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Title: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: FLYmeatwad on April 14, 2018, 03:28:26 PM
Figured I'd make a spoiler thread, I'm going to do my Letterboxd thing with it later or whatever since it's still raw, so I'll just start with a general question that I kept coming back to during the viewing: Is You Were Never Really Here #FratBoyCinema ?

I'd have to look at the dates and everything, but I would assume it's the first 'great' entry in the #FBC canon since Drive, though I feel like this won't reach as far as the NWR film because the style here and overall way it has the central character grapple with his inner turmoil and trauma is too overt to entirely glorify in the way one can while ignoring the actual menace of Gosling's Driver. But it has a number of characteristics of #FBC and I think does make a strong case for standing atop the mountain, so to speak. There are deeper questions about it and #FBC at large I'd like to explore, namely how Ramsay situates herself in the larger conversation and how big of an influence NWR's film had on this one (I get the Taxi Driver comparisons as well, and I think it can be argued that film is also #FBC though I'm trying to focus on comparing this to other good films), but not in the mood for that at the present moment. Also need to make a list or something and see if Ramsay is the first woman to make a bonafide #FBC film, and what that may say especially if this one does somehow reverberate in the way that Drive has in the years since its release (it won't, but still...). Also, this film's also really good.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: DarkeningHumour on May 23, 2018, 05:31:34 AM
What the dickens is frat boy cinema?
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 08, 2018, 06:09:36 PM
I'm looking for podcast guests to launch this thing. But let's just say, we all know exactly what the dickens #FBC is.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 10, 2018, 07:59:02 AM
I don't.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 10, 2018, 12:51:59 PM
I don't.

I'll let you know when episode one goes live as I too attempt to fully define and explore the #FBC landscape.

But, at risk of exposing too much of my grand cinematic theory, #FBC would contain films such as:

Pulp Fiction
Drive
Fight Club
Boondock Saints
Animal House (?)
etc.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: Jeff Schroeck on June 10, 2018, 03:00:30 PM
Would you put Memento on there, too?
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 10, 2018, 04:33:56 PM
I would tend to lean closer to yes, TDK for sure is in there, but I have to watch Memento. Hard to get excited for the husk of humanity that is Christopher Nofun. He definitely seems to be a #FBC master, alongside QT.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: 1SO on June 22, 2018, 12:43:10 AM
I'll just start with a general question that I kept coming back to during the viewing: Is You Were Never Really Here #FratBoyCinema ?
No way. It's done in a style to deliberately avoid being #FBC, despite subject matter that heads right for that label. This year's Revenge is more likely #FBC directed by a woman, though the first woman to make a bonafide #FBC film is Kathryn Bigelow with Point Break. Look at the way the violence is directed in Drive. Ramsay steers away from that, keeping it largely focused on Phoenix's face. It's as #FBC as Anton Corbijn's The American, starring George Clooney, which caused an uproar for not being what was advertised. Actually, this is less #FBC than that because American had strong sexuality, while this is about as sexy as a topless Seth Rogen.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: DarkeningHumour on June 22, 2018, 03:29:56 AM
this is about as sexy as a topless Seth Rogen.

I will use this in the future.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 23, 2018, 05:07:46 PM
I'll just start with a general question that I kept coming back to during the viewing: Is You Were Never Really Here #FratBoyCinema ?
No way. It's done in a style to deliberately avoid being #FBC, despite subject matter that heads right for that label. This year's Revenge is more likely #FBC directed by a woman, though the first woman to make a bonafide #FBC film is Kathryn Bigelow with Point Break. Look at the way the violence is directed in Drive. Ramsay steers away from that, keeping it largely focused on Phoenix's face. It's as #FBC as Anton Corbijn's The American, starring George Clooney, which caused an uproar for not being what was advertised. Actually, this is less #FBC than that because American had strong sexuality, while this is about as sexy as a topless Seth Rogen.

Loving everything about this. I haven't seen Revenge (adding it to my list though), though agree that Point Break is actually a really good example of #FBC, but I haven't seen it or been in enough dorm rooms to know if it holds the same status as the heavy hitters of #FBC. I'd have to rewatch this, and likely will at some point before Filmspots, but there is a precision and distance to how the violence happens, especially in comparison to how NWR handles it in Drive. Still, I think that also makes the release of the more in your face moments more effective both in a traditional sense while also working in the way that it can in like a Drive or an Oldboy (also a potential #FBC contender, I guess, but there might be better example of foreign language titles that fit better) because they are all visceral within the language they use while playing to the feel I get from other traditional #FBC titles. I would have to rewatch both, and think they would be fun to put in conversation with one another in the larger #FBC discourse. Taxi Driver (which this drew a lot of comparisons to leading up to release, and has since been overtaken by the more obvious ones that led up to First Reformed) is one that I also get a sense should fit in to #FBC but am not sure it does, though with that I just don't care for it enough to make myself go back and rewatch. I also think that has enough 'classic' cache to at least theoretically slot it in there, regardless of whether or not it belongs.

All in all, you have an open invitation to be a guest on #FBC when it launches, 1SO.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: 1SO on June 23, 2018, 09:54:03 PM
Thank you.

One more thing to think about since you mentioned Oldboy. Spike Lee's remake fits better into the #FBC mold, a case where the end result is more #FBC but a much worse film.
Title: Re: You Were Never Really Here
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 24, 2018, 12:16:17 AM
That's another one that I have to (and should, because I think Ellie O is in it?) watch. I have a fascination with/appreciation of #FBC, though I would say there are plenty of bad films in the genre.