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Title: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on February 15, 2018, 12:43:36 AM
As outlined in the FAQ, films are eligible up to a three-year period, starting with their first theatrical release, but with five limiting factors. Films are no longer eligible in subsequent years after any of the following occur:

1) The film gains a wide theatrical release in the US (playing simultaneously on more than 100 or so screens).

2) The film debuts on DVD in the US.

3) The film earns a Filmspot nomination.

4) The film is a made-for-tv film and airs on US television.

5) The film's US rights are exclusively owned by a streaming service (such as Netflix) and the film premieres on that service.

(See here (http://www.filmspotting.net/boards/index.php?topic=5204.msg381651#msg381651) for the origin of these guidelines.)

I'll keep track of films with questionable eligibility below.

pixote



ELIGIBLE

Film 2017 VotersAvailability
AntipornogoodguyAvailable on Amazon (Mubi Package)
AvagoodguyAvailable on Amazon
Bad Geniusphilip918
Big Big Worldgoodguy
Birdboy: The Forgotten ChildrenUS DVD Release; March 13, 2018
Citizen ScheinKnocked Out Loaded
Close-Knitroujin
CustodyFLYmeatwad
DisobedienceKnocked Out LoadedUS Theatrical Release: April 27, 2018
The Dreamed Pathgoodguy
DuckweedroujinAvailable on Amazon Prime
Europe, She Lovesgoodguy
Faces Places1SO, george96, pixote, TeprocUS DVD Release: March 6, 2018
Flesh and Blood¡Keith!Available on Amazon
GeminiFLYmeatwadUS Theatrical Release: March 30, 2018
The Girl Without HandsgoodguyUS DVD Release: February 20, 2018
God's Own CountrypixoteUS DVD Release: January 30, 2018
Have a Nice DayFLYmeatwadUS Theatrical Release: January 26, 2018
Hostilessdb_1970US Theatrical Release (Wide): January 26, 2018
In the FadeKnocked Out Loaded, sdb_1970       US Theatrical Release (Wide): December 27, 2017
La Vendedora de fosforosroujin
The Last Familygoodguy
Let the Sun Shine InKnocked Out Loaded
LovelessDrWade42, TeprocUS Theatrical Release: February 16, 2018
The Mole Song: Hong Kong CapriccioDave the Necrobumper
My Entire High School is Sinking into the Sea       Dave the NecrobumperUS DVD Release: January 23, 2018
NocturamaTeprocUS DVD Release: February 27, 2018
On Body and SoulDrWade42, FLYmeatwadNetflix Release: February 21, 2018
On the Beach at Night AloneDrWade42, goodguy, roujin
Our Time Will Comephilip918
Paddington 2Dave the NecrobumperUS Theatrical Release: January 12, 2018
The Paris OperaTeprocUS DVD Release: March 6, 2018
Peter Handke: In the Woods, Might Be Lategoodguy
School LifepixoteAvailable on Hulu
78/52: Hitchcock's Shower ScenekarlwinslowUS DVD Release: February 27, 2018
Small Town Killerschardy999
Tschickchardy999
24 FramesKnocked Out LoadedUS Theatrical Release: February 2, 2018
You Were Never Really HereKnocked Out LoadedUS Theatrical Release: April 6, 2018



INELIGIBLE

30 for 30: Nature Boy
Abacus: Small Enough To Jail
Alien: Covenant
All These Sleepless Nights
AlphaGo
Antarctica: Ice and the Sky
Aquarius
Atomic Blonde
Ausma
Baahubali 2: The Conclusion
Baby Driver
The Bad Batch
Battle of the Sexes
Beach Rats
Beatriz at Dinner
Beauty and the Beast
The Beguiled
Best and Most Beautiful Things
The Big Sick
The Blackcoat's Daughter
Blade Runner 2049
BPM (Beats Per Minute)
The Brand New Testament
Bright Lights: Starring Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds
Brigsby Bear
Call Me by Your Name
City of Ghosts
Cloro
Closet Monster
Coco
Colossal
Columbus
A Cure for Wellness
A Dark Song
Darkest Hour
Dawson City: Frozen Time
The Death of Louis XIV
The Defiant Ones
Demi Lovato: Simply Complicated
Demon
Detroit
Dheepan
The Disaster Artist
Downsizing
Dunkirk
Evolution
Fire at Sea
The Florida Project
For the Plasma
Frantz
Get Out
Ghost in the Shell
A Ghost Story
Gimme Danger
Girl Asleep
The Girl with All the Gifts
Girls Trip
The Glass Castle
Good Time
Graduation
Great Choice
The Greatest Showman
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
Happy Death Day
Hermia & Helena
Hidden Figures
The Hitman's Bodyguard
Holy Hell
Homo sapiens
Hounds of Love
I Am Not Your Negro
I Called Him Morgan
I Don’t Feel at Home in This World Anymore
I, Tonya
Icarus
Ingrid Goes West
It
It Comes at Night
It's Only the End of the World
Jerry Before Seinfeld
Jim & Andy: The Great Beyond
John From
John Wick: Chapter Two
Julieta
Kaatru Veliyidai
Kaili Blues
Kedi
The Killing of a Sacred Deer
Kong: Skull Island
Krisha
Lady Bird
Lady Macbeth
Landline
The LEGO Batman Movie
Lemon
The Little Hours
Logan
Logan Lucky
Losing Sight of Shore
The Lost City of Z
LOU
Love
The Love Witch
LoveTrue
Loving Vincent
Lucky
The Lure
Marjorie Prime
Menashe
The Meyerowitz Stories (New and Selected)
Molly's Game
Mother!
Mudbound
My Cousin Rachel
My Life as a Zucchini
The Nile Hilton Incident
Okja
Once Upon a Line
One More Time with Feeling
Paris 05:59: Theo + Hugo
Paterson
Person to Person
Personal Shopper
Phantom Thread
The Post
A Quiet Passion
Rat Film
Raw
The Red Turtle
The Salesman
Score: A Film Music Documentary
The Shape of Water
Silence
Song to Song
Spa Night
Spider-Man: Homecoming
Split
The Square
Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Stefan Zweig: Farewell to Europe
Stronger
Suburbicon
Tanna
Their Finest
Thelma
Things to Come
Thor: Ragnarok
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
Tickled
To the Bone
Tomorrow
Train to Busan
Trouble No More
20th Century Women
Under the Shadow
The Unknown Girl
Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets
The Villainess
War for the Planet of the Apes
Wheelman
Whose Streets?
Wild
Wind River
Wonder
Wonder Woman
Wonderstruck
The Work
The Wound
Your Name.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on February 15, 2018, 12:48:10 AM
I got a little more strict this year in determining re-eligibility, basically using the more arbitrary guideline of "was this film readily available to be seen in time for voting in 2017?". Let me know if you say anything in either the Eligible or the Ineligible list that seems out of place.

Also let me know if any of the Eligible titles become readily available somewhere.

For my part, I'd like to encourage people to watch School Life on Hulu, a pleasant portrait of teachers and students at an Irish boarding school. (It's also available to rent digitally at sites like Amazon.)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Bondo on February 15, 2018, 07:58:15 AM
I think Nocturama's the only carryover I've seen, so that makes things tidy for me (especially since I'm not gonna be picking it for anything). I was curious about it since I watched it on Netflix in November. Is the point of making the criteria not appearance on Netflix (or similar) generally but being an "exclusive" is that if it is actually a Netflix exclusive branded film that is the extent of its distribution whereas a film that simply is streaming on Netflix but is not exclusive could then expand wider at a later point (on DVD or other streaming)?

I am seeing Faces Places in the theatre on Monday!
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 15, 2018, 07:58:24 AM
Which Ava? Both would be Debut Features...

Ava (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt7259986/)
Ava (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6194530/)
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Teproc on February 15, 2018, 08:34:26 AM
I would guess the latter (directed by Léa Mysius), as I seem to remember goodguy giving it good rating on Letterbox'd (and it looks like he hasn't logged the other one at all).
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 15, 2018, 08:38:55 AM
I would guess the latter (directed by Léa Mysius), as I seem to remember goodguy giving it good rating on Letterbox'd (and it looks like he hasn't logged the other one at all).

Thanks Teproc, good investigating!
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: goodguy on February 15, 2018, 12:29:17 PM
Yes, Teproc is right. And I always include IMDb links on my Personal Ballot to avoid such confusion.

But that other Ava looks interesting as well. Would be fun to have two films with the same title nominated. Has that happened before?

Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on February 15, 2018, 01:08:46 PM
I think Nocturama's the only carryover I've seen, so that makes things tidy for me (especially since I'm not gonna be picking it for anything). I was curious about it since I watched it on Netflix in November. Is the point of making the criteria not appearance on Netflix (or similar) generally but being an "exclusive" is that if it is actually a Netflix exclusive branded film that is the extent of its distribution whereas a film that simply is streaming on Netflix but is not exclusive could then expand wider at a later point (on DVD or other streaming)?

Hmm, yeah, that's a tricky one. I didn't realize Nocturama had been on Netflix. Here's the full list of titles I marked as ineligible due to Netflix/Amazon availability:

AlphaGo
Graduation
Hounds of Love
I Don’t Feel at Home in This World Anymore
Icarus
Jerry Before Seinfeld
Jim & Andy: The Great Beyond
Kaatru Veliyidai
Krisha
Landline
Losing Sight of Shore
LoveTrue
The Meyerowitz Stories (New and Selected)
Mudbound
Okja
Rat Film
To the Bone
The Villainess
Wheelman
Wild

For some of those, I'd consider changing their status to eligible if they receive a separate DVD release in 2018. If that makes any sense.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 15, 2018, 01:10:51 PM
I would argue Netflix exclusive movies, i.e. Mudbound, Meyerowitz Stories, etc., should only be eligible in the year in which they become available on the platform. It is difficult to know when other things are added and made available., like Nocturama.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on February 15, 2018, 01:14:15 PM
I would argue Netflix exclusive movies, i.e. Mudbound, Meyerowitz Stories, etc., should only be eligible in the year in which they become available on the platform. It is difficult to know when other things are added and made available., like Nocturama.

Yeah, that's the current guideline, with Netflix movies mirroring eligibility for HBO movies. Amazon makes things tricky, though, especially with their A24 partnership. Basically I'm just trying to reduce clutter this year by applying the logic test of "is there really a likelihood that this film will gain viewers this year?" ... which is easier said than done.

I watched My Entire High School Sinking Into the Sea last night, so I'm doing my part!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: goodguy on February 15, 2018, 01:32:03 PM
Here's the full list of titles I marked as ineligible due to Netflix/Amazon availability:
...

That list doesn't include Ausma which you marked as ineligible. Could you clarify?

Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 15, 2018, 01:34:42 PM
Looks like Ausma was initially released in 2015, which, given the Filmspot three year window, would render it ineligible in 2018. It was eligible in 2015, 2016, and 2017 was it's final year of eligibility, regardless of availability.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: goodguy on February 15, 2018, 01:44:27 PM
D'oh! I was just doing the plus 3, but forgot about 2015 itself.

Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Bondo on February 15, 2018, 08:27:32 PM
Hmm, yeah, that's a tricky one. I didn't realize Nocturama had been on Netflix. Here's the full list of titles I marked as ineligible due to Netflix/Amazon availability:

Rat Film

I don't think digital rentals should count as availability. Just Amazon Prime/Netflix Instant. Digital rentals are an option of last resort for me in any event. Fine for catching up on actual nominees, but almost never something I seek out. Digital rentals are the streaming equivalent of a film that releases on 50 screens. Prime/Netflix (but not Hulu IMO, just on my perception of their relative subscriber bases and the fact I don't subscribe) are more like 100+ screens.

P.S. Is there a trend toward films simply not getting DVD releases? I have so many films in my Netflix DVD queue that I've had there for years with no sign of a DVD release. Admittedly I haven't checked if some have gotten digital releases (some of the newer ones certainly have), but it seems weird that any film wouldn't get at least a digital release in this day and age, no matter how obscure.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on February 16, 2018, 12:42:10 PM
I don't think digital rentals should count as availability. Just Amazon Prime/Netflix Instant.

That used to be my approach, but I feel like it generated a lot of FYC clutter with respect to films that were already as readily available as they were ever going to get. But if a movie like Rat Film appears in the new release section of my local video store this summer, we can definitely revisit its eligibility.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 22, 2018, 02:20:03 PM
I assume The Breadwinner is 2018 eligible? Now streaming on Netflix US.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on February 22, 2018, 02:24:07 PM
I assume The Breadwinner is 2018 eligible? Now streaming on Netflix US.

'Tis! Though with Isle of Dogs coming out, the Animated Film category is somewhat extraneous this year.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: ¡Keith! on February 22, 2018, 02:36:02 PM
I assume The Breadwinner is 2018 eligible? Now streaming on Netflix US.

'Tis! Though with Isle of Dogs coming out, the Animated Film category is somewhat extraneous this year.

pixote

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Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Corndog on February 22, 2018, 02:49:05 PM
No Incredibles 2 love?
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: 1SO on February 22, 2018, 03:39:57 PM
We should post a Deathmatch before either film is released. See which has higher expectations.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: goodguy on May 06, 2018, 05:42:50 PM
It was eligible in 2015, 2016, and 2017 was it's final year of eligibility, regardless of availability.

I guess the same applies to Birdboy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5004766/) (2015), which had its first limited runs in 2017 and only now becomes a little more widely available via home video releases (US: March, France: June). What a shame.

Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on May 06, 2018, 09:47:26 PM
It was eligible in 2015, 2016, and 2017 was it's final year of eligibility, regardless of availability.

I guess the same applies to Birdboy (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt5004766/) (2015), which had its first limited runs in 2017 and only now becomes a little more widely available via home video releases (US: March, France: June). What a shame.

Actually, historically I've ignored the initial year of release in circumstances like these, where the listed screenings were limited to festival screenings and the film didn't receive official release in its country of origin until a subsequent year. So Birdboy is eligible for 2018.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: oldkid on March 30, 2019, 12:31:17 AM
I have questions about Mary Poppins Returns and Night is Long, Walk on Girl for 2019
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Bondo on March 30, 2019, 08:39:49 AM
Mary Poppins definitely isn’t as it had wide release for two weekends in 2018. Looks like Night is Short had tiny theatrical release with DVD release in January so should be eligible.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: 1SO on March 30, 2019, 10:09:40 AM
Curious oldkid about what in Poppins you would’ve nominated?
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: pixote on March 30, 2019, 04:21:18 PM
Ill try to get the 2019 eligibility thread up soon.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: oldkid on April 01, 2019, 01:15:39 PM
Curious oldkid about what in Poppins you would’ve nominated?

Emily Blunt, art direction
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: 1SO on April 01, 2019, 09:47:23 PM
Thanks. Nothing else to add since I suggested it for nearly everything. Just wanted to know what worked best for you.
Title: Re: Filmspots 2018: Eligibility Questions
Post by: Bondo on April 08, 2019, 07:48:49 PM
I'm guessing The Tale is not going to be eligible this year. While it hasn't had a theatrical or DVD release, it got its HBO premiere last May and doesn't seem slated for any further expansion. I blame Game of Thrones for taking a year off and thus me not having an HBO month last year.