll give it a shot
Sandy: "Maybe you should just fall Leave the world and lose it all And if that's what you need To finally see I'll be with you through it all"  tough love
Junior: damn
Sandy: yeah... I need some background to this album. what is the relationship between the dying and the one singing?
Junior: Hospice tells the story of a relationship between a hospice worker and a female patient suffering from terminal bone cancer, their ensuing romance, and their slow downward spiral as a result of the woman's traumas, fears, and disease. according to wikipedia. Frontman Peter Silberman has been reluctant to divulge explicit details regarding the meaning of the record, and the extent to which it is autobiographical. Silberman has described it as the story of an emotionally abusive relationship.

"Atrophy"
Junior: you can hear that on this one a lot. "In your dreams I'm a criminal, horrible, sleeping around While you're awake I'm impossible, constantly letting you down"
Sandy: who's doing the abusing?
Junior: i think she is to him. the patient to the worker
Sandy: ah, that's what I'm getting too. and he takes it, because of his love and her situation?
Junior: yeah
Sandy: wow, this is painful,
Junior: feels very real
Sandy: yet how amazing it is put into music
Junior: and such good music, too
Sandy: so compelling
Junior: every song feels appropriate, the translation of feeling into sound.
Sandy: he's so powerless. "I'd happily take all those bullets inside you and put them inside of myself." :(
Junior: this kind of fade out, it's a long one... and into my favorite song. Yeah, tough stuff. and it's sharp. pointy
Sandy: this ending?
Junior: yeah
Sandy: like fingernails on a chalkboard
Junior: but the words, too. seems like a call for help, maybe a song written inside that situation. these wails that he often ends songs with are interesting. when words don't cut it
Sandy: anguish

"Bear"
Junior: This is happy, at least happier
Sandy: what makes it your favorite?
Junior: it's yet another fantastic capturing of a kind of singular situation. "We're too old, / We're not old at all" plus the music is just the bee's knees
Sandy: old before their time
Junior: the bear metaphor is great too
Sandy: it's like music box, meets jukebox
Junior: "and all the while I know we're CINECAST!ed / and not getting unCINECAST!ed soon"
Sandy: ...and that says it all
Junior: yeah, just a perfect nugget of feeling. love this added part to the chorus, the higher wailing. the whole album has had this kind of quiet LOUD quiet LOUD thing and I think this does it best
Sandy: this has all put me in a very particular mood.
Junior: the horns, the guitar. can you describe it?
Sandy: nope. :) ...here it sounds like the Doppler affect
Junior: I get that
Sandy: or aliens
Junior: and then some kind of release?
Sandy: like a breath
Junior: yeah, certainly momentary, but beautiful even more for that
Sandy: The album needed this moment... didn't your In Colour album have some great quiet/loud aspects too?
Junior: yeah, it did. love that dynamic thing
Sandy: you do find great music that shines in that department

"Thirteen"
Junior: this one seems to be her perspective. "Pull me out Pull me out Can't you stop this all from happening? Close the doors and keep them out Dig me out Oh, dig me out Couldn't you have kept all this from happening? Dig me out from under our house" that's all the lyrics... and that's it

"Two"
Junior: this was the other single. "The choir's going to sing, and this thing is going to kill you" I guess less happy songs have been released as singles, but not many
Sandy: i can't think of any. somehow he can see that her hatred for him, is not about him at all
Junior: right
Sandy: "When I reappeared and tried to give you something for the pain, you came to hating me again and just sang your refrain." He was willing to absorb it, for her sake. That is a deep love
Junior: yeah, where bear used the ursine metaphor, this one uses the song to frame a song about terrible things... and then the fade out again

"Shiva"
Junior: the song where she dies doesn't sound like you'd expect. there's a kind of strange rhythm to it
is it like a heartbeat? it's a waltz, isn't it?
Sandy: yeah, a waltz of death
Junior: "my face became yours" more Bergman!
Sandy: he should be in all melancholy art
Junior: "the sensation was scissors and too much to scream, / so instead I just started to laugh" that explains the song.

"Wake"
Sandy: like mournful cries, and hymns
Junior: yup. both very solitary and communal at once. very much like a wake
Sandy: nicely said
Junior: "It was easier to lock the doors and kill the phones Than to show my skin Because the hardest thing Is never to repent for someone else It's letting people in"
Sandy: people lost in their thoughts, surrounded by others in the same state (Yes, that's what a wake is like)
Junior: indeed, though this one is more about the after effects than the literal wake, even though it does sound like a wake. "When your helicopter came and tried to lift me out I put its rope around my neck And after that you didn't bother with the airlift or the rescue You knew just what to expect" this next part is the point of the whole thing, I think. "Don't be scared to speak. Don't speak with someone's tooth. Don't bargain when you're weak. Don't take that sharp abuse. Some patients can't be saved But that burden's not on you"  Revelatory
Sandy: very much so.
Junior: "don't ever let anyone tell you you deserve that" times like a billion
Sandy: i was just here reading that it might not be about hospice at all, but like you said an abusive relationship and hospice is the metaphor for the dynamics. He never deserved to take on such abuse
Junior: right
Sandy: none of us do. "some patients can't be saved, but that burden's not on you."
Junior: certainly not, though it's never easy to actually stop it
Sandy: no, but this mantra helps. it's not until it gets incorporated internally, where it can be believed This concept of metaphor for an abusive relationship turns the whole thing inside out.
Junior: makes "Bear" into a pretty insidious song, if you take it as the few moments of fleeting happiness inside an abusive relationship. though the feeling at the end of this one makes up for everything
Sandy: it is used to excuse everything else, such as, "remember the great time we had when?..."
Junior: exactly
Sandy: "shouldn't that happy moment carry us when it's really bad and destructive?"  ...this makes my heart ache

"Epilogue"
Junior: did you see the alternate titles to all the songs that were in the liner notes?
Sandy: i haven't
Junior: this one is also called "Sylvia Alive in Nightmares" the melody is Bear again
Sandy: it never really ends then. "You're screaming and cursing and angry and hurting me and then smiling and crying and apologizing." and repeat, over and over again.
Junior: this also reminds me of the end of Fanny and Alexander, though it's a spoiler and I'd rather not go into details
Sandy: i'll remember this moment when I ever get to see that film.
Junior: I think this is the only time it's been an acoustic guitar and a voice on the whole album
Sandy: like an echo. a shadow always with him.  "just when I think I may have fallen asleep. Your face is up against mine, and I"m too terrified to speak."
Junior: maybe we can read it a little more positively
Sandy: let's do!
Junior: maybe this will keep him from making the same mistakes again, the constant fear of her. I'm not sure htere's anything to support that.
Sandy: i like the idea. healing takes speaking, processing, remembering.
Junior: yeah.
Sandy: i think you're on to something
Junior: Maybe that's the purpose of the whole album. either preparation for people who might go into this situation or him dealing with it after it has happened or something like that.


Sandy: ...sheesh, what did we just experience?! amazing album
Junior: yeah, it's good stuff
Sandy: It's a cautionary tale
Junior: exactly
Sandy: a clear warning. I know if ever I got into something destructive, I'll remember the words, "don't ever let anyone tell you you deserve that"
Junior: same, hopefully
Sandy: if you forget, I'll tell you!
Junior: and I you!
Sandy: that is the best description of a friend :)
Junior: i've got two other great songs from them if you'd like to hear them
Sandy: sure!
Junior: as you can see, the got happier after putting this out

"Putting the Dog to Sleep" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg8Ckamh8Gw#no)
Sandy: this is happier?
Junior: it is, actually
Sandy: He's being vulnerable
Junior: kind of his MO
Sandy: ah. he's asking to be cared for and then reassures her, he'll do the same
Junior: yeah
Sandy: it's hard to ask to be cared for. it's easier to express care for another. It's also difficult to express fear of rejection
Junior: it's all hard
Sandy: true
Junior: i love the organ (keyboard) on this version. it's a little more synthy on the album
Sandy: it may be that the cause of the hurt is each other in the first place. Can this relationship be saved?
Junior:  maybe?
Sandy: He doesn't know either ,but he isn't ruling it out. "I'm not gonna die alone.. I don't think so..."
Junior: this is where the song usually ends on the album, with these oohs. these guys can get pretty big for writing about such small, intimate things
Sandy: like a concert hall, big

"Parade" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDGNt0NseWs#no)
Junior: and then their happiest song, at least that i've found.
Sandy: You searched far and wide!
Junior: it's about a parade! "we could be an island apart / from a ceaseless war on our heart"
Sandy: a war of their creating?
Junior: I don't think so? a change for them
Sandy: let's hope!
Junior: though the end does seem to suggest some complicity. And I can feel the difference when the day begins Like all I know is, "This year will be the year we win. We smoke the paper from the banner from our past parades And start again, before the memory of the mess we've made"
Sandy: yeah, i'm dubious
Junior: but still, you can rejoice in the victories
Sandy: yes. this line reminds me of Eternal Sunshine... "Erasing horror and disgust. Rewinding the sorrow and the rust. Before our suffering's suffering, hadn't we suffered enough?
Junior: yeah, that definitely tracks... seems like others have read it as the start of a new relationship after two people got out of bad prior relationships, so the Eternal Sunshine thing would make some sense there


Sandy: it was a great chat!
Junior: agreed! i definitely will get more out of it when I listen to it now. thanks to you!
Sandy: thank you! I needed your guidance on what was happening. would you like to hear the song Jenny before you go?
Junior: yeah!
Sandy: there is an acoustic version and a loud version. I'm not sure I'm up for the original one tonight.
Junior: do what feels right to you!
Sandy: could I link the original and play the quieter one here?
Junior: sure
Sandy: in this song, Jenny's addictions have completely burned everyone out and has sent her mother to an early grave.
she is an abuser, both in substance and in her relationships.
Junior: oof
Sandy: but there is still love expressed to her, tough love. I think everything else had already been tried
Junior: is this also part of a larger narrative?
Sandy: i don't think so, but their album covers a lot of relationship scenarios.
Junior: ah, variations on a theme
Sandy: yeah. this is something colonel_mexico introduced. It would be a great album to discuss here.

"Jenny" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIVfgk1Hyx4#no)
Junior: oh wow
Sandy: here is the original song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4x6US_UHvrc#no
Junior: i'll check it out
Sandy: The loud version is fitting for the subject, but sometimes quiet gets a point through in a way noise can't.
Junior: that's very true... that's a rough song
Sandy: yeah. it reminded me of the song on your album
Junior: i feel like we need something super happy to get us out the door, what say you?
Sandy: Yes, we do! I was just thinking the same thing!

"Dance Apocalyptic" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaMBagakSdM#no)
Sandy: tell me about the song, where did you find it?
Junior: I've been a huge Janelle Monae fan since the album before the one this is off of, and this was the first single from her latest
Sandy: i don't know her. thanks for the intro!
Junior: now she's an actress and a pretty great one (she was fantastic in Moonlight)
Sandy: wonderful
Junior: she's got this whole thing going on in her albums. they're all about a robot in the future who fights for robot rights and is a pop star
Sandy: haha
Junior: her music is always changing. she's got songs that sound like Prince (who she collaborated with) and MJ and the Beatles and a bunch of soul and jazz influence. she never sounds the same, except she's always super talented
Sandy: ...it worked! The other song is completely washed away!
Junior: good!
Sandy: Thank you, Junior for a really great music journey.
Junior: and thank you! It's been a great music night
Sandy: :)
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: colonel_mexico on August 29, 2019, 09:21:45 PM
This was a lot of fun....
Title: Re: Group Listening Booth
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on August 29, 2019, 10:17:24 PM
This was a lot of fun....

I agree - enjoyed this a lot when I was able to join...