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Title: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 01, 2017, 09:01:36 PM
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Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 02, 2017, 07:57:01 AM
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Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 02, 2017, 08:51:30 AM
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Post by: chardy999 on January 02, 2017, 11:59:51 PM
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Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 03, 2017, 12:12:32 AM
Is there a Top 10 of 2016 thread somewhere?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 03, 2017, 07:07:57 AM
Yes, I think it was Dave started it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 04, 2017, 09:14:56 PM
I'm pretty sure I just saw a Best Picture campaign ad for Rogue One.

pixote
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Post by: oldkid on January 05, 2017, 02:19:23 AM
I remember at 12 years old I considered the Academy hacks because they didn't nominate the original Star Wars for best picture.

My opinion hasn't really changed.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 05, 2017, 04:52:14 AM
I would criticise them for giving it to Rocky but I have not actually seen it. So I will just assume it's terrible and inferior and scoff at their mainstream pandering.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: sdedalus on January 05, 2017, 09:43:37 AM
They did nominate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50th_Academy_Awards) Star Wars for Best Picture. Also Director, Supporting Actor and Original Screenplay, along with a host of technical categories. It won six of the ten Oscars it was nominated for. Annie Hall won Best Picture that year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 05, 2017, 10:14:22 AM
I was looking at its release year, like an idiot. If you elect to throw sticks at me I'll understand.
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Post by: Junior on January 05, 2017, 11:13:00 AM
Annie Hall is about a million times better than Star Wars, so I get it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 05, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
You also think Unbreakable is Great, so...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on January 05, 2017, 11:53:36 AM
Yeah. Great things are great and other things are less so.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on January 05, 2017, 01:17:10 PM
I'm happy as a 51 year old that Star Wars didn't win.  But I still like it much better than Annie Hall.

And my 51 self is embarrassed that my 12 year old self didn't know that Star Wars had been nominated.  Such a loser.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 05, 2017, 01:28:15 PM
You likely had just remembered that it didn't win, and that terrible injustice, through the years, warped your memory into thinking it wasn't even nominated.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 05, 2017, 01:29:08 PM
Reposting this here because I found it very interesting stuff. And also to drub up support for the idea of doing a forum Top 100 again this year:

I took the liberty of creating a spreadsheet of all the films to ever appear in a Filmspotting Top 100, and included their yearly placement for the 6 years we have conducted a Top 100. Here are some interesting factoids from that research:

There have been 178 films represented in a Top 100 at one time or another. Letterboxd list (http://letterboxd.com/corndogchats/list/filmspotting-top-100-through-the-years/).
I have seen 167 of those films. Here is a list of films I have NOT seen:

The Science of Sleep
Stalker
Duck Soup
Ran
Le Samourai
Happy Together
The Lives of Others
Ikiru
Fitzcarraldo
F*cking Amal
A Woman Under the Influence

Of those 178 films, only 39 films were represented every time. Here are those films, listed in order of their average placement on the lists:

The Godfather (1.83)
Casablanca (1.83)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (4.83)
Citizen Kane (6.33)
Seven Samurai (9.00)
Rear Window (9.33)
2001: A Space Odyssey (10.17)
Dr. Strangelove (12.00)
Singin' in the Rain (13.00)
Raider of the Lost Ark (13.17)
Pulp Fiction (13.33)
Once Upon a Time in the West (14.00)
Vertigo (14.83)
The Big Lebowski (18.50)
The Godfather, Part II (20.50)
It's a Wonderful Life (21.00)
The Good, the Bad & the Ugly (23.00)
12 Angry Men (23.17)
There Will Be Blood (24.00)
Annie Hall (24.17)
Taxi Driver (24.83)
Sunset Blvd. (28.00)
The Third Man (32.17)
Jaws (32.83)
Apocalypse Now (33.00)
Days of Heaven (40.00)
A Clockwork Orange (41.17)
The Empire Strikes Back (41.67)
Lost in Translation (42.67)
Goodfellas (42.83)
Spirited Away (46.00)
Three Colors: Blue (50.00)
No Country for Old Men (50.50)
Die Hard (50.50)
Fight Club (52.00)
The Passion of Joan of Arc (57.50)
M (66.17)
The Night of the Hunter (69.00)
Chinatown (69.83)

Here is a list of the 25 films which appeared in 5 out of the 6 lists, listed again in order of their average placement on the lists with the year they were excluded listed:

Fargo (14.80) - 2008
8 1/2 (25.80) - 2014
Alien (27.40) - 2008
Psycho (34.00) - 2014
Mulholland Dr. (41.80) - 2008
Double Indemnity (42.20) - 2008
The Apartment (42.60) - 2008
Chungking Express (44.20) - 2012
The 400 Blows (44.60) - 2014
Sunrise: A Song of Two Humans (44.60) - 2012
Blade Runner (46.00) - 2008
Amelie (46.20) - 2009
North By Northwest (48.60) - 2014
Children of Men (49.60) - 2008
Magnolia (50.40) - 2014
Princess Mononoke (51.00) - 2014
City of God (51.20) - 2014
In the Mood for Love (52.00) - 2008
The Shawshank Redemption (58.60) - 2012
Memento (61.20) - 2009
Before Sunrise (63.60) - 2014
Rashomon (65.60) - 2010
Back to the Future (66.80) - 2008
The Princess Bride (70.40) - 2008
The Wizard of Oz (84.00) - 2008

The Highest Ranked film to be Unranked the following year: Psycho - 27 in 2012, NR in 2014
The Highest Ranked film to be Unranked the previous year: City Lights - NR in 2012, 14 in 2014
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 05, 2017, 02:40:52 PM
You likely had just remembered that it didn't win, and that terrible injustice, through the years, warped your memory into thinking it wasn't even nominated.

The true crime was and remains the 1982 Awards when Raiders of the Lost Ark lost Best Picture and Best Score to Chariots of Fire.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 06, 2017, 02:50:52 AM
Anson Mount looks crazy different without the beard.

(http://i.imgur.com/LhQYh.jpg)

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6a/6a/81/6a6a815ca5f6181c30e71ec65f4869cd.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on January 06, 2017, 05:33:23 PM
Someone compare these two for me. I love Antichrist, will I like Melancholia?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on January 06, 2017, 05:47:13 PM
Probably. Melancholia is better and only slightly less audacious.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 06, 2017, 08:47:44 PM
I liked Melancholia.  I haven't seen Antichrist.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 06, 2017, 11:37:34 PM
I love Antichrist, I probably love Melancholia more.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on January 07, 2017, 01:36:37 AM
I thought Antichrist was okay.  Melancholia is one of my favorite films. 

The cinematography is remarkably different, Antichrist is dark and difficult, while Melancholia is gorgeous and stunning.  The visual art reflects the tone, for while both deal with depression and it's consequences, the ultimate consequences differ considerably.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on January 07, 2017, 01:40:02 AM
The cinematography of Antichrist is my favorite part. The extreme way it deals with depression is fascinating. Sounds like I need to watch Melancholia, regardless of my feelings about Kirsten Dunst.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 07, 2017, 04:47:16 AM
Who's the most famous/celebrated female cinematographer? How about composer?

Some day I'll have a demographic breakdown of all past Filmspot nominees by category. I'm curious to see if Natasha Braier and Anne Dudley will contend this year.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 07, 2017, 06:13:31 AM
Celebrated? Probably Kathryn Bigelow? In -phile circle, Agnès Varda?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 07, 2017, 06:34:51 AM
I know Ellen Kuras (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0475578/)is a big deal DP. For Composers, there's Oscar winning Rachel Portman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006235/).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 07, 2017, 06:47:31 AM
Mica Levi, on the score side. She did Under the Skin and... something else this year ?

*checks IMDB*

 Jackie, that's it. Under the Skin was her first credit... that is quite an impressive debut.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on January 07, 2017, 06:53:20 AM
In -phile circle, Agnès Varda?

While Varda shot parts of her late docs herself, you probably mean Agnès Godard (worked frequently with Claire Denis)?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on January 07, 2017, 02:28:04 PM
Sure, but you won't love it like you love Antichrist
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on January 07, 2017, 11:36:22 PM
For female DP's, at least current ones off the top of my head- Maryse Alberti, Reed Morano, Rachel Morrison, Natasha Braier, Charlotte Bruus Christensen, Ellen Kuras, Mandy Walker.

I'd say Alberti/Kuras are probably most respected.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 08, 2017, 01:51:49 AM
Who reviewed Prince of Thieves in the last couple of months? I read it and made a mental note to respond to it.... and this morning I woke up and realized I didn't. It's bugging me now.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 08, 2017, 08:20:57 AM
This? (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=12547.msg857470#msg857470)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: BlueVoid on January 08, 2017, 12:41:35 PM
Why was there no Letterboxd year in review? I always liked that...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 08, 2017, 12:44:05 PM
Mrs. 1SO noticed that "Drive It Like You Stole It" sounds like the theme from Ducktales. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1I2HqXIMRo#noembed)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jeff Schroeck on January 08, 2017, 01:12:32 PM
Why was there no Letterboxd year in review? I always liked that...

I saw them tweet that they were working on it a day or two ago.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 08, 2017, 08:04:03 PM
This? (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=12547.msg857470#msg857470)

Thanks Bondo!

Ah what a wonderfully correct review!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: BlueVoid on January 10, 2017, 07:40:57 AM
Letterboxd posted their year in review... but I meant the personalized one. Apparently you need to be a pro member for that. Too bad.

Side note: I don't know why I didn't think of this before-- but today I realized there are some cool/helpful greasemonkey scripts for Letterboxd.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on January 10, 2017, 07:10:47 PM
Letterboxd posted their year in review... but I meant the personalized one. Apparently you need to be a pro member for that. Too bad.

Side note: I don't know why I didn't think of this before-- but today I realized there are some cool/helpful greasemonkey scripts for Letterboxd.

What does the year in review entail? I want one!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: BlueVoid on January 10, 2017, 11:33:50 PM
It's similar to the overall Letterboxd year in review: http://letterboxd.com/2016/

But personalized to you.. If I remember from years past it gives a break down of all sorts of stats. Most viewed actor, director, genre etc.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 11, 2017, 07:52:00 AM
This is fun (http://letterboxd.com/corndogchats/stats/)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 11, 2017, 11:45:41 AM
It is. Your stats have me curious: do you rate all the movies you watch?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 11, 2017, 11:47:21 AM
More directors than films! I admire your anti-auteurist viewing habits.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 11, 2017, 11:54:25 AM
Yes, stats are fun (http://letterboxd.com/teproc/stats/).

Proud to have a similar country count to Corndog in a third of the movies. I guess that's because there's a bit of a threshold around 70 or so, but still.

I love that Corndog has "Latin" as one of the most common languages in films he watches. I know that's probably because films using just a few Latin locutions count, but still, not bad for a dead language.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 11, 2017, 11:55:56 AM
So you guys both pay for this?
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Post by: StarCarly on January 11, 2017, 12:03:54 PM
I just started paying for it so I could easily find out which services (Netflix, Hulu, etc) carry the movies on my watchlist, as well as the yearly roundup. $19 a year is not breaking the bank or anything.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 11, 2017, 12:05:25 PM
It is. Your stats have me curious: do you rate all the movies you watch?

Yes, I rate everything!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 11, 2017, 12:07:20 PM
$19 a year is not breaking the bank or anything.

Nobody likes a braggart, StarCarly!

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 11, 2017, 12:18:24 PM
I love that Corndog has "Latin" as one of the most common languages in films he watches. I know that's probably because films using just a few Latin locutions count, but still, not bad for a dead language.

A lot of history based films... (http://letterboxd.com/corndogchats/films/language/latin/) But I did take 4 years of Latin in high school, so it's only fitting!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 11, 2017, 02:54:36 PM
I pay $0 because I mooch off my parents like the bum I am.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: karlwinslow on January 11, 2017, 08:09:12 PM
Anyone know why Shane Carruth would be mentioned in the thank yous for Moonlight?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on January 11, 2017, 10:12:11 PM
Anyone know why Shane Carruth would be mentioned in the thank yous for Moonlight?

The two know each other through Amy Seimetz who produced Jenkins' Medicine for Melancholy and acted in Carruth's Upstream Color. Not sure what his specific contribution to Moonlight was.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on January 15, 2017, 06:52:44 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/UBztZ2r.jpg)

The 40th Göteborg Film Festival will be held 27th January - 6th February.

At the moment I have tickets for 12 films (http://letterboxd.com/lennart/list/gff-2017/).
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Post by: chardy999 on January 16, 2017, 10:48:01 PM
Those stat pages convinced me to go pro :) (http://letterboxd.com/chardy999/stats/)

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Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 16, 2017, 11:29:13 PM
Reenactments in documentaries. Good or bad? I don't think i like them very much. I'm watching a Hiroshima documentary on Netflix at the moment and the reenactments are standing out too much. It's super HD footage opposite old archival footage.
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Post by: Teproc on January 17, 2017, 01:49:14 AM
Those stat pages convinced me to go pro :) (http://letterboxd.com/chardy999/stats/)

One of Us. One of Us.

Bibi Andersson is the only crossover between you, Corndog and I in the "highest rated actors", I think. And we all have the 50s and the 60s among our three highest-rated decades, which is probably a result of being selective when watching older films I suppose.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 17, 2017, 02:10:54 AM
Reenactments in documentaries. Good or bad?

I can't think of many examples, but one good one I would say is Beyond the Void.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 17, 2017, 02:18:33 AM
Reenactments in documentaries. Good or bad?

I can't think of many examples, but one good one I would say is Beyond the Void.

The one that came to my mind is Man On Wire.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 17, 2017, 03:34:46 AM
I will have to use letterbox more, before I would consider pro.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 17, 2017, 03:55:02 AM
Those stat pages convinced me to go pro :) (http://letterboxd.com/chardy999/stats/)

chardy's flush.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on January 17, 2017, 06:12:07 AM
Those stat pages convinced me to go pro :) (http://letterboxd.com/chardy999/stats/)

One of Us. One of Us.

Bibi Andersson is the only crossover between you, Corndog and I in the "highest rated actors", I think. And we all have the 50s and the 60s among our three highest-rated decades, which is probably a result of being selective when watching older films I suppose.

How'd you get that info about Bibi? It stopped me getting more info after one (extra) click.

If the older years aren't a full point better than now it would be a concern. I am much more likely to like a new semi-random film than an old one.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 17, 2017, 06:25:34 AM
If you look, below "Stars", you have "Most Watched" and "Highest Rated". If you click on "Highest Rated", you'll get another list entirely, based on the average rating you give to films these actors appear in. Same thing with directors below.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on January 17, 2017, 06:39:09 AM
If you look, below "Stars", you have "Most Watched" and "Highest Rated". If you click on "Highest Rated", you'll get another list entirely, based on the average rating you give to films these actors appear in. Same thing with directors below.

You are correct.

I am disappointed with the relaxed language stats. They don't align with my fastidious records and illuminate no new interesting info.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 17, 2017, 07:45:51 AM
Beyond the Void.

Touching the Void?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on January 17, 2017, 08:39:38 AM
Reenactments in documentaries. Good or bad? I don't think i like them very much. I'm watching a Hiroshima documentary on Netflix at the moment and the reenactments are standing out too much. It's super HD footage opposite old archival footage.

I avoid them. The good ones are the exception to the rule.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 17, 2017, 09:59:39 AM
I'm generally opposed. Feels exploitative most of the time.
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Post by: smirnoff on January 17, 2017, 10:05:14 AM
Beyond the Void.

Touching the Void?

Touching the Void! *doh* :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on January 17, 2017, 10:41:26 AM
The Act of Killing is based around reenactments they are admittedly of a different kind than most doc reenactments, but I think they count. That movie without those segments is nothing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on January 17, 2017, 10:53:20 AM
Also, The Arbor.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on January 17, 2017, 11:14:31 AM
Also, The Arbor.
I love The Arbor and thought about it too, but it felt more  like a biopic than a doc, don't you think?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 17, 2017, 11:35:27 AM
I count it as a doc, but I wouldn't call them re-enactments because they aren't really putting into effect things that actually happened in a literal sense.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on January 17, 2017, 12:54:39 PM
My company does a lot of true-crime TV stuff and my bosses struggle a lot with re-enactments. They constantly ask themselves if the audience needs it, but ultimately it comes down to the network sending back notes saying "where is recre?" and not wanting a battle.

It's difficult and above my pay-grade, but it's a fine line between needing them or not and as much as you want to trust your audience, it seems the public responds to it based on testing. We talk about the classic documenataries like The Thin Blue Line where most felt it works (Touching the Void comes up a lot too, the "performances" in that are great) and have said documentary isn't the best title for it- docu-drama or non-fiction seems to fit it more. For me as a viewer, it all depends how it compliments what I'm seeing and hearing, but I'm certainly biased from being exposed to it daily.

EDIT: Sorry if I'm taking away from any discussion, just saying that I find from my own perspective it stems a lot from the filmmaker(s) wanting to convey intent and meaning behind the information in the best way. So it stems more from asking if something narrated or archival doesn't work then is this the best way to convey information? That being said, there is a trend to try to make it FLASHY and MOODY, but audiences seem to like that cinematic aspect to it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on January 17, 2017, 03:23:04 PM
I appreciate your perspective, StudentOFilm. I especially like the idea of labeling certain re-enact-o-docs as "non-fiction cinema" or something to that effect.

I watch a lot of Forensic Files (I think of it as non-fiction television, not a docu-series) Each episode includes brief scenes of re-enactments of the crimes with the parts played by actors. It also has re-enactments of the forensic techniques used (fingerprinting, DNA analysis, etc), often with the actual people who did the scientific work. Does that make a difference?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 19, 2017, 04:09:38 PM
I can't find any reviews for LION.  Has anyone seen it?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 19, 2017, 07:23:58 PM
I can't find any reviews for LION.  Has anyone seen it?

I have. I wrote a review. It's okay. It's not Asuperplus, whatever Junior may tell you.

My review is in the Respond thread two weeks ago or thereabouts if you're interested.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 19, 2017, 07:29:25 PM
Thanks.  What I'm worried about is that I've heard there is graphic depiction of child abuse.  I have a really difficult time watching that onscreen.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 19, 2017, 07:36:45 PM
Thanks.  What I'm worried about is that I've heard there is graphic depiction of child abuse.  I have a really difficult time watching that onscreen.

I don't remember anything along those lines.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on January 19, 2017, 08:48:14 PM
I haven't seen Lion and I have little intention of doing so before any ballots are due. So it won't be getting an Asuperplus from me any time soon.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 20, 2017, 04:41:22 AM
All child abuse is definitely off screen.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 20, 2017, 03:35:23 PM
All child abuse is definitely off screen.

Thanks, everyone, going today. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 20, 2017, 05:44:48 PM
Anytime you need advice on child abuse, I'm your guy.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 20, 2017, 05:47:35 PM
Anytime you need advice on child abuse, I'm your guy.

I'm not feeling the funny.  Sorry...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 21, 2017, 08:28:50 PM
Just finished a Silence / Paterson double feature, and I've concluded that Adam Driver is the secret love child of Lou Diamond Philips and Jon Krasinski.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 22, 2017, 04:57:41 PM
Don't Breathe
Why does what's his name not die from the shears to his stomach?

Just finished a Silence / Paterson double feature, and I've concluded that Adam Driver is the secret love child of Lou Diamond Philips and Jon Krasinski.

pixote

Right, yeah, those people, absolutely.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 23, 2017, 03:46:49 AM
The end credit thank yous of Don't Think Twice are some of the name-droppingest ever: Judd Apatow, Aziz Ansari, John August, Elizabeth Banks, Jack Black, Nicole Holofcener, Mindy Kaling, Jimmy Kimmel, Frank Oz, Chris Pratt, Daniel Radcliffe, Paul Rudd, Jordon Klepper (which I'm assuming is a typo for Jordan) Paul Dano, Lena Dunham, Bob Dylan, Phil Lord, Jorma Taccone, Greta Gerwig, Cristin Milioti, Larry Wilmore, Alan Zwiebel (which I'm assuming is a typo for Zweibel), etc.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on January 23, 2017, 10:50:06 AM
Improvised spelling!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 23, 2017, 11:34:06 AM
I had seen some people state as a filmic resolution to watch 52 films directed by women this year (so one per week). While an admirable goal, I figured I didn't need a resolution like that because I already try to prioritize the work of women. Then I went back and counted my 2016 tally and found I had watched 50 (counting co-director efforts), and this out of a bit over 250 films. Turns out it really does take a focused effort, which is a sad testament. So I decided I needed 52 as a bare minimum goal...currently at 6 (excluding shorts and a Netflix comedy special) on the year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 23, 2017, 12:12:34 PM
That sounds excessive. You've basically met the 52 goal unless you want to spit hairs, and to do better than that in a world that patronises women directors as little as ours would be difficult. Are you trying to raise you numbers to at least 126? Are there 126 movies directed by women that are worth watching every year? I mean, rarely are all the movies one sees worth watching, but you get my point.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on January 23, 2017, 03:37:55 PM
I had seen some people state as a filmic resolution to watch 52 films directed by women this year (so one per week). While an admirable goal, I figured I didn't need a resolution like that because I already try to prioritize the work of women. Then I went back and counted my 2016 tally and found I had watched 50 (counting co-director efforts), and this out of a bit over 250 films. Turns out it really does take a focused effort, which is a sad testament. So I decided I needed 52 as a bare minimum goal...currently at 6 (excluding shorts and a Netflix comedy special) on the year.


you did 50 out of 250 which is 20% of your films. How many films overall are directed by women last year? You probably did very well.

And what is special about 1 a week that you should feel compelled to be measured against as opposed to 1 out of ever 4 or some other random measurement?

For myself, I can't make any special decleration.  I am going to make it a point to watch try to watch 3 films a month in theatres and at least one Top 100 film.  But that might only give me 48 films for the year so I can't dedicate it anyway other than what I really must see
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 23, 2017, 08:03:18 PM
I imagine 20% is pretty good. But "one a week" doesn't sound like a lot so it was surprising that I didn't meet that threshold (even if only just). I'm not saying I'm going to start watching things I'm not interested just to meet a tally, but perhaps if I'm looking through my queue for something to watch, I'll prioritize.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: mañana on January 23, 2017, 11:26:39 PM
The end credit thank yous of Don't Think Twice are some of the name-droppingest ever
Special Filmspot category!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 24, 2017, 11:16:17 AM
I will write a review of Silence at some point, but before that, did Adam Driver lose a crazy amount of weight between SW movies?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 24, 2017, 11:51:33 AM
I thought he was skinny in the first one.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oneaprilday on January 24, 2017, 07:57:13 PM
The 39 Steps: "more suspenseful than Psycho" ~film student in my class

 8)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on January 24, 2017, 08:58:48 PM
I would agree.  But only because we live in a culture of Psycho spoilers.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 25, 2017, 03:24:52 PM
I have never in my life needed movies more than I do now. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 25, 2017, 03:29:03 PM
I feel like there are going to be a lot of posts that sound like that this year.

Hang on.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on January 26, 2017, 06:32:28 PM
I've been back on the forums for about 8 weeks (after a years-long hiatus) and I've probably seen 10 movies I never, ever would have considered without you guys (currently watching Gleason). It's so good to be back.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 26, 2017, 06:39:32 PM
Is any of those movies Long Way North?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on January 26, 2017, 06:41:27 PM
No, and there's no time for non-nominees.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 26, 2017, 06:57:18 PM
Nominee for Best Overlooked, no?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on January 26, 2017, 06:59:40 PM
Oh? I must have missed that.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 26, 2017, 09:13:28 PM
Yay Carly! We're glad to have you back!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 26, 2017, 10:11:16 PM
Yes, Carly, glad you're back. It is great to have more women on the forum!  Yeah us!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 30, 2017, 03:49:07 AM
X-Men: Apocalypse  (Bryan Singer, 2016)
I'm really surprised to have liked this — and I probably said the same thing about First Class. There's a ton of silliness and even stupidity here — e.g., the Four Horseman serve zero purpose for 99% of the movie — and the thoughtless murder of government soldiers is unsettling, but it's still a nice ride. The writing and editing do a really impressive job of juggling dozens of characters and storylines — it's like a 13-episode season compressed to two hours — and I've never been more impressed with Fassbender than here. The gravitas he brings to this bit of popcorn fun is downright staggering.
Grade: B-

I'm still trying to figure out if I was just in a good mood the night I watched this, or if this film really deserved to be on my Filmspot ballot for Editing. To that end, I did a little research and discovered that one of the editors, John Ottman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0653211/reference), was also responsible for the film's score. That fascinating combination has me instinctively feeling more confident in my earlier assessment.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 30, 2017, 10:01:20 AM
#humblebrag
I met John when he was in prep on Urban Legends: Final Cut. Nice guy. He's been working with Singer throughout his career, including The Usual Suspects, which has memorable editing and music.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: karlwinslow on January 30, 2017, 07:57:56 PM
X-Men: Apocalypse  (Bryan Singer, 2016)
I'm really surprised to have liked this — and I probably said the same thing about First Class. There's a ton of silliness and even stupidity here — e.g., the Four Horseman serve zero purpose for 99% of the movie — and the thoughtless murder of government soldiers is unsettling, but it's still a nice ride. The writing and editing do a really impressive job of juggling dozens of characters and storylines — it's like a 13-episode season compressed to two hours — and I've never been more impressed with Fassbender than here. The gravitas he brings to this bit of popcorn fun is downright staggering.
Grade: B-

I'm still trying to figure out if I was just in a good mood the night I watched this, or if this film really deserved to be on my Filmspot ballot for Editing. To that end, I did a little research and discovered that one of the editors, John Ottman (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0653211/reference), was also responsible for the film's score. That fascinating combination has me instinctively feeling more confident in my earlier assessment.

pixote

he's a mainstream Shane Carruth.

I remember really loving Fassy in the first two of the x-men reboot films (are they reboots? who cares...). Especially the first one. There was some serious depth and sadness in his performance. Loved it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on February 01, 2017, 06:52:58 PM
Possibly a really dumb question but I'll stick my neck out and ask it anyway:

How much do I need to know about Wolverine to enjoy Logan? 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 02, 2017, 02:58:10 AM
Probably very little judging from The Wolverine. If you know he is a mutant with a healing factor, an adamantium skeleton and claws you're good. If the story is as separated from the rest of the X-Men as I think it is.

A better question would perhaps be: How drunk do you need to be to enjoy Logan?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on February 02, 2017, 03:04:22 AM
Isn't it anticipated?  However, a few drinks can be easy enough to pull off ahead of the screening.   :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on February 02, 2017, 04:50:47 AM
Everything about Logan interests me. It looks awesome.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 02, 2017, 02:44:31 PM
I love watching the first fight scene in sequels to hero's journey movies, where the hero displays how kickass he's become since his journey's beginning, and completely massacres a group of enemies. So satisfying. Especially if he was a total inept in the first movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on February 05, 2017, 10:41:29 PM
For 2016, IMDB has 6 features and 7 short films titled Split
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on February 05, 2017, 11:30:13 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LPb5onIUVc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LPb5onIUVc)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 06, 2017, 07:13:44 AM
For 2016, IMDB has 6 features and 7 short films titled Split

Maybe it's all the same film "split" into difference films!? #ConspiracyTheory
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 06, 2017, 07:16:40 AM
Well, it is about multiple personalities...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on February 08, 2017, 04:59:22 AM
I put this here, because it is not about a review. Although the quotes are all from the Respond thread.

Whitewashing? This movie was whitewashed? That goes against the entire point of the movie! Now I am even allegedly angrier.
https://news.vice.com/story/oscar-nominated-hidden-figures-was-whitewashed-but-it-didnt-have-to-be
That's a pretty BS definition of white-washing. There's a lot of stuff in the movie that didn't happen both in favor of and at the expense of all of the characters in the movie, white and black alike. It's not shy about being a heavily romanticized version of events, depicting amalgamations of experiences and characters rather than 1:1 recreations.

Katherine Johnson has said that most of the racism at NASA depicted in the movie was not something she actually experienced there. That is a MUCH larger fabrication that much more severely changes the perception of race relations there, so if you're only complaining about the instances of positive depictions of white characters that seems pretty petty, and makes me question the motives of the article.

I got significantly less interested in Hidden Figures when I heard about the whitewashing in it.

Of course not going to see it because of white washing will drop the box office of the film and give the money people an excuse to say "see people don't won't to see black stories". So the problem becomes do you see it to support black stories?

P.S. I doubt I will be seeing it at the cinema, but I see very little at the cinema.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Melvil on February 08, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
I'd say see it because it's an enjoyable time at the movies first and foremost.

That said it is super cool to see the movie doing so well at the box-office. There will always be the "nothing is ever good enough" crowd, but I encourage you guys to see it for yourself to decide because they're really making a big deal out of nothing here, and this seems to me like a movie that should be totally uncontroversial to celebrate.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on February 08, 2017, 11:59:32 AM
*shrug* I don't like "based on a true story" movies to be making shit up. That annoys me in general, but especially when it has troubling racial implications. I don't think that makes me part of a "nothing is ever good enough" crowd, so please don't try to lump me into some strawman group. Thanks.

I see very little at the box office anyway, so I don't think the studio will take any action based on my potential ticket purchase.

And I still may see it, I'm just less interested than I was initially. At least now I know which grains of salt to have handy.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on February 08, 2017, 12:03:45 PM
I don't like "based on a true story" movies to be making shit up.

This kind of escapes me. You cannot expect a film to be a history lesson... that would make for a rather poor film most of the time. The biggest problem biopics have is precisely that they are obsessed with "getting it right" and forced to include stuff for no other reason than "well, it happened". I guess there's an argument to be made that many people will watch the film and take it for truth, but... well, they shouldn't. A movie isn't a historical source, it's not a piece of journalism. To me it has no duty to stick to the truth, at all.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on February 08, 2017, 12:32:19 PM
No, there's no duty, I just generally don't like it. It's not a hardline stance, of course there are plenty of exceptions. It depends on the nature of the fiction being presented... if it's a really transparent dramatic device, for example, that would bug me. Things done for the sake of presenting a more effective/convenient narrative (for instance, compressing a bunch of people into one character) are less problematic.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Melvil on February 08, 2017, 12:42:08 PM
*shrug* I don't like "based on a true story" movies to be making shit up. That annoys me in general, but especially when it has troubling racial implications. I don't think that makes me part of a "nothing is ever good enough" crowd, so please don't try to lump me into some strawman group. Thanks.

I wasn't at all, so you're welcome. :P I was lumping you in the "encourage you to see it yourself to decide" group. Is it not fair to want you to see the movie and judge it for yourself?

I tend to agree about "making shit up", but that really is this entire movie. You have to accept that it's playing very fast and loose with history (characters that represent general attitudes rather than specific individuals, decades of events compressed into a story of a few years, etc.).

If you can't get over that, that's totally okay, but I find the idea that "troubling racial implications" only works one way rather troubling in itself. Why is it okay to "make shit up" that vilifies the white characters, but as soon as one of them is portrayed positively they've gone too far? Calling it "whitewashing" is such an uncharitable and racially charged attack against a film that, while not great, I think really doesn't deserve it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on February 08, 2017, 12:54:58 PM
If you can't get over that, that's totally okay, but I find the idea that "troubling racial implications" only works one way rather troubling in itself. Why is it okay to "make shit up" that vilifies the white characters, but as soon as one of them is portrayed positively they've gone too far?

No, I wasn't aware of it happening the other way (exaggerating/inventing white villainy as opposed to exaggerating/inventing white heroism) until your post. That's problematic as well. Although IMO, it's not quite as problematic.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Melvil on February 08, 2017, 01:16:54 PM
That's problematic as well. Although IMO, it's not quite as problematic.

Eh, that's arguable I guess. I think the movie's position is that even if this stuff didn't happen at NASA, it's still "true" in that it happened elsewhere.

Considering how much of the movie is spent on these fabrications (including the running back and forth between buildings to use the colored bathrooms, which is a huge part of the movie and leads to the (apparently objectionable) scene where Kevin Costner abolishes the segregation (that didn't exist at that time), etc.), I just take issue with characterizing this movies form of fiddling with the truth "whitewashing". In at least this one instance, the true version is a more positive portrayal of race relations at the time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Melvil on February 08, 2017, 01:19:38 PM
Oh yeah, I was going to post these links. Probably the best part of the movie is it got me to do a bunch of reading/watching about the women it features!

Here's a cool interview with Katherine Johnson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=211&v=r8gJqKyIGhE

And I didn't fully read through this page but it seems to pretty accurately reflect what I've learned about the differences between the movie and the reality on at least a basic level:
http://www.historyvshollywood.com/reelfaces/hidden-figures/
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on February 08, 2017, 11:22:33 PM
I will be doing the same as I was planning to do anyway: watch it on DVD with my daughters.  The only difference is that I will tell my daughters about the added scenes to create a male/white savior and ask them if they think that's a bad thing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Melvil on February 09, 2017, 12:52:14 AM
Ugh. Guess I'm fighting an uphill battle here. Think what you want I guess but it's so unfortunate that the movie is being framed this way for people.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on February 09, 2017, 01:15:55 AM
I haven't seen the movie, but
Quote
Her white boss, played by Kevin Costner, discovers this only when Johnson returns to her desk from a bathroom break, drenched after running for half an hour in the rain. He is aghast, apparently having been unaware racism was taking place under his nose. So he picks up a crowbar, heads to the bathroom, and smashes the Colored Ladies Room sign. Then, as a crowd of black women look on, he delivers a powerful, funny rejection of Jim Crow segregation: “No more colored restrooms. No more white restrooms…. Here at NASA, we all pee the same color.”
This scene seems more like bad screenwriting meant to create drama than a serious attempt at creating a male/white saviour.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 09, 2017, 12:02:43 PM
*shrug* I don't like "based on a true story" movies to be making shit up. That annoys me in general, but especially when it has troubling racial implications.

Agreed on both counts.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Melvil on February 09, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
I haven't seen the movie, but
Quote
Her white boss, played by Kevin Costner, discovers this only when Johnson returns to her desk from a bathroom break, drenched after running for half an hour in the rain. He is aghast, apparently having been unaware racism was taking place under his nose. So he picks up a crowbar, heads to the bathroom, and smashes the Colored Ladies Room sign. Then, as a crowd of black women look on, he delivers a powerful, funny rejection of Jim Crow segregation: “No more colored restrooms. No more white restrooms…. Here at NASA, we all pee the same color.”
This scene seems more like bad screenwriting meant to create drama than a serious attempt at creating a male/white saviour.

Yeah, it's clunky like a lot of the movie, but total hyperbole to call him a white savior. Let's also not forget that the other two main white characters in the movie were also not real people, but were invented simply to be racist stereotypes, and the rest of the white cast is depicted as incompetent bigots (when in her own words, Katherine Johnson says she was treated as a peer and didn't experience the racism depicted in the movie). But apparently it's still too much that there's one scene where a white person does something redeeming.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: BlueVoid on February 09, 2017, 01:35:05 PM
I love iCM, but I also think that its flawed if you use it for what I use it for. I use movies which are in the most official top lists as my list of shame-- a guide to what I should watch next. This works, fairly well.. but I there are few issues. One, there are almost 200 lists-- a lot of them aren't fantastic or redundent. So if a movie is on 15 lists, some of the are ones I care little about.

The other issue is the fluctuations in lists. This is particularly bad in IMDB lists, which shake-up weekly. So, I developed two new scores.

Sticky Score: Gives a rating on how likely a film is to fall off a top list. It's calculated as such:
For each top list it is on:
Is film a sorted list (alphabetically or by year)?: 3 points (This is likely a static list and not likely to drop films)
Is film in top 25%? 3 points
Is film between 25-75%? 2 points
Otherwise: 1 point
If film is less than 2 years old: -1 point

Prestige Score: The goal of this score is to weight lists which I personally value. Each film is scored based on these tiers of lists:
Level 1 List: (Lists I am actively trying to complete) - 5 points
Level 2 List: (I consider list important) - 4 points
Level 4 List: 3 points
Level 5 List: 2 points
All other lists: .5 points

I manually tagged each list in one of those categories to calculate the score.

I wrote a plugin so that the scores could be tabulated while browsing iCM. Here's what it looks like:
(http://i.imgur.com/Zcfs47M.jpg)

Right now it only calculates movies in my unchecked list, and only has I view them. A top list is kept, but only added to if I have seen the film on iCM.
Currently my top 10s are:

Top Sticky Scores:
1.) Der blaue Engel - 44
2.) La nuit américaine - 41
3.) A Woman Under the Influence - 41
4.) Viskningar och rop - 40
5.) Le mépris - 39
6.) Amarcord - 38
7.) Zemlya - 38
8.) Picnic at Hanging Rock - 38
9.) Black Narcissus - 38
10.) Meet Me in St. Louis - 38

Top Prestige Scores:
1.) Kôkaku Kidôtai - 47
2.) A Woman Under the Influence - 46
3.) Secrets & Lies - 40.5
4.) To Have and Have Not - 40.5
5.) A Night at the Opera - 40
6.) La nuit américaine - 39.5
7.) Black Narcissus - 39.5
8.) Ba wang bie ji - 38.5
9.) Seppuku - 38.5
10.) Make Way for Tomorrow - 38
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on February 09, 2017, 01:38:46 PM
Brilliant!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: BlueVoid on February 09, 2017, 03:35:17 PM
Brilliant!

Thanks!

If anyone is interested, I've modified it to work with checked movies as well. Here are top 10 overall for the two scores.
Top Sticky Scores:
1.) The Godfather - 100
2.) 2001: A Space Odyssey - 98
3.) Lawrence of Arabia - 97
4.) Vertigo - 96
5.) Psycho - 94
6.) Casablanca - 94
7.) Star Wars - 94
8.) Citizen Kane - 94
9.) Ladri di biciclette - 90
10.) One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest - 87

Top Prestige Scores:
1.) 2001: A Space Odyssey - 117.5
2.) Star Wars - 115
3.) Vertigo - 114
4.) Lawrence of Arabia - 111
5.) Casablanca - 110.5
6.) The Godfather - 110
7.) Psycho - 106.5
8.) Pulp Fiction - 105.5
9.) Sen to Chihiro no kamikakushi - 104.5
10.) Annie Hall - 101.5
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on February 09, 2017, 05:10:03 PM
I'm interested, and I'm sure a lot of people over at the icmforum would be too. You might even message the guy who makes the ICM enhanced script and get him to add it to that if you're willing to share.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on February 09, 2017, 07:08:38 PM
I love it
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: BlueVoid on February 09, 2017, 11:25:59 PM
Thanks guys. I hadn't heard of the iCM enhanced script before. I will check it out. I am going to try and polish off a couple of features-- scores on individual film pages and a proper way to display top scores. Then I will work on a way to distribute it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on February 11, 2017, 04:23:07 AM
I was just listening to the most recent Radio National: The Final Cut podcast and it talked about how in eastern block countries instead of subtitles they would use voice over narration (translated). The person being interviewed found it odd at first, but then found it fine. Has anyone been to a session (or many sessions) with voice over narration instead of subtitles? Also these narrations would be done live at times (ie a person standing to the side of the screen voicing all the parts).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on February 11, 2017, 04:43:26 AM
Retaining the original dialogue, with the translator talking over it ? That's the way they translate stuff like political speeches and press conferences, but that's because it's live and you don't have subtitles ready... It's pretty terrible when you understand the original language, and I'd certainly prefer subtitles over it, but it probably beats dubbing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on February 11, 2017, 01:50:04 PM
I remember live translations from the '70/80s in East German cinemas. It was less widespread there than in other East European countries, almost exclusively used for older films in certain arthouse cinemas. That's different from prerecorded voice-over dubbing, which you can still find today, for example, in Poland or Russia.

A somewhat different but related area are theatre productions during festivals, tours, etc. Alongside subsurtitles, live translations are still pretty common.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on February 11, 2017, 01:52:16 PM
That's different from prerecorded voice-over dubbing, which you can still find today, for example, in Poland or Russia.
Like this: https://vimeo.com/45760451
I can't believe people watch things like that.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on February 11, 2017, 02:36:51 PM
I remember live translations from the '70/80s in East German cinemas.

How did you find the experience?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on February 11, 2017, 03:07:41 PM
If you don't understand the original language, it's not so bad and you get used to it after a while. It also depends on the translator and the amount of dialogue.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 12, 2017, 09:56:30 AM
I am opposed to any sound translation on principle.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: valmz on February 12, 2017, 04:29:28 PM
What does that even mean?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on February 12, 2017, 09:00:00 PM
I am opposed to any sound translation on principle.

It means he doesn't like this scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZH9fO1wsTU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZH9fO1wsTU)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 13, 2017, 09:31:32 AM
Now that's just slander.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on February 13, 2017, 06:59:05 PM
I have now seen 1001 movies*... does this mean I can die now ?

Wait, they meant 1001 specific ones ? That seems like a lot of work.

*well, checked 1001 of them on ICM anyway.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 14, 2017, 03:38:22 AM
That depends. Have you read 1001 books? I mean, the specific ones?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on February 14, 2017, 09:58:28 PM
That depends. Have you read 1001 books? I mean, the specific ones?

The thing about the book 1001 Books to Read Before You Die... I don't think it names itself. Therefor you don't have to read it, or the 1001 books it mentions. Loophole!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on February 15, 2017, 01:32:21 AM
I'm partial to the 1001 Wines You Must Try Before You Die but it is pretty much impossible.  A few things like a 1945 Bordeaux and even something from the 1800's I believe just aren't going to happen.  Trying to find the year suggested gets very difficult.

I briefly thought of trying to complete the 1001 movies but I know I would put myself through too many that I wouldn't like to discover a few gems that I hadn't seen.  It probably is not the most efficient way to find those gems
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 15, 2017, 03:31:53 AM
That depends. Have you read 1001 books? I mean, the specific ones?

The thing about the book 1001 Books to Read Before You Die... I don't think it names itself. Therefor you don't have to read it, or the 1001 books it mentions. Loophole!

You should be a financial lawyer.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on February 15, 2017, 10:36:04 AM
I've only read 60 of the 1001 Books (and another 7 that I've read signification portions of). Shame on me.

However, I've seen the movie adaptations of SO MANY of those books.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on February 15, 2017, 02:28:20 PM
Nothing is real:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oXk8q4zh5Y
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on February 15, 2017, 07:47:25 PM
On a slightly different topic, a bit of advice: if you plan on reading and heeding "1001 Sexual Positions to Try Before You Die," please, PLEASE, save No. 1001 for last.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on February 15, 2017, 09:11:43 PM
 :))
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on February 15, 2017, 09:24:01 PM
I've thought of the name for it... but it's far too crude to post here.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 16, 2017, 07:37:26 AM
Is that the one that kills you?

(I don't get the joke.)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on February 16, 2017, 11:09:30 AM
:-X!
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Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on February 16, 2017, 02:35:42 PM
:-X!

So it includes a gimp mask, very Pulp Fiction.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on February 21, 2017, 10:15:41 AM
I am continually impressed with Toby Jones, in his work and now with his own words. (from an interview)

When faced with the question "Who is Toby Jones?" he responds, "The reason I became an actor was to try and find out the answer to that question... Part of the reason people become actors is to explore areas of themselves that aren't immediately obvious. And one of the interesting things is to discover aspects of your personality you didn't know existed. As I get older, just to the point where people imagine that you should know who you are, I've decided I know less and less about who I am."

(and on watching his own work)

"It's endlessly disappointing to watch yourself on screen. You never look like you thought you were going to look when you played the part. There's always an area of discrepancy because you always look at what you haven't done. So it's often very disappointing to watch yourself, and as a result it's not something, you know, you run to do. I'm only relieved that other people are prepared to put up with it."

:) gotta love him!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 23, 2017, 04:40:29 AM
Now that Trainspotting 2 is coming out, however are we going to differentiate between T2 and T2 in conversation? I anticipate much confusion.
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Post by: Corndog on February 23, 2017, 08:38:32 AM
There will only ever be one true T2, right smirnoff?
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Post by: MartinTeller on February 23, 2017, 10:08:40 AM
Attention Bondo (and other interested parties): another women filmmakers box set in the works (https://www.flickeralley.com/classic-movies/#!/Early-Women-Filmmakers-An-International-Anthology/p/80085513/category=20414531)
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Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 23, 2017, 10:30:58 AM
Ooo, I like this one because it's early filmmakers. Always glad to see silent/early sound films get some love.
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Post by: Bondo on February 23, 2017, 11:00:31 AM
I wonder what overlap there will be with the kickstarter one (which I guess I should be getting by the end of the year).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on February 24, 2017, 12:48:29 AM
There will only ever be one true T2, right smirnoff?

Affirmative!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jeff Schroeck on February 24, 2017, 05:38:41 PM
Does Lawrence of Arabia have an Intermission spot?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on February 24, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
yes
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jeff Schroeck on February 24, 2017, 08:13:49 PM
Thanks! Though I now see that the film is split over two dvds anyway, so worrying about finding a good place to break it up was unnecessary.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on February 24, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
The bartender at a brewery I frequent looks like Nick Frost. So I call the place
The Winchester and wait until it all blows over.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 02, 2017, 06:57:05 AM
I am wondering whether I should make a poll for all Warner Bros. animated movies or if I should separate Warner Bros. Animation from Warner Animation Group.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 03, 2017, 09:40:11 AM
Why is Dorian Gray never fair, as described in the novel? I Googled about 15 adaptations of it and only two seem to have blond actors. It seems weird when the character's looks are such an important part of the story's premise.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: BlueVoid on March 04, 2017, 11:37:44 PM
Thanks guys. I hadn't heard of the iCM enhanced script before. I will check it out. I am going to try and polish off a couple of features-- scores on individual film pages and a proper way to display top scores. Then I will work on a way to distribute it.

I did some more work on this.

Basic run down of how it works:
- View 'Sticky' and 'Prestige' score on any list or in movie detail page. (View Original post (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=14228.msg863836#msg863836) for more information on what these mean.)
- Top 25 Sticky and Prestige scores can be viewed by clicking the link in "Movies" drop down nav.
- You can customize exactly how the Prestige score is tabulated. Go to the 'Progress' page to put particular lists in certain levels and assign point weights to the levels. Essentially this creates a weighted list score.

I'm not going to 'release' this plugin since it does scrape iCM pages (although this is minimized) and because its not my finest code-- it was just hacked together when I had a spare few minutes here and there.

However, if you are curious and want to give it a try, you can find it here (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/40385770/icmPrestigeScore.user.js). You will need Greasemonkey (Firefox) or Tampermonkey (Chrome) for it to work. Please note: For the first little bit that you run this it might take a while to load in scores. This is because it has to go out and fetch all data on top lists and movies. Eventually these things will be saved and it should be much faster.

Disclaimer: I've done very little testing of this. It works on my windows computer in Chrome. It should work so long as you have Greasemonkey or Tampermonkey, but no guarantees. Also it may not work with other iCM plugins (I didn't try), and almost certainly will not work with the iCM Beta pages. If you notice any weirdness, just uninstall the script.

Let me know if you think it could be improved!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 12, 2017, 12:27:03 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/5dN8nlQ.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/TWINxaS.jpg)

I feel like both of these actors have reached their perfect age and look. Can we freeze them?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 12, 2017, 04:30:39 AM
Nah, Jackman looked better about five years ago.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 15, 2017, 12:16:06 AM
Bored? Looking for something to click that will make you not bored? Alone in the Wilderness (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNXFJ1AMHrM#no) in full. #oldschoolcool
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 23, 2017, 09:15:47 PM
Met Whit Stillman tonight. He was at Baylor giving a lecture. Tomorrow there doing a viewing of Metropolitan, but I'm not sure I'd be up for that given how tiring the past few days have been.

He said lots of interesting things, most of which he said he'd deny if told publicly, so I'll refrain from sharing all the juicy topics he covered. I will say that I had no idea he was a Christian and he had some interesting perspectives on certain well-regarded filmmakers in light of his faith.

Didn't really feel up for a picture so I have no photographic evidence. I was even on the fence about going because I'm so tired, but I'm glad I went.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on March 23, 2017, 09:39:48 PM
I'd love to hear some of those opinions.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 24, 2017, 07:13:29 AM
Is Michael Keaton making a comeback?
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Post by: Teproc on April 11, 2017, 02:24:31 PM
Not sure where to post this, but there you go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-FS6DYy8HU

No understanding of French (or indeed any language) required.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on April 13, 2017, 02:02:47 AM
That was really fun.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on April 13, 2017, 03:30:57 AM
That was really fun.

I know right ? They have a whole series of these (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGgP-iwu9i_wztABw29Zo-IrIJHFoFUqA), with either themes like this one or directors. They also have a lot of other fun stuff, but in French.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on April 13, 2017, 04:28:22 AM
Tokyo Museum of Modern Art just released 64 classic japanese animated movies online for free.

http://animation.filmarchives.jp/works?page=4
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on April 18, 2017, 05:33:04 AM
Is Winter's Bone film noir?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on April 18, 2017, 06:43:55 AM
I would say no. That was my gut reaction. I had a look at Wikipedia and they define film noir as:

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used primarily to describe stylish Hollywood crime dramas, particularly such that emphasize cynical attitudes and sexual motivations. ... Film noir of this era (1940s and 1950s) is associated with a low-key black-and-white visual style that has roots in German Expressionist cinematography.

So Winter's Bone is a crime drama, and it is cynical (or more arguably realist), but there are no sexual motivations. Further its visual style is not rooted in German Expressionism. That said there is a strong case to be made the the TV series Veronica Mars is noir, but it has all the 3 elements mentioned earlier (and its credentials are helped by it being about a private detective, which for me is a strong indication that the film/TV series could be noir), but Veronica Mars does not have the visual style roots.

In the end there seems to be 4 criteria (crime, cynical, sexual and visual), Winter's Bone has 2 of them, so therefore is not noir.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on April 18, 2017, 10:13:20 AM
There is a ton of noir that has nothing to do with sex.

I have some fairly rigid rules for my definition of "film noir" including a restriction on anything made after roughly 1962. Neo-noir, however, is a lot looser. When I saw Winter's Bone, I described it as "kind of an Ozark gangster neo-noir".
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on April 22, 2017, 06:00:08 AM
Ten minutes on Letterboxd and I have many thoughts.

There are more versions of 47 Samurai than I knew.

I used to think Chamberlain was a big star. Turns out he was not.

Toshiro Mifune was in Shogun? Cool.

There is an original Bourne movie? And the main character is the Jackal?

There is also a remake of Night of the Hunter apparently.

Love the premise of Sword of Doom. Might add it to the marathon.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on April 22, 2017, 07:02:23 PM
I think you mean Richard Chamberlain, and he was a huge star in the 60s and 80s, but not so much in theatre films, but on televsion.  Dr. Kildare, Shogun and The Thorn Birds.  In theatre films, I remember him in The Count of Monte Cristo and The Three Musketeers.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on April 22, 2017, 08:05:28 PM
The Slipper and the Rose!

He's a good singer too. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwNwvXAQ5l4#t=3m54s#no)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on April 22, 2017, 10:24:35 PM
There should be a deathmatch poll for Trouble in Mind vs. Streets of Fire.

Or maybe there is? I was too lazy to check.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 22, 2017, 11:38:17 PM
Why Trouble in Mind? I remember Choose Me as having the similar red neon aesthetic.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on April 23, 2017, 12:39:34 AM
There are more versions of 47 Samurai than I knew.

Didn't I tell you?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on April 23, 2017, 04:04:09 AM
Yeah, but it's different when you actually see the list.
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Post by: goodguy on April 23, 2017, 12:26:51 PM
Why Trouble in Mind? I remember Choose Me as having the similar red neon aesthetic.

I don't think I've seen Choose Me. I just rewatched Trouble in Mind and rewatched Streets of Fire a couple of years ago. Both aren't really good films, but made an impression among other 80's US mainstream fare when I first saw them, not just for their neon aesthetic, but the vaguely displaced retro setting, the fetishized wardrobe and appearance of the bad guys, the general attitude of the characters, so clichéd, but still somehow compelling, the absurdity of the plot, etc. SoF didn't do much for me upon revisit, but I remain somewhat fond of the elegiac mood of TiM, despite its general silliness.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 23, 2017, 01:27:21 PM
Solidly recommend Choose Me, the alt-setting creates a lush mood. Like a cerebral version of a trashy romance. It doesn't have the fetishized wardrobe of Trouble in Mind, but the mood gets into everything.
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Post by: MattDrufke on April 23, 2017, 04:58:04 PM
For the amazing technical work that most of the Lord Of The Rings & Hobbit movies have, they sure could not find a decent-looking stand-in for Martin Freeman in the last twenty minutes of the movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on April 24, 2017, 09:07:06 AM
Solidly recommend Choose Me, the alt-setting creates a lush mood. Like a cerebral version of a trashy romance. It doesn't have the fetishized wardrobe of Trouble in Mind, but the mood gets into everything.

Thanks. Just got it from my library.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 30, 2017, 03:43:05 PM
Ben Affleck commentary on Armageddon (https://streamable.com/eop91) - Very funny. :~)
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Post by: 1SO on April 30, 2017, 09:44:58 PM
One of the best. Too bad he wouldn't be allowed to do the same with Batman v. Superman. Shows how much the industry has changed that Affleck wasn't worried about Michael Bay or Jerry Bruckheimer calling him again, but he's strapped into the DC Universe well beyond just a single film.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on May 09, 2017, 10:34:16 AM
Was it just me or did the first fight scene of The Guardians of the Galaxy 2 remind them of the BTVS episode The Zeppo?

That was my immediate reaction in the theater: baby groot = Xander

Apparently not just me:

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In Guardian’s opening credits, Baby Groot dances to ELO’s “Mr. Blue Sky” while the rest of the heroes do battle with a gigantic space-slug in the background. It’s a nice concept, just like it was in the Buffy episode “The Zeppo"

http://www.vulture.com/2017/05/baby-groot-is-bad.html?mid=facebook_vulture


Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on May 09, 2017, 11:38:08 AM
Was it just me or did the first fight scene of The Guardians of the Galaxy 2 remind them of the BTVS episode The Zeppo?

That was my immediate reaction in the theater: baby groot = Xander

Apparently not just me:

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In Guardian’s opening credits, Baby Groot dances to ELO’s “Mr. Blue Sky” while the rest of the heroes do battle with a gigantic space-slug in the background. It’s a nice concept, just like it was in the Buffy episode “The Zeppo"

http://www.vulture.com/2017/05/baby-groot-is-bad.html?mid=facebook_vulture

100%. 5 seconds into it, I went (internally), "Oh, they're doing The Zeppo, that's fun !".
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on May 10, 2017, 07:15:43 PM
Am i the only one who likes the MCU and their films but doesn't care about the new Spider-Man?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on May 10, 2017, 07:28:50 PM
I didn't care about the new Spider-Man but then I saw Tom Holland's performance on Lip Sync Battle and became interested.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on May 10, 2017, 07:35:34 PM
My worry is that Tony Stark will be in it too damn much. I'm really tired of Iron Man. Michael Keaton makes me want to see it, though.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on May 10, 2017, 08:37:22 PM
I didn't care about the new Spider-Man but then I saw Tom Holland's performance on Lip Sync Battle Captain America: Civil War and became interested.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 11, 2017, 06:01:53 AM
Am i the only one who likes the MCU and their films but doesn't care about the new Spider-Man?

Do you not care for the character in general or are you just over him after five movies?

I didn't care about the new Spider-Man but then I saw Tom Holland's performance on Lip Sync Battle Captain America: Civil War and became interested.

Word.

My worry is that Tony Stark will be in it too damn much. I'm really tired of Iron Man. Michael Keaton makes me want to see it, though.

RDJ can never be enough in anything. Especially in a Marvel movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on May 11, 2017, 06:46:57 AM
Am i the only one who likes the MCU and their films but doesn't care about the new Spider-Man?

Do you not care for the character in general or are you just over him after five movies?

I think it's the latter. Spider-Man was my superhero of choice as a kid. I had all spidey toys but I'm just very eh for the movie. I don't know why.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on May 11, 2017, 09:48:38 AM
I'm really tired of Iron Man.

Good lord yes. I would be totally fine with never seeing RDJ's smug, stupid face ever again.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on May 11, 2017, 10:46:03 AM
I like RDJ in other things a lot, but I feel like his Iron Man character overstayed his welcome. I was hoping he would be replaced by War Machine after Age of Ultron.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: aewade90 on May 17, 2017, 12:59:45 AM
I like RDJ in other things a lot, but I feel like his Iron Man character overstayed his welcome. I was hoping he would be replaced by War Machine after Age of Ultron.

I'm late on this, but as the MCU films go on and expand, I feel like characters are relegated to much broader strokes. I end up getting a very Jack Sparrow style feel from Stark at this point.

An aside - I think, after many many years, I've finally settled on Kill Bill (Vol 1 and 2, natch) as the best Tarantino. Pulp Fiction has had its edge worn by imitators over the years (despite those films individual successes) but Kill Bill remains this volatile mix of genre influences that I don't know if anyone could even attempt, let alone match.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 17, 2017, 04:03:21 AM
Jack Sparrow is a cartoon character, a composite of quirks and eccentricities. They make up backstory as they go along and his level of loyalty and courage fluctuate to best accommodate the plot. Stark has had a defined personality since the first movie and it has not changed except in ways justified by his character arcs, of which he has one in every movie he's been in, however bad it might have been. He is the opposite of broad, we know exactly who he is, and for that reason, the movies do not need to reassert it anymore.
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Post by: aewade90 on May 17, 2017, 05:10:21 AM
That's my bad, I probably should have said "performance" instead of "character", I think. I'm definitely with you in how Stark is better defined as a character, but I think both Downey Jrs and Depp's performances are comparable in that there's formulaic on-screen appearances. Depp's is an issue with the foundation of the franchise, but RDJ's is more of the fact that Stark is getting less and less screen time as the MCU evolves - but just like Jack Sparrow is gonna warble around in a scene and end it with "...ah" and an eyebrow raise, when Tony Stark is on screen lately you know he's going to throw out a snarky one-liner, maybe get a bit angsty, and say another one-liner with a solemn look.

There's an argument there that RDJ has been part of an ensemble or supporting cast in the last couple of Stark appearances as opposed to Depp being front and centre the entire time, but lately I've felt that Marvel is trending towards that anyway; the effect is just lessened because they've got such a crowded cast (numerically and qualitatively) that any 'schtick' is obscured by the good stuff.

I also find I'm second-guessing myself a lot of times with megafranchises though (especially when discussing them on the internet) and while I find myself becoming more and more cynical with each installment, I have a lot of fun with Marvel movies...certainly a hell of a lot more than I did with Pirates 2 onwards at least!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 18, 2017, 03:51:48 PM
The pig in Sing should be a chief engineer, not a singer.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on May 18, 2017, 05:44:09 PM
I love the trend in animated film that is drawing plot points from ancient mythology. 
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Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 18, 2017, 05:58:24 PM
I feel like we're not talking about Sing anymore.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on May 18, 2017, 06:14:09 PM
Well, maybe.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on May 19, 2017, 12:17:49 PM
Check out The Headless Women of Hollywood blog (http://headlesswomenofhollywood.com/), which highlights how movie marketing dehumanizes women by displaying them as an assortment of body parts.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on May 22, 2017, 08:03:39 AM
Who's been alongside Michael Fassbender, Olivia Wilde, Rowan Atkinson and Stephen Fry?

(Trivia question from tonight) :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 22, 2017, 08:24:17 AM
Hugh Laurie

I've never seen him with Fassbender but he 3/3 for the other ones.
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Post by: chardy999 on May 22, 2017, 06:51:21 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 23, 2017, 03:52:14 AM
So what's the Fassbender movie? I cannot find it on Google.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on May 23, 2017, 06:53:48 AM
So what's the Fassbender movie? I cannot find it on Google.

I don't know. That was the one I couldn't place at the time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on May 23, 2017, 07:28:03 AM
I just looked at their IMDBs and didn't notice any matches. Maybe they mistook him for Tom Hiddleston in The Night Manager?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 23, 2017, 09:38:41 AM
Was this a pub quizz sort of thing?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on May 24, 2017, 08:47:38 AM
Was this a pub quizz sort of thing?

It was. I am now suspicious!

Anyway, a nice kind of question to get.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on May 24, 2017, 06:20:59 PM
Maybe they stood beside each other at an awards show?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on May 31, 2017, 08:19:14 PM
If everyone had to ballpark it, how many movies do you think you watch for every movie that comes along and blows you away? Like a full 10/10 or Top-100 worthy or however you want to think of that top tier.

Or like, for every hundred movies you watch, how many would you say are top level experiences?

I'm just kind of curious what people would consider a lull. For instance, personally, if I haven't seen something in a calender year that makes my top 100, that's kind of my benchmark for defining a lull. But if I can add one thing to my top 100 in a year, I'm really happy about it.



Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on May 31, 2017, 09:28:58 PM
Obviously I'd love for it to be higher, but I hang in there if 1 out of 4 are B or better, 1 out of 16 are B+ or better, 1 out of 64 are A- or better and 1 out of 256 are A/Top 100 worthy. So that would mean 1-2 per year into the top 100.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on May 31, 2017, 09:29:23 PM
2013 saw the release of 11 films I consider Essential. There were 7 in 2014, but only 2 in 2015, none last year and none so far this year. I wondered if my standards have grown too high for many films to reach that top tier, but I watch Essentials from just a few years ago and find them to be every bit as good now. I have 45 Essentials from this decade.

I am keeping track of my Discoveries for a final 20 at the end of the year. 7 Discoveries I rated Very Good and none higher than that. The last movie to "blow me away" was Dawn of the Planet of the Apes (2014). So I think I'm in a lull right now, but I'm still finding good movies.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on June 01, 2017, 12:53:25 AM
If everyone had to ballpark it, how many movies do you think you watch for every movie that comes along and blows you away? Like a full 10/10 or Top-100 worthy or however you want to think of that top tier.


I haven't tracked what I watched very well for the last couple of years but I think it is probably very few.  Maybe 2 to 3 out of 100 seems about correct.  I've had periods where I started to lose interest in watching a lot of films and find it hard to get excited to want to watch something and then I hit one of those films that blow me away and I can't wait to have that experience again, even if I have to watch 100 more duds
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 01, 2017, 03:05:47 AM
If everyone had to ballpark it, how many movies do you think you watch for every movie that comes along and blows you away? Like a full 10/10 or Top-100 worthy or however you want to think of that top tier.

I must watch somewhere over 200 movies a year and ever since my first Top 100 two years ago I've been adding new movies to my top lists. They're both new releases and discoveries. Out of the top of my head, I would say 3 to 6 Top 100 a year sounds about right. To me that means movies that rate 9/10 or higher. Then again, the list is very young, and I have watched way fewer movies than most people here.

I think I also have a good ratio of 8/10 movies I think, which is what I hope every movie I watch will turn out to be, but that's because I tend to concentrate on my niches.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on June 01, 2017, 05:07:38 AM
Way too much of my movie viewing is down time action/no brain stuff. So I do not expect to be blown away very often at all. Happy to just enjoy 2 hours of entertainment. The 2 most recent movies to blow me away were The Raid and Mad Max: Fury Road.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 01, 2017, 08:13:49 AM
My viewing anymore is so directed (Marathons and new releases) that I would say I rarely anymore get Top 100 worthy stuff, but I chalk that up mostly to my viewing habits. If I were to shift to try and seek those movies out, I imagine I would be far more successful.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on June 01, 2017, 09:12:41 AM
My viewing anymore is so directed (Marathons and new releases) that I would say I rarely anymore get Top 100 worthy stuff, but I chalk that up mostly to my viewing habits. If I were to shift to try and seek those movies out, I imagine I would be far more successful.

Bit of a sad answer. Do you watch movies to tick boxes?


As for breaking a lull, perhaps go with a rewatch of something you feel you didn't appreciate for whatever reason the first time round. That's worked countless times for me.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on June 01, 2017, 09:42:35 AM
The last time I added a new movie my top 250 was Remember the Night, which I saw in March 2014. I have very very few "blow me away" experiences these days, partly because 1) I've seen most of the acknowledged classics and an awful lot of the hidden gems that are likely to appeal to me, and 2) I don't watch nearly as many movies as I used to. On the up side, because I've gotten so much more selective about what I watch, I very rarely have a bad experience. Of the 55 movies (not counting rewatches or stand-up specials) I've seen in the past year, only 15 were below the "lime green" (mid-to-high "good") range. The rest were all at least pretty decent, very worthwhile.

Of the less-than-good 15 movies, 4 were disappointing true crime docs, 1 was for top 100 club, 1 was Manos: Hands of Fate (so it was entertainingly terrible), and 1 was my wife's choice.

I would say Sing Street (which I saw in October 2016) could possibly enter my top 250 list, as could Watership Down (May 2015). Now that I think about it, so could my watches Teproc's top 100 club: Timbuktu and Our Little Sister.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 01, 2017, 09:54:23 AM
My viewing anymore is so directed (Marathons and new releases) that I would say I rarely anymore get Top 100 worthy stuff, but I chalk that up mostly to my viewing habits. If I were to shift to try and seek those movies out, I imagine I would be far more successful.

Bit of a sad answer. Do you watch movies to tick boxes?

Not entirely. My marathons are typically constructed to focus on things I'm interested in seeing to begin with, they are just sometimes more focused and therefore more restrictive than "this is a movie I want to see". It's more like "this is a Western movie I want to see", or something like that.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on June 01, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
The last time I added a new movie my top 250 was Remember the Night, which I saw in March 2014. I have very very few "blow me away" experiences these days, partly because 1) I've seen most of the acknowledged classics and an awful lot of the hidden gems that are likely to appeal to me, and 2) I don't watch nearly as many movies as I used to. On the up side, because I've gotten so much more selective about what I watch, I very rarely have a bad experience. Of the 55 movies (not counting rewatches or stand-up specials) I've seen in the past year, only 15 were below the "lime green" (mid-to-high "good") range. The rest were all at least pretty decent, very worthwhile.

Do you ever feel compelled to just sit down with something you know you'll love (an old favourite) over something new and unknown?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on June 01, 2017, 11:18:26 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/JFh6sBc.png)

If you thought Malkovich was old now, just wait till he's 175 years old!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on June 01, 2017, 11:25:46 PM
The last time I added a new movie my top 250 was Remember the Night, which I saw in March 2014. I have very very few "blow me away" experiences these days, partly because 1) I've seen most of the acknowledged classics and an awful lot of the hidden gems that are likely to appeal to me, and 2) I don't watch nearly as many movies as I used to. On the up side, because I've gotten so much more selective about what I watch, I very rarely have a bad experience. Of the 55 movies (not counting rewatches or stand-up specials) I've seen in the past year, only 15 were below the "lime green" (mid-to-high "good") range. The rest were all at least pretty decent, very worthwhile.

Do you ever feel compelled to just sit down with something you know you'll love (an old favourite) over something new and unknown?

Sure, all the time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on June 01, 2017, 11:29:44 PM
The last time I added a new movie my top 250 was Remember the Night, which I saw in March 2014. I have very very few "blow me away" experiences these days, partly because 1) I've seen most of the acknowledged classics and an awful lot of the hidden gems that are likely to appeal to me, and 2) I don't watch nearly as many movies as I used to. On the up side, because I've gotten so much more selective about what I watch, I very rarely have a bad experience. Of the 55 movies (not counting rewatches or stand-up specials) I've seen in the past year, only 15 were below the "lime green" (mid-to-high "good") range. The rest were all at least pretty decent, very worthwhile.

Do you ever feel compelled to just sit down with something you know you'll love (an old favourite) over something new and unknown?

Sure, all the time.

:) I'm the same way. I'm curious, what films do you find to be the most rewatchable? Or the ones you find yourself rewatching most. I don't seem to revisit the dark, hardcore stuff anymore (Requiem for a Dream for instance). It's stuff like The Matrix, Inception, The Martian, etc that I stick to now. I used to be a more adventurous film watcher I think.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on June 01, 2017, 11:31:13 PM
comfort films... Airplane, Stop Making Sense, Blues Brothers, The Scent of Green Papaya/The Vertical Ray of the Sun, Girl Walk/All Day, Linda Linda Linda
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on June 01, 2017, 11:33:31 PM
Comfort films.That's a good way of putting it. There's a top 5 idea. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 02, 2017, 04:44:17 AM
Rewatching more stuff is one of my resolutions for 2017.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on June 02, 2017, 08:19:11 AM
If you thought Malkovich was old now, just wait till he's 175 years old!

I'm hoping the release date gets moved up.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 02, 2017, 08:21:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/JFh6sBc.png)

If you thought Malkovich was old now, just wait till he's 175 years old!

I actually worked with that project. It's a zany idea.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 09, 2017, 05:58:30 AM
This is turning out to be a poor movie year. At this point last year I had watched a number of movies that ended up in my Top 10 and even more had been released in the US. At this point last year, Civil War and Deadpool had come out, I had watched Hail Caesar!, my number one movie, as well as Everybody Wants Some!! and US audiences had been able to see Sing Street. Except for a couple of animates movies I cannot think of something I would put in my Top 10 this year yet.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on June 09, 2017, 06:33:48 AM
Get Out was released and would be a fitting #1 of the year in most years. Wonder Woman is my #6 right now. Given that we are only five months into the year (and I haven't been an active moviegoer), let's say Wonder Woman drops to #15. That sounds like a good year to me.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 09, 2017, 06:40:34 AM
Got to get to your review of WW.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on June 09, 2017, 08:46:17 AM
Will probably count Silence as a 2017 film because it didn't drop here until February. Also Get Out and The Lost City of Z will likely be in my top 10 of the year unless this year gets bonkers good at the tail-end.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 09, 2017, 08:50:00 AM
The only one of those I liked was Get Out. It was good, but  not Top 10 good.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 11, 2017, 11:22:00 PM
This is turning out to be a poor movie year. At this point last year I had watched a number of movies that ended up in my Top 10 and even more had been released in the US. At this point last year, Civil War and Deadpool had come out, I had watched Hail Caesar!, my number one movie, as well as Everybody Wants Some!! and US audiences had been able to see Sing Street. Except for a couple of animates movies I cannot think of something I would put in my Top 10 this year yet.

There are only a couple of standouts for me, but I feel like June is the month where things seem to be kicking off, though I imagine there will be a bit of summer dead time as usual. Your Name is likely my favorite film at this point in the year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 19, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
Had to share:

http://imgur.com/gallery/SMfAc (http://imgur.com/gallery/SMfAc)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on June 19, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
Pretty funny.  I lost at Uwe Boll.   Actually, that reminds me...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on June 19, 2017, 11:47:19 AM
Coke is part of a "well-balanced" meal ? I guess that makes sense for Spielberg though. I lost at Lynch.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on June 19, 2017, 04:19:58 PM
My favourites were Uwe and Peter Jackson.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on June 20, 2017, 09:56:39 PM
I dropped down to one screen at a time streaming for Netflix. I also let my parents stream on my account in the rare occasions they do. Tonight my attempt to stream was barred by a viewing of Beverly Hills Chihuahua 2...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on June 21, 2017, 04:19:54 AM
So you had already seen it?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 21, 2017, 07:50:25 AM
Not sure where to put this, but just found out about this restaurant in my town:

The Light of Seven Matchsticks

Discreetly tucked away in the basement of Worthington coal-fired pizza and live-music joint Natalie’s is boxcar-sized speakeasy the Light of Seven Matchsticks. It’s got all the whimsy of the Wes Anderson film from which it takes its name (the title of a fictional book in Moonrise Kingdom): dim lighting, green velvet booths, 1920s music, and secret cocktail menus hidden (always on page 166) in leather-bound library books. If seats are scarce, write your order on a book checkout card, slip your drink order into the mail slot next to the bar, knock twice, and wait for your drink to arrive.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on June 21, 2017, 07:59:43 AM
So you had already seen it?

I have not. It doesn't limit to you of one screen per film, you can only be watching one of anything at a given time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 21, 2017, 09:09:35 AM
Are the restaurant's prices suitably hipsterish?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 21, 2017, 09:18:00 AM
My favourites were Uwe and Peter Jackson.

Tim Burton's one of the most accurate, and the funniest.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on June 21, 2017, 09:39:24 AM
So you had already seen it?

:)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 21, 2017, 03:14:55 PM
Emma Watson was supposed to be in La La Land? I don't know how to feel about that.

Seriously, should I rage? Should I sing? I am so confused.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on June 21, 2017, 04:18:35 PM
The awards prognosticator in me wonders how a Miles Teller/Emma Watson La La Land would have changed things. I keep thinking it wouldn't have done as well despite all the film has going it for aesthetically.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: aewade90 on June 23, 2017, 09:42:40 AM
I really don't think it would have - outside of the roles they play, both Stone and Gosling have had pretty big recognition on their personalities that Watson definitely hasn't, and has been largely negative for Teller. Also, given Watson's singing in Beauty and the Beast, thank god they didn't go that route. Stone and Gosling's public personas are also pretty close to the roles, as well, now that I think about it.

The more I think about La La Land, though, the less I actually want to go back and revisit it. As someone who definitely wasn't raised with musicals and actively avoided them for the most part until recently, La La Land was almost revelatory in the cinema and also coincided with a point in my personal life where being bombarded with something so relentlessly upbeat and flashy in a way that didn't involved VFX-induced headaches was just perfect. I don't think it can top that, but there was also almost a two-month gap between that and being able to see other Oscar Best Picture nominees that just absolutely blew it out of the water, especially Moonlight which really truly underscored a lot in cinematic language and social commentary that La La Land didn't really have.

I really want to remember La La Land as fondly as I did coming out of that theatre, and ironically it's made me a bit terrified to buy the blu-ray and rewatch it any time soon.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on June 23, 2017, 07:13:23 PM
Today i learned that Sean Connery has an Academy Award. And it's for The Untouchables.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on June 23, 2017, 11:56:06 PM
I'm happy with that.  It's his lifetime achievement award.   "Thank you, Sean, for making us fall in love with you again and again."
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 26, 2017, 05:34:31 AM
If an actor plays two roles in a movie is he twice eligible for awards or does it count as a single performance?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on June 26, 2017, 05:41:19 AM
My understanding is that they win for their performance in a movie, not for the specific character in the movie. So Cate Blanchett's 13 roles in Manifesto, or Alec Guinness's 8 or 9 characters in Kind Hearts and Coronets would both be eligible.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: chardy999 on June 28, 2017, 08:11:31 AM
My understanding is that they win for their performance in a movie, not for the specific character in the movie. So Cate Blanchett's 13 roles in Manifesto, or Alec Guinness's 8 or 9 characters in Kind Hearts and Coronets would both be eligible.

Corollary of sorts... does Betty Elms' soapie character have a name in Mulholland Dr.?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 28, 2017, 02:26:42 PM
There were six credited writers for the new Spider-Man? That's not usually a good sign, right?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on June 28, 2017, 02:48:58 PM
Usually a sign of multiple revisions which often is endemic of an unfocused script. Looking at the credits, it looks like there were three different teams of screenwriters and a fourth team that wrote the initial story. That sounds terrible.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on June 28, 2017, 03:08:13 PM
Don't stress my expectations. It's a Wonderful Life had 6 writers and it turned out alright.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 28, 2017, 03:28:46 PM
Yeah, stop it you guys, it's going to be a great movie. I don't need these doubts right now.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on June 28, 2017, 03:30:25 PM
Unless they add Apes to it, I am having my doubts it will be great.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on June 28, 2017, 04:59:29 PM
My understanding is that it underwent several revisions but kept enough from each that the WGA ruled that credit should be given.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 28, 2017, 09:17:46 PM
Waiting on these Okja reactions.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 29, 2017, 07:20:43 AM
Spider-Man: Homecoming is good! There are a few issues with it, but it felt focused enough to me to not think to myself while watching it "Geez, how many people must have written this thing!?" It was just a thought I had while looking up the run time before my screening and realizing there were 6 writers, which as everyone has pointed out often means revisions and rewrites which traditionally doesn't bode well. I didn't feel it here, which is good.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on June 29, 2017, 07:45:21 AM
That's encouraging. I do want it to be good.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jeff Schroeck on July 04, 2017, 02:02:22 PM
Does anybody know if a copy of Michael O'Donahue & Mitch Glazer's original Scrooged script exists online?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on July 05, 2017, 07:53:14 AM
Does anybody know if a copy of Michael O'Donahue & Mitch Glazer's original Scrooged script exists online?

I can only find the 7th draft. (http://screenplayexplorer.com/wp-content/scripts/Scrooged.pdf) Don't know if this is the dark version that has been referred to and then Murray and co. just changed it during filmmaking.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jeff Schroeck on July 05, 2017, 08:12:44 AM
Does anybody know if a copy of Michael O'Donahue & Mitch Glazer's original Scrooged script exists online?

I can only find the 7th draft. (http://screenplayexplorer.com/wp-content/scripts/Scrooged.pdf) Don't know if this is the dark version that has been referred to and then Murray and co. just changed it during filmmaking.

Thanks! I saw that this revision was used for a live reading, so it's probably safe to assume it's different enough to warrant that performance.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on July 10, 2017, 06:45:59 AM
This kind of relates to the recent SVU podcast on multilingual films, but To The Wonder is a film that has French, Italian, English and I think even Spanish. Each of these is subtitled in English. Then it has someone using sign language and the captioning just said [Person speaking in sign language]. It feels insulting to not translate the ASL like you would a spoken language.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 10, 2017, 06:53:06 AM
Unless ASL is meant to not be understood by the audience, like an additional foreign language that the main character is not able to follow. I don't know if that's the case of To the Wonder.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on July 10, 2017, 07:08:33 AM
This kind of relates to the recent SVU podcast on multilingual films, but To The Wonder is a film that has French, Italian, English and I think even Spanish. Each of these is subtitled in English. Then it has someone using sign language and the captioning just said [Person speaking in sign language]. It feels insulting to not translate the ASL like you would a spoken language.

But insulting to whom?

I don't know in the context of this movie, but I think it depends on if it was meant to be understood or not as DH mentioned. In the theater they probably would not use the caption [Person speaking in sign language], either it got translated or not. If it wasn't meant to be understood they best just to leave the entire caption off.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on July 10, 2017, 05:53:27 PM
In the context of the film I did not get the sense that we were in the place of a character who did not understand the ASL. Basically by not translating the ASL it becomes gibberish. It would be like putting [speaking Chinese] while having someone speak in stereotypical fake Chinese or something.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on July 11, 2017, 02:00:55 AM
If the ASL is accurate and not gibberish then it's not the same as having someone speak in fake Chinese, it's like having someone speak real Chinese and put [speaking Chinese] instead of translating. It's still a bit strange if other languages are translated and that one isn't without a contextual reason, I can even understand considering it insulting (I can't remember the language details of To The Wonder well enough to judge), but it's not on the same level as using fake ASL would be.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on July 11, 2017, 04:13:28 AM
Where did you watch it, Bondo?  Was it Netflix?  They are known for issues with captions and they are likely with how the film originally was in the theater

http://awkwardnetflixcaptions.tumblr.com/

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on July 11, 2017, 06:15:34 AM
Yes, it was on Netflix.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on July 17, 2017, 02:37:42 PM
Mom wants you all to see Maudie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3721954/reference).

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on July 17, 2017, 03:00:34 PM
I chose card night with friends over that movie. Mom would be disappointed...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on July 17, 2017, 03:03:47 PM
 :)




Thanks, Mom! I'm going to the city on Friday and it opens that day at the art house theatre there! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 17, 2017, 04:00:55 PM
Sorry, Mom. Too busy playing board games.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 19, 2017, 12:59:04 PM
1. I just watched Midnight Mary starring Loretta Young and I realized how much she reminds me of Joan Crawford, both in terms of physical appearance and how their films would have aspects of Crime and Noir but would have more of the feel of a female-driven melodrama. All due respect to Crawford, who is deservedly a legend and a great actress, but I'm more drawn to Young's films, which play less like movies made for a female audience.



2. I know that we've reached the point where some people, including ones here who are here because they like cinema, have never heard of Loretta Young. Some have also never heard of Crawford, or have never seen one of her films. I came along at a time when "the classics" now reaches further back than just a couple of generations, and catching up with the Greats is a demand that has exceeded some abilities.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 19, 2017, 02:19:44 PM
Hey, I watched Mildred Pierce!...

(Though admittedly I had to Google her to find out she was the main character in it.)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Antares on July 19, 2017, 05:42:23 PM
1. I just watched Midnight Mary starring Loretta Young

Check out both Employees' Entrance (1933) & Man's Castle (1933) if you really like her. Two Pre-Code classics.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 19, 2017, 05:52:22 PM
Seen them both. Really like Employees Entrance, great showcase for Warren William. Mans Castle I respect but it's a rough ride.

Have to be careful I don't confuse her with Ann Dvorak, who has a similar look. Her best (besides Scarface) is Three on a Match and I don't know if anything else comes close.

I've added The Unguarded Hour to my Watchlist, which again teams Young with Franchot Tone.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on July 19, 2017, 09:29:51 PM
2. I know that we've reached the point where some people, including ones here who are here because they like cinema, have never heard of Loretta Young. Some have also never heard of Crawford, or have never seen one of her films. I came along at a time when "the classics" now reaches further back than just a couple of generations, and catching up with the Greats is a demand that has exceeded some abilities.

Mine certainly! Not enough hours in the day.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on July 19, 2017, 10:04:46 PM
All due respect to Crawford, who is deservedly a legend and a great actress, but I'm more drawn to Young's films, which play less like movies made for a female audience.
I don't see it. If you said Bette Davis then yeah, but I don't see how Crawford's movies are any more women's pictures than Young's. Maybe it's that most of what I've seen from both are noirs? I also can't think of a bad Crawford film, but can think of several very clunky Youmg films.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on July 19, 2017, 10:20:45 PM
I've only seen four Loretta Young films but my scores all range from 75 to 84.

My average for Crawford is lower, but I've had a broader sampling of her work. 13 films total. The lowest scoring one is The Unknown, which was very early in her career. There's a few I would call mediocre, but the highs are amazing. I quite like Loretta Young, but I have yet to see a Sudden Fear from her, or a Baby Jane, or a Female on the Beach.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 19, 2017, 11:24:10 PM
All due respect to Crawford, who is deservedly a legend and a great actress, but I'm more drawn to Young's films, which play less like movies made for a female audience.
I don't see it. If you said Bette Davis then yeah, but I don't see how Crawford's movies are any more women's pictures than Young's. Maybe it's that most of what I've seen from both are noirs? I also can't think of a bad Crawford film, but can think of several very clunky Youmg films.

I'm going to think about this, and perhaps have a better opinion after seeing more Loretta Young pictures. (I have Rachel and the Stranger and The Accused is one I'm looking forward to.) I've seen 16 with Young, 16 with Crawford and 50 with Bette Davis, who is the queen bee in my book. I'll watch Bette Davis in anything through the 1960s.

I think I'm finding Loretta Young more surprising, especially in the 1930s. I'm more intimidated by a Joan Crawford vehicle, that everything will be in place to support her, while Young creates a gravity that draws the rest of the film to her. As an average though I agree that Crawford in the 40s could be a hurricane that would blow any other actress away, except for Bette Davis.

In my head I'm listening to the courtroom scene from A Few Good Men with Joan Crawford in the Jack Nicholson part and Barbara Stanwyck playing for Tom Cruise.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: ses on July 20, 2017, 12:23:56 AM
In my head I'm listening to the courtroom scene from A Few Good Men with Joan Crawford in the Jack Nicholson part and Barbara Stanwyck playing for Tom Cruise.

I would totally watch this. 

I have a special place in my heart for Loretta Young as The Bishop's Wife was a perennial Christmas favorite in my household.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on July 20, 2017, 12:30:58 AM
Hi ses! :)

That is the only movie I've seen her in, I believe. She's very much a blind spot in my movie viewing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: ses on July 20, 2017, 12:32:01 AM
Hi ses! :)

That is the only movie I've seen her in, I believe. She's very much a blind spot in my movie viewing.

Hi Sandy! 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 20, 2017, 04:19:47 AM
The Bishop's Wife is nice, but it would have been better if Niven was not playing a movie. Like The Doctor's Wife or The Mid-Level Manager of Distribution and Operations' Wife.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on July 20, 2017, 12:53:26 PM
The FX TV series Feud has me interested in watching Trog

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/40/Trog.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on July 26, 2017, 04:12:23 PM
I've seen Paranoid Park as it happens. As a measure of impactfulness would you like me to make a genuine effort to describe the film to you in as much detail as I can remember? [...] That's all I got, and I really dug deep to come up with that. At best it's a shadow of a memory. Third best film of 2008 though... no doubt about it. :)

I could not remember the first two movies of the new trilogy very well.

Always the sign of quality filmmaking.

Two posts in as many days linking a movie's quality to its memorability. I'm not sure I agree with that at all. I don't think fleeting experiences and ephemeral appreciation are necessarily inferior to indelible experiences and appreciation. Some of the best films function like dreams — so visceral and mesmerizing while you're inside of them but lost to shadows upon waking. And some of the worst films are the most memorable, fueling a hyberbolic anger that never fades.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on July 26, 2017, 06:06:03 PM
I think there is a connection, though.  At the end of a film, I can usually predict that although I saw nothing wrong with a film, that it would be a matter of months until I couldn't remember a single scene.  At that point I would give it my mediocre-at-best score: 3/5.   

Not remembering a film might have something to do with us, or our experience of the film, or the context in which we watched it, but it might be an indicator of a film that just didn't impinge itself on our future in any way.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 27, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
I was thinking about what lady superheroes Marvel could use to even the scales a bit and I came out empty. When you add up the ones they're already using, or about to, to the ones they cannot use without messing the current continuity, and subtract the ones they don't have the rights to, you end up bereft of worthwile female characters. Spider-Woman is the second most high profile Avenger after Miss Marvel from the eras I know but I see no way to introduce her Hydra backstory into the current MCU.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on July 27, 2017, 01:29:53 PM
I haven't seen basically any MCU stuff since god knows when so I'm talking out my ass, but I would like to see She-Hulk because she's never had any of the stupid problems of the Hulk character. Don't get me wrong Hulk has always been a favourite character of mine, but only a very specific iteration.... not any of the ones I've seen put to film, which has him turn into a big dumb monster who loses control and just kind of goes into a mindless rage and looks like a jacked up neanderthal. I hate that Hulk.

Here's the Hulk I like.
(http://i.imgur.com/Jc26d76.png)

He reads, he wears glasses, he can speak normally, he knows how to buy clothes that fit, and he has a normal (for a comic book) temperament. He's normal except for being a huge, green and strong. Maybe that's not that interesting, but I am so done with the Hulk that's just loses his temper. I have no sympathy for that idiot.

She-Hulk has always been (since I've ever seen her) just a female version of the good hulk. I could do without an origin story/movie... just plop her in somewhere and cut out the stupid hulk.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on July 27, 2017, 01:38:10 PM
I would like to see female heroes that aren't male heroes with "She-" or "Wo" or "Girl" added. It's too bad original ideas died decades ago; otherwise I'd want the MCU screenwriters to invent new heroes and not limit themselves to the source comics.

Or, barring that, Echo.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Echodd.jpg)

(If done right.)

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 27, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
I would like to see more comics adapted that aren't superhero stories.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 27, 2017, 02:00:00 PM
Why Echo? She is terribly minor.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on July 27, 2017, 02:04:09 PM
Or, barring that, Echo.

That's not the one from Dollhouse, I suppose, given the context.
Other random thought: I wish Joss Whedon had never gotten sucked into this MCU/DCU plague. Dollhouse was pretty much the last time he did something interesting.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on July 27, 2017, 02:08:28 PM
Why Echo? She is terribly minor.

That's part of the appeal. The films would be less burdened with a ton of history and could make the character their own and elevate her to something major.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 27, 2017, 02:16:26 PM
I wish Joss Whedon had never gotten sucked into this MCU/DCU plague. Dollhouse was pretty much the last time he did something interesting.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 28, 2017, 05:03:39 AM
Why Echo? She is terribly minor.

That's part of the appeal. The films would be less burdened with a ton of history and could make the character their own and elevate her to something major.

pixote

Why her out of all the minor characters then? ANd why bother finding a minor character at all? By that logic, mightn't the MCU just as well create their own new character, tailor-written to its storyline?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on July 28, 2017, 06:55:44 AM
Because of David Mack, reslly, and his awesome approsvj to the character.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 03, 2017, 12:48:54 PM
I wonder if - like George Romero and zombies - there's considerably more interest in a George Miller Mad Max film than one that is just Directed by George Miller?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on August 03, 2017, 02:02:00 PM
When I hear George Miller, I only think of the Mad Max films, and that is an impressive body of work.

Then I see some of the other films he made, namely the two fantastic Babe films, and less so, Happy Feet.   I haven't seen Lorenzo's Oil or Witches of Eastwick, but I am much more encouraged to watch them when I realize Miller directed them.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Antares on August 04, 2017, 07:46:33 PM
I was just thinking, with Hollywood stuck in remake mode the last 10 years or so, how come they're not remaking Seven Days in May? With all the chaos going on in Washington in the last six months, a modern day re-working would seem to be a sure fire hit.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 04, 2017, 09:25:43 PM
Any political film right now would turn off half the country. Sad.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on August 05, 2017, 12:01:55 AM
I wonder how different that is than most films. What percentage is turned off by comic book films? or Tom Cruise films? Or costume dramas?

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on August 05, 2017, 01:43:16 PM
Seems to me that a certain kind of political thriller would be very successful just as a backlash to a certain kind of administration.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on August 14, 2017, 06:24:53 PM
Are there reviews for Logan Lucky on the forum? Can't find any in the search.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on August 14, 2017, 06:39:32 PM
Are there reviews for Logan Lucky on the forum? Can't find any in the search.

I don't think so, but if it's a film about Wolverine's youthful sexploits, color me intrigued.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on August 14, 2017, 06:41:07 PM
 ;D

Nope, it's the new Soderbergh film.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on August 15, 2017, 07:14:09 AM
It doesn't come out until Friday. They didn't screen it in advance here in Columbus.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on August 15, 2017, 03:13:48 PM
Thanks, Corndog.  It opened here on Mon (weirdly). We are seeing it today.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on August 15, 2017, 06:08:21 PM
Are there reviews for Logan Lucky on the forum? Can't find any in the search.

This is the Schwere Gustav Kanone Eisenbahgeschutz, an 800mm artillery piece deployed by Nazi Germany.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-V1RgwyVgZas/VK8M5a0g_JI/AAAAAAAAA5Q/cAIPsQqVxZo/s1600/dora-gustav.jpg)

Can you imagine the recoil of such a weapon? If so, you have some sense of how strongly I personally recoiled from the trailer of Logan Lucky.

I've been a pretty big Soderbergh fan over the years, but I'm passing on this one.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on August 16, 2017, 12:29:52 PM
An interesting article about Rotten Tomatoes and it's effect on Box Office and the film industry in general. (https://www.theringer.com/movies/2017/8/16/16156954/rotten-tomatoes-box-office-failure-baywatch-dark-tower-get-out)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on August 28, 2017, 02:03:31 AM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/aa/Bloodinbloodout_poster.jpg)

This 1993 film directed by Taylor Hackford has 24,544 votes on IMDb.

Without looking, try to guess the user rating. I'll tell you higher or lower.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on August 28, 2017, 02:44:59 AM
7.3
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on August 28, 2017, 03:16:57 AM
Higher! — even though Ebert compared (http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/bound-by-honor-1993) this film unfavorably to American Me, which is a mere 7.2 on IMDb.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on August 28, 2017, 05:44:26 PM
7.9? I know it's around there because I've run into that film a few times when sorting imdb searches by ratings and I'm always confused by it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on August 28, 2017, 06:22:44 PM
Higher! If only just...

It's an 8.0. (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106469/reference)

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on August 28, 2017, 07:31:06 PM
That film is like Dangerous Minds or Stand and Deliver if you took out the school angle. Same extreme stereotypes, same level of acting.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on August 28, 2017, 07:37:22 PM
That film is like Dangerous Minds or Stand and Deliver if you took out the school angle. Same extreme stereotypes, same level of acting.

And yet those films only rate 6.4 and 7.3, respectively! Even with Coolio on the soundtrack of one of them!

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 31, 2017, 08:34:54 AM
So the two companies are "Marvel Comics" and "DC Comics", right? So why do people talk about "the MCU" and the "DCU"? Shouldn't it be "MCU" and "DCCU"? Or "MU" and "DCU"?

Actually, now that I type it out, I guess the first D in "DCU" could stand for "DC". But that would be weird.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 31, 2017, 08:47:29 AM
I think DCU just rolls off the tongue easier.

If you want to know what's really dumb it's that DC stands for Detective Comics. So DC Comics is actually Detective Comics Comics.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 31, 2017, 08:53:15 AM
Yeah, DCCU sounds like an American government agency Trump wants to defund.

If you want to know what's really dumb it's that DC stands for Detective Comics. So DC Comics is actually Detective Comics Comics.

To be fair, most things about DC are dumb.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 31, 2017, 09:10:04 AM
Marvel is actually to blame here. They wanted to separate the brand from the comic Marvel Universe, so they added "Cinematic". Like the Star Wars Universe - or is it Galaxy? -  The Lego Universe and The Dark Universe, DC doesn't need to tell you this is cinematic.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 31, 2017, 09:30:00 AM
It would be nice of them to show it sometime though...

(It's Star Wars Expanded Universe.)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on August 31, 2017, 10:18:30 AM
I've always seen it referred to as "DCEU" for DC Extended Universe, not DCU.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 31, 2017, 10:39:51 AM
(It's Star Wars Expanded Universe.)

The Star Wars Expanded Universe (Star Wars EU) started in the 90s which was more of all the stuff beyond the films such as novels, comics, games, that came out of the license pre-Disney acquisition. With the Disney acquisition, they retconned a lot of that stuff and called it Star Wars Legends (because they were going to keep selling EU stories). Now I don't think there's a term for what is considered cannon in Star Wars other than the rather generic Star Wars Canon. And people just seem to refer to the films only as the Star Wars franchise/films in my experience.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 31, 2017, 10:54:45 AM
Or the Starsies.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 31, 2017, 10:55:48 AM
ಠ_ಠ
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on August 31, 2017, 11:01:17 AM
I've always seen it referred to as "DCEU" for DC Extended Universe, not DCU.

Yeah. DCEU and MCU are the names that Warner Bros/Disney respectively assigned them.

The comic book universes are called MU and DCU by Marvel Entertainment/DC Comics.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 31, 2017, 01:08:42 PM
Thanks, StudentOComicBooks.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on September 12, 2017, 12:40:28 PM
Sometimes Dorkly draws some fun comic strips. Here's a relevant one.  (http://www.dorkly.com/post/84635/what-your-favorite-movie-director-says-about-you)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on September 12, 2017, 07:40:24 PM
It's true, I should have been a dad by now.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on September 12, 2017, 08:30:22 PM
https://youtu.be/JAEcDI7ONsU
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on September 21, 2017, 06:20:22 PM
I would love to have been there on the day the Scarecrow realized that, even with brains, life was still no ding-a-derry.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on September 23, 2017, 11:21:11 PM
When a Michael Fassbender film isn't successful, he says it's because his performance wasn't good. I love that strategy, giving an answer rather than ducking it, one that clearly isn't the truth but is so much classier than blaming others.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on September 29, 2017, 11:31:20 PM
I've watched 3 films in 2 days where a car hits a deer. When did this become such a trend?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on September 29, 2017, 11:44:43 PM
Fingers crossed that one of those films was Tommy Boy.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on September 30, 2017, 12:03:11 AM
Get Out?
Train to Busan?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: mañana on September 30, 2017, 08:20:05 AM
https://youtu.be/y0JidKcgJNE
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on September 30, 2017, 12:11:00 PM
Wow, it really is a thing!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on September 30, 2017, 12:51:16 PM
All three that I saw are in that video, which was done very recently because it includes A Cure For Wellness.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on September 30, 2017, 03:07:16 PM
I assume Get Out is there too?

#deerlivesmatter
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on September 30, 2017, 10:17:11 PM
#livedeersplatter
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: aewade90 on October 02, 2017, 11:08:55 PM
Rewatched Blade Runner final cut because of 2049's impending release, and had a thought - I wonder if Batty's memories he soliloquises about at the end are actually his? I don't think there's any way to dis/prove this a la the whole "is Deckard a replicant" thing but it's something that I've never actually considered in the many times I've watched it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 03, 2017, 03:52:31 AM
I was going to attend an open air projection of the movie last week but I got lazy and didn't go.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on October 03, 2017, 02:44:52 PM
Rewatched Blade Runner final cut because of 2049's impending release, and had a thought - I wonder if Batty's memories he soliloquises about at the end are actually his? I don't think there's any way to dis/prove this a la the whole "is Deckard a replicant" thing but it's something that I've never actually considered in the many times I've watched it.

An intriguing idea. He recounts those memories with such wonderful conviction that it's easy to take him at his word; plus, those memories are, I imagine, related to his replicant-slave life, unrelated to any sort of human delusion; but, yeah, still an intriguing notion.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on October 15, 2017, 01:03:13 AM
How do people feel about Franchot Tone?

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on October 15, 2017, 01:44:22 AM
i didn't take to him immediately - I hardly remember him in Dark Waters, Phantom Lady and In Harm's Way. I first noticed him in Three Comrades and Here Comes the Groom cemented him in my mind. After Five Graves to Cairo and his comic relief in The Lives of a Bengal Lancer, I added him to my classic actor Watchlist. I've seen 18 features with Tone.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 16, 2017, 08:21:55 AM
Between Lars and the Real Girl and Blade Runner 2049, I wonder if Ryan Gosling has is trying to tell us something about his sexual preferences.

#totallynotjudging
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on October 17, 2017, 07:36:26 PM
A thread to pass the time. (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=12352.0)

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on October 17, 2017, 08:21:04 PM
Just a reminder that I used to know how to work a phrase.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 18, 2017, 04:35:35 AM
He still does ; but he also used to.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on October 22, 2017, 12:27:55 PM
What happened to the release of Stronger scheduled for September?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on October 22, 2017, 06:52:34 PM
What happened to the release of Stronger scheduled for September?

I was actually wondering about this since it didn't come out near me, but apparently it did come out on September 22nd. Box Office Mojo said it was in 645 theaters at its widest release.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 25, 2017, 08:37:32 PM
Yeah, that's when it played locally in South Jersey and Philadelphia. It was better than I thought it would be, definitely cool to see Tatiana, and Jake continues to be great.

Just learned that there's some new Jeffery Dahmer film coming out where Ross Lynch of Austin and Ally fame (he was actually the worst of the core cast on an underwhelming show in Disney's post-Renaissance), so I really hope I get a chance to see that.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 29, 2017, 05:50:27 PM
I've just rewatched Kingsman, and instead of the original phrasing the princess says « do much more than that », which I am positive is wrong. Did they redub the line? This really bums me out.

(pun intended)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jared on October 30, 2017, 07:57:35 PM
If you aren't doing a Far East Bracket matchup you should. Only 32 movies left, none of them that I've seen are duds
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on November 01, 2017, 02:09:01 AM
If you aren't doing a Far East Bracket matchup you should. Only 32 movies left, none of them that I've seen are duds

I just going to jump in and take the last match to decide the winner...

Also, had to give up on it a while ago due to it getting frustrating to find the films to watch.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on November 10, 2017, 08:38:27 PM
Faces, Places and BPM played for one week in Philly and are now gone. Dumb. I saw Netwon instead of Faces, Places since I figured it would get a longer release, super shocked that was only there for a single week given the acclaim. And the festival showing did draw a crowd, I think. Weddings and illness really kept me from them, but I should have went VARDA!!!!!! over Newton in hindsight, probably.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on November 19, 2017, 03:14:26 AM
My Caleb Landry Jones double feature raised the question, "Does modern cinema provide enough return on investment?"

I regret not staying home and watching Nancy Drew movies.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 19, 2017, 08:03:09 AM
I regret not staying home and watching Nancy Drew movies.

pixote
I finish the series this morning.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 19, 2017, 11:30:38 AM
I regret not staying home and watching Nancy Drew movies.

pixote
I finish the series this morning.

You shouldn't regret it too much.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on November 19, 2017, 06:00:37 PM
#TeamEmma will always be my Nancy Drew.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Smoke on November 19, 2017, 09:27:24 PM
I saw Sweet Smell of Success last week and the line "my left hand hasn't seen my right hand in 30 years" has already crossed my mind so many times I'm sure it will be stuck in there for life.

I love it when that happens.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on November 21, 2017, 11:46:44 PM
The Sweet Smell of Success is a movie i felt like rewatching as soon as i finished watching it for the first time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 22, 2017, 01:33:35 AM
That's a special kind of feeling. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on November 23, 2017, 11:08:51 AM
Today, in our special DH Visits BoxOfficeMojo And Learns Things special segment:

The highest grossing movie of the year so far is Beauty and the Beast, bot US and internationally.

Three movies have already crossed the billion dollar mark this year, and SW is not even out. Blimey.

Highest grossing superhero movie in the US in 2017: Wonder Woman. Highest grossing superhero movie internationally in 2017: Homecoming.

What the hell is a Wolf Warrior and where do I get one?

Ugh, even international crowds love Despicable Me...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 02, 2017, 09:40:43 PM
Best Debut Feature
     Nightcrawler (directed by Dan Gilroy) — 31.3%
     Force Majeure (directed by Ruben Östlund) — 25.8%
     Obvious Child (directed by Gillian Robespierre) — 19.3%
     The Babadook (directed by Jennifer Kent) — 12.1%
     Blue Ruin (directed by Jeremy Saulnier) — 11.5%

Gilroy's followup has generated the exact same amount of excitement as Robespierre's.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 03, 2017, 12:15:20 AM
Does anybody else find it weird when the opening credits of a film mention an award it was given at a festival (whether it be Cannes, Venice, Berlin, Sundance, whatever)? Like, I'm clearly already committed to watching your film. You can stop trying to sell me on its worth.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on December 03, 2017, 12:48:34 AM
I'm not sure I've seen that before. Definitely on trailers, but not actual movies. Did you have a specific example in mind? Maybe I just missed it before.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 03, 2017, 12:53:24 AM
I don't think I've come across that yet either, but it does seem weird and unnecessary.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 03, 2017, 12:57:23 AM
I'm not sure I've seen that before. Definitely on trailers, but not actual movies. Did you have a specific example in mind? Maybe I just missed it before.

I definitely seen it recently in Le bonheur and The King and the Mockingbird, but I think I've even seen it in modern films. I'll have to keep an eye out for it now.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 03, 2017, 01:04:09 AM
I saw it today on Gervaise (1956), letting me know the film had won 2 Awards including Best Actress, which raised my expectations for her performance.

How do you feel when the film opens explaining that this is a restoration?

Should Justice League have included a title card explaining Joss Whedon’s participation?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on December 03, 2017, 01:32:28 AM
I've seen it a number of times, and I'm sure it is the pride of the filmmakers that place it there.  But it is also foolish.  Now I am expecting something amazing, and what if I find that it is just okay?  Then I am disappointed in the film, because it didn't seem to deserve it's acclaim.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 03, 2017, 05:15:26 AM
Gilroy's followup has generated the exact same amount of excitement as Robespierre's.

I had a fair amount of excitement about Robespierre's followup. It was very good. But that review did not generate any interest either.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 03, 2017, 06:23:46 AM
I did like that one time he chopped off Danton's head.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on December 03, 2017, 08:21:14 AM
I did like that one time he chopped off Danton's head.

I've always thought someone should make a horror film based on Robespierre's last day. Gruesome stuff.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 03, 2017, 08:32:35 AM
Make it a horror movie. Call it The Terror.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 03, 2017, 04:21:46 PM
Gilroy's followup has generated the exact same amount of excitement as Robespierre's.

I had a fair amount of excitement about Robespierre's followup. It was very good. But that review did not generate any interest either.

I want to get out to see Gilroy's new one because I adored NIGHTCRAWLER, and the good reviews make it sound interesting, it just came out at a time where I needed to prioritize other films. I liked LANDLINE a good deal.

Anyway, was this the thread where we asked about not nominated PTA and mother! for Filmspots? If so, I know the VARDA!!! contingent is going to come out and screw me over for seeing NEWTON over FACES, PLACES, but please tell me that the Wiseman cabal isn't going to make the doc category twice as impossible this year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on December 05, 2017, 02:47:00 AM
I've started putting together my 2017 Filmspot list.  I've seen 44 eligible films, which is more than usual, considering I'll watch quite a few more.

The strange thing for me is that my top three (so far) are about women in inexplicable situations: mother!, Raw, and Personal Shopper.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on December 05, 2017, 03:13:10 AM
I was listening to an interview with Jonathan Pryce and apparently Terry Gilliam has just finished filming Don Quixote (after 19 years). Fingers crossed for a successful completion of the film.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 05, 2017, 03:21:40 AM
Why not add Wonder Woman and go for four?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 05, 2017, 06:27:43 PM
Glad to see people enjoying RAW, it was a great surprise as a secret screening at last year's PFF. I need to see Personal Shopper.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on December 05, 2017, 08:29:32 PM
I'm not sure I've seen that before. Definitely on trailers, but not actual movies. Did you have a specific example in mind? Maybe I just missed it before.

I definitely seen it recently in Le bonheur and The King and the Mockingbird, but I think I've even seen it in modern films. I'll have to keep an eye out for it now.

pixote

Pretty sure it just happened with Personal Shopper (free on Showtime, btw).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 09, 2017, 12:38:16 AM
Sadly, The Breadwinner is only playing for a week in Philly and I was sick this weekend, so I missed it. Should get to Loving Vincent after work tomorrow though, at the very least.

... I know the VARDA!!! contingent is going to come out and screw me over for seeing NEWTON over FACES, PLACES, but please tell me that the Wiseman cabal isn't going to make the doc category twice as impossible this year.

Tomorrow (Saturday), the ACME Screening Room in Lambertville is screening The Breadwinner at 4pm and Faces Places at 6pm. You can do it!

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 09, 2017, 03:39:08 PM
I was ashamed but proud to say I’ve watched the Human Centipede trilogy.

Now, next to that honor I can say I’ve watched the complete Transformers series. The key is to do it during a flight where the main goal is to make time pass.

The Last Knight has my favorite moment of the entire series and also the least believable scene in a mostly unbelievable series. But I will save that for another post once I can find the necessary screenshots.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 13, 2017, 02:32:50 PM
Without looking, what would you guess Olaf's Frozen Adventure is rated on IMDb?

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on December 13, 2017, 02:34:16 PM
Without looking, what would you guess Olaf's Frozen Adventure is rated on IMDb?

pixote

Hm. Let's go with 6,2.

*looks*

Oh wow.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on December 13, 2017, 02:42:44 PM
I'm gonna cut that in half. 3.1. Let's see.

Ok, not quite that bad. Still very not good. For something that was designed to be inoffensive entertainment there sure is a lot of ill will. This was a pretty big mistake on Disney's part.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 13, 2017, 02:59:14 PM
5.2/10

*checks*

Hmm, close enough.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 13, 2017, 03:08:14 PM
What happens when you force a lot of people to watch something instead of giving them a choice.

If you put the first 30 minutes of Infinity War in front of Phantom Thread, you’d probably get a similar reaction.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on December 15, 2017, 10:40:36 AM
It's me. I am Disney-Fox.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on December 15, 2017, 11:45:09 AM
I'm waiting for Disney to buy their own military and just storm the rest of Hollywood and turn it into The People's Republic of Disney.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 16, 2017, 05:20:18 AM
What it could look like:

https://youtu.be/XkU23m6yX04?t=123
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 17, 2017, 07:16:59 PM
Let's all just take a minute to appreciate the music in the first half of this clip.

https://youtu.be/HQv0WWhoZnI

I mean...

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 17, 2017, 10:29:54 PM
I just realized that Selena Gomez has a role in two of my Essentials, The Muppets and The Big Short.

Can anyone else think of an improbable cast or crew that shows up in more than one of your favorites? For me it was always Farley Granger starring in Rope and Strangers on a Train.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 18, 2017, 12:34:10 AM
Let's all just take a minute to appreciate the music in the first half of this clip.

I'm sorry, but I can't get over how many people are stopped on the side of the road to watch a guy plow a corn field. It's like they've brought chairs, they've brought grandma, and they're all there gunna make a day of it. GET A LIFE PEOPLE!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 18, 2017, 12:38:00 AM
I don't think you understand. He plowed under his corn! His corn!!!

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 18, 2017, 12:41:53 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TBNKrJo.gif)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 18, 2017, 06:05:41 AM
I just realized that Selena Gomez has a role in two of my Essentials, The Muppets and The Big Short.

Can anyone else think of an improbable cast or crew that shows up in more than one of your favorites? For me it was always Farley Granger starring in Rope and Strangers on a Train.

I don't know who that is but I will never get over Adam Sandler showing the world he is a real actor. And The Big Short is also in my Top 100.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on December 18, 2017, 07:31:04 AM
It's me. I am Disney-Fox.

Anyway, I thought it was a solid joke.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on December 18, 2017, 08:19:28 AM
i chuckled...  to myself
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on December 18, 2017, 09:24:38 AM
It's me. I am Disney-Fox.

Anyway, I thought it was a solid joke.

It is - give it time - it’s still living under the shadow of Sam’s lyrical masterpiece.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on December 18, 2017, 11:44:01 AM
It's me. I am Disney-Fox.

Anyway, I thought it was a solid joke.

I liked it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 18, 2017, 11:39:42 PM
I watched a Netflix doc on the Voyager space probe. They said even now they still use black and white photography. The detail is higher. They add colour via other data they gather, but not through the camera itself. Kind of cool.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 20, 2017, 05:29:51 AM
Ladybird doesn't get released until March here. This is what I have to deal with. My only solace is that it doesn't get to Singapore until April, so at least one person will suffer more than me.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on December 20, 2017, 05:50:07 AM
Yep, March for me too I think, or very late February. The Saoirse Ronan slot (Brooklyn was also early March, and I think The Grand Budapest Hotel as well, though that was just its regular release).

In a sense it's nice that we get delays, because it means we get a steady stream of good movies all through winter, but right now it's annoying.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 20, 2017, 05:58:51 AM
TIL Saoirse Ronan was the girl in Grand Budapest.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 20, 2017, 07:06:21 AM
It's a year where Saoirse Ronan and Sally Hawkins are likely to get nominations, but they'll probably just give another damn award to Meryl Streep.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on December 20, 2017, 07:20:20 AM
It feels like Ronan's year to me, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on December 20, 2017, 08:27:15 AM
It's a year where Saoirse Ronan and Sally Hawkins are likely to get nominations, but they'll probably just give another damn award to Meryl Streep.

Meryl only has 3 Oscars in 20 nominations lol. All three will likely be nominated. My early money is on Ronan to take the award, but I don't think Meryl will get it. We'll see.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 20, 2017, 08:35:20 AM
It's a year where Saoirse Ronan and Sally Hawkins are likely to get nominations, but they'll probably just give another damn award to Meryl Streep.
Curious if anyone on the boards actually considers Streep one of the great contemporary actresses. Only films I can honestly say I love her in is Kramer vs. Kramer and Doubt.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on December 20, 2017, 08:45:28 AM
Ladybird doesn't get released until March here. This is what I have to deal with. My only solace is that it doesn't get to Singapore until April, so at least one person will suffer more than me.

hmmm.. that is a crazy delay. We actually get a lot of large releases earlier but still struggle with smaller, good films.  At least I know I got to watch Star Wars: The Last Jedi early... now only if I remembered it
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 20, 2017, 08:49:09 AM
It's a year where Saoirse Ronan and Sally Hawkins are likely to get nominations, but they'll probably just give another damn award to Meryl Streep.
Curious if anyone on the boards actually considers Streep one of the great contemporary actresses. Only films I can honestly say I love her in is Kramer vs. Kramer and Doubt.

3. Who is the greatest living movie Actor and Actress?
Actress (living) : Meryll Streep (what do you want me to do?)



Ladybird doesn't get released until March here. This is what I have to deal with. My only solace is that it doesn't get to Singapore until April, so at least one person will suffer more than me.

hmmm.. that is a crazy delay. We actually get a lot of large releases earlier but still struggle with smaller, good films.  At least I know I got to watch Star Wars: The Last Jedi early... now only if I remembered it

How dare you?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 20, 2017, 09:56:23 AM
It's a year where Saoirse Ronan and Sally Hawkins are likely to get nominations, but they'll probably just give another damn award to Meryl Streep.
Curious if anyone on the boards actually considers Streep one of the great contemporary actresses. Only films I can honestly say I love her in is Kramer vs. Kramer and Doubt.
I do. In a Deathmatch, I prefer Streep to Daniel Day-Lewis. It's close, and the only advantage is Steep doesn't let you know how hard the process was, how much work she had to put into disappearing into the character. She just does it again and again, instead of making us wait years for the next one.

Bas as The Iron Lady is, Streep deserved that Oscar. I've yet to see DDL be that great in a film with a mediocre script and a bad director. (The Crucible, The Boxer, Nine).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 20, 2017, 11:13:56 AM
Second that Iron Lady comment. She was phenomenal.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jared on December 20, 2017, 12:23:52 PM
I like her and she is one of the greatest but looking at it, I guess my actions speak louder than words. I haven't seen her last 9 movies and have zero interest in any of them. I haven't liked one since Fantastic Mr. Fox. I haven't liked a non-animated one since Doubt. I doubt there is anyone in the last 5 years or so that has been, say, nominated for an acting Oscar that I've shown less interest in.

This is just answering Sam's question about the here and now. There is tons of stuff from the 70s, 80s, 90s, and early 00s that I love. I'm also looking forward to seeing her new movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on December 20, 2017, 02:32:04 PM
Not seeing her last 9 movies, is that just because she appears in the type of movies that you are just not that into?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: roujin on December 20, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
She is fantastic in Ricki and the Flash. Shows what she can do with a great director. Zero interest in The Iron Lady.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jared on December 20, 2017, 08:20:07 PM
Not seeing her last 9 movies, is that just because she appears in the type of movies that you are just not that into?

Yes. Recently at least. Ricki and the Flash is the one I most want to see of those I suppose
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 20, 2017, 09:31:28 PM
Last 7 I've seen, rating her performance, not the film:

Florence Foster Jenkins - Terrible
Ricki and the Flash - Terrible
Into the Woods - Terrible
August Osage County - Terrible
Hope Springs - Actually Pretty Good
Iron Lady - Terrible
Julie & Julia - Terrible

So much completely overwrought nonsense.

Meanwhile, as much as I like Lady Bird, I'll consider a Ronan win atonement for when she should have won for Brooklyn. Pun intended.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on December 20, 2017, 09:42:59 PM
The best worst Streep performance is Juliette Binoche in Slack Bay.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 20, 2017, 10:24:34 PM
Julie & Julia - Terrible

What? She was an awesome Julia Child. Even if it were simply an impression it was excellent, but there was real heart to it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 21, 2017, 12:11:04 AM
Starting with Toy Story 2, the animated films of Disney and Pixar have consistently contained modern cinemas best plot twists. They usually involve the reveal of the villain.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on December 21, 2017, 12:15:46 AM
Starting with Toy Story 2, the animated films of Disney and Pixar have consistently contained modern cinemas best plot twists. They usually involve the reveal of the villain.

Best plot twist of modern cinema is Oldboy.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 21, 2017, 12:41:52 AM
This random thought is about quantity, not quality. John Lasseter has been behind more twists than M. Night.

Toy Story 2
Meet the Robinsons
Wall-E
Frozen
Wreck-It Ralph
Big Hero 6
Zootopia
Moana
Coco
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 21, 2017, 04:37:46 AM
Most of those are very weak though.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on December 21, 2017, 04:39:16 AM
Florence Foster Jenkins - Terrible
Ricki and the Flash - Terrible
Into the Woods - Terrible
August Osage County - Terrible
Hope Springs - Actually Pretty Good
Iron Lady - Terrible
Julie & Julia - Terrible

I've seen four, two were very good, the other two were okay to good. This is pure madness.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on December 21, 2017, 08:00:46 AM
I would still consider Streep one of the greats. For me, she is often the reason why an otherwise humdrum seeming film (Ricki and the Flash, Julie and Julia, Florence Foster Jenkins, The Iron Lady) turns into something worthwhile. I actually really liked Doubt and August: Osage County. I hated Into the Woods, and even then (other than some visuals/costumes) I kept thinking "wow, she's the best part of this". This isn't a case of just buying into the hype, I do think she is one of those performers that elevates the work as a whole.

I don't think the same could be said of many of the male actors who were famous around the same time she started working- De Niro, Pacino, Hoffman. Nowadays, a good performance from them feels like a shock.

My personal favorite of hers would have to be Adaptation.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: roujin on December 21, 2017, 01:03:24 PM
This post is to shame Verite.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 21, 2017, 02:51:54 PM
August: Osage County is a film I liked everything about except Streep. And I liked the Julie part more than the Julia part of Julie & Julia.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on December 21, 2017, 03:33:19 PM
And I liked the Julie part more than the Julia part of Julie & Julia.

I'd bet that you and Julie Powell are the only people who have this opinion.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 21, 2017, 03:49:12 PM
How about 5-time Oscar nominee Amy Adams?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on December 21, 2017, 04:19:27 PM
How about 5-time Oscar nominee Amy Adams?

Nah, I doubt it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on December 22, 2017, 06:05:27 AM
20-time Oscar nominee Meryl Streep might!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 24, 2017, 10:31:39 PM
Already seeing geeky types on the Internet bash critics for not liking Bright, the film brought to you by David Ayer and Max Landis. Usually, I'd just laugh and move on but it seems like these people really want to skirt over what a lot of people are reporting as legitimate issues about its depictions of racism. I don't plan on seeing the film, but it continues to make me wonder if the same people defending problematic issues in geek culture are the same people responsible for our current political climate.

Don't want to make this a "If you like Bright, you're a racist," but I feel like there's this growing dark side to geek culture that expands year by year where films that have really uncomfortable undertones keeps getting a pass because it is some geeky thing that nerds just gobble up without thinking about it critically. And then they latch onto it so much that any critique of that thing is an attack on their identity as a nerd. Then they lash out in really immature ways and I just wish we could actually have mature, thoughtful adult conversations about how sometimes some nerd stuff is quite problematic and we need to deal with those issues.

Look, I love me some nerd stuff, heck, my username used to be lotr-sam0711, but boy am I not going to die on the hill of saying geek things are these flawless culture touchstones that have no issues. LotR could have used some more ladies, but I also understand it was a product of its time and very much influenced by Tolkien's WWI experiences in the British army which probably didn't involve a lot of ladies in combat. So in some ways his inclusion of Eowyn could be argued as rather progressive for the time. So I totally get people who say enjoy Brandon Sanderson's work as it is more progressive and quite good and maybe people find it more palatable for their modern sensibilities.

I think we've had this whole generation of nerds grow up investing themselves so deeply into fictional works that they can't step back from it and realize they can be more than the things they like or that they can still enjoy something while recognizing its flaws. Mike over at Red Letter Media drew a parallel between nerd culture and political rallies and I think that's spot on in terms of how many people are just willing to invest so much of their identity blindly to a cause without really taking a step back and engaging critically with the work/person and realizing that there are some flaws that need to be dealt with.

Each year I feel like we just galvanize those divides more and more and get to a point where talking to the person on the other side of the fence becomes more and more of a clash of two people who have fully invested their identities into this one thing to the point of blind fervor and it's rather terrifying. I feel the same apprehensions talking about politics as I do about nerd culture and it's a really weird feeling to think both of those things can have people fly off the handle for simply suggesting that their position may have some flaws.

All that to say, I'm grateful that we have a community where we don't have that kind of culture but outside of here and a couple of strong relationships, I  feel like the discourse about culture and politics is taking a nosedive and I observe similar trend in both areas.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 27, 2017, 12:24:45 AM
Nicely put.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on December 27, 2017, 06:14:56 AM
Never heard of this movie but checked the user reviews. Now I have an interest to watch out of some morbid curiosity
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on December 27, 2017, 07:39:34 AM
I was interested in Bright when I heard about the concept, but when reviews take that sort of turn I realized I shouldn't waste my time.

I stay off of a lot of sub-Reddits for the reasons Sam is talking about. All I want to do is talk about the things I'm a fan of, but differing opinions get surprisingly uncivil on the more populated pages. I realize this could've been said about the Internet for many years now, but it's scary how hateful and venomous people are under the guise of anonymity.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 27, 2017, 06:19:32 PM
Finally watched Song to Song and while there's certainly lots of signature Malick editing/and Lubezki's camerawork, after five very similar films, he sure has drifted from the stereotypical sameness of his films that people joked about. I won't reveal too much of my thoughts, but Song to Song feels like something a young person would make, which makes me think that Malick is still bringing a lot of energy to his films whether you like it or not.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 02, 2018, 03:48:55 PM
oldkid's movie quotes used in daily life was a great idea for a thread! Please keep adding your posts here. (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14653.msg882002#msg882002)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on January 06, 2018, 05:23:41 PM
Just saw there's a "World of Tomorrow: Episode 2" that came out on Dec 29th, but it's a bummer that you can only rent it from Vimeo for $5. Like it's a 22 minute thing. I'd rather buy it for $15 at that point, to be honest, maybe even $20, not sure why there's no buy option. I also wish it was on other services, but if Vimeo allows more to go to Hertzfeldt I can get behind that. Just don't like the rental only option, especially at that price.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 06, 2018, 07:16:00 PM
Eh, once is probably enough times to watch that one. Usually the Oscar shorts go for like $2 each so $5 for a rental short feels pretty rich but I was feeling generous.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on January 06, 2018, 07:25:01 PM
I'll do it eventually, just feel it's a bit steep for a rental, like that's what a feature length indie that's currently 'in theaters' costs on Amazon Video. But, again, I know he's working on a smaller budget in an art form that's a lot on its own in terms of cost.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: aewade90 on January 07, 2018, 02:55:51 AM
Eh, once is probably enough times to watch that one. Usually the Oscar shorts go for like $2 each so $5 for a rental short feels pretty rich but I was feeling generous.

That said, the collection that Hertzfeldt put out with World of Tomorrow and It's Such A Beautiful Day was a great compendium and I honestly would throw down for a second volume, if as much work goes into it.

Caught I, Tonya and was monumentally disappointed. The Scorsese-lite soundtrack and decent supporting performers can't make up for the fact that it just eternally drags itself around in circles, and becomes yet another entry in the "biopics that reframes noted unrepented dickbags". There's never any attempt to balance out the fact that people are just totally shitty, something that successful entries such as Walk The Line or Ray present with some form of redemption.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 09, 2018, 04:25:32 AM
Watched Captain Fantastic recently. Viggo Mortensen needs to be in more things. That's a man who I'd love to see do a serious tv/miniseries drama.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 10, 2018, 02:13:27 PM
Dear Moderators,

Might we get the Movies Watched in 2018 (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14648.0) and The Year So Far (2018) (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14652.0) threads pinned to the top please?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 10, 2018, 02:17:01 PM
I'll be your huckleberry.

(And I'll let The Year So Far (2017) stay there another couple weeks.)

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 13, 2018, 10:24:38 AM
Is a director/studio allowed to completely remove an actor from a movie last minute? Aka Kevin Spacey in All The Money In The World.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on January 13, 2018, 10:27:56 AM
Since that happened, the answer is clearly yes.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 13, 2018, 11:17:16 AM
I'm sure the contracts have some "for cause" provisions that can be broadly enough construed around morality or publicity concerns that would allow the studio to nullify the contract.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on January 13, 2018, 11:51:39 AM
I'm sure the contracts have some "for cause" provisions that can be broadly enough construed around morality or publicity concerns that would allow the studio to nullify the contract.
That's a separate issue. Spacey got paid, the studio can choose not to use his footage. It happens plenty of times simply because the director didn't like the performance or decides those scenes don't fit in the finished movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 18, 2018, 07:34:38 PM
Is there a sacred cow review of Psycho?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 21, 2018, 11:44:11 PM
Hi, I'm new here.  :) Not sure if there's a place I'm supposed to check-in or what not.

All I have to add at this moment is:

I just saw "Raw", and I feel a little queasy.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on January 21, 2018, 11:58:54 PM
Hi, I'm new here.  :) Not sure if there's a place I'm supposed to check-in or what not.

All I have to add at this moment is:

I just saw "Raw", and I feel a little queasy.

Hi etdoesgood,

You can introduce yourself here:

http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=527.4690

Then you can go here and help the cause and restore order to the world:

http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=4006.780

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 22, 2018, 04:57:43 AM
"Only the avatar can bring balance to the world."

omg, guys, is etdoesgood the new avatar?

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 22, 2018, 08:14:57 AM
As long as he isn't the new Avatar.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 24, 2018, 02:53:56 AM
Are there more gay than lesbian movies (by a wide margin) because there are statistically more gays than lesbians in the population or it is something else?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on January 24, 2018, 03:04:02 AM
Maybe most of the movies are still made by men?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 24, 2018, 06:24:10 AM
Are there more gay than lesbian movies (by a wide margin) because there are statistically more gays than lesbians in the population or it is something else?

Source? I mean, I suppose for the reason jdc mentions I could see there being more gay than lesbian movies but I don't know that it just stands out as obvious.

There might be more gay men than lesbian women but there are probably more non-straight women than non-straight men. Female sexuality tends to be more fluid.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 24, 2018, 06:32:35 AM
The indie scene may be different, but the last mainstream lesbian movies I can think of are Carol and Blue is the Warmest Colour while there are regularly high profile gay movies. Or maybe my impression is wrong.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on January 24, 2018, 01:19:56 PM
I want a Judge Rosemarie Aquilina biopic with a surprise dramatic turn from Fran Drescher.

(https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/15C87/production/_99732298_judgenassar.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: saltine on January 24, 2018, 07:13:18 PM
So why have I been hanging out here for 12 years and never heard of the multiplier?

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-astonishing-success-of-the-greatest-showman/551081/
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 24, 2018, 07:16:15 PM
Are there more gay than lesbian movies (by a wide margin) because there are statistically more gays than lesbians in the population or it is something else?

Source? I mean, I suppose for the reason jdc mentions I could see there being more gay than lesbian movies but I don't know that it just stands out as obvious.

There might be more gay men than lesbian women but there are probably more non-straight women than non-straight men. Female sexuality tends to be more fluid.

Just wondering what that last statement would be based on.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 24, 2018, 07:56:54 PM
Dan Savage's years of experience fielding questions about sex and talking to people who research issues of sex.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 25, 2018, 03:34:39 AM
Are there more gay than lesbian movies (by a wide margin) because there are statistically more gays than lesbians in the population or it is something else?

Source? I mean, I suppose for the reason jdc mentions I could see there being more gay than lesbian movies but I don't know that it just stands out as obvious.

There might be more gay men than lesbian women but there are probably more non-straight women than non-straight men. Female sexuality tends to be more fluid.

Just wondering what that last statement would be based on.

He's right, I don't have a link at the ready, but every statistic I've looked at indicates there are more gay men than lesbians but a larger amount of bi women than bi men, across countries.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on January 25, 2018, 01:49:25 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QEOqXNQ.jpg)

The 41st Göteborg Film Festival begins tomorrow.

We will watch one film a day for the next eleven days:


Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 25, 2018, 06:24:47 PM
Are there more gay than lesbian movies (by a wide margin) because there are statistically more gays than lesbians in the population or it is something else?

Source? I mean, I suppose for the reason jdc mentions I could see there being more gay than lesbian movies but I don't know that it just stands out as obvious.

There might be more gay men than lesbian women but there are probably more non-straight women than non-straight men. Female sexuality tends to be more fluid.

Just wondering what that last statement would be based on.

He's right, I don't have a link at the ready, but every statistic I've looked at indicates there are more gay men than lesbians but a larger amount of bi women than bi men, across countries.

Color me skeptical. It would take some real deep probing to understand sexual fluidity. Even if someone is bisexual, you'd need to understand where they fell on that continuum. Since you're relying on people to be honest when they take surveys or do interviews, and their responses may be colored by cultural factors among others, getting to the truth would be elusive.  To me, it just seems easier to say women are more sexually fluid because that's how it's often portrayed in popular culture, the media, etc. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on January 25, 2018, 06:33:26 PM
Don't forget from the personal experience of all the various people that you have met in your life. But Bondo is the one that probably has been studying this so given the challenge, I am sure he can produce actual statistic studies and data.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 25, 2018, 07:30:13 PM
I mean, I don't want to spend hours creating a bibliography but here's one example (http://www.medicaldaily.com/evolutionary-theory-sexual-fluidity-women-men-387194). One research method that has tended to indicate the higher fluidity among women comes from tests that involve hooking male and female participants' genitals up to a meter of blood flow and then showing them different pictures or videos. This measures arousal at a physiological level rather than basing things on self-identification, though as noted in this article, those measures also show more shifting of identity in women.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on January 25, 2018, 10:22:38 PM
So why have I been hanging out here for 12 years and never heard of the multiplier?

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-astonishing-success-of-the-greatest-showman/551081/

Probably because it's significant in only a few films.

Cool stuff, tho.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on January 25, 2018, 10:33:20 PM
What a fun read! Thanks for the link, saltine.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 25, 2018, 11:13:15 PM
It's a first for me as well.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 26, 2018, 03:45:48 AM
Nice article. I am left perplexed though. They talk about the movie as a massive hit, but the numbers they mention are 80+ million for the budget and a box office of 116+ million for a profit of around 40 million, marketing notwithstanding. Is that considered a hit?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on January 26, 2018, 10:56:13 AM
Nice article. I am left perplexed though. They talk about the movie as a massive hit, but the numbers they mention are 80+ million for the budget and a box office of 116+ million for a profit of around 40 million, marketing notwithstanding. Is that considered a hit?
It's a marketing puff piece disguised as news. It's an impressive achievement in that it pretty much bombed (though not as badly as the 8.8 million opening weekend would have you think) when it came out but managed to overcome its horrible start and do fine.

To make a bad analogy:
Most high grossing movies are variations on the star high school athlete who has a lot of promise but keeps working hard and makes a good showing at the olympics sometimes overperforming sometimes underperforming, but roughly in line with expectations.
Some movie box office performances (The Force Awakens) are like Usain Bolt, impressive right off the bat and something no one has seen before.
Some movies box office performances (My Big Fat Greek Wedding) are like Oscar Pistorius, with many disadvantages, but through leveraging a few advantages and a bit of luck manage to do something impressive.
Others (The Greatest Showman) are like a star high school athlete with a ton of promise and advantages who stops training and gets lazy and looks done for but then has a surge of motivation and manages to get to the Olympics (where everyone expected him to be originally) before topping out and not getting past the first qualifying round.

Is that last guy impressive? Absolutely. Is he as impressive as the previous two? Not really. He's only the most impressive if you shift metrics around so that you only consider the guys who had a ton of advantages (open wide with studio support) then completely wasted their potential (abysmal opening weekend) but still managed to claw their way back to respectability.

Also The Greatest Showman's multiplier is also misleading for a number of other reasons:
It opened on a Wednesday, meaning those who really wanted to see it first saw it before the opening weekend, so its initial number looks a bit worse than it actually was.
Its opening weekend was depressed by heavy competition and a weak weekend overall (weather? I can't recall) The other openers that weekend also underperformed.
The holidays are always a time for higher than usual multipliers (though admittedly nowhere near as high as The Greatest Showman)

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 26, 2018, 12:39:59 PM
I've been skimming this thread and have come to the conclusion that the success of The Greatest Showman is directly linked the number of gay men in the world.

Independent research supports this hypothesis.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 27, 2018, 07:42:08 PM
I'm watching Below Her Mouth and it has me thinking pursuant to the prior discussion...gay movies might involve closeted men fighting their desires before coming out, but aren't typically about a gay man pursuing a nominally straight man into realizing his gayness. But damn near every lesbian romance involves a married or engaged woman being pursued by a lesbian. It's not generally a case of them not being into men any more but simply also being into women. So I guess this fits the pattern I was mentioning. Though I find this pattern of lesbian cinema to be pretty obnoxious.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 27, 2018, 09:57:49 PM
Are the movies obnoxious or is it only the pattern once you consider them all together?

Thanks for the breakdown, PA.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 28, 2018, 01:21:07 AM
I mean, I don't want to spend hours creating a bibliography but here's one example (http://www.medicaldaily.com/evolutionary-theory-sexual-fluidity-women-men-387194). One research method that has tended to indicate the higher fluidity among women comes from tests that involve hooking male and female participants' genitals up to a meter of blood flow and then showing them different pictures or videos. This measures arousal at a physiological level rather than basing things on self-identification, though as noted in this article, those measures also show more shifting of identity in women.

That is pretty interesting, thanks for the link! 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 28, 2018, 07:18:22 AM
Are the movies obnoxious or is it only the pattern once you consider them all together?

It is made worse by the fact that most of the movies are awful of themselves.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on January 29, 2018, 03:11:02 PM
So I got my MoviePass card yesterday and used it to see Phantom Thread for a second time. It's so easy to use and the valuse is insane. With practically every theater in my area, including the independent ones, on board, this is too good a deal to pass up. If I see more than 12 movies in a theater this year, it will pay for itself. I don't know why I waited this long.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: tinyholidays on January 29, 2018, 08:13:57 PM
MoviePass has reinvigorated my filmgoing. Well, and moving back to a place with more than one theater within 30 miles. I'm on the monthly plan because I don't trust that it will last. But even a matinee here is $14, so if I just see one movie a month, I'm covered. And I'm seeing more like 5 a week.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 29, 2018, 09:36:19 PM
So I got my MoviePass card yesterday and used it to see Phantom Thread for a second time. It's so easy to use and the valuse is insane. With practically every theater in my area, including the independent ones, on board, this is too good a deal to pass up. If I see more than 12 movies in a theater this year, it will pay for itself. I don't know why I waited this long.

My filmgoing has just been reinvigorated the past two months, and I didn't even know what MoviePass really was until I looked it up just now. There are a bunch of AMCs in Phoenix, and little FilmBar even takes it. Thanks for bringing this up!

Yet another subscription...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on January 29, 2018, 11:41:57 PM
So I got my MoviePass card yesterday and used it to see Phantom Thread for a second time. It's so easy to use and the valuse is insane. With practically every theater in my area, including the independent ones, on board, this is too good a deal to pass up. If I see more than 12 movies in a theater this year, it will pay for itself. I don't know why I waited this long.

My filmgoing has just been reinvigorated the past two months, and I didn't even know what MoviePass really was until I looked it up just now. There are a bunch of AMCs in Phoenix, and little FilmBar even takes it. Thanks for bringing this up!

Yet another subscription...

Unfortunately, at least 90 percent of the movies I go to are shown exclusively at the Harkins chain, which I understand doesn't take the MoviePass.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 30, 2018, 06:19:13 AM
Looks like the Landmark theatres aren't in on MoviePass, but the couple that are probably would still justify it for me. I shall have to ponder it.

Signed up. Seems very low-fi that I have to wait for a physical card to arrive. So much for using it this weekend.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 30, 2018, 11:20:36 AM
Signed up. Seems very low-fi that I have to wait for a physical card to arrive. So much for using it this weekend.

Ha, just last week a friend of mine told me she was waiting for her Moviepass card to arrive in the mail, and I commented that that seemed very 2007.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on January 30, 2018, 11:45:58 AM
So far, 2017 is the Batman Begins of movie years. A solid "B" without many highs or lows. Well, probably plenty of lows that I just won't see. Hard to be disappointed, but not excited either.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: tinyholidays on January 30, 2018, 11:59:00 AM
I think it was a really great year for funny films. Lady Bird, Logan Lucky, Get Out, The Big Sick, even Phantom Thread. And it's the best year so far for superhero stuff. I don't want more superhero movies, but the ones that came out this year I actually really enjoyed.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 30, 2018, 01:35:30 PM
So far, 2017 is the Batman Begins of movie years. A solid "B" without many highs or lows. Well, probably plenty of lows that I just won't see. Hard to be disappointed, but not excited either.

Does that apply to docs too? It seems like you had some big discoveries recently.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on January 30, 2018, 01:40:27 PM
Dawson City: Frozen Time is my one 5-Star movie of 2017.

I Am Not Your Negro, The Work, and Whose Streets? are all very good, but probably aren't films I'll go back to over and over again.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 30, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
Nice. Well, at least there was one eh. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 30, 2018, 07:56:03 PM
So I got my MoviePass card yesterday and used it to see Phantom Thread for a second time. It's so easy to use and the valuse is insane. With practically every theater in my area, including the independent ones, on board, this is too good a deal to pass up. If I see more than 12 movies in a theater this year, it will pay for itself. I don't know why I waited this long.

My filmgoing has just been reinvigorated the past two months, and I didn't even know what MoviePass really was until I looked it up just now. There are a bunch of AMCs in Phoenix, and little FilmBar even takes it. Thanks for bringing this up!

Yet another subscription...

Unfortunately, at least 90 percent of the movies I go to are shown exclusively at the Harkins chain, which I understand doesn't take the MoviePass.

Oh, you're in Phoenix, too?!  OK.  I'm in the West Valley. What kinds of movies are you seeing at Harkins that don't come out at AMC?  I'm not too far from the AMC at Arizona Center, and they show most everything I'd want to see. FilmBar can take care of the rest.  The only place I'd have to hit occasionally, and pay the extra money for, would be Valley Art on Mill. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on January 30, 2018, 10:39:59 PM
What kinds of movies are you seeing at Harkins that don't come out at AMC?

Pretty much all of the "art-house" (foreign and indie) movies that make it to Phoenix end up at two Harkins multiplexes in Scottsdale. Sometimes they make it to Filmbar, but only after Harkins has shown them.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on February 01, 2018, 06:23:13 PM
Truly random thought after looking at a poster- is there a correlation between quality-of-Tom-Cruise's-acting and Tom-Cruise's-hair-length? Is this a silly thing somebody has already thought of?

(I can think of both good and bad movies where he has long hair as well as short hair, but does one win out?)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on February 01, 2018, 07:23:52 PM
Not sure about the hair-length to quality argument. I just can't get out of my head someone on Twitter saying Cruise looks like a middle-aged lesbian:

(https://i.imgur.com/SDfY5RS.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 04, 2018, 02:17:14 PM
I was thinking about the MoviePass but I'm on the fence as there are going to be stretches where I don't watch anything.


Are there more gay than lesbian movies (by a wide margin) because there are statistically more gays than lesbians in the population or it is something else?
It's because most guys can find lesbian "movies" online at the sites we don't talk about. And the lesbian films that are made are almost always for male audiences from male directors where the female is just an object to drool over and not a complex human being. I think I wrote a piece about this once about Thor: The Dark World but I'm redoing my site this month and won't be able to link anything for a while.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on February 06, 2018, 08:33:17 PM
Signed up. Seems very low-fi that I have to wait for a physical card to arrive. So much for using it this weekend.

Ha, just last week a friend of mine told me she was waiting for her Moviepass card to arrive in the mail, and I commented that that seemed very 2007.

pixote

Still hasn't arrived. I think the Pony Express would be ashamed by this delivery time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on February 14, 2018, 04:28:53 AM
Weird suggestions from Netflix

"Because you added Roger Corman's Death Race 2050 to your list"

The Rugrats Movie

I suppose as long as it does not suggest it in the other direction it is ok.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on February 19, 2018, 07:37:15 PM
Is there a good superhero movie that's not an adaptation?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on February 19, 2018, 08:03:01 PM
The Incredibles and Unbreakable off the top of my head. Hancock is ok. Chronicle is good. Depending on your definitions, RoboCop and The Matrix too.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on February 19, 2018, 10:09:54 PM
Is there a good superhero movie that's not an adaptation?
The Incredibles
Dr. Horrible's Sing-Along Blog
Robocop
Unbreakable
Chronicle
Megamind
Orgazmo


Also, some people like Darkman and Sky High
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on February 20, 2018, 12:58:05 AM
Condorman :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on February 20, 2018, 02:31:16 AM
There's a handful then eh. Alright.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 20, 2018, 07:15:18 AM
I unapologetically immediately thought of Blankman.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Parnassus on February 20, 2018, 07:32:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m1RkDmad1o

This video expresses my thoughts on Black Panther and the rest of MCU pretty well (except the part about Thor: Ragnarok).

I feel like one thing I didn't get to express enough in my Black Panther review was how powerful a particular scene in the movie was, the one where T'Challa confronted his father about his past sins in that second "dream sequence". He was utterly furious and disappointed by what his father did.

I know I sound like a broken record, but my mind just keep reeling back to that conversation Loki and Thor had about their father. "Hurts, doesn't it? Being lied to. Being told you're one thing and then learning it's all just a fiction." I just wish Thor had been a little more incensed about his father's hypocrisy in the second dream sequence near the end like T'Challa did, when Odin said all that stuff about how "Asgard is not a place, but a people." I mean, even if you don't take into account the revelation in Ragnarok that Odin had tried to conquer other realms with Hela, Odin was a pretty scummy person before that too in the first movie with what he did to Loki, and all the lies he told his two children.

Overall, I just felt like it left a poor taste in my mouth when this guy, the worst father in Marvel history or one of the worst, was fed to us by Marvel as some kind of enlightened sage at the end of Thor: Ragnarok, providing some wise words about how Asgard is a people that Thor was supposed to live up to.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 21, 2018, 09:15:18 AM
It will be interesting to track when that seems to switch, to where color becomes more prominent than black and white.

Did some quick research with my list and it looks as though the end of 1951, beginning of 1952 is roughly when the switch is made. There are some black and white after, of course, but starting with Across the Wide Missouri (#71) in my list and running though the rest of the first 100 films on my list, only 5 of those 30 films are presented in black and white according to IMDb, including NONE of the last 15.

In contrast, of the previous 30 films before Across the Wide Missouri, only 6 are presented in color.

Not a film historian, but I wonder whether this is reflective of the industry in general, or if this is somehow unique to Westerns? Would be curious if anyone knows.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 21, 2018, 01:36:50 PM
It seems as though this is correct. It was in the early 1950s that Eastmancolor was developed, making the process of filming in color much easier than the previous method with Technicolor.

I found this article in my hunt which is a nice, short summation of the history of color (https://www.thoughtco.com/how-movies-went-from-black-white-to-color-4153390).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on February 27, 2018, 08:46:53 PM
Listening to the latest episode of Filmspotting and they referenced Leonardo DiCaprico as possibly a manic pixie dream boy. Now the are lots of examples of manic pixie dream girls, but can anyone think of examples of the boy version?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on February 27, 2018, 09:24:44 PM
Ryan Gosling in The Notebook
Ryan Gosling in Crazy, Stupid, Love
Ryan Gosling in La La Land
Robert Pattinson in Twilight
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on February 28, 2018, 01:04:19 AM
Ansel Elgort in The Fault In Our Stars? Or am i way off?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on March 01, 2018, 11:24:03 PM
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4b/Loving_Vincent.png)

Every time I saw this poster, I subconsciously thought I was looking at Ralph Fiennes.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 02, 2018, 05:58:37 PM
Several members here are parents, or have even become parents while we've known them. I'd love to hear if anyone's feelings about a particular film changed after having become a parent. Or anything that can share in that vein.

Perhaps you find yourself empathizing more strongly with parents in film, or films where the issues of parenthood are in play? Was there a marked difference that you noticed?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on March 02, 2018, 06:21:09 PM
I've been wondering about that myself. I remember listening to the /Filmcast episode on Interstellar years ago and Dave was shredded by a guy saying you can't truly appreciate the movie unless you have kids. I've been looking forward to my next viewing just to see if it's different now that i have a 6 month old.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on March 03, 2018, 10:08:55 PM
Movie characters all need custom ring tones on their phones. The standard ones are painful.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 04, 2018, 01:29:26 PM
We live in a world where people want to base so much of themselves on personal feeling but then the second you don't share/agree with that feeling or experience, you're objectively wrong and it can't be a difference of opinions.

Sure, life events can change how we see movies, but to say you can only talk about movies you personal or emotional connect to sounds like the kind of uneducated bigotry that forgets one of the highest values of good art is transporting is outside ourselves, not retreating further into the inner world of self where reality is what I feel, not the process of thought that goes beyond feelings and can process a world outside the self.

Okay, that got way too philosophical.. Maybe I shouldn't post while on these meds.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on March 04, 2018, 03:25:54 PM
Almost every movie I've ever seen is different since I became a parent.

Most movies I see differently since I've gotten married, or started a romantic relationship, or finished my education, or suffered serious pain or learned to drive or worked with the poor for a few decades.

I'm sure that your experiences that I've never had opens your eyes to film in ways that I can't understand.

I think that Interstellar can be understood by non-parents as well as parents, if we replace love for other family members or spouse or whatever in the place of a child. 

I can't think of films that mean something particularly to me because I am a parent.  Maybe In America.  There are a lot of films I see differently because of my work with the houseless.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on March 04, 2018, 03:29:36 PM
The Weinstein Company is bought out by a group of women, and the majority of board members are women as well. (https://www.glamour.com/story/a-group-of-women-just-bought-the-weinstein-company)

Will this work?  Is this an opportunity for women to be more involved in filmmaking?  Will this backfire?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 04, 2018, 04:35:01 PM
I'm not really clear on the terms of the deal or what the advantage is of buying The Weinstein Company for $500M vs simply starting a production company with that money. Is it the rights to the films owned by the WC that make it worth that amount?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 04, 2018, 05:42:34 PM
We live in a world where people want to base so much of themselves on personal feeling but then the second you don't share/agree with that feeling or experience, you're objectively wrong and it can't be a difference of opinions.

Sure, life events can change how we see movies, but to say you can only talk about movies you personal or emotional connect to sounds like the kind of uneducated bigotry that forgets one of the highest values of good art is transporting is outside ourselves, not retreating further into the inner world of self where reality is what I feel, not the process of thought that goes beyond feelings and can process a world outside the self.

Okay, that got way too philosophical.

Not at all. But I would love to hear a "For instance..." after either of the first two paragraphs, as a kind of example of what you're getting at.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 04, 2018, 10:43:14 PM
I couldn't find my original post, but I'll never forget a small detail in the 1955 western Wichita that turns on the death of a child named Michael Jackson. It's an unfortunate coincidence that takes me out of the movie, and the more dramatically they say his name the worse it is.

So I'm watching Ransom (1996) and there's a subplot about a guy who went to prison and may have a reason to kidnap the kid. The guy's name is Jackie Brown. Since I don't remember this part of the film I'm figuring I won't hear too much about it. Wrong.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: NedMeier on March 05, 2018, 10:53:47 AM
Several members here are parents, or have even become parents while we've known them. I'd love to hear if anyone's feelings about a particular film changed after having become a parent. Or anything that can share in that vein.

Perhaps you find yourself empathizing more strongly with parents in film, or films where the issues of parenthood are in play? Was there a marked difference that you noticed?

Pretty much any movie in which a child dies or is sick became so much more difficult to watch. Rabbit Hole was one of those films that totally changes depending on if you are a parent or not.

I also am able to share movies with my kids now (who are 6 and 8) and really talk about great films. They still love some horrible films but my daughter's favorite film is Singin' in the Rain and I was able to share Black Panther with my boy.

Movie going/watching is so different with kids, both in good and bad ways.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on March 05, 2018, 01:24:20 PM
Good answers Ned. In agreement. :)

Using a simple formula, Toy Story 2, Secrets & Lies and Short Term 12 are in my top 100 purely because of personal parenting experiences. Otherwise, they would merely be really good movies.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 06, 2018, 06:28:54 AM
I listened to the Interstellar episode of /Filmcast. The listener's argument about not understanding the movie if you haven't kids was rubbish.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 06, 2018, 11:17:09 PM
(https://imgur.com/6UhqJpz.gif)     (https://imgur.com/pEkbAbx.gif)

I was watching Thor: Ragnarok again today and this moment by Valkyrie (Tessa Thompson) snapped into focus a problem I had with Wonder Woman's greatest scene, probably the defining moment of Wonder Woman's greatest scene. She comes out of that trench into No Man's Land and in that moment Gal Gadot is rising up to present a new hero to all women. So I understand the importance and impact of the moment. But look at how she does it.

Gal Gadot walks it like a runway model. The arms swing out and she struts through the bomb blasts looking fabulous. Now, Thompson is also doing a strut and looking great, but there's more to it than that. She's walking with a power, projecting confidence instead of just wearing it. She draws her power from the anticipation of destroying some bad guys, never minding how she looks while doing it. Gal Gadot gave us a moment for 2017, but Tessa Thompson did it best.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 07, 2018, 02:52:18 AM
Huzzah! All praise the awesomeness of Ragnarok!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on March 07, 2018, 03:34:29 PM
I feel like I have been pumping out the reviews this year so far. I can't lie, I think part of it has to do with trying to make up for last year missing so much time and effort due to my ACL surgery and subsequent recovery. I feel like I have more time and passion for seeing and reviewing movies.

I know last year was a down year for me in terms of 2017 movies seen (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14221.msg858342#msg858342), down by quite a bit over the previous couple. I am already at 22 2018 films (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14652.msg882226#msg882226), so I am confident I can make this maybe my best year ever in that regard.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on March 07, 2018, 04:50:16 PM
How is everyone feeling about MoviePass apparently tracking all of your movements. Here I thought if the app is closed it doesn’t get info...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on March 07, 2018, 06:13:18 PM
How is everyone feeling about MoviePass apparently tracking all of your movements. Here I thought if the app is closed it doesn’t get info...

So many apps are doing it that you either have to just live with it or turn off GPS. I assume it helps you select the theatres near by? Just turn it off until you need it, I do that with apps like Uber
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 08, 2018, 01:26:54 PM
I usually have my location off at this point but I also make it the case where none of my sensitive info is accessible on my phone without the passwords. Can make stuff a trial to get to in a rush, but it gives me some peace of mind.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 10, 2018, 02:21:34 PM
Without looking, what would you guess Olaf's Frozen Adventure is rated on IMDb?

pixote

Here's a new one:

Without looking, what would you guess A Wrinkle in Time is rated on IMDb?

Hint: It's lower than The Hurricane Heist
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on March 10, 2018, 05:15:07 PM
Just looked it up, wow!!!!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 10, 2018, 06:53:25 PM
Whoa, I can't remember ever seeing a film that had a theatrical release get less than 5.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on March 10, 2018, 07:21:38 PM
Whoa, I can't remember ever seeing a film that had a theatrical release get less than 5.
Even taking "theatrical release" to mean Wide release and watched by a good number of people there are quite a few every year:
Some examples that shouldn't be surprising
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2322441/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259571/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118688/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4877122/
There are quite a lot more. Less than 4 is rarer, but still happens a few times a year
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 10, 2018, 07:52:48 PM
Huh wow you're right! Sub-5 I'm generally willing to take imdb's word for it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on March 10, 2018, 08:43:10 PM
To be fair, A Wrinkle In Time is almost calibrated to be opposite of your average IMDB user's taste. Add in "forced diversity" and you've got a recipe to turn what seems to be an uneven movie into an overly low-rated movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 11, 2018, 07:34:06 AM
Whoa, I can't remember ever seeing a film that had a theatrical release get less than 5.
Even taking "theatrical release" to mean Wide release and watched by a good number of people there are quite a few every year:
Some examples that shouldn't be surprising
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2322441/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259571/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118688/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4877122/
There are quite a lot more. Less than 4 is rarer, but still happens a few times a year

I've seen exactly one of those.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on March 12, 2018, 08:06:31 PM
'A Wrinkle in Time’ Proves Rotten Tomatoes User Reviews and IMDb Ratings are Broken

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/03/a-wrinkle-in-time-rotten-tomatoes-imdb-ratings-user-reviews-1201938353/

More than a month before Ava DuVernay’s “A Wrinkle in Time” arrived in theaters, an “audience review” appeared on Rotten Tomatoes that offered an isolated comment from user “Jonathan G”: “Piece of shit remake of a wonderful book.” The “review” posted on February 5, weeks before DuVernay’s big-scale Disney adaptation of the beloved Madeleine D’Engle book was set to hit theaters.

It wasn’t even the earliest “review” to appear on the aggregation site. That one hit the web January 7, when user “CGF M” wrote in a half-star review: “This film is going to fumble and should not deserve any recognition. The original novel is better than what is already being presented. It’s one big cliche, the acting seems dry, the only performance I can possibly say that will be GOOD is Chris Pine’s, that’s it. Casting just for the sake of diversity or being politically correct does not make a film, Disney. The effects also, they do not look good.”
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on March 12, 2018, 08:10:39 PM
Shorter that story: White men have way too much free time.

The easier answer would be data normalization. One would essentially expect to see a bell curve. A mode with responses more or less diminishing on either side. The disproportionate 10s and 1s can clearly be marked as outliers, potentially fake, and corrected for to find a "true" average. This isn't even a challenging algorithm to put in place.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on March 12, 2018, 08:24:15 PM
I have no doubt A Wrinkle in time is downvoted by racists. I also strongly suspect it's not a very good movie. The other examples (Black Panther and Last Jedi) mentioned in that article are probably better for making the point in that they're well regarded critically and by a large segment of the audience.

I do laugh at
Quote
And look no further than the other major audience-centric voting system that requires participants to see the film first: CinemaScore. That system, too, is far from perfect; it provides only a letter grade at the end of a major release’s opening weekend, with no measure of quality. However, it does have one thing locked down: Voters need to see the film first, then they can vote. At the end of this weekend, “A Wrinkle in Time” walked away with a solid B.
A Cinemascore B is not a good grade, it's a mediocre split audience grade. Probably equivalent to that 42% RT from critics score or low 6 on imdb.

The easier answer would be data normalization. One would essentially expect to see a bell curve. A mode with responses more or less diminishing on either side. The disproportionate 10s and 1s can clearly be marked as outliers, potentially fake, and corrected for to find a "true" average. This isn't even a challenging algorithm to put in place.
Imdb does this already. A Wrinkle in time just doesn't have enough votes to overcome the many hundreds of outliers, and its true score is still probably not very good which makes it harder for imdb to "see" the outliers. It has risen quite a bit in the past few days since this discussion started.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 13, 2018, 06:13:55 PM
The older I get, the more I think most people's movie opinions both professional and amateur is not worth the breath/writing it takes. It's either paint by the numbers reviews that aren't going to sway anyone's mind, hot takes in a post-social media world, or some think-piece that's going to be out of date within six months.

There's a reason why people still read reviews by the likes of Bazan, Truffaut, Godard, Ebert, Rosenbaum, etc... I may not even agree with some of those guys, but they were good writers who learned how the medium worked.

Now everyone and their mom has some opinion about a film, which is fine, but my goodness how many of these people have opinions based on ignorance/contrarianism or just outright hatred and spite? On the flip side, how much of your reviews are you just asking if the film touts what you consider to be the "right" political view of the day?  How much does your review reflect your attitude and not that magical moment of meeting a film halfway and seeing what does and doesn't work.

Right now I just see this push for films to be overtly political in a way antithetical to the absolute commercialization driven society of a post-blockbuster era. Sure, cast all your Disney films with diverse characters, but don't for a second forget that those characters are going onto toy shelves to be sold to children to make more cash for Disney.

I wish I wasn't so cynical about the industry, but it just keeps growing greedier and greedier and I just see diversity as the moneymaker of the day. Make people feel like they're more progressive than that racist 16 year old kid across the street by seeing another uninspired Disney flick whilst touting it as a bold political move instead of yet another cynical and bad adaptation of a classic Children's book. You seeing the new diversity flick of the week is just putting more money back into the same system that is basically pimping out whatever ideas fit the times and get them more money.

This isn't even getting into the shifting global market, Disney bullying out the multiplex system and the slow division of streaming services.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 13, 2018, 07:04:36 PM
Is this your way of telling us you didn't like Black Panther? Because if so, I am with you.

Don't you say a mean thing about Moana though.

(also, I hope the amateur opinions on this forum are not quite like that for you)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 13, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
Not about Moana, haven't seen Black Panther.

There are lots of good amateur opinions here, especially better than the stuff critics crank out to released as soon as embargoes are up.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 13, 2018, 09:57:18 PM
The older I get, the more I think most people's movie opinions both professional and amateur is not worth the breath/writing it takes. It's either paint by the numbers reviews that aren't going to sway anyone's mind, hot takes in a post-social media world, or some think-piece that's going to be out of date within six months.
I read this as your opinion as you get older, but I think it has more to do with the changing landscape of film criticism. Could young Roger Ebert even make a mark today? When I was an aspiring writer, my 2 fallback careers were Manager of a Blockbuster Video and Film Critic/Pundit. I might as well have added working for Atari. When blogging exploded I started one, hoping to get some attention. Then I noticed movie review blogs are almost as widespread on the internet as porn. This is partly why I joined the Forum, a big reason why I've stayed and why I don't cross post much at places like Letterboxd, which seems solid now but is probably as lasting as Criticker (sp?), I Check Movies and Flickchart.


Now everyone and their mom has some opinion about a film, which is fine, but my goodness how many of these people have opinions based on ignorance/contrarianism or just outright hatred and spite?
Where there's the internet, there are trolls and their voice has grown obnoxiously loud. I remember the brief period where it seems nerds had won out over jocks, but with that power has come the same need to destroy something they don't like. Some are always more equal than others.


On the flip side, how much of your reviews are you just asking if the film touts what you consider to be the "right" political view of the day?  How much does your review reflect your attitude and not that magical moment of meeting a film halfway and seeing what does and doesn't work.
This very much reminds me of my opinion of Black Panther. I understand its importance as a Blockbuster, but it's actually lesser Marvel. Still good, but their weakest since Ant-Man. (There I said it.)


Right now I just see this push for films to be overtly political in a way antithetical to the absolute commercialization driven society of a post-blockbuster era. Sure, cast all your Disney films with diverse characters, but don't for a second forget that those characters are going onto toy shelves to be sold to children to make more cash for Disney.
It's taken this long to get a Black Widow movie, something Marvel still sees as a major gamble, but today they tease a Trilogy centered around the head of Wakanda Special Forces from Black Panther.


Disney bullying out the multiplex system and the slow division of streaming services.
Disney is being obnoxious about their upcoming Streaming service. All they need to do is release their catalogue: Animated, Live Action, Shorts, Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars, Disney TV. That's more than enough to entice a large subscription.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 14, 2018, 06:02:02 AM
On the flip side, how much of your reviews are you just asking if the film touts what you consider to be the "right" political view of the day?  How much does your review reflect your attitude and not that magical moment of meeting a film halfway and seeing what does and doesn't work.
This very much reminds me of my opinion of Black Panther. I understand its importance as a Blockbuster, but it's actually lesser Marvel. Still good, but their weakest since Ant-Man. (There I said it.)

(https://i.imgur.com/XXMazKp.gif)

So I am not the only one. Do you have a review somewhere?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 14, 2018, 06:16:34 AM
You just read it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on March 14, 2018, 07:23:10 PM
Really excited for this sequel:

(https://media.baselineresearch.com/images/1798124/1798124_medium.jpg)(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/2/25/I%27m_Still_Here_poster.jpg/220px-I%27m_Still_Here_poster.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on March 15, 2018, 01:53:16 AM
LOL
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 16, 2018, 08:39:56 AM
So Annihilation is not getting a theatrical release outside the US and China and will be distributed by Netflix instead.

F-ck. That.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on March 16, 2018, 08:56:56 AM
Yea, Paramount bailed on it thinking it would bomb and wanted to get whatever money out of it they could. They must have been scared off my the mother! fiasco from last year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: sdb_1970 on March 16, 2018, 11:29:16 AM
Yea, Paramount bailed on it thinking it would bomb and wanted to get whatever money out of it they could. They must have been scared off my the mother! fiasco from last year.

That's what I read as well - after the test screening.  But did Paramount handle U.S. distribution as well?  Although I certainly wouldn't classify Annihilation as a mainstream film (ditto for The Witch and mother!, which also opened here outside the arthouse), who thought Annihilation would do better distributed in mainstream cinemas inside the U.S. v. mainstream cinemas outside the U.S.?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on March 16, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
Yea, Paramount bailed on it thinking it would bomb and wanted to get whatever money out of it they could. They must have been scared off my the mother! fiasco from last year.

That's what I read as well - after the test screening.  But did Paramount handle U.S. distribution as well?  Although I certainly wouldn't classify Annihilation as a mainstream film (ditto for The Witch and mother!, which also opened here outside the arthouse), who thought Annihilation would do better distributed in mainstream cinemas inside the U.S. v. mainstream cinemas outside the U.S.?

Um, films like Annihilation, ie genre films that aren't blockbusters - get terrible releases in Europe. I live in the 10-11th biggest French city, and there is no way Annihilation would have been available to me in a subbed version - Ex Machina sure wasn't, I had to see in Paris.
Title: Steven Spielberg vows to never digitally alter his past movies again
Post by: matbezlima on March 22, 2018, 12:21:18 PM
http://www.slashfilm.com/steven-spielberg-digital/

As the nostalgia-laden Ready Player One nears its theatrical debut, director Steven Spielberg is fielding questions about looking back on his own movies. And you can rest easy, film purists: after that debacle surrounding the re-release of E.T., The Beard has promised never to alter any of his movies again. Read the full Steven Spielberg digital alteration statement below.

At the Ready Player One junket in Hollywood, a journalist asked Spielberg if he would ever consider going back and digitally altering one of his own movies, similar to what Spielberg’s friend George Lucas did with the Star Wars films. Apparently, that journalist had forgotten that Spielberg famously already did exactly that when he altered the re-release of E.T.:

“When E.T. was re-released, I actually digitized five shots where E.T. went from being a puppet to a digital puppet. And I also replaced the gun when the FBI runs up on the van – now they have walkie-talkies. So there’s a really bad version of E.T. where I took my cue from Star Wars and all the digital enhancements of A New Hope that George put in. I went ahead, because the marketing at Universal thought we needed something to get the audience in to see the movie, so I did a few touch-ups in the film.

In those days, social media wasn’t as profound as it is today. But what was just beginning erupted in a loud negative voice about, ‘How could you ruin our favorite childhood film by taking the guns away and putting walkie-talkies in their hands?’, among other things. So I learned a big lesson. That’s the last time I ever decided to mess with the past. What’s done is done, and I’ll never go back into another movie I made, or have control over, to enhance or change it.”

This isn’t the only time the director has spoken publicly about altering E.T. In 2011, I saw a theatrical screening of Raiders of the Lost Ark in L.A. that included a Q&A with Spielberg and Harrison Ford afterward, and Spielberg – who was then prepping Raiders for its Blu-ray release – brought it up:

“For myself, I tried [changing a film] once and lived to regret it. Not because of fan outrage, but because I was disappointed in myself. I got overly sensitive to [some of the reaction] to E.T., and I thought if technology evolved, [I might go in and change some things]…it was OK for a while, but I realized what I had done was I had robbed people who loved E.T. of their memories of E.T. […] If I put just one cut of E.T. on Blu-ray and it was the 1982, would anyone object to that? [The crowd yells “NO!” in unison.] OK, so be it.”
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Pratters on March 23, 2018, 05:19:56 PM
Last few years, my cinema watching quality has suffered. It started with general laziness to watch any thing which wasn't on tv or at the cinemas. Basically recorded stuff on tv and watched movies. However, this affected the amount of world cinema I was watching. After a point, with censoring in India increasing - they started cutting scenes which had any violence or ghosts apart from nudity, my watching of good cinema was quite less for a bit. Usually just skipped movies which I thought would be cut even a bit.

In last year, streaming services has meant that I am watching more movies but there is still less world cinema which I am watching. I do have a fairly good watch list right now on Netflix and Prime and so I don't try to go out of my way to watch a film too much. I really should, for example, I loved The Handmaiden when I did watch it a few months back. However, for the most part, I am happy to watch the movies on the watch list. Netflix has some great movies like Das Boot and Full Metal Jacket which I haven't watched already, for example and there is a host of Indian art house on Prime.

Maybe after 6 months when I have exhausted a lot of this watchlist (My netflix watchlist is not a lot right now - around 60 movies while Prime still has 100+), I will  venture into watching more of the cinema not accessible to me right now. It is just more convenient.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 24, 2018, 05:45:20 PM
censoring in India increasing - they started cutting scenes which had any violence or ghosts...

I'd never heard of this before, the censoring of ghosts. Could you speak to the reasoning behind it?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Pratters on March 25, 2018, 04:27:58 PM
There is no logic. On television, the  movies which come are heavily censored. I don't have the traditional channels any more but when I did 8 months back, violent scenes, ghost scenes etc were cut a fair bit. Then, in some movies they weren't. It was quite mad.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on April 03, 2018, 09:59:41 AM
I've long employed the 4-star ratings system:

★★★★ - Masterpiece
★★★ 1/2 - Great
★★★ - (Very) Good
★★ 1/2 - Average
★★ - Poor
★ - Woof

With the first and last ratings rarely being used, and most films falling somewhere in between. As a result, I often feel as though it's not a great way to define how I feel about a film. I am beginning to wonder if instead, I should shift to a 5-star scale without the half stars, like this:

★★★★★ - Masterpiece
★★★★ - Loved it
★★★ - Liked it
★★ - Didn't like it
★ - Hated it

While there is actually one less, I feel at least like those categories are better defined and would be easier for me to assign to each movie, which also making things a little clearer how I feel about a certain film.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on April 03, 2018, 10:07:50 AM
A good addition to this thread (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=13370.0).

The new system looks cleaner to me.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Monty on April 03, 2018, 10:56:07 AM

★★★★★ - Masterpiece
★★★★ - Loved it
★★★ - Liked it
★★ - Didn't like it
★ - Hated it


I like this one, so much I think I'm gonna use it/steal it ;D
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on April 03, 2018, 11:31:02 AM
A good addition to this thread (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=13370.0).

I knew there was probably a thread, but wasn't inclined enough to search, so thanks for point it out DH, I will peruse it; and also sorry DH, for not seeking it out in the first place lol.



The new system looks cleaner to me.
I like this one, so much I think I'm gonna use it/steal it ;D

Thanks guys, I like it better too. I think I will make the switch!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on April 09, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/SoHcOYg.jpg) NoahJ456 Twitter
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 09, 2018, 09:34:50 PM
During my screening I could hear some popcorn munching, a couple of coughs and somebody dropped a phone. It's not like the film is that silent, but it evokes quiet in a way that makes the ears sharply alert for any sound.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 09, 2018, 09:45:42 PM
Good meme though! :))
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on April 10, 2018, 01:07:27 AM
Good meme though! :))

High praise from the gif king!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 10, 2018, 01:41:56 AM
I twinkle in appreciation of your compliment.

(https://i.imgur.com/qsEhoM7.gif)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on April 14, 2018, 03:32:32 PM
Is You Were Never Really Here a response film to I'm Still Here or has this joke already been made?

Bonus points for the triple feature by year of release:

I'm Not There
I'm Still Here
You Were Never Really Here

The poetry of the cinema.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on April 19, 2018, 03:06:14 PM
Just came across this. Thought it was funny. I'm going to leave it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jPWGEoyJHY
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on April 20, 2018, 05:05:46 AM
Yesterday I went to the movies and I saw a French film about a bunch of rich people going to a country house and being kinda despicable in ways that are meant to be revealing of French society but also funny and tragic and at times farcical. Then I saw a Japanese film about a murder which people are trying to understand, with multiple versions of events being offered and the very nature of both truth and justice constantly being put in question.

Which made me think about the constant hand-wringing about there not being original movies. Because both of those (Jaoui's Place Publique and Koreeda's The Third Murder) would qualify as original movies by normal standards (and really the Koreeda is not that similar to Rashomon on a plot level), despite certainly not feeling that way. Which is perfectly fine, btw, it just amused me.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 29, 2018, 02:19:52 PM
How important is it to see Infinity War if I like Guardians? I've never seen an Avengers movie or any of the other movies that I imagine would be considered a prerequisite...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on April 29, 2018, 03:11:07 PM
I'd just tell you to go see the Avengers movies because they're mad good, but I have no hopes to convince you.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 29, 2018, 03:44:51 PM
The Guardians are all over Infinity War, perhaps more than anyone else because they separate and join others on separate missions. They're a big part of Thanos' goal, and you've been following that in the Guardians films, especially the visit with The Collector. I also think the next Guardians film will have to deal with some of the things that happen in Infinity War. They're not just side characters to the story. I would go so far as to say if you've seen all the Marvel movies EXCEPT Guardians, you'd have a much harder time following Infinity War.

Also, James Gunn got to work on the script for the Guardians scenes so their dialogue doesn't sound like outside writers trying to voice the characters. To that end, Drax is once again right on target.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 29, 2018, 04:05:51 PM
Well that's encouraging. Maybe I'll just see it then and not worry what the  Earth-bound characters have done in the past. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 29, 2018, 10:33:37 PM
Question for anyone: What's a film title you have never seen mentioned in the history of the forums that you think is actually a pretty good film?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 29, 2018, 10:46:15 PM
That's tough for me because if I like it I usually write about it. Looking through recent films (which I know you prefer), I'm still surprised to see I'm the only one who wrote about Patriots Day. (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14226.msg866744#msg866744)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 29, 2018, 11:35:34 PM
I actually had assumed that was a Clint Eastwood film, so your review is bang on. :)

That and the oil rig movie were a bit of a tough sell, and some of that has to do with Mark Wahlberg I guess. Having seen movies like Contraband, Shooter and Lone Survivor I wasn't too keen on seeing what looked like the tragedy-action Wahlberg vehicle. I'm just picturing a scene where sweaty, dirty Wahlberg calls his wife in the middle of the chaos and there's a big movie swell of emotion and it's just horribly over done. I just don't really care to see Wahlberg play hero, victim or anything really. Casting him sends me signals. Have I got it wrong?

Also, I'm doubtful about how good a job they could do telling the story. I guess Sully pulled it off. I found that very compelling for a story that I thought I basically knew.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 29, 2018, 11:38:49 PM
Another random question. I wonder what the oldest film to be remade is.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 30, 2018, 12:11:32 AM
Another random question. I wonder what the oldest film to be remade is.

I would guess The Great Train Robbery (1903), which has been remade several times, though the story is so simple I think some of them are just train robbery films using a familiar title to boost their own profile.


You name three pretty crummy Wahlberg films, but I believe there is a scene like you describe, only it takes place right after a big shootout. It's not nearly as overdone as the similar scene in American Sniper.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on April 30, 2018, 03:23:57 AM
THe Lumière brothers did several versions of L'arroseur arrosé/Turning Tables on the Gardener, so I'm going to guess that.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on April 30, 2018, 05:11:25 AM
Another random question. I wonder what the oldest film to be remade is.

I would guess The Great Train Robbery (1903), which has been remade several times, though the story is so simple I think some of them are just train robbery films using a familiar title to boost their own profile.


You name three pretty crummy Wahlberg films, but I believe there is a scene like you describe, only it takes place right after a big shootout. It's not nearly as overdone as the similar scene in American Sniper.

I don't recall what the discussion was like around Deepwater Horizon but I actually thought it was pretty good when I watched it a few months ago. I recall a couple of eye rolls moments but thought it better then the average disaster film. Otherwise, Mark W is probably best when there are others that carry the film like The Departed or The Fighter.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on April 30, 2018, 07:03:08 AM
Question for anyone: What's a film title you have never seen mentioned in the history of the forums that you think is actually a pretty good film?

There are a few french movies I've never seen anyone talk about here except me that I like. Astérix et le Domaine des Dieux for example, which is a very good animated movie. Also, a ton of American comedies/romcoms that you'd think of as forgettable but I like them more than most for what they are.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 30, 2018, 01:43:38 PM
Question for anyone: What's a film title you have never seen mentioned in the history of the forums that you think is actually a pretty good film?
I thought I had one because I've never written about The Happiest Millionaire, which I think gets unfair treatment.

(https://imgur.com/gEQkWwP.jpg)

Then I found this...
Happiest Millionaire (1967) This is the type of movie that gives musicals a bad rap--overacting, awful songs, insipid storyline. The sad thing is, is that my kids like it. I am devising a way for it to quietly disappear.
(https://imgur.com/wroiMAO.jpg)
If Sandy says a Musical is terrible, it's hard for me to argue.

Plus there's...
I hated Happiest Millionaire as a kid. Fotuosity my ass!

So now it's an uphill battle.
(https://imgur.com/4Y3ylrl.gif)

I was considering doing a Chapter-by-Chapter for Music of May, but it seems like those posts would go unread since so few people have seen the movie and even less appreciate it. But, I'm planning to watch it and I feel compelled to make my case.
(https://imgur.com/Ux48uV9.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 30, 2018, 01:53:07 PM
Hmm, it sounds like quite a divisive film. Is it really 2 hours and 45 minutes long though? I don't know anything about the film but that seems excessive.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 30, 2018, 03:13:32 PM
The length tends to be the #1 complaint. (#2: It wants to be Mary Poppins and It's no Mary Poppins.) It existed in many forms, the longest being 172 minutes.

(https://imgur.com/YaNdfG3.jpg)

These variances are because of a lengthy Entrance music, an intermission and an occasionally added scene and song. My DVD has the scene and song, "It Won't Be Long Till Christmas", which is easily the worst song in the film. When I watch the DVD, I skip the Entrance, the Intermission and the Opening Credits, which have titles over a series of paintings that establish the time period. Doing that brings the length down to a quite reasonable 140 minutes.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on April 30, 2018, 11:28:00 PM
I hated Happiest Millionaire as a kid. Fotuosity my ass!

:))


1SO, I'll follow along! I may even get some quotes from my kids to rally around you in support.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 30, 2018, 11:29:08 PM
(#2: It wants to be Mary Poppins and It's no Mary Poppins.)

A rich man's Mary Poppins perhaps. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on May 04, 2018, 08:37:19 PM
1SO, I'll follow along! I may even get some quotes from my kids to rally around you in support.

I watched Happiest Millionaire again and I just can't bring myself to write about it. My main problem is I have a lot to say, something that would take multiple posts, but I firmly cannot bring myself to write at length about something that will have very little interest to the boards. For me to spend so much time on all those words I better be coming from the position of making a very strong argument for the film and I'm not. I like the film quite a bit, but it is also deeply flawed and downright bad in places. I already have a lot of underseen films I can advocate from many different angles. This is nothing greater than "it's not as bad as it (tiny) reputation."
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on May 13, 2018, 05:22:10 PM
Haven't checked, but I assume the Yuasa is only playing one week in Philly, so sadly looks like I'll miss it on the big screen  :-\
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: roujin on May 16, 2018, 08:40:36 AM
It's a pretty fun big screen experience with lots of really dazzling color and set pieces so it's a shame, but hopefully there's another Yuasa film on the way with The Night is Short, Walk on Girl supposedly also set for a release at some point this year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on May 17, 2018, 09:38:55 PM
Praise be to Yuasa. And though it's hardly the same there will be a Hosoda that I won't miss.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jascook on May 18, 2018, 12:21:36 PM
Remember when we all thought Leonard Part 6 was the worst thing Bill Cosby had ever done?

**

Bill and Ted 3 is really going to be a thing, apparently. That's kind of bizarre.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jascook on May 18, 2018, 12:32:38 PM
I know this is from a few pages back, but I just have to say it made me laugh.

(https://i.imgur.com/SoHcOYg.jpg) NoahJ456 Twitter
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jascook on May 18, 2018, 12:40:42 PM
I think if the happiest millionaire had to sit through the entirety of The Happiest Millionaire, he wouldn't be so happy anymore.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on May 29, 2018, 01:19:39 PM
Someone on Twitter said Galaxy Quest has the exact same premise as Three Amigos and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. Love both films.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on May 29, 2018, 04:52:01 PM
See also A Bug's Life, Sholay, Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven in varying degrees.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Jeff Schroeck on June 04, 2018, 05:35:26 PM
Someone on Twitter said Galaxy Quest has the exact same premise as Three Amigos and I haven't been able to stop thinking about it. Love both films.

One of my and my future wife's first hangouts was having dinner at my house and watching these two movies, which I hadn't seen before. The pairing was a total coincidence; we didn't realize there was a theme until sometime later that night!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 05, 2018, 03:49:26 AM
Three Amigos sounds like a racist 1940s Disney movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 05, 2018, 06:15:45 AM
Apparently Infernal Affairs had not one but two sequels. Are they at all worth watching?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 05, 2018, 07:29:05 AM
Three Amigos sounds like a racist 1940s Disney movie.

Three Caballeros?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 05, 2018, 08:32:00 AM
Well, yes, but I was making a joke.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 05, 2018, 08:38:37 AM
I like jokes!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 05, 2018, 08:53:27 AM
*in Captain Holt's voice*

I too enjoy humorous comments.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on June 05, 2018, 04:22:35 PM
Apparently Infernal Affairs had not one but two sequels. Are they at all worth watching?

1 and 2 are good, I do not remember if I have seen 3.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 26, 2018, 07:34:39 AM
My blu ray player broke earlier this month and I've been neglecting my movie watching, with the exception of things in theaters. I should probably replace it soon and get back on track.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 26, 2018, 11:49:55 AM
I watched Columbus last year on a TV screen and now it is getting a limited release here. These late exports can be so infuriating. It would have been so gorgeous to see it on the big screen.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on June 26, 2018, 12:03:19 PM
I'm moving there soon (cue another round of Junior being an idiot)!

But seriously, Corndog, is there nothing worse than not being able to watch your movies at home? I'd argue that there isn't anything worse than that.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on June 26, 2018, 01:37:47 PM
I had the upcoming three westerns from my marathon at home from the library and had to return them unwatched!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on June 26, 2018, 01:38:14 PM
The worst.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on June 26, 2018, 05:42:31 PM
This injustice cannot stand.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on June 26, 2018, 10:49:40 PM
I had to bail on three before I left on a week-long work trip, including The Handmaid's Tale S1 that I had waited on for a few months and now have to wait on a few more.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on July 06, 2018, 11:57:14 PM
I don't know where the Avatar sequels are in terms of hitting theatres or whatever, but I'm looking forward to them a lot more than any other Blockbuster content I can think of. Maybe it's because I don't know where it's going, or that it's not a superhero movie, or a prequel or a spin-off. The first film was good for the watching but hasn't stuck with me. I've never revisited it and my opinion of it is a pretty distant memory now. A strong sequel could really elevate it though.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on July 07, 2018, 08:11:56 PM
Apparently Infernal Affairs had not one but two sequels. Are they at all worth watching?

Part 2 certainly is, some prefer to the first. The Departed also takes from both stories. The 3rd had too many borrowed pieces from the first 2, at least from what I remember.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 10, 2018, 01:29:16 PM
I didn't realize Joan Fontaine and Olivia de Havilland were sisters. Now that I think about it, I can see how they have similar features but it's something I don't think I ever would have put together if I didn't stumble across it online.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 10, 2018, 02:20:36 PM
I have undying love for Olivia de Havilland and total indifference to Joan Fontaine. I wonder if that's just me or how their legacies have changed over time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 11, 2018, 04:15:39 AM
What are your favourite Havilland performances?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 11, 2018, 09:38:31 AM
I've seen 35 of her films.

1. The Heiress (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=9917.msg670471#msg670471) (1949)
2. The Dark Mirror (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=11622.msg708364#msg708364) (1946)
3. The Snake Pit (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=12547.msg800929#msg800929) (1948)
4. It's Love I'm After (1937)
5. The Strawberry Blonde (1941)
6. The Adventures of Robin Hood (1938)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 11, 2018, 11:14:19 AM
The only one I know there is Robin Hood and her performance is tainted by my general dislike of the movie.

The Heiress
* * * *


The Heiress is one of the best films I've seen this year, and along with The Bad and the Beautiful, a reminder of the great Shames left for me to discover. This doesn't quite make my Top 100 of All Time, but it would be Top 200 for sure. and unlike some of my arthouse discoveries this year, I can't think of a single person I wouldn't recommend this to.

Still true?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 11, 2018, 11:17:28 AM
Quote
(She's currently my #34 greatest performance of All Time.)

What is this list?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 11, 2018, 12:55:08 PM
The Heiress
* * * *


The Heiress is one of the best films I've seen this year, and along with The Bad and the Beautiful, a reminder of the great Shames left for me to discover. This doesn't quite make my Top 100 of All Time, but it would be Top 200 for sure. and unlike some of my arthouse discoveries this year, I can't think of a single person I wouldn't recommend this to.

Still true?
Yes. The Heiress is #182 on my Essentials. The Bad and the Beautiful is #236.


Quote
(She's currently my #34 greatest performance of All Time.)

What is this list?
It was a ballot I turned in for this (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=10711.0). I haven't updated it in three years, but she would still rank high.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 12, 2018, 03:56:09 AM
There isn't an explanation on the thread. Everybody submitted a Top 100 of performances? Is your ballot posted somewhere?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 12, 2018, 08:32:25 AM
Some explanation (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=10510.0)
A thread of lists (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=10527.0)
My 2010 list Alphabetical (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=8852.msg504571#msg504571). This is from before I watched The Heiress.


I'll PM you my 2012 ballot.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on July 12, 2018, 08:48:14 AM
7 years later, I'm still pretty happy with my list. If I were to do a new one, I certainly wouldn't include ALL FOUR performances from Linda Linda Linda, or even any of them. Maybe Bae Doo-na.

I spent so much time making those videos and was so unhappy with the results.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 12, 2018, 09:04:25 AM
Doo-a is bae.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on July 13, 2018, 09:14:40 PM
Has anyone heard anyone quote a Star Wars movie made after ROTJ in real life?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 13, 2018, 09:52:49 PM
What about when Anakin says "it's working!" or maybe something from RotS?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on July 13, 2018, 10:07:37 PM
“Your mother had gone out early, like she always did, to pick mushrooms that grow on the vaporators.”

I say this all the time.  :D
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 13, 2018, 11:12:53 PM
"That's not how The Force works."

I've heard this one frequently two ways. If the speaker thinks the listener(s) won't get the reference they will replace "The Force" with whatever is being discussed.
"That's not how the shopping works."/"That's not how children work."
The tone of the delivery tips off that it's based on the Force Awakens line.

If the speaker thinks the listener(s) WILL get the reference they will say the exact quote, knowing the listeners can make the replacement themselves.
"Donald Trump is going to ignore the subpoena."
"That's not how The Force works."



I've been in conversations where a group can't decide on something or the first, best option is unavailable and after making backup plans, someone will say “The garbage’ll do.”

I've heard "So who talks first? You talk first? I talk first?" as an icebreaker.


From The Last Jedi:
I've been told, “I’ve seen your daily routine. You are not busy.”
When someone doesn't like something they read, I've twice now heard, “Page turners, they were not.”

Following many Donald Trump tweets, I've seen this meme.
(https://imgur.com/PONnR1A.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on July 14, 2018, 12:44:03 AM
Alright, fair enough.

"I hate sand" would be great in a tinder profile.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 14, 2018, 04:45:37 AM
"I hate sand" would be great in a tinder profile.

I've actually seen this. Pretty sure I swiped right.

I've been in conversations where a group can't decide on something or the first, best option is unavailable and after making backup plans, someone will say “The garbage’ll do.”

I love everything you said but this one is my favourite. I'll use it next time I have to invite people for something.

I quote the prequels regularly. Most times as references/jokes but sometimes the quote works in context. If I don't want to go the beach I'll use the I hate sand line. Calling someone young padawan is a great way to condescend to them. Yoda is always quotable. Episode VIII also has a bunch of great lines. Kill the past is a stand out, use it next time you're deleting embarrassing pictures.

You should check out r/prequelmemes if you want a taste.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on July 14, 2018, 05:20:49 AM
"Only Sith deal in absolutes" is one I've seen used, or variations of it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 14, 2018, 08:51:47 AM
I used it on my supervisor the other day when she told me if my work wasn't flawless then it was rubbish. She was not amused.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 14, 2018, 04:14:38 PM
Why is Spring Breakers never on sale?

Amazon is doing their pre-Prime Day stuff and there are select digital things you can rent or own at a discount. So, like, tonight I'll probably rent The Commuter for $2, but honestly I'll likely buy it because it's only $5. Yet SB I can rent for $2, but the option to own is still $13. Dumb.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on July 23, 2018, 10:40:44 PM
When my dad passed away last year, one of the things I discovered among his stuff was my grandmother's diary. It starts when she was 15. It's a 5-year diary, with only a brief space for each year on any given date. So while she didn't have the room (or probably the inclination) to go into great detail, it was interesting to me to see what movies she went to. Most of them are ones I must admit I never heard of. Here are the relevant excerpts:

6/30/30: Murder Will Out rather disappointed me.

7/1/30: That was nice of Aunt Ess to take me to a show. Bulldog Drummond was very interesting.

12/25/31 - Harold came over to Pauline Gaul's for me with the boys. When we got to the car they drove off and made us walk almost all the way home. We went to see Peach O'Reno - Wheeler & Woolsey.

2/6/32 - I saw Strictly Dishonorable, it was adorable (Movie)

2/25/32 - Louis and I went to the Brown to see Peach O'Reno. I had seen it but I enjoyed it anyway.

7/9/32 - Went to see The Rich Are Always With Us. I enjoyed it very much.

12/5/32 - Went to the movie to see The Big Broadcast. Cab Calloway was marvelous doing "Minnie the Moocher".

3/18/33 - Went to see Farewell to Arms and almost had hysterics.

4/16/33 - J. came to dinner. We went to see Mystery of the Wax Museum. Not very good ["J." is my grandfather James, usually referred to as Jimmy in the diary]

4/21/33 - Lester was taking Jean (my great aunt) to the preview and Jerry and Sid came with them. They took me too. King Kong and Private Jones were the movies.

4/24/33 - Mother too me to the movies this afternoon to see Hard to Handle. She was so sweet.

5/18/33 - Went to see Hat Check Girl with the girls.

6/8/33 - Went to see Made on Broadway with Jimmy. He was sweet but not unusually so.

6/9/33 - Went to see Picture Snatcher with Jean and Selma. No Jimmy tonite but he called 3 times.

6/17/33 - Deanie Klienman went with me to see I Cover the Waterfront -- it was a good movie.

6/18/33 - Bess & I went to see Mae West She Done Him Wrong. It was swell.

6/29/33 - Libby, Jean & I went to see When Ladies Meet -- it was swell.

7/5/33 - Went to see Bondage with Bess & Lib.

7/9/33 - Bob Klienman took me to see Peg O My Heart -- we came home and talked for hours.

7/19/33 - Bess, Sarah and I went to see Double Harness -- Ann Harding was superb.

8/14/33 - Spent the night at Sylvia's. Went to see Richard Dix - No Marriage Ties. Fairly good. Had a very nice time.

8/17/33 - Went to see As You Desire Me.

9/8/33 - Jimmy and I went to see Masquerader -- we enjoyed it. He was awfully sweet.

10/14/33 - Went out to see Jimmy. He got Bess a date with Ross Fox - a darling boy. We all went to Edy's to supper. They took us to see Arizona to Broadway -- it was rotten.

12/25/33 - Walked up to 59th St with Peg & Mel, then to see Madchen in Uniform.


It's the last one I find most fascinating. It's a good movie and I wonder what my grandma thought of it... and its rather overt lesbian themes.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on July 23, 2018, 10:56:57 PM
This is really neat to read. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 23, 2018, 11:13:32 PM
Top 5 Peter Lorre Performances, 1 - 4 would be some order of...
M
The Maltese Falcon
Arsenic and Old Lace
Casablanca

That 5th slot is not so easy. Mad Love (1935) would be a popular choice around here, but now that I've seen Crime and Punishment (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=9092.msg891330#msg891330), it's the only one that stands equal with the quartet.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 23, 2018, 11:59:51 PM
Martin, that's fascinating. Imagine the day when William discovers your blog.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 24, 2018, 03:20:30 AM
What would be a normal amount of movies for a person to see in a year in the thirties? I know everyone doesn't like movies the same, but considering ticket prices and the amount of movies made and there not being VHS tapes (were television reruns a thing already?) would two movies in 1930 or a bunch in 1933 be more representative of the average person?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 24, 2018, 03:28:56 AM
Martin, that's fascinating. Imagine the day when William discovers your blog.

I can't wait for the new blog entries when his kid makes him watch all the Disney and other animated movies he hasn't already. 55 times.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on July 24, 2018, 05:54:28 AM
Marathon idea, Martin! Retrace her steps! This is really interesting and cool.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on July 24, 2018, 08:35:42 AM
Marathon idea, Martin! Retrace her steps! This is really interesting and cool.

That's a neat idea... not one I have any time for now, but perhaps in the future.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on July 24, 2018, 08:39:07 AM
What would be a normal amount of movies for a person to see in a year in the thirties? I know everyone doesn't like movies the same, but considering ticket prices and the amount of movies made and there not being VHS tapes (were television reruns a thing already?) would two movies in 1930 or a bunch in 1933 be more representative of the average person?

I suspect there are many more she saw, she just didn't record them. She was pretty inconsistent about keeping up the diary, especially prior to 1933.

I was surprised by how many she went to, though I guess I also went to the movies a whole lot when I was 17-18. Especially in the summertime.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on July 24, 2018, 09:47:46 AM
The interesting thing for me is that you and she both have movies in common.  And she liked to write reviews as well.  She could have focused more on the people, but she mentioned the movies and her opinion of them. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on July 24, 2018, 03:02:34 PM
My favorite one is,

3/18/33 - Went to see Farewell to Arms and almost had hysterics.

The movie is not for the faint of heart.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 24, 2018, 06:36:38 PM
Is it okay to make M:I-F my first M:I film?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on July 24, 2018, 08:28:58 PM
Is it okay to make M:I-F my first M:I film?

Sounds like this one closely follows-up the storyline from Rogue Nation (which is great). If you have time to see that one, it would probably help, but I'm sure you wouldn't be that lost just diving right in.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on July 25, 2018, 07:32:28 AM
My favorite one is,

3/18/33 - Went to see Farewell to Arms and almost had hysterics.

The movie is not for the faint of heart.

That was may favorite too. The Borzage appreciation knows no limits.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on July 26, 2018, 09:17:01 AM
It occurred to me that in any zombie movie, the zombies always look like pretty young people... the majority in their 20's-40's. But shouldn't they be mostly elderly? Does any zombie movie (or show) have a more realistic corpse demographic? Or at least an explanation why the majority of zombies aren't senior citizens? Is it like a thing where the restless spirits are the ones who died too soon?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 26, 2018, 09:25:24 AM
There's a ton of zombie hillbillies in The Walking Dead.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on July 26, 2018, 11:52:54 AM
It seems to me that the older the body, the more corruption.  Perhaps the young bodies are the ones that can make it out of their graves, but most old bodies couldn't.  The older zombies you see might be those that were infected while living.  Still, there should be more older zombies, you're right.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on July 26, 2018, 11:56:33 AM
Perhaps the old zombies don't have enough teeth left to eat flesh so they've given up on it and are content with brain milkshakes.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on August 01, 2018, 08:29:32 PM
Lol just got a message about an early screening of Operation Finale, which I didn't know much about but the cast at least seems interesting; however, Nick Kroll plays a character names Rafi and that's just great. Wish The League was still on.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 01, 2018, 10:45:15 PM
Nah, The League ran its course. It was getting stale and repetitive by the end.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 02, 2018, 03:45:58 AM
Lol just got a message about an early screening of Operation Finale, which I didn't know much about but the cast at least seems interesting; however, Nick Kroll plays a character names Rafi and that's just great.

This is fantastic. I need more Nick Kroll in my life.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on August 02, 2018, 09:38:07 PM
Nah, The League ran its course. It was getting stale and repetitive by the end.

I liked how they talked about fantasy football and also made jokes. But most definitely the fantasy football.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 03, 2018, 03:42:05 AM
The League may be the most sports related thing I've ever liked.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on August 06, 2018, 06:54:29 PM
It's nuts to me that Vanessa Hudgens is a name that is still marketable, but SB is a great film and I'm pumped to see Dog Days tomorrow night.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 08, 2018, 07:51:49 AM
In the last 6 or so months I have watched Manos: Hands of Fate, Troll 2 and The Room. And I have to say The Room is not that bad. I did try to watch a Neil Breen film, but did not finish it, I may punish myself sometime and finish one of his.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 08, 2018, 08:47:16 AM
The Room isn't that bad in comparison, but it's a special kind of bad that you want to share with others. Also, when people learned more about Tommy Wiseau it added to the fascination. Manos (and Birdemic, which should've been in your marathon) have had articles written about them, but their behind the scenes story isn't as fascinating. Manos was also the perfect film for the MST3K/Rifftrax treatment, because they can build a lot of running gags to fill the dead spots. Manos is a far harder film to watch without them. (If you watch the Rifftrax ep of The Room, it's comically beating a dead horse and the hosts treat t more like a Rocky Horror experience.)

Neil Breen is a whole other level. The incomprehensibility of his scripts, filled with him clearly being passionate about something, is rendered worthless because he has no charisma, no personality, and even after 4 films there is no hint that he's in on the joke. The little that is known about Breen, the less people care, which doesn't add anything to the enjoyment of his films, which seem like they would be brutal to sit thru. (I've only been able to watch a few clips.) There's a thread on How Did This Get Made because people want the podcast to do a Neil Breen film, but it's been nixed because there's no fun and they don't want their listeners to feel obligated to watch in order to follow the show.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on August 08, 2018, 12:56:15 PM
In the last 6 or so months I have watched Manos: Hands of Fate, Troll 2 and The Room. And I have to say The Room is not that bad. I did try to watch a Neil Breen film, but did not finish it, I may punish myself sometime and finish one of his.

I’ve seen Manos and The Room but not T2.
Manos was just super bad, but MST3K treatment made it fun (1 time) for me, there is a savant brilliance to The Room, like really interesting outsider art.
It helped that I knew the backstory surrounding The Room before I saw it. I sort of wish I could have seen it for the first time without knowing it’s mythology. It’s pathos overload would be a delightful puzzle on its own without knowing Wiseau’s vague history. The emotional well behind the film is obviously deep.
Sestero’s actual book gives a far more nuanced and loving picture of Wiseau than the film adaptation of it. It makes me see Wiseau more as fearless by uncovering, and filming, his own insecurities and dreams than as a total narcissist and creepy buffoon and, yes,  there are moments of just weird creepiness as well.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 08, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
I should have stated I did enjoy all 3 of the films, they are just poorly/badly made. I heard about Neil Breen on the Outside the Cinema podcast where they have reviewed a couple of his films and have an audio commentary for Fateful Findings. The problem I had trying to watch "I Am Here...Now" is that there are long stretches where not much happens. In the 3 I mentioned they still move along at a reasonable pace, and there is something to enjoy.

I will see if I can find Birdemic, should I watch it before or after seeing Hitchcock's The Birds?

Dipping into the bottom of the movie making barrel is fun.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on August 08, 2018, 10:11:09 PM
I did try to watch a Neil Breen film, but did not finish it, I may punish myself sometime and finish one of his.

One of the best episodes of Best of the Worst (RedLetterMedia) has a Breen film featured. Max Landis is a guest on that episode. Fun stuff.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on August 08, 2018, 10:44:19 PM
Martin, are you going to the Xanadu sing-along in Portland?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 09, 2018, 04:35:00 PM
Nah. I don’t know the songs well enough and besides.... baby.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on August 09, 2018, 09:04:05 PM
Ah yes.  I took my infant to Jurassic Park in 1992.  Looking back, that perhaps wasn't the best idea, but the baby was quiet (even if nothing else was) for two full hours.  That was nice.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 17, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
Sandy's remarks on The Godfather (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14821.msg892154#msg892154) got me thinking. We're a forum of mostly dudes, and I'm wondering how many of us prefer movies about mostly dudes. To what extent is your top 100 (or other number) a sausage party? That is, how many films among your favorites have no significant female roles? I'll leave it up to you to define "significant".

For me:

The Blues Brothers (one could argue that Aretha Franklin, Carrie Fisher and/or Kathleen Freeman are "significant" enough, but I'd say they're all borderline)
2001: A Space Odyssey
Aguirre: The Wrath of God (two characters that are mildly significant plotwise but have few lines)
Seven Samurai
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Apocalypse Now
High and Low
Devils on the Doorstep
A Man Escaped
Stalker
Wallace and Gromit in The Wrong Trousers

Which would make my list 11% sausage party. Slightly mitigated by three films with no significant male roles: Linda Linda Linda, Innocence and All About My Mother (if we count characters by their chosen gender).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 17, 2018, 12:43:19 PM
My list:

Their Will Be Blood
2001: A Space Odyssey
Lawrence of Arabia
Seven Samurai
The Big Short
The Departed
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Kagemusha
Les Choristes
In Bruges
Pain & Gain
The Social Network

12 - Almost as few as Martin, surprisingly. My rules were mostly arbitrary. I haven't read Sandy's comments, but I count Michael's paramour in The Godfather as enough. Black Widow is in almost all of my favourite Avengers movies (plus Scarlet Witch, in some) and I choose to count that. There's a few movies with only minor roles for women, but I think by Martin's rules they don't make the cut.

The only theme I see here is that most of them are movies about very masculine worlds. Violence, for a lot of them, but also finance and coding. I'd say it is not unreasonable for them to not feature women more predominantly, and you could even argue TSN and The Departed shouldn't quite be on the list.

I don't think I have any symmetrical examples though.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 17, 2018, 12:43:40 PM
The Thin Red Line
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring
Stalker
Apocalypse Now
M
Taste of Cherry
The Son
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Flowers of St. Francis
Silence
A Clockwork Orange
A Man Escaped
The Man Who Planted Trees


So 13 percent, which sounds about right.

I also wonder how much should be mitigated by films that are about only a character or two (A Man Escaped/The Man Who Planted Trees).

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 17, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
My list:

Their Will Be Blood
2001: A Space Odyssey
Lawrence of Arabia
Seven Samurai
The Big Short
The Departed
The Grand Budapest Hotel
Kagemusha
Les Choristes
In Bruges
Pain & Gain
The Social Network

12 - Almost as few as Martin, surprisingly. My rules were mostly arbitrary. I haven't read Sandy's comments, but I count Michael's paramour in The Godfather as enough. Black Widow is in almost all of my favourite Avengers movies (plus Scarlet Witch, in some) and I choose to count that. There's a few movies with only minor roles for women, but I think by Martin's rules they don't make the cut.

The only theme I see here is that most of them are movies about very masculine worlds. Violence, for a lot of them, but also finance and coding. I'd say it is not unreasonable for them to not feature women more predominantly, and you could even argue TSN and The Departed shouldn't quite be on the list.

I don't think I have any symmetrical examples though.

Is this (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=6317.msg836547#msg836547) still your top 100?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on August 17, 2018, 02:42:57 PM
I think these 9 would maybe qualify?

12 Angry Men
In Bruges
1776
The Prestige
High Strung
Moonlight
The Matador
In The Heat of the Night
A Time For Burning

I could probably find an equal number where no men are prominent: Innocence, Water Lilies, CINECAST!ing Amal at a minimum. Probably Mustang and Clouds of Sils Maria.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 17, 2018, 05:57:17 PM
30 Male films:

The Third Man
Apocalypse Now
Dead Poets Society 
Sanjuro 
Paths of Glory 
Harvey 
Stalag 17 
El Topo 
The Shawshank Redemption
The Vanishing 
Sling Blade 
The Blues Brothers 

Falling Down 
Dead Man 
The Hurt Locker 
Lawrence of Arabia 
The Five Obstructions 
Mystic River 
The Holy Mountain 
Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter and Spring 
Letters From Iwo Jima 
Pink Flyod: The Wall
Primer 
Sorcerer
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of The Ring 
The Usual Suspects 
American History X 
Clerks 
Midnight Cowboy 

Countered by a measly 1 female film:
Volver
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 17, 2018, 06:26:27 PM
I remember when TV would proudly advertise "Movies for guys who like movies."

I'll limit this to my Top 100

4.   Die Hard
9.   Goodfellas
10.   Who Framed Roger Rabbit
12.   Toy Story
15.   Se7en
16.   City Of God
21.   The Day Of The Jackal
24.   A Clockwork Orange
29.   JFK
31.   Seven Samurai
36.   Jesus Christ Superstar
37.   For A Few Dollars More
41.   The Good, The Bad And The Ugly
42.   The Ninth Configuration
43.   Jaws
46.   The Social Network
47.   Perfume: The Story Of A Murderer
49.   Ikiru
53.   Pink Floyd The Wall
58.   The Godfather Part II
59.   Sherlock: A Scandal In Belgravia
62.   12 Angry Men
63.   Aguirre: The Wrath Of God
64.   The 400 Blows
66.   Hot Fuzz
73.   The Human Condition
79.   Lethal Weapon
85.   Silverado
86.   Crimson Tide
87.   The Last Laugh
89.   Psycho   [debatable]
96.   Life Of Brian
97.   Duck Soup

33. I expected my list would be large.
I expected Crimson Tide to be the Most Dudest, forgetting about 12 Angry Men
The opposite end is represented by...
Mary Poppins
Erin Brockovich
Scream
The Silence of the Lambs
Dangerous Liaisons ?


The fulcrum would be Scenes From a Marriage
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 17, 2018, 06:35:46 PM
As Psycho is focused almost completely on Leigh's character for the first third to half the movie, I would definitely not include it.

I also would say that the character Irene Adler in Sherlock: A Scandal In Belgravia is a significant character.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 17, 2018, 06:58:06 PM
It's disappointing that I can't represent the screwball comedies where the woman is seen as equal to the man only to prove to be superior.
The Lady Eve
His Girl Friday
Ball of Fire
also the film noir Double Indemnity

Stage Door misses my 100 by inches.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on August 17, 2018, 07:01:27 PM
I'll limit this to my Top 100
55.   Erin Brockovich

34. I expected my list would be large.
I expected Crimson Tide to be the Most Dudest, forgetting about 12 Angry Men
The opposite end is represented by...
Erin Brockovich


 ???

For what it's worth, I think you're being too hard on Jesus Christ Superstar, in the same respect that I was too hard on 1776, discounting Abigail Adams and Martha Jefferson. I probably could have cut half of my list down if I wanted to be generous in my depiction of major female roles. There's no debating 12 Angry Men though as I'm pretty sure no woman talks in that film...if one even appears on screen (which would only be possible in the end scene on the stairs).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 17, 2018, 07:51:22 PM
Shots of Women in 12 Angry Men. Looking for them, I think the framing and wardrobe was a deliberate attempt to draw attention.

(https://imgur.com/QNcgs2O.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/JCFKid9.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/7AjTNSX.jpg)

(https://imgur.com/cr8QCPk.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on August 17, 2018, 08:48:56 PM
Is this (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=6317.msg836547#msg836547) still your top 100?

No, there is a 2017 version of the list. I cannot link it right now but it is easily findable through my Letterboxd account.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on August 17, 2018, 09:39:49 PM
In my most recent top 100 for the club, this is my list:
Lawrence of Arabia
Journey to the West
The Human Condition
Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai
Kagemusha
Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter… and Spring
M
Hunger
Exit Through the Gift Shop
Andrei Rublev
Alamar
Paths of Glory
For All Mankind


That's 13 and they might be mitigated by these films which have women as the almost exclusive focus:


The Scent of Green Papaya
Three Colors: Blue
Wendy and Lucy
The Double Life of Veronique

There are men in significant roles in a couple of those, but the focus is off of them.  However, it is interesting to me that these "balancing" films are not of groups of women, but solitary women, whose story no one really enters.  Then I noticed other movies in which there were solitary women living in a man's world:

Pan’s Labryinth
The New World
Leon
Network
Metropolis
Red River
Once Upon a Time in the West

In most of the cases, women want to become like certain of the men, or to out-man the men or to meet the desires of men and so be a part of their world.  The main exception to this (in my list) is, interestingly, Pan's Labyrinth, where a girl uses her secret world to undermine the men's world. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on August 17, 2018, 10:04:52 PM
Interesting lists and the dynamics you're all observing.


As a counterpoint, I only have two dude films in my top 100,

The Intouchables
Taps

Everything else is either women-centric, or women essential and men play central parts in all my top 100. It may be cliché, but as a female, relationships rule my list.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 18, 2018, 12:08:19 AM
Pink Flyod: The Wall
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of The Ring

I might consider the mother and wife in The Wall significant enough to count... though hardly flattering portrayals of women. As for LOTR, you're being harsher than I would. It certainly is MOSTLY dudes, but Galadriel packs a big punch, and Arwen and Eowyn are memorable.

American History X
Clerks

I feel like both of these had a fairly substantial female role, but I guess I'm not familiar enough with either.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 18, 2018, 12:13:49 AM
I remember when TV would proudly advertise "Movies for guys who like movies."

I'll limit this to my Top 100

4.   Die Hard
9.   Goodfellas
10.   Who Framed Roger Rabbit
15.   Se7en
36.   Jesus Christ Superstar
49.   Ikiru
53.   Pink Floyd The Wall
58.   The Godfather Part II
89.   Psycho   [debatable]
97.   Duck Soup


You're being quite harsh indeed. While a lot of these are definitely very male-oriented films, I would say each has one or more significant female roles. I left Goodfellas off my own list because Karen is such a memorable and pivotal character.

I did say the definition of "significant" is up to each individual, though, and I like that some of you are viewing your lists with even more critical eyes than I intended.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 18, 2018, 07:56:43 AM
Pink Flyod: The Wall
The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of The Ring

I might consider the mother and wife in The Wall significant enough to count... though hardly flattering portrayals of women. As for LOTR, you're being harsher than I would. It certainly is MOSTLY dudes, but Galadriel packs a big punch, and Arwen and Eowyn are memorable.

American History X
Clerks

I feel like both of these had a fairly substantial female role, but I guess I'm not familiar enough with either.

For PF:TW I feel the film is so focused on Pink that there are no other significant characters that have a place in the film that are not in service to the character of Pink.
For TotR: TFofR, the bits in the Elf home do have female characters, but it is too small a part of the film to pass a threshold in my head. I see the rest of the trilogy getting the better female roles.
For American History X there are some female characters, but I do not remember anything significant about their role in the film.
For Clerks, my memory is that this film is about 2 characters and a part of a day in their life. There is a bit with Silent Bob and Jay, but the rest is incidental characters.

My memory is a bit sketchy with some of these films, so I am going on my perception as much as anything.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on August 18, 2018, 09:55:32 AM
From my new list:

Movies focused on men:
Stalker
Jaws
The Thing
High and Low
2001: A Space Odyssey
The Act of Killing (?)
Zodiac (?)
Sherlock Jr. (?)
Dr. Strangelove

Movies focused on women
Scream
We Need to Talk about Kevin
Suspiria
Personal Shopper
The Handmaiden
World of Tomorrow
Pan's Labyrinth
Repulsion
Under the Skin
The Witch
Black Swan
Cries and Whispers
The Silence of the Lambs
Halloween
Alien
The Innocents
The Red Shoes
The Double Life of Veronique
The Sound of Music

Movies with a(t least one) man/woman relationship at its center
West Side Story
The Shining
An American in Paris
Hiroshima mon Amour
The Young Girls of Rochefort
Lucky Star
On the Waterfront
Days of Heaven
Rear Window
Singin' in the Rain
The Mortal Storm
The Umbrellas of Cherbourg
Before Midnight
The Shop Around the Corner
The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover
The Lion in Winter
Sing Street
Blade Runner
Get Out
The Wind Rises
Once
The Lady Eve
Eyes Wide Shut (?)
The Quiet Man

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on August 18, 2018, 10:04:58 AM
I tried to count this and didn't find a criteria I really liked, so I gave up. But even with the most generous approach, I think around 1% of my list qualify for the sausage party (though they do not include the literal film Sausage Party, which does have some female characters though I don't much care for it).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 18, 2018, 10:42:27 AM
I tried to count this and didn't find a criteria I really liked, so I gave up. But even with the most generous approach, I think around 1% of my list qualify for the sausage party (though they do not include the literal film Sausage Party, which does have some female characters though I don't much care for it).

I should have set some criteria (heck, maybe just the good ol' Bechdel test) but I didn't want to be pushy about it. But come on, 1%? I would say these absolutely qualify:

2001: A Space Odyssey
Reservoir Dogs
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Dr. Strangelove

And all of these are at least arguable:

High and Low
Full Metal Jacket
Seven Samurai
Fitzcarraldo
The Blues Brothers
Life of Brian
Stalker
Zodiac
Snatch
The Wall
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on August 18, 2018, 10:49:19 AM
There was a 0 missing there, I meant 10.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on August 18, 2018, 12:17:10 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/Gt1coK3.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 18, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on August 18, 2018, 04:45:24 PM
To what extent is your top 100 (or other number) a sausage party? That is, how many films among your favorites have no significant female roles? I'll leave it up to you to define "significant".

Based on my recollection of the films. Some of these certainly have female roles many might consider significant, but if I barely remember the impact those characters had on the story, I included the film here.

Werckmeister Harmonies
Dr. Strangelove
Evil Dead 2
Repo Man
Yojimbo
Seven Samurai
The Conversation
The Godfather
The French Connection
The Thing
A Serious Man
Raging Bull
All the President's Men
Miller's Crossing
American Movie
Titicut Follies
The General
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 21, 2018, 02:57:18 PM
Which version of Greed should I watch? Some people say the 4 hour version is overlong and filled with lots of stills while others say it's pretty great.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 21, 2018, 03:27:03 PM
I think that’s the version I saw and it was all of those things. Overall I was happy I didn’t watch a shorter version.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on August 21, 2018, 04:39:02 PM
Go back in time and watch the 8 hour cut!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on August 21, 2018, 04:54:58 PM
My experience was the same as 1SO. Well worth it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on August 21, 2018, 05:45:01 PM
But should he read the book first? That is the question.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on August 21, 2018, 07:14:27 PM
All I've heard is that it's, for lack of a better word, good.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 21, 2018, 08:45:47 PM
But should he read the book first? That is the question.
Reading the book first is like having to eat your veggies before dessert.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on August 23, 2018, 05:40:10 AM
Apparently I am incapable of telling Zooey Deutch from Haley Lu Richardson. I was 50% into watching Set It Up sure I was watching the latter actress.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on August 26, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
Making my Top 5 Things You're a Sucker For list, got me thinking: What's the last good kiss you saw in a film? Recent films, not old films you caught up on.

I'm honestly having trouble thinking of any. Maybe Call Me By Your Name, but I don't have a clear memory of just a kissing scene.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on August 26, 2018, 03:13:22 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwQgNleNTc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntwQgNleNTc)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on August 26, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
Would you consider Inception?

Ariadne: What's happening?
Arthur: Your subconscious is looking for the dreamer; me. Quick, give me a kiss.
Ariadne: [She kisses him and then looks around]
Ariadne: They're still looking at us.
Arthur: Yeah, it was worth a shot.

How can you not enjoy this moment? :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on August 26, 2018, 03:53:21 PM
 :)



The Shape of Water's moments were bold and weirdly sexy. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on August 26, 2018, 04:01:04 PM
Okay, Call Me By Your Name certainly does have a good one.

I don't remember that from Inception.

I didn't like Shape of Water, but it does make a big moment out their kiss.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on August 26, 2018, 04:26:19 PM
The friend I watched Flower with thought the kiss between the step-siblings was a good one.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on August 26, 2018, 04:29:21 PM
I like the kiss in Interstellar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtTkcM9BfXM&t=3m29s#no) too. It's fun. :)

Nolan does it again! :))
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on August 27, 2018, 03:53:14 AM
The Shape of Water's moments were bold and weirdly sexy.

That's a good way to describe that movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on September 01, 2018, 04:18:50 AM
I could not resist sharing this.

The Biscotti Kid (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6FDts-erVw)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on September 18, 2018, 08:31:52 PM
Watching the de-aging of Samuel L. Jackson in the Captain Marvel trailer reinforced the idea that were probably only a decade away from being able to insert any actor into any movie we want.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on September 18, 2018, 09:46:55 PM
I mean, watch the thing Jordan Peale did with the facial replacement technology to voice Obama, or read the trend pieces about AI-fake celeb porn. Sure, it will do some cool things for entertainment but it could be a real hellscape for society at large.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on September 19, 2018, 02:26:07 AM
I mean, watch the thing Jordan Peale did with the facial replacement technology to voice Obama, or read the trend pieces about AI-fake celeb porn. Sure, it will do some cool things for entertainment but it could be a real hellscape for society at large.

this is a good listen (hope it is the correct one):

https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/breaking-news/

It was scary what they are being able to do, they can edit a voice recording just by cutting and pasting the words in a different order and you can't tell that it was edit, at least to the normal ear. You may need a specialist to be able to detect doctored recordings just like photos.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on September 19, 2018, 04:14:29 PM
True on all counts. And I wasn't meaning to imply I thought this was cool just inevitable. Definitely scary real-world implications. I almost ended my first post with "And porn will lead the way."
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on September 19, 2018, 06:56:18 PM
All hail porn!!!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on September 20, 2018, 07:38:47 AM
I mean, Blu Ray won out over HD DVD because of porn. It's influence is undeniable in these matters.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on September 20, 2018, 09:41:50 AM
I mean, Blu Ray won out over HD DVD because of porn. It's influence is undeniable in these matters.

BR was just a better format, I hardly recall porn being a factor at the time of the format war. I don’t think porn cared, it already knew where the real future was headed
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on September 20, 2018, 10:01:03 AM
I mean, Blu Ray won out over HD DVD because of porn. It's influence is undeniable in these matters.

It did ? Could you elaborate, that sounds interesting ?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on September 20, 2018, 12:19:18 PM
I don't have any details I just remember hearing that was the case. That because the porn industry chose Blu Ray, that the entertainment industry followed.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on September 20, 2018, 01:24:19 PM
It was an element, I think, but maybe a bigger factor was that the cheapest Blu-ray player at the outset was a PS3 and at half the price you could also play state-of-the-art videogames. Hard to beat that in a bang-for-your-buck sense.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on September 20, 2018, 01:33:38 PM
I see what you did there...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on September 20, 2018, 01:39:50 PM
(https://media1.giphy.com/media/dhCx7EyeGYD7O/giphy.webp)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on September 20, 2018, 01:47:34 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/dhCx7EyeGYD7O/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on September 20, 2018, 01:54:17 PM
Gah! It showed up on my phone.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: DarkeningHumour on September 20, 2018, 02:30:25 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/dhCx7EyeGYD7O/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on September 20, 2018, 09:31:00 PM
There's that whole part in cinematic classic Tropic Thunder where they talk about how porn pushed Blu-Ray over HD DVD.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on September 20, 2018, 11:03:05 PM
I use to closely follow the format war at the time and was active in forums that were closely watching the numbers and what was being released each week.  While I can see having Porn’s endorsement may have put a tick on the side of BR, I don’t really recall it being much of a factor.  As mentioned above, having the PS3 support BR really drove the volume of players to the BR side. The HD-DVD side often wanted to look only at dedicated player sales as an indicator and argued that people only were buying the PS3 for games, but I don’t think it was the case at all.  I think the non-gamer players were weighted in favour of HD-DVD but the volume of the PS3 trumped all the players combined and drove disk volume.

I bought a PS3 and never bought of played a game on it. I wish I had kepted it  as if have an original PS3 that has an early version of the firmware that still do a dual boot, you likely can sell it for good money.  There are a small number of players (a couple from Panasonic, the Oppo 103/105, and the original PS3) that can be used to rip SACD’s to ISO files that then can be played through a computer or audio player.


Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on October 01, 2018, 07:10:32 AM
My movie watching sucked in September. Only 2 by my count. I resolve to watch a ton more in October!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 01, 2018, 09:52:55 AM
I only watched two as well! But yes, I plan on watching a lot more in October.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on October 04, 2018, 12:53:14 AM
Portland now has the Drugstore Cowboy walking tour!

Just contact Kick Ass Oregon History for more information!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on October 09, 2018, 03:54:22 PM
Paul Greengrass must get the hugest boner every time something terrible happens in the world.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on October 11, 2018, 06:48:38 PM
"Oh! Of course Shea Whigham is in this" is something I happily say to myself a lot.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 15, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
I didn't realize Bad Times at the El Royal was the new Drew Godard film. Guess I know what I'm gonna go see this week.
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Post by: Junior on October 15, 2018, 11:06:11 AM
It's pretty good!
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Post by: StudentOFilm on October 25, 2018, 10:11:55 PM
Although I'm sure I'll like Tarantino's movie more, I'm much more excited to see Matt Damon opposite Christian Bale in Mangold's Ford/Ferrari film than I am to see Leonardo DiCaprio opposite Brad Pitt in Tarantino's OUAT in Hollywood.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on October 28, 2018, 03:07:39 AM
There is something about Bill Paxton's Frailty that I just can't shake. Something that just flat-out unsettles me. I seriously think if that movie was insanely successful, we'd be talking about Paxton as a great actor-director.

I wanted to post this in the unpopular opinions thread... but maybe it's less an unpoular opinion and more just my gut meeting hyperbole.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on October 28, 2018, 03:17:17 AM
I wish I could remember it better.
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Post by: colonel_mexico on October 28, 2018, 09:13:11 PM
FRAILTY is great and while I am not sure that film alone would make Paxton great director, he was certainly good and definitely iconic on a lower actor level. Lots of Texas boys in FRAILTY, Powers Boothe RIP and McConaughey in one his better roles. Those jump cuts/flashes of knowing the evil doers makes me wonder was Paxton's character the father or grandfather of David Dunn (UNBREAKABLE)?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on October 29, 2018, 02:32:23 AM
Does anyone know of a site that tells you if a movie has subtitles or not? I’m watching Solo and I’m wondering if I’m going to miss out on some dialogue.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on October 30, 2018, 02:50:08 PM
Was reading Ben Urwand's book The Collaboration which is about the relationship between the Hollywood studios and Nazi Germany in the pre-war years. It is completely fascinating. Basically, in order to retain access to the German market (which was big enough to care about), studios were mandated to not criticize Nazis/m or to depict Jews at all. Even when the first rule fell to the wayside as Germany's imperial desires also ruined the European market for films, the years and years of following these rules were hard to break. In The Mortal Storm, for example, a whole scene about Jewish pride was taken out of the film and any mentions of the word "Jew" was changed to "Non-Aryan."

In explaining why the first rule collapsed, William C. DeMille (Cecil's brother) said the following: "By killing the sale of American films in most of Europe, Mr. Hitler, aided by the leaders of various other totalitarian states, has finally removed that chance of commercial gain which lies so close to the heart of international politeness. With all hope of profit gone, we can, at last, becomes properly indignant and raise our voices in shocked protest without any pecuniary regrets."

Kind of sickening, but it also makes me wonder what similar things are happening currently (perhaps with the Chinese market?).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 30, 2018, 03:21:35 PM
Yea, the Chinese market is a growing concern as Hollywood continues to try to make its films globally inoffensive and "apolitical" in the global context so as not to offend the growing Chinese market. I'm fairly certain the erasure of Taiwanese people as characters in Hollywood films is a thing that has happened (see the Doctor Strange controversy). Also condemning or vilifying the country in general is something films seem to have avoided doing in recent years (see Red Dawn remake). 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on October 30, 2018, 03:43:38 PM
I was thinking if the Red Dawn remake but had forgotten about Doctor Strange. I'm not smart enough about China to know how bad they are relative to Nazis. I will be following more closely, though.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on October 30, 2018, 05:36:13 PM
I was thinking if the Red Dawn remake but had forgotten about Doctor Strange. I'm not smart enough about China to know how bad they are relative to Nazis. I will be following more closely, though.

In China's case, I think it is less about losing the potential market for the films as they don't allow too many to play domestically, just 34 per year. But they do help fund a lot of the films which has a similar effect, you can't bite the hand the feeds you.

They apply this pressure in other industries as well. A few major corporations like hotels and airlines have had to redesign their website or face penalties or possible loss of access to the China market. If you have a site that has a drop-down menu where you can change your location, HK, Macau, or Taiwan have to be embedded as territories of China and can not be called out as individual countries.

I have friends that originally come from China the way of Taiwan as well as a wife born in China, always a good dinner conversation to be had.



Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 31, 2018, 05:07:15 AM
China flexed its muscles with studios years ago, back in 1997 it punished the studios and some cast members (the director, Brad Pitt and David Thewlis were all banned for life from entering China, although 2 of them have since been allowed in) involved in 7 Years in Tibet. Disney released Mulan in 1998 which was seen at the time to used to try and smooth relations with China over Kundun the year before. While Mulan would have been in production before Kundun was released, it is likely they were already thinking about the possibility.

Still I wonder what the Chinese version of Kong: Skull Island was like, the version I watched had a Chinese woman in the cast who did very very little, I wonder if the studio changed that for the Chinese market. A little of Wiki reading and the only mention is that her role in the film was reduced.

Still it reminds me that it was not that long ago that Mad Max was dubbed for the US market, because of concerns it would not do well with Australian accents. The things companies will do to soothe the waters in different markets.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on November 01, 2018, 09:44:35 PM
Bought a ticket to the Director's Cut of The House That Jack Built and have Mirai the night after. Going to be a fun time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on November 02, 2018, 11:58:07 PM
Got back from Mid90s, which I really liked, and A24 is just great for getting interesting things out there. But boy oh boy are they CINECAST!ing Under The Silver Lake hard. I get it's, from what I heard, at best, divisive, just bummed that this thing's getting the How To Talk To Girls At Parties treatment. Like that one, I assume, it's harder to sell, but they're getting these things to show at Cannes, slating releases, pushing them back, and eventually just dumping them out. Thought this thing was hitting in December, but now apparently it's up for April. It has been screened, just not locally, so I'm extra bummed. Same thing happened with The Lobster, though that ended up working out for them. I don't know. I just want to watch this thing. Gives me more time to catch up on American Sleepover, I guess.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on November 05, 2018, 09:33:11 PM
So you think that Michael Cera just was helping out on the set one day and someone thought he was an actor and he was too shy to tell them that he wasn't so he just kept acting until it was too late to back out?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on November 06, 2018, 02:01:30 AM
Is Resevoir Dogs a heist film or a film that surrounds the heist?  Can it really count as a heist film if it never shows it?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on November 06, 2018, 02:35:45 AM
It's been a long time since I saw the film, but don't they flash back to part of the robbery during the film?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on November 06, 2018, 02:41:19 AM
I don't think you see anything happen during the heist from what I recall, you do see the scene of Mr Pink running from the cops just after the heist.  I recently pulled this out and put it in a pile of films to rewatch since it has been quite a long time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on November 11, 2018, 03:05:59 AM
I am sooooooo tempted: 48-Hour Marvel marathon (http://www.astortheatre.net.au/films/marvel-studios-the-first-10-years-48-hour-movie-marathon) and it is only $AUS65 ($US47) for the whole lot. It is a question of how to plan your sleep film. I have done multiple 24-hour marathons and you do not need to sleep, but 48, not going to make it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 24, 2018, 09:09:54 PM
Has Daniel Day Lewis ever played a likeable character?
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Post by: Junior on November 24, 2018, 10:40:08 PM
Last of the Mohicans?
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Post by: smirnoff on November 24, 2018, 10:47:25 PM
Mmm, yes. Better than anything I came up with.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on November 24, 2018, 10:49:29 PM
Lincoln is pretty likable.
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Post by: Junior on November 25, 2018, 06:23:49 AM
That's a good call too. A bit of a know-it-all, but a likable one.
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Post by: philip918 on November 26, 2018, 10:41:51 AM
It feels like Black Panther came out three years ago. 2018, man...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 30, 2018, 09:56:54 AM
As I'm heading out the door, I'm struck by this thought.

Do the six stories in Buster Scruggs equate to the Six Stages of Grief? Is that why each story ends in a death, each one dealt with in a different way.

Shock
Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on November 30, 2018, 10:26:57 AM
I buy that.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on November 30, 2018, 11:49:51 AM
It's a neat idea. You should write an essay.
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Post by: oldkid on December 01, 2018, 11:48:23 AM
I think the Coens would find that idea fascinating.
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Post by: philip918 on December 01, 2018, 12:24:00 PM
I like that idea, though I'm not sure I find Meal Ticket to be particularly angry nor All Gold Canyon to have much bargaining.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on December 01, 2018, 02:08:05 PM
I like that idea, though I'm not sure I find Meal Ticket to be particularly angry nor All Gold Canyon to have much bargaining.

It took me a minute to realize that anger (the seething, not necessarily obviously manifested kind) was the animating force in "Meal Ticket," and if anything, bargaining is almost too on-the-nose for "All Gold Canyon."
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on December 01, 2018, 02:53:30 PM
Maybe I'm already miss-remembering All Gold Canyon. I thought Waits's character was digging in the hole, a shadow falls over him, and he's shot in the back. Must be forgetting an exchange that happened in the process.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 01, 2018, 06:42:43 PM
I think the Coens would find that idea fascinating.
I think the Coens would laugh to themselves at how far off the mark I am. Listening to the latest podcast I find each story may have all of the elements.


I like that idea, though I'm not sure I find Meal Ticket to be particularly angry nor All Gold Canyon to have much bargaining.
It's like Krzysztof Kieślowski's Dekalog where I can't find a direct connection between the two, but it gets there in a roundabout way. The angry person in Meal Ticket is The Artist. (I guess for this to work the emotion would have to match the person who dies.) We don't get a moment where The Artist gets angry at The Impresario and complains, fights any way he could. The Coens omit the actual moment, but from the last look and the way he looks at the chicken, it's obvious he isn't accepting of his fate and it's easy to assume he'd be pretty angry about the end of their arrangement.

"Let me do all the work and shoot me in the back."
Bargaining is a form of desperation in which the individual tries to make deals to regain what he has lost. He may bargain with God or to himself in order to try to reclaim a loved one. With Gold Canyon, The Prospector survives almost miraculously. Rather than die in the hole, he is able to make the Young Man replace him and get away with his gold. "Here's your share you measley skunk." He completes the bargain by throwing the young man in to take his place.

There's also the earlier scene where he bargains with the owl for some eggs. That owl appears towards the end, between a shot of the Prospector and a shot of the Young Man. I have to think the choice to cut to the bird that was previously miles away has some significance.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 10, 2018, 07:12:14 PM
Calling it now, The Greatest Showman is the 2018 film that will be most prominent in 20 years. Four different songs have featured over the three revue shows on my cruise. It may not be well regarded as a film but it has a mammoth broad cultural presence. Hugh Jackman is also doing a stadium tour with it. It would be malpractice for it not to go to Broadway.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on December 10, 2018, 07:24:56 PM
Calling it now, The Greatest Showman is the 2018 film that will be most prominent in 20 years. Four different songs have featured over the three revue shows on my cruise. It may not be well regarded as a film but it has a mammoth broad cultural presence. Hugh Jackman is also doing a stadium tour with it. It would be malpractice for it not to go to Broadway.

Ask and you shall receive

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/theatre-dance/news/greatest-showman-broadway-musical-live-stage-show-hugh-jackman-a8554011.html

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on December 10, 2018, 07:29:19 PM
I doubt anyone I know who isn't obsessed with movies knows what The Greatest Showman is, and I have never heard any song from it. That doesn't make you wrong in the long run, but let's just say I'm skeptical.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 10, 2018, 10:04:12 PM
Plus it opened wide in 2017.
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Post by: oldkid on December 13, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
And, hey, Donald Trump is a fan!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 16, 2018, 08:23:46 AM
Rewatched In Bruges last night and I didn't realize it took place over Christmas. Another unconventional Christmas film to add to the list.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on December 16, 2018, 09:03:46 AM
That's a good call. One thing I liked a lot about Into the Spiderverse is that it was a wintery Spider-Man movie. It's less of a break from the norm than some of the other stuff in the movie, but it was a nice change.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 18, 2018, 03:12:38 AM
Coes bros. should do a Dickens story. The way they cast their westerns and embrace the dialogue makes me think it would be a great fit for them.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on December 19, 2018, 12:38:57 PM
I hadn't even heard of Birds of Passage until the Oscar shortlist announcement. Officially my most anticipated of 2019. Hoping I can get my hands on a screener in the meantime. Embrace of the Serpent is one of my all-time favorite films.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on December 19, 2018, 08:38:04 PM
Supposedly there's finally a good Transformers movie, but it's about to be trounced at the box office by Aquaman and Mary Poppins.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 19, 2018, 09:28:29 PM
Cena always getting a raw deal, but at least it's not a RAW deal anymore, if you know what I'm driving at here.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on December 22, 2018, 03:55:20 AM
My 5 year old daughter saw this:
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOTA1MTY0MDYxMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTgwNzY5MTk2NjM@._V1_SY1000_CR0,0,674,1000_AL_.jpg)
poster and thought the bunnies were cute and so wanted to see the movie. We chose to dissuade her.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 01, 2019, 12:16:18 PM
In 2017 I had as a resolution to watch at least one female-directed film and one foreign-language film per week and tracked it. I met both goals.

In 2018 I didn't track things as I went and wasn't making a particular effort but was hoping certain habits would have stuck. Just went in and counted and I ended up watching 45 female-directed films and 25 foreign-language films.

Of course one qualification is my overall filmwatching went down from 234 films to 184 films so that's 50 less films to work from so I'd say that on the whole I've successfully embedded habits on the one but not so much on the other.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Monty on January 01, 2019, 12:46:42 PM
I'm just determined to watch more films this year, two or three a week would be nice. Hopefully the new job working from home will allow for more films. However going to the cinema is still problematic, with the nearest cinema a thirty minute bus ride away, add in a drink/bite to eat and the trailers, this makes for a long afternoon/evening, in which time I could've watch two movies at home ???
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on January 01, 2019, 02:41:21 PM
I didn't make any efforts to reach certain quotas, still, I'm a bit surprised that I'm slightly below one-per-week with films by female directors in 2018.
312 feature films total, including revisits: 49 (16%) female-directed, 179 (57%) non-English.
91 films on my TYSF 2018 list: 22 (24%) female-directed, 38 (42%) non-English.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 01, 2019, 03:00:11 PM
2018 in Films
58 Titles
6 pre-'70s films
4 Female Directed
8 Foreign Films
7 Rewatches

Easily my worst year since getting into films.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on January 01, 2019, 04:50:35 PM
Didn’t track anything in 2018 but 2019 is a year of creating new habits. Not sure I will set specific goals as they are hard to achieve without buy in from another that I watch films with
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 02, 2019, 06:25:58 AM
2018 was a good year for me, I have been watching a lot of early shorts, and the for first time in ages saw more than 200 movies for the year. My breakdown by decade and feature/short is:

Decade    All        Features  Shorts
1870's202
1880's404
1890's1090109
1900's59059
1910's19019
1920's23419
1930's20515
1940's31229
1950's25520
1960's27522
1970's401624
1980's301515
1990's28919
2000's452619
2010's1291218
Total591208383

In terms of countries, the features were for 21 different countries and 23 different countries for the shorts. Overall 34 different countries. About 18% (37) of the features were not in English. More than half the shorts were silent and most were very very short.

16 (7.7% of features) re-watches, which is low as the kids like to re-watch movies.

Must track director gender for this year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 02, 2019, 02:05:34 PM
In 2017 I had as a resolution to watch at least one female-directed film and one foreign-language film per week and tracked it. I met both goals.

Go see Capernaum and start 2019 off on the right foot with both those goals.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 02, 2019, 02:37:35 PM
As a Labaki stan I certainly will if it opens here. Though having joined AMC A-List I may get blinders on where other theaters are involved. I do get If Beale Could Talk this weekend.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 03, 2019, 12:05:08 AM
Feels like I don't see Clive Owen as much as I used to. What would be a perfect Clive Owen sort of role at this moment?

I hope he avoids going down the Old-Man-Action-Hero road as he approaches that age.

Can we get him in a courtroom? With yelling?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 03, 2019, 12:54:26 AM
Feels like I don't see Clive Owen as much as I used to. What would be a perfect Clive Owen sort of role at this moment?
Marvel villain. (Or someone in a Fantastic Beasts film.)

The guy in a Jurassic World film who thinks he's smarter than the dinosaurs.

A replacement for Alec Baldwin in the next Mission: Impossible film.

Rey's father in Star Wars

The guy in A Quiet Place 2 who's been surviving by running really loud generators around his gas station compound. He's lost some of his hearing and limps, but the most important thing is to keep refueling those generators.

The manager of whomever Creed fights in Creed III

The Mad King, Aerys II Targaryen, in a Game of Thrones prequel.

The voice of Scar in the upcoming Lion King remake?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 03, 2019, 01:00:03 AM
I like all of those ideas, but my favourite is the Creed III one. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 03, 2019, 05:36:44 AM
I saw Clive Owen in some advertisement recently and he looked different. Not older, just different.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 03, 2019, 07:40:05 AM
Can we have a mod pin the new 2019 movies seen threads? Thanks, don't want them to start to get buried.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 05, 2019, 01:28:33 PM
I saw Clive Owen in some advertisement recently and he looked different. Not older, just different.

Dude yes. That's the commercial I saw that put him back in my mind. But for sure something about how he looked was different. He leaned out a bit or something. Not saying it's bad, just that it caught my eye also.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on January 07, 2019, 10:27:50 PM
This would be a novel marathon:

Rock-a-Bye Baby (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052141/)
In the Treetops (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3256252/)
When the Wind Blows (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090315/)
Cradle Will Rock (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150216/)
When the Bough Breaks (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1389139/)
The Cradle Will Fall (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416665/)
Down Will Come Baby (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191972/)
Cradle and All (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3342684/)

Okay, so the last one is a short no one has seen, but still it's interesting that almost the entire lullaby has been represented in movie titles.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on January 08, 2019, 02:24:45 AM
This would be a novel marathon:

Rock-a-Bye Baby (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052141/)
In the Treetops (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3256252/)
When the Wind Blows (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090315/)
Cradle Will Rock (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150216/)
When the Bough Breaks (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1389139/)
The Cradle Will Fall (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416665/)
Down Will Come Baby (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191972/)
Cradle and All (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3342684/)

Okay, so the last one is a short no one has seen, but still it's interesting that almost the entire lullaby has been represented in movie titles.

I really want to do this.  What a crazy idea
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 08, 2019, 04:35:44 AM
This would be a novel marathon:

Rock-a-Bye Baby (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0052141/)
In the Treetops (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3256252/)
When the Wind Blows (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090315/)
Cradle Will Rock (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150216/)
When the Bough Breaks (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1389139/)
The Cradle Will Fall (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0416665/)
Down Will Come Baby (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0191972/)
Cradle and All (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3342684/)

Okay, so the last one is a short no one has seen, but still it's interesting that almost the entire lullaby has been represented in movie titles.

Is it the new baby that prompted this idea or something else?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: roujin on January 08, 2019, 08:37:03 AM
You will have one of the best 20 movies ever made in that bunch.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on January 08, 2019, 08:46:54 AM
Is it the new baby that prompted this idea or something else?

Yep, I've been singing Rock-a-Bye Baby to him.

You will have one of the best 20 movies ever made in that bunch.

The only one I've seen is When the Wind Blows. I was a huge fan of it in college (and I'm sure it helped feed my nuclear nightmares at the time), but I haven't seen it in ages. I can only assume you're referring to the Jerry Lewis one.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 10, 2019, 03:48:57 PM
Does anyone know of any January release films that have won Oscars? Or what the earliest in the year to be released film is that went on to win best picture? That sentence sucks and I don't know how to fix it. :))
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 10, 2019, 03:50:21 PM
I know Silence of the Lambs was an early release. February 14 wide release in 1991.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 10, 2019, 03:59:12 PM
I know Silence of the Lambs was an early release. February 14 wide release in 1991.

Wow that's very early!

I wonder, has end-of-year stacking always been a thing, or was there an era when gaming the system for awards purposes became a trend. It's for sure been going on longer than I've been aware of it... but I feel like there was a time when it was not such an open secret.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 10, 2019, 05:39:03 PM
City of God was released in Jan. 2003 and 12 months later was nominated for 4 Oscars. I took that as a sign of its quality.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on January 10, 2019, 05:44:36 PM
Get Out was February of that year, right? Didn't win BP but did win OS.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 10, 2019, 06:01:48 PM
I like these stories.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 15, 2019, 12:54:10 AM
Dante's Peak is one of the most amusing catastrophe films of the 90's. It is very good at making you laugh at inappropriate moments. Like when the Grandma jumps in the acid lake (but you kind of enjoy it because she was super annoying before hand), or this terrible (or great) use of a wilhelm scream (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1EsCWrUY84&t=1m23s#no). lol
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 15, 2019, 01:52:10 AM
I always preferred Volcano, which has a more knowing sense of humor as opposed to Peak's unintentionally funny moments. Tommy Lee Jones' deadpan style balances the campy "volcano-in-L.A." action, and director Mick Jackson can deliver genuinely thrilling scenes.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 15, 2019, 01:59:44 AM
Yea, my memory of Volcano is that it's better as well. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on January 16, 2019, 07:43:04 PM
Does anyone know of any January release films that have won Oscars? Or what the earliest in the year to be released film is that went on to win best picture? That sentence sucks and I don't know how to fix it. :))

Could be Black Panther if ASiB continues to rack up Ls, The Fav is deemed too out there, and if the Academy is too afraid to just toss it to Broma since it's not in English, is black and white, and doesn't have the wide appeal of Marvel. Also, it's a boring film.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 17, 2019, 07:20:00 AM
Does anyone know of any January release films that have won Oscars? Or what the earliest in the year to be released film is that went on to win best picture? That sentence sucks and I don't know how to fix it. :))

Could be Black Panther if ASiB continues to rack up Ls, The Fav is deemed too out there, and if the Academy is too afraid to just toss it to Broma since it's not in English, is black and white, and doesn't have the wide appeal of Marvel. Also, it's a boring film.

I thought Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody were the frontrunners now...  ::)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 17, 2019, 02:01:17 PM
I should cross 3,000 lifetime movies seen sometime this year. Tonight's screening of Stan & Ollie will mark 2,863. So that'll be a fun milestone.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on January 17, 2019, 02:33:20 PM
I should cross 3,000 lifetime movies seen sometime this year. Tonight's screening of Stan & Ollie will mark 2,863. So that'll be a fun milestone.

According to Letterboxd I'm at 2,708. Doubt I'll get to 3,000, but it sure is a worthy goal!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on January 19, 2019, 04:46:28 PM
Does anyone know of any January release films that have won Oscars? Or what the earliest in the year to be released film is that went on to win best picture? That sentence sucks and I don't know how to fix it. :))

Could be Black Panther if ASiB continues to rack up Ls, The Fav is deemed too out there, and if the Academy is too afraid to just toss it to Broma since it's not in English, is black and white, and doesn't have the wide appeal of Marvel. Also, it's a boring film.

I thought Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody were the frontrunners now...  ::)

I feel like BR might (hopefully) just pull votes away from ASiB. Green Book could make noise, but that movie blows hard.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on January 22, 2019, 03:52:49 AM
The 42nd Göteborg Film Festival (https://goteborgfilmfestival.se/en/) begins this weekend. Gone are the days when we were viewing multiple films day after day. We have settled for a lazy one movie per evening schedule:
List at Letterboxd (https://letterboxd.com/lennart/list/gff-2019/).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on January 23, 2019, 02:46:30 PM
It's a good thing the Oscar noms suck this year. Nowhere to go but up for the Filmspots!

I'm still catching up on 2018 films, but I'm sort of wondering whether the nominations rather reflect the quality of this year's crop of movies.

Realistically (e.g., keeping in mind the limitations of Oscar voters in nominating 'obscure' films for Best Picture), what would an ideal slate of 8-9 nominees have looked like?

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 23, 2019, 04:44:29 PM
The Rider
If Beale Street Could Talk
Eighth Grade
First Man
Widows
Leave No Trace
Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse

These are films which immediately come to mind as being better than like half the actual nominees.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 23, 2019, 05:07:28 PM
While my dislike of The Rider doesn’t make me deaf to the acclaim, it’s a very niche film much like Burning and Shoplifters. I’m guessing your list is all alternate selections because Roma, Star is Born and Favourite were locks.

I expected Hereditary to be in there for Actress. Perhaps Screenplay.
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Post by: Corndog on January 23, 2019, 05:28:03 PM
I was more referring to Green Book, Vice and Bohemian Rhapsody as the weakest nominees.
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Post by: Bondo on January 23, 2019, 07:56:24 PM
Well, I have six of the eight nominees in my top 15, so I guess I’m less bothered than most. Not a lot of Oscar-style films in that list that got snubbed.
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Post by: philip918 on January 23, 2019, 08:15:42 PM
The Oscar noms are very in line with what one would expect. Realistically, I would have loved to see Beale Street, Leave No Trace, and Widows get noms instead of Green Book, Vice, and Bohemian Rhapsody.
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Post by: don s. on January 24, 2019, 12:12:03 AM
Well, I have six of the eight nominees in my top 15, so I guess I’m less bothered than most.

I'm whittling down a list of 34 films, and only one of them was nominated for Best Picture. Though that one could end up as my No. 1.

(Full disclosure: I haven't seen A Star Is Born or Green Book.)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 24, 2019, 07:03:45 AM
The Oscars are wrong takes on Twitter are fun.

Three in particular I saw people call out are
The Artist > The Tree of Life
Shakespeare in Love > Saving Private Ryan/The Thin Red Line
Bohemian Rhapsody > Sorry To Bother You

Of course what these have in common is I agree with the Academy. Like, everyone is entitled to their opinion on what is better, but there is a real condescension to all the Oscars are bad takes based on how obvious they find the errors. They seem to generally boil down to the feeling that trying harder is automatically better.

As a secondary point, I wonder how much the awards pool of films is guided by nomination campaigns. Like, it is fine for me to have Blindspotting, I, Daniel Blake and Princess Cyd in my top-5, but my top film lists are organic from what I'm watching. Oscar voters to a larger degree are picking from what is given to them...which films are backed as being awards-worthy. My feeling is the three I mention were not given any particular push. It would be interesting to spend a year in an Oscar voter's shoes and see what my list would look like limited to that environment of screeners and marketing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 24, 2019, 08:08:14 AM
You say fun, I say obnoxious. I grow really tired of the absurdity of it all. People who want to dismiss the Oscars only show that they give the thing much more importance than it should have, or rather, they make it about "the best movies of the year" rather than what it is, which is simply "the movies the Hollywood industry wants to highlight". Now, there is room for plenty of controversy there: should Bohemian Rhapsody as a film be celebrated, considering who directed it ? That's worth discussing. But "OMG Bohemian Rhapsody and Vice are terrible and Ethan Hawke is a living god because he said superhero movies are bad and the Oscars are terrible for not nominating him" is so completely beside the point that I just grow tired of it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 24, 2019, 10:29:17 AM
TBF, Bryan Singer didn’t actually direct Bohemian Rhapsody. He was fired.

Anyway, I meant “fun.”
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Post by: philip918 on January 24, 2019, 11:42:37 AM
TBF, Bryan Singer didn’t actually direct Bohemian Rhapsody. He was fired.

Anyway, I meant “fun.”

Singer directed all but the last two weeks of filming. Principal photography began in September 2017 and he was fired in December. It is very much his movie.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 24, 2019, 01:49:57 PM
TBF, Bryan Singer didn’t actually direct Bohemian Rhapsody. He was fired.

Anyway, I meant “fun.”

Like the band ?

 ;D
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 24, 2019, 06:05:54 PM
It would be interesting to spend a year in an Oscar voter's shoes and see what my list would look like limited to that environment of screeners and marketing.
Bondo just described The Bad Place.
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Post by: Bondo on January 24, 2019, 07:05:09 PM
Probably  ;D
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Post by: philip918 on January 25, 2019, 08:32:22 PM
Christopher Nolan should make a sequel to Memento called Memento.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 27, 2019, 02:33:36 PM
There seem to be two trends in identity critique in film and television. The first (see Girls Season 1) says shows need to diversify, which I agree with. The second (see Green Book) says that white people should not be telling POC stories. I'm just now sure how to square that circle. I'm all about social critique, but if the result is a no win situation, I'm not sure that helps anyone.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on January 27, 2019, 02:43:10 PM
… white people should not be telling POC stories.…

Keeping in mind that I haven't seen Green Book (so feel free to stop reading now), I think one can make a good-faith distinction between POC stories and POC-adjacent stories about white people. Who actually tells the story is immaterial to this particular distinction.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: tinyholidays on January 27, 2019, 02:45:58 PM
How is the result a no-win situation?

The more diversity, the better. But the best way to encourage diversity on screen is to support underrepresented filmmakers.

The problem that I see in both the Girls and Green Book examples is dishonest representation. Girls shows a Brooklyn only made of white people, and Green Book is built on the idea of forgiving white people for their racism if they can see one extraordinary black person as human. It's a film about race made to allow white audiences to feel good about themselves.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 27, 2019, 03:29:01 PM
I don’t agree with that interpretation of Green Book (my review covers why). But the broader point is they are at the same time saying for a specific creator to include POC roles but also to not have POC roles because they cannot speak to the experience, which are mutually exclusive. I absolutely agree with diversifying in all aspects of film-making but that’s a separate issue from how a white person should approach a work they are helming.

Of course maybe I’m reacting less to mainstream critique as radical critique that verges on straw man. I’m thinking Viggo’s hamhanded defense of Farrelly even having the right to make the movie on some round table or someone on Twitter basically saying because many POC critics have issues with it, liking or seeing other interpretations of Green Book is racist or something.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 27, 2019, 03:38:24 PM
I'd say the Green Book thing (about it being a way to make white people feel good about racism) is overblown... except for that scene with the cop at the end. That's incredibly tone-deaf, at the very least.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 27, 2019, 03:42:34 PM
I'd recommend reading James Baldwin's The Devil Finds Work for a lot of great examples of how just because black people are represented in a movie does not mean that the representation of black people is a fair one, which I think is what most of these critics are saying about films like Green Book.

It's what I call the whole white guilt genre (Driving Miss Daisy, The Blind Side, The Green Mile, etc...) where black people mainly exist to develop and mature the white protagonists and are shown as supernaturally kind and forgiving instead of righteously angry at their plight in life.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on February 02, 2019, 01:00:21 AM
Most definitely agree with that, for me Green Book was a film that seemed like it was made for your racist, but not too racist, parents/grandparents who can then feel good that they understand racism and finally fixed it in our post-racial society or some other shit. Also a healthy dose of laughing at Italian American stereotypes.

That said, Girls can be seen as showing how, in such a major city, it's easy to still be isolated and contained to your very specific group. It's not like the show is devoid of people of color, but the main cast is, which I think does speak to how insular groups of friends can be. Not that I think it's intending to directly comment on that, but I also feel like it's not trying to do the opposite either. I've only been in NYC a few times and not lived there, nor have I lived in a major city, but I think its representation of the city is fine and doesn't erase existence, it just reflects how a lot of people live their lives. I mean the very first episode ends with a person of color playing the saxophone. Now is that a bad representation? That I can see a case for, especially in a larger context, but, even though I heard a bunch during its run how Girls was so 'white focused' it never seemed to me like it was something it was doing maliciously or pretending people of color didn't exist.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on February 02, 2019, 05:14:16 AM
I think it's quite unfair to say Green Book wants to "solve racism". The film does not seem ambitious at all to me, and I think people are projecting past grievances with other films of its ilk on it... I mean I do think it's a problematic film in many ways (also, not a very good one), but it seems that many are using talking points rather than actually engaging with it - in a similar way to what happened with Three Billboards next year.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on February 02, 2019, 10:28:26 AM
I imagine there is a fair bit of confirmation bias. If you watch the film looking for racism in its construction, you will find it. If you watch it looking for anti-racist messaging, you'll find those too. I imagine my own viewing was shaped by going into it aware of the controversy, testing that against the null hypothesis of "not racist" and I didn't find the racism statistically significant. Unlike the Governor of Virginia's medical school yearbook photo, reasonable minds can differ on Green Book.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on February 02, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
I give a lot more weight to black film critics' perspectives, but maybe that's not "statistically significant."

 Monique Judge for The Root (https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/green-book-has-great-acting-a-misleading-title-and-pa-1830572839)

Candice Frederick for Slashfilm (https://www.slashfilm.com/green-book-whitewashing/)

Brooke Obie for Shadow and Act (https://shadowandact.com/green-book-film-review-white-savior)

K. Austin Collins for Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/12/truth-about-green-book-viggo-mortensen-mahershala-ali)

 Wesley Morris (https://twitter.com/Wesley_Morris/status/1065365977750212608?s=20)

even Armond White (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/11/movie-review-green-book-self-congratulatory-race-play/)
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Post by: Bondo on February 02, 2019, 05:58:58 PM
Their perspectives are vital, and I am enriched reading them and seeing certain elements that I agree the film did very poorly, especially as it relates to Tony helping Shirley discover his blackness. But what all of these reviews completely miss, from my interpretation, is, far from saying racism is solved, the film's attempt to speak to the modern dynamic of racism. Even after Tony gets past his overt racism at the start of the film (and actual exposure to people who are different is a massive factor in overcoming prejudice, even if we roll our eyes at it), he still very much displays the white resentment of this cultured, wealthy black man that is the heart of the current blue-collar white Republican base. And certainly the racism as depicted is far less catastrophic as how it was at the time, but I think that is because it is trying to be more modern and speak to white privilege by showing how the totality of smaller incidents (micro-aggressions in modern parlance, though these obviously are well beyond that) create a massive cultural racism. This aspect, along with just being a well acted, effective piece of dramatic entertainment, is what makes me think there is more to credit it than many critics have granted.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on February 20, 2019, 10:22:44 PM
I swear the Coen bros could direct a remake of the tenth episode of the Dekalog and you'd think they came up with the idea. It feels like them tonally and topically.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on February 24, 2019, 02:08:14 PM
I swear the Coen bros could direct a remake of the tenth episode of the Dekalog and you'd think they came up with the idea. It feels like them tonally and topically.

Seems not dissimilar to another random thought (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14228.msg895543;topicseen#msg895543).

litotes
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on March 03, 2019, 04:43:03 AM
Does Hollywood actually think that these movies that have entirely CGI sets look good or are exciting? I haven't seen a scene that was shot entirely on a green screen that looked good since Sin City. I'd much rather see really intricate miniatures.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 03, 2019, 09:53:16 AM
Curious what inspired that post. The actual answer is difficult because done properly CGI sets can add a level of detail actual locations can't match, either in scope or budget. It seems like you're referring to films where the sets are entirely CG, and on that score I have to mention...
Avatar
Gravity
300
The Jungle Book
Watchmen
TRON: Legacy
Speed Racer

All of those films came out after Sin City and all of them - quality of the overall film aside - have a unique, visually exciting look.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on March 03, 2019, 11:33:14 AM
I was thinking Alita inspired it?
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Post by: Beavermoose on March 03, 2019, 03:12:56 PM
I was thinking Alita inspired it?
Yeah, and I was watching the New Fantastic Beasts movie as well for some reason.

The character CGI in Alita is amazing and then we cut to a overhead shot of the city and it just looks awful.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 03, 2019, 03:15:14 PM
Though not as bad as the underground railroad in Black Panther.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on March 03, 2019, 06:26:19 PM
Does Hollywood actually think that these movies that have entirely CGI sets look good or are exciting?

When people go and spend money, then they think people must love what they delivered. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on March 11, 2019, 02:36:33 PM
I find GoT CGI to definitely add to the experience.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on March 11, 2019, 04:43:20 PM
I think GoT mostly uses CGI combined with actual sets or locations. Not entirely green screen sets.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 12, 2019, 12:40:39 AM
Brie Larson completed filming on Avengers: Endgame before starting on Captain Marvel. Curious to see the her performance is different under the Russo Brothers and as part of an ensemble.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on March 12, 2019, 07:33:11 AM
I have now seen 2 2019 films at the cinema and 2 on Netflix. My first 2019 film this year was on the 24th Feb, which is about typical for a year for me these days. Query for any who wish to answer. When is the usual time you see your first film released that year (not released in your country, released year as per IMDB). Side question do you think it is earlier or later because of the country you live in. So I think mine is a little later as being in Australia which does not have a large feature film output and we can still wait a while for international releases, it makes it harder to see them earlier. That said it would only be about 2 weeks or less earlier, if we had a bigger film output.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on March 12, 2019, 08:28:01 AM
Let's see, this years it was pretty early: Glass on January 17
Last year it was a A Futile and Stupid Gesture on February 15
In 2017 it was The Lego Batman Movie on February 12
In 2016 it was Mon maître d'école (a bad, treacly documentary) on January 24

So late January to mid-February for me. Obviously, the lesser your local film industry is (in terms of quantity I mean), the later it's going to be. I think big name arthouse films in France tend to avoid January/February because it's basically all Oscar films dominating the attention on that side of things (films that were released this January/February include The Favourite, Green Book, Vice, If Beale Street Could Talk, The Mule etc.).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on March 12, 2019, 09:50:01 AM
I think GoT mostly uses CGI combined with actual sets or locations. Not entirely green screen sets.

It is known.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 12, 2019, 05:45:41 PM
Watching Captain Marvel, it struck me how generally unenjoyable I find the action bits of Marvel Studios films. Are there sequences people particularly love among these films because besides the psychedelic oddity of Doctor Strange, I honestly forgot most of the action beats of every Marvel studios movie I've seen.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 12, 2019, 05:58:33 PM
Do the Guardians movies count, because I enjoy the action bits in those movies.
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Post by: 1SO on March 12, 2019, 08:44:03 PM
I get the point you're making. There's a particular stunt team Marvel is partial to using, and you have to do some serious cross-referencing to find the main crew, but you can start with Coordinator James M. Churchman and Fight Coordinator Sam Hargrave. Hargrave is also responsible for Deadpool 2 and this Chinese action blockbuster called Wolf Warrior II. (I found that last one because the stunt double for Black Widow (Heidi Moneymaker) is prominently featured and her skills stood out to me as several steps above the usual.

There are Marvel films where it seems the Director tied the action into the overall vision of the film. I first thought of Guardians and Thor: Ragnarok. Ragnarok Stunt Coordinator Ben Cooke comes from the films of James Bond and Jason Bourne. Thomas Robinson Harper (Stunt Coordinator) and Andy Gill (2nd Unit Stunt Coordinator) have some of the best credits with the Guardians films and Captain America Winter Soldier and Civil War. While Guardians has the most visually stylish action the first two-thirds of Winter Soldier are the best action in the MCU.
The assault on the tanker ship
Attacking Nick Fury in the street
Cap fighting in the elevator and escaping SHIELD
The street battle between Cap, Black Widow, Falcon and Winter Soldier

The finale isn't as big a step down as the finale of Spider-Man: Homecoming. That's a film like Captain Marvel where I can imagine the director being nowhere around for the action scenes, but some of the ones in there - like the one inside the Washington Monument - come off just fine, while Captain Marvel ranges from okay but forgettable to "I can't tell what's happening." The editing of the fight towards the end also cuts against the song selection, which is just poor.


Also worth mentioning that the Airport Battle in Civil War is one of the most memorable action sequences, but it works mostly as a comedy scene.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on March 12, 2019, 08:46:05 PM
I think the end of The Avengers is pretty good. The Thor-Hulk fight in Ragnarok is fun, and the fistfight at the end of Civil War is intense.
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Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 13, 2019, 09:10:12 AM
I guess Guardians does tend to break the mold with some fun action sequences that play a lot off the character's personalities. I thought someone might bring up Winter Soldier and the end of Avengers, both of which didn't particularly work for me. That being said, I do like the elevator fight in Winter Soldier. I enjoyed a lot of Ragnarok, but honestly don't remember much of the action scenes beyond the joke parts.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 14, 2019, 01:44:42 AM
This just posted.

Why Do Marvel Movies Have Such Bad Action Scenes? (https://screencrush.com/why-do-marvel-movies-have-such-bad-action-scenes/)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 14, 2019, 08:16:56 AM
I really need to get into freelancing.  ;)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on March 14, 2019, 09:06:25 PM
I feel like the forum is being probed.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on March 14, 2019, 09:20:48 PM
Illuminati confirmed.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on March 15, 2019, 03:53:33 AM
I feel like the forum is being probed.

I feel a Cartman comment would not be appropriate in this PG rated forum.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on March 30, 2019, 03:42:10 PM
Why is no one talking about Korine????????????
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on March 30, 2019, 04:51:53 PM
The Beach Bum does not even have a release date in Australia. Based on the trailer, it looks like a Hunter S Thompson character film.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on March 30, 2019, 09:02:46 PM
Why is no one talking about Korine????????????

Somehow I have no idea he has a new film out.. thank you FLY!

But.. not only doesn’t it have a release date in Singapore, it doesn’t seem to be released anywhere in Asia. But there is a chance that it gets a private screening so I will look out for it
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on March 31, 2019, 03:41:08 PM
Remember when Tim Burton came out and said that black people don’t fit in with the “aesthetic" of his films? Remember when Woody Allen said he would never cast a black actor unless it was "required?" Ridley Scott once said he wouldn't ever be able to get approval to mount a major motion picture or ever receive financing to make a film starring someone named "Mohammed so-and-so from such-and-such." Y'all want to be mad at Jordan Peele for saying he's not interested in telling white stories when your faves have been deliberately, openly excluding black people from participating in their work since the beginning of film history and y'all haven't had shit to say. One director saying he's focusing on telling black stories and using black actors isn't oppressive to white people. "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."-Franklin Leonard
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 31, 2019, 03:48:51 PM
I just want a better representation of gnarly bearded men in my cinema. I don't care what skin color.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on March 31, 2019, 03:54:34 PM
That quote is so confusing, not because I disagree with what he's saying but because I find it hard to believe there are people worth responding to who are mad that Jordan Peele doesn't want to tell white stories. Who are these people?

Also I didn't know Burton or Allen said those things, though upon reflection neither sounds particularly surprising. I can't picture what a meaningful role for a black role in a Woody Allen film would look like, but a non-white person could absolutely fit in Burton's aesthetic.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on March 31, 2019, 04:26:21 PM
There are 2 (two!) black people in Dumbo. Maybe to atone for Jim Crow in the original?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on March 31, 2019, 05:43:28 PM
I think there were three crows in the original though.

EDIT: Though after two films, Peele just needs to be better about telling stories. He seems to have a handle on the ideas part, but actually threading them in with plotting is where there's a good deal of room for improvement.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on April 02, 2019, 09:12:04 PM
Smdh at the AMC app and the Fandango app. Those things were so CINECAST!ed today, it's looking like FLY lucked out by having taken that Friday off months ago for a weekend 35k mile thing for my car, because it seems like I'll be up bright and early on the 26th for the rare 8am screening of Endgame.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on April 02, 2019, 10:40:06 PM
Spoilers: I bet they beat Thanos and find a way to bring everyone back so they can keep making money on more Marvel films.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 02, 2019, 11:33:05 PM
A. Most people made a similar prediction last year.

B. I'm thrilled to be living in the time period where we have to go almost a whole year with our heroes defeated. It's something that won't be duplicated in the near future, when someone can watch Infinity War and then go immediately to Endgame. It's been like a pop culture version of the Before Trilogy, and I admire Marvel for sustaining to defeat to where it's had time to settle in and I'm now looking forward to seeing the Avengers live up to their name. Meanwhile, we've been given over time revelations about characters who survived the Snap (Valkyrie) or didn't (Shuri).

I'm pretty sure I know how it ends too, but I'm excited to watch it unfold.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on April 03, 2019, 09:57:31 AM
We'll have the chance to watch Endgame on the ship, but since we haven't seen Infinity War I doubt we'll bother (besides, I'm guessing their theater seats aren't built for people of size).
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Post by: oldkid on April 03, 2019, 11:24:15 AM
It's been like a pop culture version of the Before Trilogy,

Or like a Marvel version of the original Star Wars trilogy.  Which we had to wait three years between the second and third installments.  Sure, we knew that Luke and Leia and Han would come out on top, but the wait was torturous, with many theories.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on April 03, 2019, 08:53:45 PM
CINECAST! the AMC and Fandango apps.

Kind of excited to see a film so early in the morning, but also more pissed I'm not going to be there at 6pm on Thursday.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on April 05, 2019, 09:29:24 PM
Hadn't even heard of this film and still haven't watched the trailer, but wondering if the end of the year will come down to The Beach Bum vs. Teen Spirit for FLY, and if he truly is that predictable. #TeamElle sings Robyn and Ellie G!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 07, 2019, 09:55:22 PM
Do you think films will be distributed on a physical medium after discs or is this the last format which a person will be able to physically collect?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on April 08, 2019, 07:28:16 AM
What a fascinating question. I have no idea, but it definitely seems like everything is moving to streaming in some fashion.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on April 08, 2019, 04:50:49 PM
All the more reason I want to retain my favorite films in physical form.  I’d rather not have my movie-watching relying on the whims of what is considered profitable at any given time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on April 08, 2019, 06:08:16 PM
I like abandoning the physical medium in theory because it's stuff you have to store and tote, but ownership becomes very contingent without it. I think it is Nintendo with the Wii where they stopped supporting some of the digital download type things and thus people lost what they had paid for. Ultraviolet recently closed, though all my digital copies through them are registered with Vudu, but if Vudu went under I'd be out about 10 films (though in that case I believe all backed up). Amazon in particular I have a few movies without physical backup. Admittedly the odds of Amazon going out of business or reneging on the cloud ownership are low in the near to mid term, there's always that risk.

Or I bought Radiohead's pay what you want album, had a hard drive crash, and lost it. Contra stuff purchased from Apple (or Amazon) there is no cloud backup and they no longer have that album offered under that model so I can't go back and get it. Recovering from the cloud services was easy and recovering from my physical CDs was possible, though very not fun. Less possible now that I lack a CD-ROM player...probably should ditch all my CDs soon.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on April 08, 2019, 07:43:33 PM
Do you think films will be distributed on a physical medium after discs or is this the last format which a person will be able to physically collect?

I am doubting a new physical format surfaces outside of the disc. I do own a 4k player and a few discs but there are not too many I buy these days. I still prefer the discs for slightly better quality when it comes to audio codecs used. But the difference is hardly going to justify the extra investment in a lot of cases if the same film can be streamed from Netflix.  Further improvements in TV resolution and physical medium would seem more about trying to force an additional upgrade cycle for more spending. But each round gets smaller and smaller, will they release an 8k player and discs after a pretty dismal showing when it came to 4k UHD? 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on April 08, 2019, 08:06:48 PM
The picture quality on 4k discs is still Superior to streaming. Even if the stream is 4k, the bitrate is likely to be so low that it'll still end up chunky on action scenes.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on April 08, 2019, 08:32:04 PM
I remain in the camp that unless the stream is notably poor, there is a point at which improvements are irrelevant because they are largely imperceptible. This is why I don't spend on top of the line tech or media and don't pay for HD versions of digital content.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on April 08, 2019, 08:57:37 PM
The picture quality on 4k discs is still Superior to streaming. Even if the stream is 4k, the bitrate is likely to be so low that it'll still end up chunky on action scenes.

Yes, I do tend to agree that the picture can be slightly superior as well though the differences are getting difficult to justify the costs differences. I have yet to 4k Streaming to by "chunky" on action scenes on Netflix though. By Chucky, do you mean you get some blurring? I do have Amazon prime but hardly used it for Streaming but Netflix usually don't give me any issues on any content. I am not sure if Netflix streams from local sources or if it comes from servers in the US but it almost always is flawless. But I do have a very fast connection as I have fiber directly into my home. I wish Nvidia supported Atmos for Netflix as I am not wanting to buy an AppleTV to get the proper audio mix just for Netflix titles that support it
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 10, 2019, 01:30:38 PM
I would love to see Clancy Brown and JK Simmons in a scene together.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on April 10, 2019, 02:35:16 PM
Lots of Animation together. (https://www.imdb.com/search/title?roles=nm0000317,nm0799777&title_type=feature,tv_episode,video,tv_movie,tv_special,mini_series,documentary,game,short)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 10, 2019, 03:27:01 PM
Cool search! It reminds me of Edward James Olmos & Patrick Stewart scenes in Nausicaa of the Valley... two iconic sci-fi ship captains. So cool! :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 11, 2019, 08:03:45 PM
Are there any actors over 60 who you feel like their best performances are still to come?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 11, 2019, 08:44:33 PM
Michael Keaton is in a great place now. He's been better in the past 5 years than during the 80s and 90s.
Bill Nighy has a similar acting style, but within that he's given some great performances.
I'd also say that Andy Garcia has improved a lot in this century. Don't know if he'll get a chance, but he has potential.

With Another Year and Phantom Thread, Lesley Manville is certainly one to watch.
Sigourney Weaver isn't done. I can feel it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on April 11, 2019, 09:09:27 PM
For what it’s worth, Keaton’s performance in Dumbo is one of his very worst.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 11, 2019, 09:25:26 PM
But it's the kind of bad performance you get from an actor who's trying and not just Bruce Willising it. Maybe if he had a director to guide him.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on April 11, 2019, 09:41:33 PM
I was gonna say Tom Cruise will be mighty interesting to watch once he can't do action stuff anymore. He's 56 now, just signed in to do 2 more M:I movies, but after that he's gonna be wide open. More Magnolia/Eyes Wide Shut stuff from him maybe?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 11, 2019, 09:58:10 PM
I like the answers so far.

More Magnolia/Eyes Wide Shut stuff from him maybe?
Here's hoping.

not just Bruce Willising it.
Yes! This kind of sums up the question. :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on April 18, 2019, 07:58:52 PM
Where are the hot Cannes takes?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 22, 2019, 12:14:07 AM
There's a particular type of movie ending I'm becoming very fond of. It's where two characters that were in conflict for most of the picture share a benign activity. Usually this is a subtle way to indicate forgiveness or an understanding. Two characters that have been through a lot and are maybe not making peace, but reaching an understanding that things between them will turn out okay. Usually there's no dialogue or something simple like, "you want some coffee?'

Is there a director who is perhaps known for creating this ending? I just watched it in Ozu's A Story of Floating Weeds (1934) and I was wondering if this was the first. It was a sharing of food, which reminded me of the greatest version of this (and the earliest one I can recall seeing) Big Night.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on April 22, 2019, 01:06:08 PM
I immediately thought of Big Night when I started reading your post.
Such an awesome ending, food, the greatest uniter.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on April 22, 2019, 09:11:59 PM
3:10 to Yuma (1957) is a terrific example of this. Checks every condition you laid out. The ending (or even the entire film) can be viewed on YouTube last time I checked.

It feels like you would find this type of ending in westerns to a higher degree than other genres.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on May 06, 2019, 09:46:26 PM
Weird that, for the first time in longer than I can remember, it looks like Spider-Man is doing a true midnight release. Only July 1st tickets I'm seeing are for 12:01am showings, rather than the usual 6 or 7pm night before.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on May 14, 2019, 09:27:18 PM
Been stalled with...other means as of late. Is there an above the board way to watch the new Chow?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: sdedalus on May 15, 2019, 09:02:52 AM
You could buy the bluray.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on May 17, 2019, 10:02:25 PM
You could buy the bluray.

Haven't done importing or anything before, is there region locking on Blus/does it have a stateside release? I'm on board with this, just haven't done a ton of Blu purchasing outside of the occasional Criterion.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: sdedalus on May 18, 2019, 08:37:49 AM
BluRays only have three regions, and North America is the same region as Asia, so any BluRay from Hong Kong, Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Thailand, etc will play with no problems in an American machine. Yesasia.com is a good, reliable source, though it can definitely be expensive. The New King of Comedy, for example, is $32.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on May 18, 2019, 04:19:42 PM
A bit steep, but thanks for the info, I'll likely end up picking it up, the original is one of/perhaps my favorite of the Chow I've seen.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on May 24, 2019, 04:33:54 PM
Anyone else appalled and even disgusted by the modern visual aesthetic of films like Dumbo and Aladdin? I slept through an hour of the latter last night, but the parts I saw were just ghastly in terms of their production values. I’d even lump Captain Marvel in with this group, too. These movies look like they were filmed on the the cheap on a cell phone and then gussied up with $200M of special effects. It depresses me.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on May 24, 2019, 05:33:32 PM
I had a good enough time with Aladdin, but I do agree on this front. Disney has gotten the Star Wars movies so right on the aesthetic front, but their Marvel movies are bland. The company is doing some good work in that department, they should study themselves.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on May 24, 2019, 05:56:22 PM
Anyone else appalled and even disgusted by the modern visual aesthetic of films like Dumbo and Aladdin? I slept through an hour of the latter last night, but the parts I saw were just ghastly in terms of their production values. I’d even lump Captain Marvel in with this group, too. These movies look like they were filmed on the the cheap on a cell phone and then gussied up with $200M of special effects. It depresses me.

pixote

All the time and across many genres. The new Terminator trailer looked especially hideous from the environments to laughable human movements.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on May 24, 2019, 05:58:04 PM
Honestly, big blockbusters look like so much hot garbage these days that I've kinda become used to how much of an eyesore it is to see a film in theaters.

Like the new Godzilla movie looks like it would be awesome to see on a big screen but it looks like every other darkly shot, CGI fest blockbuster we're getting these days.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on May 25, 2019, 01:36:58 AM
Tim Burton movies have looked ghastly for years, no matter the studio, though if any film has a worse aesthetic than his Alice in Wonderland it's the live action remake of Beauty and the Beast. Like Captain Marvel's directors clearly working separately from the 2nd Unit (action) director, I don't believe Bill Condon had any control over B&B's Art Direction, which needed serious pruning. (Kenneth Branagh's Cinderella was lavish, but in a scaled back way so that you could appreciate the touches.)

What's helped Disney stay above most (with exceptions) is the realistic blending of live action and effects. Starting with the scene in Winter Soldier where Captain America takes out a jet, I realized that anything was possible given the proper amount of time to make it real. That has only improved right up to the creation of Thanos, which looks like actual Josh Brolin wearing excellent make-up.

Compare that to Warner Bros. From the DC films - Shazam looks like a Power Rangers film - to The Crimes of JK Rowling, which defines hot garbage on a dark and/or stormy night. The effects look like a video game roadmapped over theater sets filmed with not enough lights, but a lot of post-production tinting. Mad Max: Fury Road was the exception for the studio and even they weren't expecting it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on May 25, 2019, 04:41:19 AM
If you haven’t seen Aladdin yet, you might need to edit that post thereafter.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on May 25, 2019, 06:16:10 AM
I said "with exceptions". I also need to edit it to include The Jungle Book, which is an Avatar level blend of actor in a special effects world.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on May 25, 2019, 07:31:02 AM
I think the thing here is no one in the real world cares about technical competence. They just want to watch their stories.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on May 25, 2019, 08:22:32 AM
I said "with exceptions". I also need to edit it to include The Jungle Book, which is an Avatar level blend of actor in a special effects world.

Yeah, I know, but I’m suggesting that Aladdin might push the balance towards the exceptions. The scenes of the characters riding the flying carpet represent Z-grade special effects.

Pull the string, pull the string.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on May 25, 2019, 06:28:11 PM
8 year olds, the target audience for most of these, can't really tell the difference between good and badly blended cgi.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on May 25, 2019, 11:55:47 PM
We need to defund 8 year olds.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StudentOFilm on June 02, 2019, 06:35:05 PM
I never knew that novelist William Gibson (Neuromancer) wrote a screenplay to Alien 3. Just saw that Audible has turned it into an audiobook/play thingy with Michael Biehn doing V.O.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on June 04, 2019, 12:44:18 AM
The straight-to-Netflix movie is this generation's straight-to-dvd/vhs movie.
But like with with a bigger range of budgets and occasionally with a famous director attached.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: goodguy on June 04, 2019, 09:53:09 AM
Definitely. For all the billions Netflix has spent so far to produce "content", I can name exactly one series and one movie I was excited about.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: roujin on June 04, 2019, 09:55:30 AM
It's all shit.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on June 04, 2019, 10:04:22 AM
I’m struggling to finish Revisions as we speak. Making a Murderer remains, by far, the best thing Netflix has been able to slap its brand on (besides those original red envelopes).

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on June 04, 2019, 10:10:19 AM
I'm a big fan of The Haunting of Hill House, Russian Doll, and I'm super pumped to get to When They See Us when I have the mental energy for it. They've got a good movie or two, especially in the horror genre. But the majority of it is kinda to very shitty.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on June 04, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
Netflix has been pretty good for docs and standup comedy. And I've liked a number of their shows (Nailed It, OITNB, Black Mirror, Somebody Feed Phil). True, most of their original content is of zero interest to me, but I'm glad they're in the game.

Having said that, I'm 4/6 of the way through Wild Wild Country and it's not that good as a documentary. It's very rambly and bloated. At this point I'm planning to finish it, but only because I've already invested so much time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on June 04, 2019, 05:02:54 PM
Terrace House.. It’s like MTV;S Real World but only in Japan and as if nothing actually ever got Real
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on June 04, 2019, 05:22:39 PM
That's been in my queue for a while, still need to check it out.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 04, 2019, 08:20:22 PM
I like how the one show stars Debbie Ryan, and I think one of the Ryan Murphy things will feature 2018's best actress Zoey Deutch. Also enjoyed 'Brina and really recommend On My Block, but I don't think anyone else aside from FLY will watch that show.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on June 04, 2019, 08:35:30 PM
Their shows are definitely better than their movies.

I've been watching Terrace House with my partner without shame.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on June 04, 2019, 09:09:28 PM
I really appreciated the following original Netflix content:
Sense8 (1st season)
Jessica Jones (1st season)
Atypical
Master of None
The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt (Two seasons)
Russian Doll
Making a Murderer

Not a great percentage, but perhaps I’ve watched  a few more times that.   Still, I’m glad this stuff is out there, as well as some of the items they’ve co-produced.

On the other hand, it makes me wonder whether it is worth me continuing to pay for the service.


Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on June 05, 2019, 12:40:06 PM
Netflix has some great stuff floating in its Great Pacific Garbage Patch of content:

American Vandal
Russian Doll
The End of the CINECAST!ing World
Sex Education
Wild, Wild Country
GLOW
Stranger Things
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on June 05, 2019, 01:24:12 PM
I always kinda zoom out when my wife starts browsing the Netflix catalog.

However, Martin Scorsese's doc on Bob Dylan's Rolling Thunder Revue tour is out the 12th. 8)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on June 06, 2019, 03:46:41 AM
Terrace House.. It’s like MTV;S Real World but only in Japan and as if nothing actually ever got Real

Surprised I never really heard of this before this thread (at least not in a way that stuck). Guess I know what I’m doing all weekend now.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on June 07, 2019, 12:44:30 AM
Terrace House.. It’s like MTV;S Real World but only in Japan and as if nothing actually ever got Real

Surprised I never really heard of this before this thread (at least not in a way that stuck). Guess I know what I’m doing all weekend now.

pixote

I can't remember how many seasons that their have been, at least 3 since Netflix picked it up, 1 is in Hawaii, one in Tokyo and out in the country away from the city. And a season usually extends over quite a long time in many parts and with different members but always 3 men and 3 women. I think some of the season's can go on for 40 episodes and members can decide to leave at any time in which case a new cast member will join. Also, the show usually starts airing before a season is over so there are times when they can start watching themselves on TV and others will see things they didn't know at the time.

But then, things that end up being big deals at time seem very minor and everybody is usually polite.

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 26, 2019, 07:33:57 PM
Should I see either the new Spider-Man or the Lion King remake in 3-D or regular D?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on June 26, 2019, 07:52:57 PM
Should anything ever be watched in 3D?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 26, 2019, 07:56:18 PM
Goodbye To Language, for sure. I feel like I should have seen Spiderverse that was as well, but didn't, though as of now I've got my AMC subscription tickets to standard showings of both.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on June 26, 2019, 09:52:07 PM
Goodbye To Language, for sure.
This. Also saw it with roujin this way. Fun times.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 26, 2019, 09:59:23 PM
Yeah, that and the sequence in Long Day's Journey... both really did amazing things with 3-D, though I'm unsure if anything can possibly top GTL.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 02, 2019, 12:44:49 PM
What country or region would you say is the most progressive when it comes to female filmmakers?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on July 02, 2019, 01:06:22 PM
The first that came to mind was Iran.

This page might be useful: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Women_film_directors
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on July 03, 2019, 01:58:59 AM
What country or region would you say is the most progressive when it comes to female filmmakers?
What's "progressive"? If you just mean which one has a higher proportional rate of women directing movies with of institutional/studio support, then it's almost certainly France.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on July 03, 2019, 06:29:53 AM
What country or region would you say is the most progressive when it comes to female filmmakers?
What's "progressive"? If you just mean which one has a higher proportional rate of women directing movies with of institutional/studio support, then it's almost certainly France.

Yeah, I think it's around 25% of movies coming out that are directed by women here ? Which is not that much, but more than anywhere else I believe.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on July 03, 2019, 03:35:02 PM
I'm avoiding the Respond to.... thread until I can catch up with it, so I'm taking refuge here to mention that Spider-Man: Far from Home is pretty ... lame. The school field trip abroad story makes it feel like a two-part episodes of some mediocre high school tv show; and the hokey writing and slim plotting are reminiscent of 90s fodder like Rookie of the Year or something like that. But less enjoyable.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 03, 2019, 10:32:06 PM
I'm avoiding the Respond to.... thread until I can catch up with it,
What are you most afraid of discovering? Since the thread is mostly reviews with ratings and rarely generates discussion, I was wondering what you're looking to avoid.


Spider-Man: Far from Home is pretty ... lame. The school field trip abroad story makes it feel like a two-part episodes of some mediocre high school tv show; and the hokey writing and slim plotting are reminiscent of 90s fodder like Rookie of the Year or something like that. But less enjoyable.
I'm fearing a repeat of last year's Incredibles 2 experience.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 03, 2019, 10:34:27 PM
What country or region would you say is the most progressive when it comes to female filmmakers?
What's "progressive"? If you just mean which one has a higher proportional rate of women directing movies with of institutional/studio support, then it's almost certainly France.
That was my initial guess, but I didn't know if that's just because of the number of acclaimed female directors or if there are a lot in the regional popcorn flicks too. I'm seeing a hefty rise in the number of American films with women at the controls and I can't believe our country would lead the charge right now on anything progressive.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 07, 2019, 12:07:04 PM
I never knew that novelist William Gibson (Neuromancer) wrote a screenplay to Alien 3. Just saw that Audible has turned it into an audiobook/play thingy with Michael Biehn doing V.O.

This is also available as a comic book.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on July 10, 2019, 04:32:47 PM
I'm avoiding the Respond to.... thread until I can catch up with it,
What are you most afraid of discovering? Since the thread is mostly reviews with ratings and rarely generates discussion, I was wondering what you're looking to avoid.

Oh, it's not about avoidance. I'm just hoping to force myself to savor all the new posts in that thread since whenever I was last up-to-date with it and also to use those posts to comment on films I've seen during that same stretch.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 10, 2019, 06:05:36 PM
I never knew that novelist William Gibson (Neuromancer) wrote a screenplay to Alien 3. Just saw that Audible has turned it into an audiobook/play thingy with Michael Biehn doing V.O.

This is also available as a comic book.
Oh man, I forgot about picking that up. I'll have to keep an eye out for it next time I'm in the comic shop.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 12, 2019, 09:36:19 PM
Is there a reason I should go see Crawl besides my desire to see Scodelario?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on July 12, 2019, 09:49:39 PM
It got good reviews and is not a sequel or remake?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 12, 2019, 09:51:18 PM
Scodelario is my #1 reason. A distant 2nd is remembering when director Alexandre Aja had potential. I asked my friend who saw the film already what he thought and he texted me...

(https://imgur.com/yvFUkr4.jpg)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on July 12, 2019, 10:07:18 PM
Lots of positive reviews on RT say it's schlocky fun. Not a good movie but whatevs.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 12, 2019, 10:49:11 PM
Lol I'm a big fan of this emoji use.

I guess I'll see how tomorrow goes.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 16, 2019, 06:53:29 PM
Today is the day that the events of Akira begin. 2019/7/16

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 16, 2019, 07:12:11 PM
Today is the day that the events of Akira begin. 2019/7/16



Funny how that future almost seems better than this reality.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on July 16, 2019, 07:38:34 PM
Today is also the day Taika Waititi's live-action Akira has been put on hold so he can make Thor 4.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 16, 2019, 07:42:29 PM
Today is also the day Taika Waititi's live-action Akira has been put on hold so he can make Thor 4.

Tbh, probably for the best. HEMSWORTH!!!!! MHOR THOR FHOR!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on July 17, 2019, 02:49:21 AM
Today is also the day Taika Waititi's live-action Akira has been put on hold so he can make Thor 4.

As much as I wish he was doing something else than Thor 4 (seeing as I didn't even like Ragnarok), an Akira remake did not sound like a great idea in the first place.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on July 19, 2019, 11:45:05 AM
The last hour of A Touch of Zen is pure cinematic bliss.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on July 22, 2019, 08:07:02 AM
I just watched a Stan Vanderbeek short A La Mode (1959) (http://www.ubu.com/film/vanderbeek_mode.html) and I have to wonder if Terry Gilliam was influenced by him.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on July 26, 2019, 11:36:41 AM
I’ve always been a fan of Margot Robbie but she is otherworldly  in QT’s latest. You rarely see an actor give off so much simply by being on screen.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 27, 2019, 11:45:44 AM
I wish I could get on board with her, and despite liking OUATIH a lot, as well as liking her role, I just can't get excited for her roles. Idk.

Do you guys think that QT has a thing for feet?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on July 27, 2019, 11:51:04 AM
You're about two decades late, FLY.  :P
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on July 27, 2019, 12:12:07 PM
Airplane food, I mean what's the deal with that!?!?

Obvi I have known for a long time that QT has a thing for feet. I saw some videarticle the other day that treated it like some major revelation. Though, I will admit, he's completely unhinged with it in OUATIH.

EDIT: Tangential, but I didn't realize they were doing 70mm screenings of the film (I guess only a few theaters and I'd have needed to go to NYC, which likely wasn't happening, though reminds me how fortunate I was to have H8ful playing that way so close), but wish I knew the one theater in Philly was doing 35mm screenings. Not that I still understand the difference, or 'get' why film is better than digital, but filmmakers seem to think it's important, so I like to see things that way even if I don't know if I can pick up on the differences. Similar with PTA (never had the chance) and Christopher No-Fun (did have the chance for Dunkirk, which was actually good).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 07, 2019, 02:37:56 PM
This may be a cynical thought, but I'm such a movie goat - the animal not G.O.A.T. - I don't think there's a movie out there that will go into my Top 100 that's been made already. Even finding a new Essential is like finding a unicorn.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on August 07, 2019, 03:11:35 PM
I hear you. Recently I made a list of my top 100 albums, and it's entirely stuff I discovered when I was 15 through 30 and super into music. That was when I was listening to albums over and over and over again and really geeking out over them. I still listen to music all the time, and am constantly getting into new stuff* but I'm not passionate enough about it anymore to latch onto something that hard. I can't imagine hearing an album now for the first time that would become so ingrained in my sense of musical self that it could enter that list. But that's okay. It's enough for me now to just enjoy music without needing it to be a "favorite".

It's pretty much the same thing with movies. Not all, but most of the films on my top 250 are ones I discovered when I was 30 through my early-40's, when I was super into movies. I wrote about them a lot, I explored different genres and movements, I did deep dives on directors. It was a period of attachment to movies. Nowadays I don't imagine I will care passionately enough about any film to want to add it to my list. But again... that's okay. It's enough for me now to just enjoy them. It's even a relief in a way.


* a recent rewatch of The Loveless has got me on a rockabilly binge at the moment. I have to say that all rockabilly sounds basically the same... but somehow that doesn't make it any less fun.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on August 07, 2019, 03:25:12 PM
I can echo most of that. (https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/8465820/deezer-survey-musical-paralysis-listening-trends-over-30)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 07, 2019, 03:58:13 PM
Yea, I mentioned this over in my TSPDT marathon thread (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14830.msg901684#msg901684). I still feel like I have a lot of films to see, but going back I'm finding that most of the places where I have blind spots are because those films don't speak to me. A lot of them I can appreciate, but don't truly love.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on August 07, 2019, 04:16:53 PM
I think what everyone's saying is largely true. Though I'm still consistently adding new and new-to-me films to my Top 100. But there's a vast distance between my 2,700 film on Letterboxd and 1SO's 11,400.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on August 08, 2019, 07:46:03 AM
This may be a cynical thought, but I'm such a movie goat - the animal not G.O.A.T. - I don't think there's a movie out there that will go into my Top 100 that's been made already. Even finding a new Essential is like finding a unicorn.

But also, the G.O.A.T.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: oldkid on August 08, 2019, 04:36:47 PM
Catching up with top ICM list films makes me realize I still have a lot to see that my top 100 will expand.

Watching The Fast and the Furious and The Hangover this week makes me realize again that popular is certainly not good.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: StarCarly on August 09, 2019, 11:29:54 PM
I gotta ask my old-school film buddies. Shall we see the new Lion King, or nah?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 10, 2019, 12:50:37 AM
Nah. Jungle Book had room for improvement and Favreau had ideas that led to a film worth seeing. He’s too loyal to Lion King, recreating it to lesser effect.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on August 17, 2019, 08:25:11 PM
If you averaged the age of the films in your top 100, versus the average age of the year in which those movies take place, which average do you think would be higher?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 18, 2019, 12:50:03 AM
How do you deal with films that do not specify the year in which they take place or that take place over a very long time?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 18, 2019, 01:27:14 AM
You're going to have three groups.

1. Films that take place in the year they were made. For example, Die Hard doesn't exist in a named time period. It was made in 1988 and reflects that year. Probably a large number of my films fall into this category.

2. Films that take place before the year they were made. The 2nd largest group. A film doesn't have to be biblical to be historical. Who Framed Roger Rabbit takes place in 1947, 41 years before its release. This should be the 2nd biggest amount because...

3. Films that take place in the future. Sure, Alien (1979) takes place in 2122, but how many of this type of film am I going to have in my Top 100? My Top 100 has 8 Science Fiction films, including two Terminator films that largely take place in the year they were made.

Meanwhile, I have seven Historical Dramas, from United 93 to Aguirre: The Wrath of God (1972 - 1561) to Jesus Christ Superstar (1973 - 36) and just as many Fantasy films with vague historical time periods like Excalibur, Pirates of the Caribbean and Perfume: The Story of a Murderer


I'm going to say the Average age of the films themselves will be much higher than the year they take place in.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 18, 2019, 05:38:32 AM
I broke it down into Before (set before the film was made), Same (set in the same time), After (set after)

Before   30
Same   64
After    6

So on average a little before the time the movie was made. I counted Terminator and T2 as Same
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on August 21, 2019, 02:15:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/JI5pOhf.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IigdJbP34bA

The trailer is seizure-inducing but it's worth hanging around to end just to hear the narrator say the film's title in that dramatic way they do in trailers. :))



Serious question though... how much money would Amazon Prime pay for the rights to stream this film? Does anyone have any idea? Like... I would love to know how that works and what calculations they use to justify acquiring a (3.4/10 IMDB) movie like this. Or is it likely just free? And amazon takes it because they have the capacity and being able to advertise x-many films available in their catalog is a benefit to them.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on August 21, 2019, 05:46:23 PM
Clearly you’ve never played backgammon. I tend to get very emotional when playing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on August 21, 2019, 09:54:36 PM
Amazon Prime has a lot of very low end movies. I agree it is likely to pad up their movie count, until they can fill it with there own content. That said it is a wonderful source of b movies
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on August 30, 2019, 08:51:34 PM
Had to push Midsommar DC until Wednesday  :'(
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on August 30, 2019, 10:31:20 PM
I have tix for Tuesday.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on August 30, 2019, 10:36:41 PM
I'm very excited. Been wondering what brought this on and I still don't know. I think if I had a better grasp of if A24 considered it a success, then I might know, but pretty unsure. Wrote this elsewhere, so I'll just copy and past it here:

Quote
The real answer is none in the sense that it won’t do more than an ISA for Pugh maybe, which I guess is what kind of allowed this DC to see distribution so soon in the first place. But it is a good question, especially depending on how something like Irishman rolls out. I assume it’s just whatever the studio submits, which is theoretically the original cut? Unless something nuts happens with this DC. As with most of them, it is muddy, as you say. For me though it really is the proximity to original release that has me shaky, but LVT was similar last year with The House That Jack Built, which isn’t dissimilar to Midsommar in the way its DC exists, or Nympho before it.

Who knows. I really do wonder who the driving force is, that’s the interesting conversation to me around Midsommar specifically. Like Aster almost immediately began talking up this cut when the original released, in a way that made it seem like he was creating this mystique and putting pressure on A24. But I think it turned a profit, and, aside from The Farewell, is probably A24s biggest landing hit since Hereditary, mixing critical, artistry, and commerce, so perhaps it’s a good faith thing to keep Aster pumping things out for them, or even testing the waters for their more challenging efforts to not get cut down. They’re in a super strange place now, I feel. As for the distributors, not sure theaters gain much from it, aside from art houses I’m not sure many are making a big deal of it, for them they’re probably just happy to have an LDW alternative to the few things getting dumped this weekend. Though as a consumer I like the ability to see both, but that may be different if I didn’t have the AMC thing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on August 31, 2019, 06:13:24 AM
I’m planning on seeing it this afternoon.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on August 31, 2019, 01:59:32 PM
I’m planning on seeing it this afternoon.

Jealous. The biggest hurdle, tbh, is that all the showings, especially at AMCs, around here are like 830 minimum starts. There's a Regal with a 630, but I need to leave for LDW stuff tonight, and was too far from work for me to make it after last night. Fortunately on Wednesday there's an acceptable 7:10 start, so I'll hit that. Then decide if I am mentally prepared to see It: Chapter 2 on Thurs at 7.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on August 31, 2019, 08:36:33 PM
The Alamo Drafthouse a mile away from me had a 3pm screening in their prime theatre...really going in for it (there is a late night one not in that theatre). Was sparsely attended. Curious whether the people going are primarily people who saw the original theatrical release or those just getting around to it.

My generic take is I do think this cut is better, but not in any groundbreaking way. Just lets things breathe that much more in terms of foundation of the community and foundation of the central relationship. Clears up a couple of the things I was puzzling after the first viewing. Even with the extra 24 minutes pushing it near 3 hours, it never felt particularly long.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Antares on September 16, 2019, 05:45:09 PM
Should I bother to watch Welcome to Marwen? I just watched the trailer, and it looks nothing like the documentary Marwencol, a film I was rather lukewarm with. The reviews I've read have cast a pretty bad light on it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2019, 12:17:53 AM
I always saw myself as a Zemeckis completionist, but after not catching The Walk in 3D it was easy to not see it, which made it easy to skip Welcome to Marwen when the terrible reviews came in. I liked Marwencol, but probably won't watch Welcome to Marwen until Zemeckis dies and I feel like being a completionist once again.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on September 17, 2019, 09:43:45 AM
Even though I know it's a spy thriller, I simply cannot see the title ffolkes without automatically thinking it's a fantasy flick about little gnomes or something. It's a weird mental short circuit I have.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2019, 12:44:02 PM
I see that and think it stars Don Ameche as a crusty old man. Looked up the title of that film and it turns out to be Folks!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on September 17, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
Even though I know it's a spy thriller, I simply cannot see the title ffolkes without automatically thinking it's a fantasy flick about little gnomes or something. It's a weird mental short circuit I have.

I feel like Elmer Fudd is to blame.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on September 17, 2019, 05:19:12 PM
Waiting for the "Support the Girls was way better than Hustlers" film twitter takes in 3...2...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on September 17, 2019, 08:44:52 PM
Waiting for the "Support the Girls was way better than Hustlers" film twitter takes in 3...2...

To be fair, one of those films is good. The other...not so much.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on September 17, 2019, 08:46:20 PM
Hustlers isn't actually all that good, so it is far too reasonable a take for film twitter.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on September 17, 2019, 08:48:47 PM
Hustlers isn't actually all that good, so it is far too reasonable a take for film twitter.

:up:

I'm on #TeamBondo with this one.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on September 18, 2019, 05:31:38 AM
What if they're both very good?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on September 19, 2019, 06:24:58 PM
What if they're both very good?

This is America, Junior. They can't both be very good.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: philip918 on September 19, 2019, 07:42:55 PM
One has to die.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on September 19, 2019, 08:11:20 PM
What if they're both very good?

This is America, Junior. They can't both be very good.

pixote


Ok, funny, but also I kinda liked that line?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 19, 2019, 10:51:57 PM
What if they're both very good?
What if neither of them is very good?

#thenuclearoption
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on October 06, 2019, 06:44:23 PM
I wonder if someone will reboot the Iron Eagle series now that Top Gun is coming back...
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 20, 2019, 04:57:17 AM
I found a list of films I watched for the 2003 MIFF yesterday. Lots of films I had forgotten about, it was a nice trip down memory lane
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on October 24, 2019, 12:22:08 PM
I found a list of films I watched for the 2003 MIFF yesterday. Lots of films I had forgotten about, it was a nice trip down memory lane

What film on the list made you the most nostalgic?

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on October 24, 2019, 09:33:14 PM
I've been keeping track of movies from ten years now and it's interesting to go back to the old lists and immediately get taken back to that moment in my life and recall where I was and what was happening at the time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 25, 2019, 05:03:43 AM
I found a list of films I watched for the 2003 MIFF yesterday. Lots of films I had forgotten about, it was a nice trip down memory lane

What film on the list made you the most nostalgic?

pixote

It was as much the list itself, there was 59 sessions listed, so that was the year I went to 62 session (in 18 days). This year's festival I made it to 3 sessions. Looking at the list now there are a lot of films that have dropped off the radar (many of those never got on the radar), like Max (Noah Taylor as Hilter the artist and the build up to his joining the Nazi party), Distant Lights (refugee misery), Kops (Swedish film about police in a small town faking crime to ensure the station stays open), Gozu (Takashi Miike insanity). Others are still on the Radar like Shaolin Soccer, Ten, Morvern Callar, Infernal Affairs.

The most memorable from the festival would be Intacto, Distant Lights, Gozu and Save the Green Planet. Although I did walk out of Save the Green Planet. It was talked about in the festival guide as being like the films of Juenet and Caro, it was more like torture porn. It was also the 4th or 5th session of the day and I was sitting next to someone who stank of urine, it was all too much.

No one film made me nostalgic
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on October 31, 2019, 06:18:55 PM
The twitter argument that I have been training for my entire life has finally arrived:
https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/netflix-attempts-to-quell-backlash-over-variable-playback-speed-test/ (https://www.digitaltrends.com/movies/netflix-attempts-to-quell-backlash-over-variable-playback-speed-test/)

Various directors/actors/etc are pitching a fit at the idea of Netflix allowing viewers to change playback speed between .5x-1.5x. As someone who has from time to time taken advantage of the ability to watch at 1.5x that DVDs have provided for YEARS, I give a great big roll of the eyes to their concern trolling artistic intent.

1. As it comes to podcasts, I listen exclusively in 1.5x speed and 1x is unbearably slow and unnatural sounding. My brain is already trained to process this stuff at a faster clip.
2. With movies, the less I'm enjoying a film the more likely I am to speed it up...and often I am not enjoying the film because too many directors waste the viewer's time, so on net this habit improves overall movie enjoyment, aside from the time savings consideration. But maybe these directors would rather I hate their film at 1x rather than tolerate or even enjoy it at 1.5x.

This feels as out of touch as "old dude directors hate Marvel films."
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 31, 2019, 06:25:43 PM
As someone who generally listens to podcasts at 1.5X, I will not be watching movies that way. Same as I do not listen to music that way. Podcasts are generally a conversation, the timing of the words and silences are not a deliberate dramatic strategy. For music, TV and movies that is not the case. Good or bad, they should be listened to/watched at the correct speed.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on October 31, 2019, 07:01:05 PM
I mean rewinding/fast forwarding has always been a feature of home video/dvds. Not sure what the big deal is. Most people won't use this.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on October 31, 2019, 07:03:54 PM
As someone who generally listens to podcasts at 1.5X, I will not be watching movies that way. Same as I do not listen to music that way. Podcasts are generally a conversation, the timing of the words and silences are not a deliberate dramatic strategy. For music, TV and movies that is not the case. Good or bad, they should be listened to/watched at the correct speed.

I think the same, I couldn't watch a movie or listen to music at 1.5x though I don't believe the director or artist really owns the right to dictate how to consume or interrupt their work once released.  Read too many endless debates around Kubrick's intent on aspect ratios or which cut of the Shining was his true cut to think anybody should really care too much about how somebody else wants to enjoy the film. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on October 31, 2019, 07:11:45 PM
Much as I don't listen to regular music at a faster speed, I found I enjoy some Epic Rap Battles of History more this way.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on October 31, 2019, 07:45:37 PM
I find the idea of listening to/watching anything - podcasts, music, films - at anything other than the intended speed to be at best nonsensical, at worst offensive.

I mean, people are free to do whatever they want I guess. But I don't get it. Insert joke about speedreading War and Peace here.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 31, 2019, 08:42:27 PM
I mean rewinding/fast forwarding has always been a feature of home video/dvds. Not sure what the big deal is. Most people won't use this.

I do not have a problem it being available, I just do not think it appropriate to use.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on October 31, 2019, 11:07:51 PM
I find the idea of listening to/watching anything - podcasts, music, films - at anything other than the intended speed to be at best nonsensical, at worst offensive.

I mean, people are free to do whatever they want I guess. But I don't get it. Insert joke about speedreading War and Peace here.

 Still listen to everything at normal time, including Podcasts though I should learn to listen to them faster, including Audiobooks, just due to time constraints.

But in what sense do you consider it offensive? Because it is against the original intent?  Hardly any way of we consume these things are close to what was intended, be it on iPads or poorly calibrated TV’s etc. 
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on November 01, 2019, 12:29:53 AM
Seems harmless enough. At worst I’m only hurting my own experience by watching at advanced speed (though I argue to the contrary). I hardly see how it hurts the director/society at large so as to offend.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on November 01, 2019, 02:57:55 AM
Seems harmless enough. At worst I’m only hurting my own experience by watching at advanced speed (though I argue to the contrary). I hardly see how it hurts the director/society at large so as to offend.

As long as you watch by yourself.  If my wife tries to do this, I will leave and go walk the dog.  But I don't have an issue with the feature in general
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on November 01, 2019, 03:22:49 AM
By "offensive", I mean "offensive to me", not that it should be banned or whatever. It doesn't hurt anyone, and people are free to do whatever they want as long as it doesn't, so go ahead and watch your bastardized version of a work of art. I don't have to approve, and you don't have to care that I don't (or, much more relevantly, that the creators almost definitely wouldn't).

To me, it's like watching a colorized version of a B&W movie. Maybe it's an interesting curiosity, but it's not the movie. It's another version you created, which you can do, but if you're watching, idk, Lawrence of Arabia at double speed, then you haven't seen Lawrence of Arabia. You've seen some other thing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 03, 2019, 10:16:10 PM
but if you're watching, idk, Lawrence of Arabia at double speed, then you haven't seen Lawrence of Arabia. You've seen some other thing.

It's for when you only want to nap for 2 hours instead of 4.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on November 03, 2019, 11:24:29 PM
I lost
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 04, 2019, 11:52:36 PM
Who would you cast if they were making a Count of Monte Cristo right now?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on November 05, 2019, 12:29:48 AM
Choice 1
Huge Jackman as Fernand Mondego (the bad guy)
Rooney Mara as Edmond Dantès (the count)

Choice 2
Cara Delevingne as Fernand Mondego (the bad guy)
Ruby Rose as Edmond Dantès (the count)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on November 05, 2019, 03:43:53 AM
I don't know Ruby Rose so that's an issue, but I can see Rooney Mara nailing the tortured trauma of Edmond Dantès.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on November 05, 2019, 03:43:01 PM
Oscar Isaac as the bad guy.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 05, 2019, 08:43:35 PM
Interesting choices.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on November 05, 2019, 08:46:59 PM
And your choices?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 05, 2019, 08:51:45 PM
I was trying to imagine Shia Labouef in the lead role. I think he has the intensity to play The Count, and maybe the sympathetic quality to play Dantes himself, but I don't know if he has the charisma to play all the other alter-egos of Dantes.

I was also thinking of Daniel Radcliffe for the part of Mondego or Dantes. I'm leaning toward Mondego.

It's hard to come up with an name for Abbe Faria, since Richard Harris basically did what I think of as the definitive take on it.

Or you could go a bit older. Christian Bale (Dantes), Daniel Day Lewis (Mondego). Powerhouse combo.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on November 05, 2019, 09:04:49 PM
I am not a fan of Labouef, but who knows. Radcliffe I do not think he could play off the Count, but would make an interesting Mondego. Your older choices are interesting.

Issac I have been mixed on (not impressed with his work in Star Wars, liked him in Ex Machina), that said he would be a good fit for Mondego.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 05, 2019, 09:18:08 PM
Yes, Ex Machina is what came to mind for me as well when picturing him in the role.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 08, 2019, 02:33:20 PM
Was on a Studio lot when a tram tour went by and the driver said, “Steven Spielberg makes mistakes, but his movies captivate so that you don’t notice.”

1. Pretty sure the driver went off script
2. Not sure people on a tour of a Hollywood lot wants to hear “Steven Spielberg makes mistakes.”
3. “But his movies captivate”?
4. Check the internet. People notice.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on November 08, 2019, 03:16:03 PM
I mean, everyone makes mistakes ? Are we supposed to pretend like Spielberg (or anyone else) is some demigod who does everything right all the time  ? It seems like a very innocuous comment to me, and I get what he's saying: good filmmaking makes you gloss over the imperfections. You're probably right that it was "off-script" though... do they have scripts ?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 08, 2019, 04:24:31 PM
They’re loaded up with facts and history. They’re very prepared to keep talking if they have to wait behind a production truck or take a different route through the lot.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on November 11, 2019, 08:00:56 PM
These are fun:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=arthouse+muppets&_sacat=0&fbclid=IwAR28VoDMzaigN3-d5sTEmbd0QLuhTXSa4e6GSYKZFkQU21zXXY-C9cDr2EQ
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on November 11, 2019, 10:41:20 PM
Can anyone spot me a couple hundred bucks?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on November 17, 2019, 03:23:29 AM
What are some movies similar to Dante’s Peak and Volcano? I love me some disaster movies. I think I’ve seen most of them but I’m sure there’s a few more out there. Twister is the next one on my list.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 17, 2019, 03:31:03 AM
Twister is essential 90's disaster stuff.

The Core > Armageddon by a lot. Stanley Tucci stealing all the scenes. All of them!

Outbreak is classic 90's too.

Sadly there is no scene which can match Dante's Peak, when Grandma jumps into a lake of lava to push a boat to shore. It doesn't sound like a funny scene, but it makes me giggle every time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on November 17, 2019, 03:41:18 AM
Sadly there is no scene which can match Dante's Peak, when Grandma jumps into a lake of lava to push a boat to shore. It doesn't sound like a funny scene, but it makes me giggle every time.

That will always be my only memory from Dante's Peak no matter how many times i watch it.

I've seen The Core, Armageddon and Outbreak. I like them all.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 17, 2019, 03:48:46 AM
You'll get a kick out of Twister then. Gotta get your Bill Paxton and Philip Seymour Hoffman where you can. :'(
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 17, 2019, 08:20:20 PM
I was talking to a friend about Twister today coincidentally, and Roseanne and the Lunchbox restaurant that used to be in the show. And how Martin Mull played the manager. But yall remember Martin Mull being in Twister right? That definitely happened.

(https://i.imgur.com/Zshe8T7.jpg)

Prove it though. It's surprisingly difficult. IMDB has scrubbed him from the film. Photo evidence from a google search is spotty and inconclusive.

I grabbed this one frame from the trailer... which at first felt like proof, but I'm less and less sure about it the more the I look at it.

(https://i.imgur.com/IQog9yF.png)

Am I going crazy? Anyone else remember him in it?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 17, 2019, 11:09:35 PM
I remember Philip Seymour Hoffman, who sometimes looks like Martin Mull, but not in Twister.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on November 17, 2019, 11:53:39 PM
Man... I distinctly remember him as part of the rag tag band of tornado chasers.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 18, 2019, 04:31:50 PM
What are some movies similar to Dante’s Peak and Volcano? I love me some disaster movies. I think I’ve seen most of them but I’m sure there’s a few more out there. Twister is the next one on my list.
I don't think The Birds qualifies with what you're looking for, but I love The Birds so I didn't want to exclude it.

San Andreas (2015) is better than you think thanks to excellent effects and The Rock in maximum movie star mode.

The Poseidon Adventure (1972)

Deepwater Horizon (2016)

The Day After Tomorrow (2004) has good disaster scenes, but the story is bad. That still makes it better than 2012, which is just as bad a story but with terrible effects.

Maybe The Impossible (2012)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on November 18, 2019, 04:39:56 PM
I don't think The Birds qualifies with what you're looking for, but I love The Birds so I didn't want to exclude it.

The Birds is in my top 2 or 3 Hitchcock films.

San Andreas (2015) is better than you think thanks to excellent effects and The Rock in maximum movie star mode.

I've seen this and really enjoy it.

The Poseidon Adventure (1972)

Added to the list! How does The Towering Inferno compare to this list? Seems like a similar movie.

Deepwater Horizon (2016)

Also seen this and really enjoy it. I think it was 3rd in my top 10 for that year.

The Day After Tomorrow (2004) has good disaster scenes, but the story is bad. That still makes it better than 2012, which is just as bad a story but with terrible effects.

This is one of my guilty pleasures for sure.

Maybe The Impossible (2012)

Added!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on November 18, 2019, 04:55:03 PM
The Poseidon Adventure (1972)

Added to the list! How does The Towering Inferno compare to this list? Seems like a similar movie.
I liked Inferno a LOT less than most. So much so that I wondered if I was just not in the mood at the time. It was everything bad about 70s disaster films with nothing to make it special.

I will add that once you've seen Poseidon Adventure, I've written extensively about it and will share those links, Sandy also likes it a lot, and there's a review by pixote that I'll link which destroys most of the good we have to say about the film.


Maybe The Impossible (2012)

Added!
Been curious about seeing this one again now that one of its co-stars is a major player in the MCU.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on November 18, 2019, 05:03:24 PM
What are some movies similar to Dante’s Peak and Volcano? I love me some disaster movies. I think I’ve seen most of them but I’m sure there’s a few more out there. Twister is the next one on my list.

The Core (2003)
The various Airport movies from the 70s and 80s
Earthquake (1974)
The Swarm (1978)
Krakatoa, East of Java (1968)

Going earlier you could try When World's Collide (1951)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on November 19, 2019, 02:30:49 AM
I liked Inferno a LOT less than most. So much so that I wondered if I was just not in the mood at the time. It was everything bad about 70s disaster films with nothing to make it special.

I will add that once you've seen Poseidon Adventure, I've written extensively about it and will share those links, Sandy also likes it a lot, and there's a review by pixote that I'll link which destroys most of the good we have to say about the film.

I'll have to have Poseidon Adventure to the top of my list after Twister.

The Core (2003)
The various Airport movies from the 70s and 80s
Earthquake (1974)
The Swarm (1978)
Krakatoa, East of Java (1968)

The Core is another one i need to get to. I'm also interested in The Swarm since it was an early Film Sack episode. Although that's a podcast about bad movies and The Swarm has an 11% so i don't think I'm going to rush that one!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 06, 2019, 11:41:02 PM
Is Shia a lead or a supporting actor in Honey Boy?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on December 07, 2019, 02:51:37 AM
Aren’t you the expert on all things the beef?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 07, 2019, 05:44:48 AM
Definitely supporting.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on December 07, 2019, 11:36:28 AM
I remember Philip Seymour Hoffman, who sometimes looks like Martin Mull, but not in Twister.

Didn’t Sinbad play a genie in a movie that got scrubbed out of this reality...? :P
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 07, 2019, 07:04:42 PM
Aren’t you the expert on all things the beef?

Yes, which is why I posted it here because I sense this is generally the sentiment around the film:

Definitely supporting.

But I don't know that I believe that to be the case.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 12, 2019, 11:01:05 AM
Watching Dolemite is my Name and the bit where they don't find Billy Wilder funny at all speaks to me on a spiritual level.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 12, 2019, 11:13:47 PM
Definitely supporting.

But I don't know that I believe that to be the case.

Were you going for a play on Shia as character is lead vs Shia as actor as lead?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 14, 2019, 07:35:48 PM
I just think he's in so much of the film, and it's as much about him as it is both versions of Shia. I'd be open to the idea that they are either all leads or none are leads, but in terms of 'lead actor', the specter of Real Shia aside, I'd prioritize

Dad Shia > Kid Shia > Hedges Shia

Mostly just wondering how I should consider him for Filmspots, assuming he looks like he'll get some support (though not necessarily as Support, but that seems to be the case, I guess).
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Antares on December 15, 2019, 08:46:13 PM
The other day I re-watched The King's Speech and I didn't notice this the first time I watched it, but it left me pondering it a bit this time. Early in the film, Logue has the King wear earphones as music is blasting and he has the King read some Shakespeare, while Logue records him. Because the King can't hear himself speaking and therefore can't hear himself stammering, he recites the Shakespeare flawlessly. So why doesn't Logue just have the King wear deafening earplugs whenever he needs to speak publicly or on the radio? Seems like a simple solution to the problem.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 15, 2019, 10:52:03 PM
Logue wasn't interested in getting Albert through his public speeches, he wanted to cure the King. This demonstration was to prove that the affliction was more psychological than physical. I would agree that it could've been proposed as a solution, but I don't remember if Albert shared the recording with his wife, which would mean that he also was more interested in a permanent treatment and not a temporary solution.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 17, 2019, 12:59:36 AM
Is it just coincidence that the two most anxiety-filled films I’ve seen feature Adam Sandler in a dramatic role?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on December 18, 2019, 12:18:45 PM
Carrie and I got Xmas Eve tickets for a date night showing of the new Star Wars (our first time out alone in 6 months) but pretty much everything I've seen about it is "meh" and now I'm not looking forward to it that much :/

The internet sucks.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on December 18, 2019, 01:15:50 PM
The internet was wrong about The Last Jedi.
The internet was wrong about Solo.

Expectations are low but I’m optimistic.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on December 18, 2019, 01:57:03 PM
You shouldn't be.

Source: Have seen it (films come out n Wednesday here).

And I say this as someone who liked Force Awakens a lot, mostly liked Last Jedi, and found Solo very dumb but overall enjoyable.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 18, 2019, 08:31:02 PM
Still going tomorrow night at 6:30 after work/getting dinner, but will not be surprised if Abrams makes another bad film since he's made plenty, including one Star Wars one already. Will be surprised if it's not as good as Force Awakens. As long as there's a good amount of Driver, I'm sure I'll like it enough though.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on December 20, 2019, 12:24:38 AM
Re: kings speech

I guess there's also a degree of doubt in play. It's one thing to use the method to prove a point, reciting Shakespeare (a text which would be familiar) in a safe environment. But it's quite another to trust the method to something as important as a real live speech, written only weeks prior, to an audience of millions. There's no way to be sure the method would overcome the impediment in those circumstances except to try... the consequences if it didnt work though would be so costly. It could have the king confidently slurring nonsense in a way that makes him seem like a lunatic. :-/
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on December 26, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
My 2:15pm screening of the new Star Wars movie yesterday started at 2:43pm. AMC wasn’t kidding when they said they were adding more trailers and the like, omg.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 26, 2019, 02:55:59 PM
Same. They should advertise to me OR charge me, otherwise they’re just stealing my time. Though I’ve started arriving late more and more as a result.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on December 26, 2019, 04:23:28 PM
Same. They should advertise to me OR charge me, otherwise they’re just stealing my time. Though I’ve started arriving late more and more as a result.

Do they do assigned seating these days in most US theatres?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on December 26, 2019, 04:37:30 PM
They do, so showing up 20 minutes late to avoid trailers does not mean consigning oneself to the worst seats.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on January 02, 2020, 02:30:39 PM
My wife really wants me to watch "Doctor Who" (the new ones, starting with Eccleston) and I really want to watch movies, so we made a deal. We switch off: two episodes of the Doctor, then a movie of my choosing. It's worked out well so far... we're almost done with the first Tennant season, and while I find the writing to be unbearably cliché at times, it's a lot of fun. And in the past month, we've worked through ten of my backlog of purchased Blu-Rays. Pretty soon I'll be digging into all the recent movies I never got around to.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 02, 2020, 02:43:21 PM
I like the Eccleston/Tennant era of that show.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 02, 2020, 02:58:09 PM
Me too, which is weird because Sam and I rarely agree. Tennant's introduction is great, but his first series starts shaky.

I'm excited to hear any thoughts you have on recent movies.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on January 02, 2020, 03:08:36 PM
I did not like Eccleston much at all... one of my least favorite things about the show is the doctor's smugness, and Eccleston really pushed that button for me. Tennant handles it better, although he still comes off as pretty smug a lot of the time. I hate how the character is always so casually bemused, except when he has some soapbox speech to make.

tbh I have a lot of problems with the show, but I still manage to enjoy watching it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 02, 2020, 03:32:57 PM
If I could travel through time I'd be pretty smug about it.  ;D
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 02, 2020, 03:56:05 PM
I love the smugness. Eccleston is my favorite doctor because he feels alien, always somewhat contemptuous of humans which makes his occasional wonder all the more endearing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 14, 2020, 05:05:04 AM
Looking over the oscars nominations. How is it that Tom Hanks is best supporting for his role playing Mr Rogers. I know the makers of the film choose, but WTF. Is he not in the film much????

Note: I have not seen the film or even the trailer.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 14, 2020, 06:09:38 AM
He isn't even close to the lead in that film. The film is structured around the Matthew Rhys journalist character, and to good effect.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 14, 2020, 07:09:39 AM
Ah, makes sense
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 17, 2020, 03:50:23 PM
What's the most cringe-worthy instance of a movie shoehorning its title into a line of dialogue that you can think of?

Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Will on January 17, 2020, 04:00:29 PM
So that's it? What? We some kind of... suicide squad?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 17, 2020, 06:58:04 PM
"No last name and traveling alone. I shall call you Han... Solo."

(This is how I remember it.)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 17, 2020, 07:18:50 PM
I'm personally a non-fan of the exaggerated way Doc Brown announces "we’re sending you Back to the Furture!"

"What a view!"
"... To a Kill."


"I'm going to take his Face...Off"

"Whadda' I look like to you, A Clockwork Orange?" (I may be mixing up my movies on this one.)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: jdc on January 17, 2020, 07:30:28 PM
I don’t believe that last one is in A Clockwork Orange
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 17, 2020, 07:32:47 PM
"I'm going to take his Face...Off"

I wonder if after hearing this they thought "hmm, maybe we should change the title..." :))
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Teproc on January 17, 2020, 07:35:12 PM
I don’t believe that last one is in A Clockwork Orange

If it were, it might truly be the greatest movie of all time.

Come to think of it, Orson Welles really messed up by not including "He truly was... Citizen Kane" in his debut's denouement.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 17, 2020, 07:49:45 PM
An even tougher question potentially; are there any sequels that mention their complete title? :)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on January 17, 2020, 08:47:11 PM
An even tougher question potentially; are there any sequels that mention their complete title? :)

Have to figure it happens in the new Bad Boys.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 17, 2020, 09:23:09 PM
An even tougher question potentially; are there any sequels that mention their complete title? :)
"So I guess you came here in a Hot Tub Time Machine, too.
It's a fact. (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2637294/quotes)


I know the Face/Off story. It's on the DVD commentary. There was pressure from the studio to change the title so Cage let 'er rip in that scene and the people watching the monitors said, "the title fits now."
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on January 18, 2020, 10:30:02 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wa64R4ieXiw

Seems like Bond films and musicals are the one's who can't help but reference the title!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 18, 2020, 10:40:08 AM
Dear Evan Hansen has the title as the ninth through eleventh words of the entire show. Any movie/play that gets to it quicker?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on January 18, 2020, 10:44:52 AM
:D

Singin' in the Rain is sung right at the opening credits, with rain and umbrellas and everything!

Bondo, have you had the chance to see Dear Evan Hansen?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on January 18, 2020, 10:56:16 AM
Yep, I saw it back in June. My first impression was amazing play but wasn't sold fully on the music. Since that time the music has caught me fully such that it's a top-5 musical for me.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on January 18, 2020, 11:06:47 AM
Love how that happens!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on January 18, 2020, 11:08:51 AM
Coming to Philly in the spring, going to try to get out to see it at some point. Even though musicals aren't real theatre :snob: :up:
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on January 18, 2020, 11:14:02 AM
 :))

Well la-tee-da!  :musical snob:

Hope it wins you over, FLY!
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 21, 2020, 10:41:54 PM
So, Richard Stanley. Our amazing FilmBar is screening Color Out of Space, and it's about the most interesting dropping around me this weekend. The description sounds both amazing and terrible. I saw he wrote The Island of Doctor Moreau, and that's the only thing from him that's familiar to me. Anything else I should know?
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on January 22, 2020, 06:54:39 PM
So, Richard Stanley. Our amazing FilmBar is screening Color Out of Space, and it's about the most interesting dropping around me this weekend. The description sounds both amazing and terrible. I saw he wrote The Island of Doctor Moreau, and that's the only thing from him that's familiar to me. Anything else I should know?

Can you really go wrong with Nic Cage?    8)
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: etdoesgood on January 22, 2020, 07:03:03 PM
Can you really go wrong with Nic Cage?    8)

Mmm...yes? But this does look like a fantastic vehicle for him to pilot.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 30, 2020, 01:24:22 PM
Going forward I think no actor should get to play James Bond more than one time.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 30, 2020, 01:59:25 PM
I'd actually be down for that. Craig has felt overdone in the role.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Corndog on January 30, 2020, 02:13:53 PM
Going forward I think no actor should get to play James Bond more than one time.

3*

I think three is the right number.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: don s. on January 30, 2020, 05:29:01 PM
I disagree. In fact, I'm in favor of bringing back Sean Connery! Bond with a walker! And anyone who disagrees with me is guilty of ageism.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on January 30, 2020, 06:38:11 PM
They should let Michael Cera be James Bond.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: smirnoff on January 30, 2020, 08:59:00 PM
I disagree. In fact, I'm in favor of bringing back Sean Connery! Bond with a walker!

The tennis balls on the back legs are grenades.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: The Deer Hunter on January 31, 2020, 01:09:44 AM
I disagree. In fact, I'm in favor of bringing back Sean Connery! Bond with a walker! And anyone who disagrees with me is guilty of ageism.

I, for one, would love a Logan style Bond movie with old Sean Connery. That could be amazing.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: 1SO on January 31, 2020, 01:52:13 AM
I feel like The Rock kind of gave me that. I'd rather see this done with Pierce Brosnan.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on February 01, 2020, 11:30:22 AM
Passed on seeing Dead Pigs at PFF 2018 even though it was a Narrative Competition film because those usually tend to make their way out and it conflicted with something else/was only showing at the Film Center that day. I knew it was a debut, but even at that time Yan's next project had been announced, which seemed like a huge jump, but intended to catch up with it at some point. Now, with Birds Of Prey coming out on Thursday, I wanted to get to it, and I'm starting to think it didn't get distribution? It certainly isn't streaming for rent or own that I can find, and reviews, even at the time, were pretty strong for it, so surprised that this thing isn't able to be watched anywhere. Looking like Robbie even specifically requested Yan to direct this based on how taken she was with Dead Pigs, and idk if this thing even released on video in China for import. Maybe there's somewhere online to find it, but I wouldn't really know. Kind of baffled by this.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on February 18, 2020, 09:50:50 AM
While watching Portrait of a Lady on Fire last night, at first I was so enthralled I felt it could be a new entry in my top movies list. Afterwards, picking it apart, it didn't really seem to hit that spot, it didn't have quite the emotional impact I was hoping for. And it made me sad because I realized it's been a long time since a movie won me over enough to qualify as a "favorite". Have I gotten too picky? Am I setting impossible standards? Am I dead inside?

So I thought back... what was the last movie I allowed entry into my hallowed top 250 list? It was Gimme the Loot. And here's the interesting part: that was one of the last films I saw before my first wife and I finally agreed to get a divorce. And also I realized that my serious cinephilia really kicked in about a year into that tumultuous, disastrous, prolonged relationship. I mean, I had always loved movies but I didn't start deep exploration until then. Granted, that was also largely due to a lengthy period of being unemployed... but I see now that my film fanaticism was very much tied to that relationship. Lacking anything else truly satisfying in my life, I clung to movies as the thing to give me emotional sustenance.

So maybe I can't find that spark in movies any more because I no longer need it. Not that I don't still love watching them, or that I can't think really, really highly of one (I gave Portrait a 91). Just that I no longer hang my identity on them to the degree that I used to. There may never be a new entry on my tops list because the ones that are already there meant so much to me at the time.

Or I dunno, maybe I've also gotten too picky.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: pixote on February 18, 2020, 11:49:09 AM
One of the best uses of this thread ever. That's some good cinephile soul-searching right there.

pixote
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on February 18, 2020, 11:55:29 AM
Yeah, that was a great read. I think we've all experienced the phenomenon of watching the same movie at different times in our life and finding that it means something different the second or third or thirtieth time around. Of course, the movies don't change, but we do. Based on what I see of your family on Facebook, Martin, your domestic bliss seems like a very good thing, and if the tradeoff is having movies mean less overall to you, that's probably a trade you'd agree to if you knew it would happen ahead of time.

For me, I've made studying movies my livelihood, and I hope to never lose that enthusiasm I still have for the medium, though if I were presented with the hypothetical choice I wrote about above, I don't know what I'd do.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 18, 2020, 12:27:51 PM
I certainly feel some of that now MT. I'm in much more healthy relationships than I used to be at the peak of my movie obsession and the joy I used to solely get from them I now get from many places so I don't feel as starved for it when I come to movies. I'm at a place now where most nights I'd rather go spend time with people than watch a movie. And when I do watch a movie I don't feel as compelled to analyze my feelings and thoughts about it because I have just as much other stuff I'd rather think about.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: MartinTeller on February 18, 2020, 02:10:23 PM
Thanks for the feedback, guys! I knew this group would appreciate it.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Sandy on February 18, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
Well said, Martin. And, a life well-lived. (I too have the benefit of getting little facebook snapshots into your goings on. :) )
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Bondo on February 18, 2020, 07:23:50 PM
I figure it's like with music. A few years back I just hit a point where I have enough music I like, so it takes a great deal for a new artist to break through. The music presumptively hasn't gotten worse, I just hit a limit.

I don't think it is quite that bad with movies (I hardly ever rewatch things while I always listen to music again) but especially at the very top level nothing seems to be able to get the deep roots. Most of my #1 of the year films in the past few years wouldn't be top-50 all time. I don't think they got worse, I think the ability to have that kind of deep reaction just gets sanded down a bit.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Junior on February 18, 2020, 08:29:44 PM
Funny that we had this convo today, and tonight I watched Under the Silver Lake, which felt like it was made specifically for me. It will definitely be one of the movies from last year that I rotate into my Top 100 list next go around.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: FLYmeatwad on February 18, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
DRM (not the kind in gaming) is a true boss.
Title: Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
Post by: Beavermoose on February 20, 2020, 06:32:03 AM
While watching Portrait of a Lady on Fire last night, at first I was so enthralled I felt it could be a new entry in my top movies list. Afterwards, picking it apart, it didn't really seem to hit that spot, it didn't have quite the emotional impact I was hoping for. And it made me sad because I realized it's been a long time since a movie won me over enough to qualify as a "favorite". Have I gotten too picky? Am I setting impossible standards? Am I dead inside?

So I thought back... what was the last movie I allowed entry into my hallowed top 250 list? It was Gimme the Loot. And here's the interesting part: that was one of the last films I saw before my first wife and I finally agreed to get a divorce. And also I realized that my serious cinephilia really kicked in about a year into that tumultuous, disastrous, prolonged relationship. I mean, I had always loved movies but I didn't start deep exploration until then. Granted, that was also largely due to a lengthy period of being unemployed... but I see now that my film fanaticism was very much tied to that relationship. Lacking anything else truly satisfying in my life, I clung to movies as the thing to give me emotional sustenance.

So maybe I can't find that spark in movies any more because I no longer need it. Not that I don't still love watching them, or that I can't think really, really highly of one (I gave Portrait a 91). Just that I no longer hang my identity on them to the degree that I used to. There may never be a new entry on my tops list because the ones that are already there meant so much to me at the time.

Or I dunno, maybe I've also gotten too picky.
I feel exactly the same. I can still appreciate movies, I found Portrait of a Lady on Fire to be an exceptional film, but they don't give me the same kind of comfort and life affirming revelations as they did when I was younger. I imagine that at the time I would look to films for some kind of answers to my life questions and solutions to my anxieties. Certain films were able to help me in this regard.
I re-watched Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind yesterday which had been so close to my heart, and at the top of my top 100, for so long. It was such an important part of my growing up and my early adult years. On this most recent re-watch I was able to appreciate it for it's filmic strengths and the incredible writing, and I was appreciative, almost nostalgic, about the ways in which it had allowed me to grow as a cinephile and as a person, yet it's therapeutic value had lessened and my connection to it as well.