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Title: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: pixote on November 17, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
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Back in 2010, actress Greta Gerwig was the loopy, optimistic lifeforce in Noah Baumbach’s otherwise bitter and cynical “Greenberg.” She went on to co-write and star in a pair of Baumbach films before making her own directing debut this fall with LADY BIRD. The autobiographical film is set in 2002 and stars Saoirse Ronan as the strong-willed Gerwig stand-in with Laurie Metcalf as her equally tough mom. Ronan's "Lady Bird" may be an iconoclast, but Adam and Josh are only too happy to conform to the critical consensus that Gerwig's film is one of the year's best. Plus, Josh's thoughts on the new JUSTICE LEAGUE and the Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts.

Listen here (http://traffic.megaphone.fm/FLM9777571532.mp3).
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: pixote on November 17, 2017, 01:50:19 PM
I await Bondo's Top 5 list here.

pixote
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on November 17, 2017, 02:17:22 PM
1. Lost in Translation
2. Meshes of the Afternoon
3. The House is Black
4. Daisies
5. Jeanne Dielman, 23, Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles

Also sad there's little chance I'll see Lady Bird in 2017.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: DarkeningHumour on November 17, 2017, 02:20:53 PM
How is Lost in Translation a début?
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: 1SO on November 17, 2017, 02:22:04 PM
I know 3 of these titles are not debuts.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on November 17, 2017, 02:23:19 PM
Lots I have not seen, and a couple I have seen but do not remember.

Top 5 Female Directed Debuts
Boys Don't Cry
The Woodsman
Fast Times at Ridgemont High
A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night
My Brilliant Career

Edit: I did not know The Woodsman was in contention, added it at number 2, dropped I Shot Andy Warhol.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: pixote on November 17, 2017, 02:36:11 PM
Here's the link to Adam's shortlist (https://letterboxd.com/filmspotting/list/female-directed-debuts/detail/) on Letterboxd.

pixote
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on November 17, 2017, 03:23:29 PM
I can't read, apparently. :P
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: oldkid on November 17, 2017, 05:41:30 PM
Does it count as a debut if the film is their only one?
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Bondo on November 17, 2017, 06:11:29 PM
I await Bondo's Top 5 list here.

pixote

Ask and you shall receive.

I guess this is the Lucile Hadzihalilovic memorial list because she technically had a feature film before Innocence (though it is only 52 minutes) and that would be a surefire #1. Also, obviously couldn't just do 5.

1. XXY
2. Mustang
3. The Woodsman
4. Water Lilies
5. Red Road
6. Obvious Child
7. Whale Rider
8. Me and You and Everyone We Know
9. Pariah
10. Love Like Poison
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: mañana on November 17, 2017, 07:11:25 PM
To be fair to Sam, Ladybird isn’t a debut either. :)
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: oldkid on November 17, 2017, 09:03:14 PM
1. The House is Black--I don't care if it's her only film, I don't care if it is short, it is such an amazing film, it counts for three
2. A Girl Walks Home Alone at Night-- Some girls don't have to be afraid of the dark.  The dark should be afraid of them.
3. Titus-- Uneven, but with so many marks of brilliance, it deserves recognition
4. Salaam Bombay--  A lighthearted film about horrible poverty
5. Persepolis-- What does it mean that three of my chosen films are made by Iranians?
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Bondo on November 17, 2017, 09:40:18 PM
To be fair to Sam, Ladybird isn’t a debut either. :)

On this subject, one film I explored for my list was Waste Land. It is not Lucy Walker's debut film but it is the first film of her co-director. Does having one co-director for whom it is a debut film make it a debut film? If she then did a solo film next would that be a debut film? Or does being a co-director first mean you never debut. I ultimately excluded it. I think co-directing once should not count against a future debut.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Adam on November 17, 2017, 09:50:56 PM
To be fair to Sam, Ladybird isn’t a debut either. :)
The conventional wisdom based on other writing and lists I saw is SOLO debut = debut.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: pixote on November 17, 2017, 10:04:44 PM
To be fair to Sam, Ladybird isn’t a debut either. :)
The conventional wisdom based on other writing and lists I saw is SOLO debut = debut.

Just for fun, I was trying to think of a good counterargument against such conventional wisdom. Chris Weitz is an interesting example. He co-directed Down to Earth (2001) and About a Boy (2002) with brother Paul before making his "solo feature directorial debut" (#saidnooneever) with Golden Compass (2007). And Paul went solo in 2004 with In Good Company.

pixote
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Adam on November 17, 2017, 10:25:55 PM
To be fair to Sam, Ladybird isn’t a debut either. :)
The conventional wisdom based on other writing and lists I saw is SOLO debut = debut.

Just for fun, I was trying to think of a good counterargument against such conventional wisdom. Chris Weitz is an interesting example. He co-directed Down to Earth (2001) and About a Boy (2002) with brother Paul before making his "solo feature directorial debut" (#saidnooneever) with Golden Compass (2007). And Paul went solo in 2004 with In Good Company.

pixote
If Joel Coen truly ever directs a movie without Ethan Coen, that would be its own separate debut from Blood Simple.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: 1SO on November 17, 2017, 10:44:17 PM
I went thru Adam's Letterboxd list and then sorted by my Ratings and here's my Top 10.

(https://imgur.com/X8Kqpw2.jpg)


My favorite SOLO debut not listed is Kathryn Bigelow's Near Dark, which is Great!
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Adam on November 18, 2017, 09:00:12 AM
My favorite SOLO debut not listed is Kathryn Bigelow's Near Dark, which is Great!
list updated
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: DarkeningHumour on November 20, 2017, 06:03:00 AM
I cannot come up with five movies I like. I scrolled through Adam's Letterboxd list and I've seen three of those, like one. I'm thinking about watching Near Dark this week (bonus Shocktober points). Maybe Monster too, and I have to get to Raw sometime.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Bondo on November 25, 2017, 08:02:57 PM
Eliza Hittman maybe deserved some buzz for this Top 5 on the basis of It Felt Like Love.
Title: Re: #657: Lady Bird / Justice League / Top 5 Female-Directed Debuts
Post by: Adam on November 25, 2017, 10:48:42 PM
Eliza Hittman maybe deserved some buzz for this Top 5 on the basis of It Felt Like Love.
Added to the list. Which is the most I can say about it unfortunately.