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Title: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2018, 09:32:30 AM
(https://imgur.com/KrE336w.png)


1SO
Apostle (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894366#msg894366)
The Brotherhood of Satan (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893728#msg893728)
Chase a Crooked Shadow (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894309#msg894309)
Cult of Chucky (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894722#msg894722)
Elvira, Mistress of the Dark (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894712#msg894712)
The Haunting of Hill House pt 1 (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894517#msg894517), pt 2 (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894610#msg894610), pt 3 (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894621#msg894621)
Hell Baby (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893920#msg893920)
Island of Lost Souls (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894842#msg894842)
The Last Shark (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893920#msg893920)
Love From a Stranger (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893977#msg893977)
Murder, He Says (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893679#msg893679)
My Cousin Rachel (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894369#msg894369)
The Ninth Guest (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894309#msg894309)
Predators (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894058#msg894058)
Psycho II (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894842#msg894842)
Roar (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894044#msg894044)
Rollercoaster (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894395#msg894395)
Slither (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894119#msg894119)
The Smiling Ghost (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893855#msg893855)
A Study in Terror (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894309#msg894309)

Antares
Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894755#msg894755)
Eyes Without a Face (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894738#msg894738)
Pharaoh's Curse (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894752#msg894752)

Beavermoose
Frailty (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894527#msg894527)
Hereditary (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894249#msg894249)
The Love Witch (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894527#msg894527)
mother! (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893587#msg893587)
A Quiet Place (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894249#msg894249)
Train to Busan (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893756#msg893756)
Unsane (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894527#msg894527)

Bondo
Apostle (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894343#msg894343)
Cat People (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894243#msg894243)
Creep 2 (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893736#msg893736)
The First Purge (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894698#msg894698)
Ghost Stories (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894483#msg894483)
The Girl Without Hands (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893736#msg893736)
Hereditary (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894716#msg894716)
The Terror (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894791#msg894791)
Truth of Dare (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894360#msg894360) (2017)
Truth or Dare (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893126#msg893126) (2018)


Dave the Necrobumper
The Fly (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894311#msg894311) (1958)
Scream (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894240#msg894240)


FLYmeatwad
Goosebumps 2: Haunted Halloween (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894557#msg894557)
Halloween (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894362#msg894362)
Hellraiser (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893871#msg893871)
Jaws (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894204#msg894204)
Knife + Heart (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894626#msg894626)
The Monster Squad (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894244#msg894244)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893780#msg893780) (1984)
Slice (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894337#msg894337)
Tales From the Crypt (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894047#msg894047)


Junior
Apostle
The Bay
Dead Ringers
Demons
The Endless
Haloween
The Howling
Revenge
Terrified
The Thing (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894390#msg894390)

Knocked Out Loaded
The Forest (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894745#msg894745)
Invisible Ghost (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg895025#msg895025)
Sleepwalkers (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894811#msg894811)

oldkid
The Descent (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894524#msg894524)
Les Diaboliques (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893859#msg893859) (1955)
Hereditary (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893578#msg893578)
I Know What You Did Last Summer (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894663#msg894663)
IT! (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894052#msg894052) (2017)
My Soul to Take (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894208#msg894208)
A Nightmare on Elm Street (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894398#msg894398)

Sam the Cinema Snob
The Boy (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893776#msg893776)
A Quiet Place (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894474#msg894474)

Sandy
Alien (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894567#msg894567)
Scream (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894434#msg894434)

smirnoff
Friday the 13th (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg894765#msg894765)
A Quiet Place (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14872.msg893143#msg893143)
Scream (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg893982#msg893982)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2018, 09:35:36 AM
If you're looking for a recommendation:
They Shoot Zombies, Don't They? (http://theyshootzombies.com/ghf1000/1-100/)

1SO's list of Horror Essentials (https://letterboxd.com/1so/list/top-horror/)
1 - 50: They Shoot Zombies Pantheon Picks - Alphabetical
51 - 80: My Additional Essentials - Alphabetical
81 - 111: Top 31 Horror pre-1959 - Ranked
112 - 423: 1959 to 2018 - best of each year (excluding Pantheon)


Sandy's Scale of Scariness.
Quote, Copy and Paste the indicator to the bottom of your review. Feel free to change the label to clarify levels of Tension, Gore and Disturbing Content

(http://imgur.com/mp0Y8Ao.jpg) - Terrifying

(http://imgur.com/CHQMVBZ.jpg) - Really Scary

(http://imgur.com/dlbHWTG.jpg) - Scary

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on September 17, 2018, 03:25:51 PM
I will see if I can get one in this year.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on September 17, 2018, 08:30:23 PM
Truth or Dare (2018)

Watched this a couple days ago, but since at my current rate of movie watching, who knows if I'll get to another horror film for the marathon.

This certainly has potential. The most obvious comparison point is Final Destination, with a supernatural force following this group of youngsters around. But now instead of just seeking to achieve the death it feels itself owed, it makes them play Truth or Dare. Lie and you die, refuse a dare and you die. It actually has the potential to be really morally interesting. There's a bit of a trolley problem nature about the idea of valuing your own life against whatever the cost will be of the truth you have to tell or the dare you are asked to do. While it is hard to imagine a truth worth dying to conceal, one can fathom a few. And the film's strengths are definitely in its truths. Its dares on the other hand generally lack the specificity to be meaningful, though in a few cases they definitely ask the characters to inflate their own value. [Note here that Nerve is a far better handling of dares]. Unfortunately, the film largely ignores the moral question, and in its conclusion spits directly in its face.

In the broader question of "how to survive" it hits in some part on It Follows and, to the extent that series touched on it, Final Destination. It is elaborate and unfulfilling. But maybe the chief failing keeping Truth or Dare from a horror cannon including those two other films, is it quite simply lacks quality kills. If you aren't going to use your horror to speak to me intellectually, at least satisfy my carnal desires that Cabin In The Woods winks at. Final Destination was the king of the quality kill, even as the films got kind of bad. Here it is all so remarkably boring, the dark spirit's go to move might as well be dying peacefully in ones sleep.

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary (mostly for the weird expression people get when the spirit inhabits them)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on September 17, 2018, 08:52:58 PM

Diabolique
Kwaidan
The Descent
The Ghost Breakers
The Innocents
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on September 17, 2018, 08:54:09 PM
Yup, Truth or Dare is a tough watch. With a few tweaks it could have been great.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Antares on September 17, 2018, 08:58:21 PM
Reserved.

I'm thinking about concentrating on the Hammer films of the 50's & 60's.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2018, 09:54:56 PM
at my current rate of movie watching, who knows if I'll get to another horror film for the marathon.
My Watchlist includes another film from the female director on In My Skin (https://letterboxd.com/film/dont-look-back-2009/). I know you weren't a fan of that one, but I'm always keeping an eye out for a female-directed recommendation for you.



I'm thinking about concentrating on the Hammer films of the 50's & 60's.
That's a great niche to explore. Once you learn the formula it becomes like comfort food, and there's an interesting progression from schlocky early titles to later ones that push the buttons while staying fun.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on September 17, 2018, 10:14:27 PM
A Quiet Place (John Krasinski, 2018)        9/10

Wow, this was great. It was great right away and did things to confirm it's greatness all the way through the experience. I had no foreknowledge of any aspect of the film, it just seemed to have generated some positive buzz.

I don't know what there is to say about it except that it was one of the best experiences I've had in a while. I'm especially glad to have avoided the theatre for this film. The moments when the film would drown out the sound of popcorn eaters are few and far between. :-\

I don't know if it quite qualifies as horror... but whatever. :)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on September 17, 2018, 10:18:18 PM
Love it. I rewatched that at home a few months back and it was just as good the second time around. Just really well crafted throughout.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2018, 10:33:12 PM
Scary creatures, Shocks and a merciless Soundtrack or Silence. Definitely Horror.

Not the time to bring you off your high and I do think it's a well-directed film with a fully-committed Emily Blunt. That's what got me to forgive the more improbable aspects of the story. It's the kind of film where it gets you to believe 75% of the birth so you happily lend it the other 25% because the film is much better with it than without it.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2018, 10:43:24 PM
The most likely titles (with Mrs. 1SO)

(https://imgur.com/dQSSe6K.jpg)



Here are 5 Priority Titles, 5 I picked simply because of the title or poster and 5 Rewatches

(https://imgur.com/YQlGQfy.jpg)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on September 17, 2018, 10:47:47 PM
Love it. I rewatched that at home a few months back and it was just as good the second time around. Just really well crafted throughout.

That was my biggest initial surprise. That feeling of being in good hands. I had forgotten who the director was going in, and was only reminded at the end credits. Either way I would've had my doubts, but it was nice to put those doubts aside so early and settle in.

Scary creatures, Shocks and a merciless Soundtrack or Silence. Definitely Horror.

Not the time to bring you off your high and I do think it's a well-directed film with a fully-committed Emily Blunt. That's what got me to forgive the more improbable aspects of the story. It's the kind of film where it gets you to believe 75% of the birth so you happily lend it the other 25% because the film is much better with it than without it.

Yea, this is one of those films I'll have an almost unlimited amount of good-will for. Any plot point or character decision that is questionable, I'll be inclined to spin to the films credit. :)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Smoke on September 18, 2018, 10:15:50 PM
A Quiet Place (John Krasinski, 2018)        9/10

Wow, this was great. It was great right away and did things to confirm it's greatness all the way through the experience. I had no foreknowledge of any aspect of the film, it just seemed to have generated some positive buzz.

I don't know what there is to say about it except that it was one of the best experiences I've had in a while. I'm especially glad to have avoided the theatre for this film. The moments when the film would drown out the sound of popcorn eaters are few and far between. :-\

I don't know if it quite qualifies as horror... but whatever. :)

I saw in a theater and that tension worked to it's advantage. I agree it was a very effective film.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: philip918 on September 19, 2018, 01:29:05 PM
The strangest thing about A Quiet Place is that it might be the most conservative horror film I've ever seen. Unique in a genre that thrives on transgression.

My hope for Shocktober is to catch up on a handful of 2018 releases if possible. My wife doesn't watch horror, so my only real time to watch is early in the morning, which isn't very conducive to horror viewing... So who knows.

Hereditary
Slice
Mandy
Wildling
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on September 19, 2018, 01:46:47 PM
I keep seeing claims that A Quiet Place is conservative but I have yet to see a convincing argument.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: philip918 on September 19, 2018, 01:55:56 PM
A family working against all odds and all rationale to have a baby under the most dire circumstances imaginable.

They're literally introducing a noise machine into a world where sound equals death.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on September 19, 2018, 02:38:23 PM
Right, but how is that conservative except in the way where conservatives have a stranglehold on family values and liberals decidedly don't? That's a dichotomy that I don't buy in the slightest.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: philip918 on September 19, 2018, 03:30:09 PM
I was raised in a very conservative Christian home in a small Midwest town and every detail of this film felt finely tuned to that outlook. I know it when I see it.

A quick search brings up dozens of articles and blog posts making this argument from both progressive, conservative, and Christian sites.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on September 19, 2018, 03:40:41 PM
I'll agree that the movie feels very Midwestern. And the valuing of life is typically understood as a conservative American viewpoint, but that's the part I'm not buying. Conservative Americans are pro-birth, which the movie is as well, but the movie doesn't end when the baby is born. After that, there's a dedication to keeping the child alive, which to my biased eyes reads like a liberal value.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on September 19, 2018, 03:46:56 PM
While I don't think the values of A Quiet Place are strictly conservative, I think the approach to family and the desperate, primal nature of keeping the family whole and of birth caters to that audience. 
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 19, 2018, 04:00:34 PM
Guess I need to get off my butt and see this film now. Been meaning to for a while now.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on September 19, 2018, 04:58:09 PM
While I don't think the values of A Quiet Place are strictly conservative, I think the approach to family and the desperate, primal nature of keeping the family whole and of birth caters to that audience.

I think that's a great way of putting it. Attractive to conservatives but not pushing conservatism. I think It Comes at Night does push conservatism, as a counter example
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on September 19, 2018, 05:16:41 PM
This is my tentative list,

Alien
An American Werewolf in London
Pan's Labyrinth
Scream
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 19, 2018, 05:28:17 PM
Great list, Sandy. None of them are too terrifying in my book. Okay, the first bit of Scream is scary.



Making a list of films based on what I can get streaming. Any that you feel strongly about let me know, one way or the other. Also, if any service has a film you think I really need to see, let me know.

Netflix
The Boy
The Strangers
Chernobyl Diaries
Lodgers
Life After Beth
The Invitation
Teeth
Sharknado
Deep Blue Sea
The Human Centipede
Piranha
Red Dragon
VHS 2

Hulu
Kiss of the Damned
The ABCs of Death
VHS
Raze
Berberian Sound Studio
The Exorcism of Emily Rose
The Hills Have Eyes (1977)
Dressed to Kill
The Amityville Horror (1979)
The Ninth Gate

Amazon
Species
The Monster Squad
The Woman in Black
The Satanic Rites of Dracula
The Killing of a Sacred Deer


Redbox
A Quiet Place
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on September 20, 2018, 09:54:19 PM
I accepted it from a re-population standpoint. Also, it seemed like they had good plan to accomodate a baby... a plan which I believe they would have discussed prior to getting pregnant and not made up after the fact. Even if they did though it was a good plan and showed that it could work.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Beavermoose on September 21, 2018, 03:41:09 AM
Hereditary
A Quiet Place

Game Night
Unsane
Cult of Chucky
Mother!
The Love Witch
Train to Busan
XX
Frailty
The Exorcism of Emily Rose
Apostle
What Lies Beneath
The Endless
Upgrade
Les Affamťs
The Devil's Candy
Ichi the Killer
The Human Centipede 2
The Human Centipede 3
It Comes at Night
The Monster
The Wailing
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 21, 2018, 10:20:46 PM

Diabolique
Kwaidan
The Descent
The Ghost Breakers
The Innocents


This is my tentative list,

Alien
An American Werewolf in London
Pan's Labyrinth
Scream
All Essential Horror though only the first and last make my personal list.


Great list, Sandy. None of them are too terrifying in my book. Okay, the first bit of Scream is scary.
Scream is a horror rollercoaster. The scares are paced to create an exciting funhouse.



Making a list of films based on what I can get streaming. Any that you feel strongly about let me know, one way or the other. Also, if any service has a film you think I really need to see, let me know.

Life After Beth - I thought this was amateur. Easy to abandon well before the finish.
The Invitation - sneaky and good in a unique non-horror way
The Human Centipede - as bad as you'd imagine and the 2nd one is worse. The 3rd film almost makes the time worthwhile, the filmmaker finally gets the tone right. But you can't just skip to it.
Piranha - which one?
Red Dragon - interesting copy of Demme's style to the original story. Nowhere near as good as the Hannibal TV show handling of the story.
VHS 2 - mixed bag with a couple of real special gems.
VHS - same. Talented filmmaking but off-putting misogyny
Berberian Sound Studio - very disappointing. Don't get the praise for this one at all.
Dressed to Kill - If you like DePalma, this is a Masterwork. If not then avoid.
The Woman in Black - which one? The one with Radcliffe is terribly noisy.


Hereditary
A Quiet Place
Game Night - I like that you're including this. It's not really horror, but there are shocks and blood so I'm showing it to Mrs. 1SO.
Unsane
Cult of Chucky - Does this mean you've seen Curse of Chucky? That's one of the Top 3 of the franchise.
The Wailing - Curious to read another opinion on this
Ichi the Killer
The Human Centipede 2
The Human Centipede 3
These last three belong together, away from the others. That said, I'm not sure I could stand to watch them all on the same day.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on September 21, 2018, 10:55:17 PM
Berberian Sound Studio-- I agree with most of what 1SO says above, but strongly disagree with him on this one.  It is not scary, but this is a unique presentation of cinema.  Weird, in a fun way.

Sandy's list is a classic list and I can't wait to hear what she says about all these films.

Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on September 22, 2018, 06:57:11 AM
Red Dragon > Silence of the Lambs
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on September 22, 2018, 09:24:12 AM
Piranha - which one?
The Woman in Black - which one? The one with Radcliffe is terribly noisy.
1978 and 2012
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Beavermoose on September 22, 2018, 11:03:15 PM
Cult of Chucky - Does this mean you've seen Curse of Chucky? That's one of the Top 3 of the franchise.

I liked Curse as well. Goes back to the more serious tone after the meta-humour of Bride and Seed.
I'd rank 'em something like this:
CP1>Bride>Curse>CP2>CP3>Seed
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 22, 2018, 11:43:28 PM
Red Dragon > Silence of the Lambs
Of course everyone has their own opinion, but if I said this was a lie I believe no jury would rule against me.


Piranha - which one?
The Woman in Black - which one? The one with Radcliffe is terribly noisy.
1978 and 2012
I've been debating rewatching the 1978 Piranha. Haven't seen it since I was a kid.


I liked Curse as well. Goes back to the more serious tone after the meta-humour of Bride and Seed.
I'd rank 'em something like this:
CP1>Bride>Curse>CP2>CP3>Seed
I'm close to that.
Bride>Curse>CP1>Seed>CP2

Haven't seen CP3 yet, but it's in my Marathon.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on September 26, 2018, 12:50:09 AM
Great list, Sandy. None of them are too terrifying in my book. Okay, the first bit of Scream is scary.

Daytime watching it is, then!

This is my tentative list,

Alien
An American Werewolf in London
Pan's Labyrinth
Scream

All Essential Horror though only the first and last make my personal list.

I'll prioritize those.

Great list, Sandy. None of them are too terrifying in my book. Okay, the first bit of Scream is scary.
Scream is a horror rollercoaster. The scares are paced to create an exciting funhouse.

(https://i.imgur.com/YWAJxpm.jpg)



Sandy's list is a classic list and I can't wait to hear what she says about all these films.

I hope I can do them justice. :)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: philip918 on September 26, 2018, 01:23:18 PM
Red Dragon > Silence of the Lambs
Of course everyone has their own opinion, but if I said this was a lie I believe no jury would rule against me.

They might even send you to the Baltimore State Hospital for the Criminally Insane.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on September 26, 2018, 05:30:19 PM
Heredity

Most of us think of a horror movie as being frightening, but there are a whole variety of responses we could have.  Horror, as a genre, could be frightening, could be funny, could be creepy, could evoke dread, could be evocative of horror tropes.  Heredity, however, is one of a handful of horror films that truly is simply horror-ful.  More than inspiring fear, it made me sick, full of horror at the events rolling out in front of me.  At moments, I  honestly felt nauseous, not because of any grotesque scene, but because everything happening was like a number of punches in my gut.

Although the first scene places the film in 2018, the look of the presentation seemed very 70s, with a bit of fuzz in the picture and the reds a bit saturated. That is simply the beginning of the disorientation. I was jarred again and again with horrible accidents, horrible family relations, horrible mental illness, horrible spiritual events.  It builds up, a pile of discomfort to a crescendo of disgust.

I honestly can't recommend this film, but I can say that it is very successful.  The soundtrack, although seemingly cliche at the beginning, adds to the overall unease, along with the cinematography and acting. All excellently presented to make one of the most jarring cinematic experiences.

4/5

Post Script-- After the film, I went immediately to Facebook to get some normalcy from my friends.  One of the first things I saw is that the body of a 87-year old customer of my wife was found in the car of a three-time sex offender after being missing for six days.  A meme reminding me about the baby with his homeless mother having frozen to death in Portland last year.  And another accusation of sexual assault against the nominee to the Supreme Court.  Horror isn't just in the movies.  I want to go to bed. And stay there.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Beavermoose on September 27, 2018, 12:54:16 AM
Mother! - Yeah, we get it Aronofsky women are constantly in emotional distress... It wasn't awful but felt like it was just a bunch of other better movies slapped together without any consideration for coherence. It's not doing anything really new or interesting. I would have rather seen another The Wrestler than another Rosemary's Baby meets Perfect Blue.

PS: Finally finished watch all of last year's filmspot noms with this one, I would not have voted for it...
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 27, 2018, 01:25:36 AM
I wonder if there will come a time when people will settle on a general opinion towards mother! Has to be one of the Top 5 most divisive films of my lifetime (though not as loudly expressed as The Last Jedi.)


oldkid, if I had your postscript of real life horror it might derail my Shocktober cheer.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on September 27, 2018, 07:35:52 PM
I imagine the ship has sailed, so to speak, but Johnny K's character in A Quiet Place very much pushes for, even with the world gone to shit, a traditional familial structure. Daughter has to stay home, son has to fish and hunt. There's definitely the pro-life angle as well, and the even more ridiculous decision to have a child in that world to begin with/putting yourself in a position where that's even a possibility is which is perhaps the most nonsensical part of the film and its biggest weakness, but even though I don't think this film is hard Conservative there are certainly plenty of elements. Likely even more, if I went back looking, but it's not something I think I'll revisit for a very long time, if at all.

I want to watch Halloween and Nightmare on Elm Street for this marathon. And the new Halloween, probably, though may save that sucker for the 31st.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 28, 2018, 09:37:57 PM
(https://imgur.com/9L76uTR.jpg)
Murder, He Says (1945)
"It's like looking for a needle in a slaughter house."

Fred MacMurray gets trapped in a house with a family of murderous hillbillies. I was expecting something along the lines of Arsenic and Old Lace, but read one review that mentioned The Texas Chainsaw Massacre. This doesn't have the chainsaw, but it does have the innocent hero unable to escape a family that all suffer from a different form of crazy. More specifically, there are bones on the wall, a kindly father who is one of the worst of the bunch and a grandparent who may or may not be dead. I wouldn't be surprised to learn Tobe Hooper was influenced by this movie, though he took things in a ghastly different direction while this is more of a dark screwball comedy.

(https://imgur.com/2T7W5yl.jpg)

MacMurray throws himself into the part full force, probably to keep from being upstaged by the family. (Marjorie Main plays the mother, who carries a whip everywhere she goes.) There are moments that work and a half-dozen laughs, but it doesn't breathe the same air as Arsenic and Old Lace. That film was full of characters I enjoyed spending time with. Most of the gang here I was going to be happy to finally get away from.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ


(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 30, 2018, 09:26:35 AM
(https://imgur.com/jr8gyZ5.jpg)
The Brotherhood of Satan (1971)

I know my view of Horror films is tainted by the quantity of mundane pictures I've seen, and I'm coming off a particular double whammy of a lackluster Dracula adaptation followed by another typical Mummy movie. So, finding something refreshingly different is more likely to hit the spot with me. The director only made one other Horror film, The Return of Dracula, which I also liked (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=13986.msg892150#msg892150). That was more of a gritty, naturalistic tale while this one runs over with the kind of images that stick in the brain.

(https://imgur.com/PmH4uoN.jpg)

I expected the weirdness to settle in as everything was explained, but the film manages to keep off-kilter just enough to where even the ending is more unusual than climactic. High on that list is casting goofball character actor Strother Martin as the leader of a Satan-worshiping cult. It shouldn't work, Martin has never posed a threat in any film, but here he's the imposing leader who is also clearly Lucifer's puppet in a larger plan. There's also a lengthy dream sequence in the middle that seems to be cut from the strongest imagery they couldn't fit into the main story. It draws out the pace, but adds so much to the mood. This is what holds it back from being a true discovery. It's surreal moments of power can't transcend the more mundane scenes of people trying to figure out what's happening. No real scares, but quite memorable.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay


(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on September 30, 2018, 08:43:04 PM
The Girl Without Hands (2016)

Based on a Grimm tale, this might not quite qualify as horror, but it is on the darker side of fairy tale to be sure. An animated film out of France, it is curious that this is released by the GKids since it isn't really a kids film. Drawn in crude watercolor, with lines evoking characters often in ethereal ways, it makes the darkness a bit less intense. It opens with a miller fallen on hard times encountering a demon who promises boundless riches in exchange for "what stands beyond the mill," which the miller believes is a reference to an orchard. Anyone knowledgable with fairy tales or moral tales of this nature knows these deals never come without a cost, and it turns out the demon was actually referring to the miller's daughter. Legal standards of contract be damned, in the miller we see someone willing to sell his daughter for money while the demon is willing to similarly commodify her. The way she loses her hands is just a more visceral proof of this.

This isn't always the clearest morality play but it ultimately involves a lot about her self-sufficiency and in a sense, from the male character perspective, about earning consent. Good messages if not always the best messenger.

Creep 2 (2017)

Having not liked Creep, the only thing that enticed me into watching the sequel was Desiree Akhavan, whose Appropriate Behavior was an interesting directorial debut (also starring her), and I'm also intrigued by The Miseducation of Cameron Post coming up. I do think the interplay between Mark Duplass and Akhavan here takes it to a vastly higher level than the first with dueling motivations, importantly for Sara (Akhavan) that explain her pushing through red flags.

This did raise a certain general concern however. There is a general sense where I figure there should be equality in nudity so that it doesn't just serve the purpose of appeasing a male gaze. Yet at the same time, some male nudity, especially when it involves a man with creative control of the project, can feel a lot like a flasher in the park. Especially given what has since come out about him, Louis CK's nudity in Lucky Louie feels salacious. I rarely get this feeling about female nudity where the actress has creative control (such as Akhavan's debut). I guess what I'm saying is Duplass is co-writer and co-producer in this venture and his penis was uncalled for.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on September 30, 2018, 09:09:15 PM
Creep 2 is on my Watchlist. I liked the first one, but it didn't stick out as one to come back to so I'm in no rush to watch a sequel.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Beavermoose on October 01, 2018, 04:40:08 AM
Train to Busan

Isn't there another Korean "need to get to the front of the train" movie.
I guess I'm glad that the characters are likable and actually use both brawn and brains to fight against the zombies instead of being hopeless horror movie victims but the movie itself is pretty run of the mill with surface level social commentary. "The big corporation funded the virus. Oh my!" I did like the way the zombies moved and looked though. That was great.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 01, 2018, 05:54:36 PM
The Boy (2016)

(https://i.imgur.com/WdeLIoz.jpg)

If you distilled horror to its core idea, it would be the idea of fear. And while fear is a core concept of the genre, one could argue that even more than fear it is a genre about trauma. The best horror stories often come with traumatic pasts attached; whether it be the story told around the campfire of the boy who drowned in Crystal Lake or what horrible event casted a shadow over the haunted mansion. The Boy is intriguing in that it deals with the trauma of the past but positions itself as a story where the line between what is true and what is ďpub talkĒ isnít always clear.

Greta Evans (Lauren Cohan) is an American running away from her own problems who ends up working as a nanny for Mr. (Jim Norton) and Mrs. Heelshire (Diana Hardcastle), a couple whose ďchildĒ is a doll theyíve named after their deceased son, Brahams. The couple leaves on holiday, insisting Greta stay with Brahms at all times, her only face-to-face contact with the outside world being the grocer Malcolm (Rupert Evans) who tries to fill her in on rumors surrounding Brahmsís life and death.

The core trauma of the story exposes the long strains of denial of grief in a couple who have become attached to an unsettling dark fantasy. Brahms the doll works fantastically as a object of abject horror because he physically is deadened: the eyes glossed over, the face porcelain, and the body motionless. But it also represents how Mrs. Heelshire stills views him: as this pristine good child: immaculately dressed, clean and spotless.

As an image, the symbol of horror works fantastically and makes it more than just a creepy doll story. Itís the idea attached, the concept and the story that unfolds behind the family and Brahms that makes it even more unsettling. But itís also not a fright a minute story with lots of downtime and slowly building sequences throughout.

The film takes its time to push things forward, a good chunk of the film dedicated to Malcolm trying to coax Greta out of her shell. Itís fortunate that Lauren Cohan and Rupert Evans have decent chemistry together and that the dialogue avoids being too forceful or cheesy. The two leads come across as genuine people stuck in a strange horror story who generally behave as human beings instead of typical horror fodder.

As horror films go, this one was a delightful surprise. The conciete could have been silly or overwrought, the emotional beats could have been too melodramatic, and the film could have gone for a lot more cheap scares. Instead, itís a film with a lot of restraint and a lot of setup for a solid payoff.

If anything bad must be said, itís that The Boy is not the kind of horror film that will be talked about for years to come. Itís a testament to the strength of the genreís best works that this film being consistently solid is not enough. Films like The Witch, It Follows, Under the Skin, The Neon Demon, 10 Cloverfield Lane and countless others from the past 5 years all stand as films executed with a cinematic flourish and excellence that is missing here. Itís a decent watch for any horror fan, but casual horror watchers have many better contemporary horror films to see before The Boy.

Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 01, 2018, 09:00:10 PM
A Nightmare On Elm Street

Gives me a new appreciation for Scream if nothing else, but even outside of that there's stuff to like here. Only really being familiar with modern Craven, I get why his name carries so much weight, and I appreciate that he uses the jump scares sparingly towards the end. The acting...well, maybe it's just the style of the time, but some of it got rough, even if it was nuts to see such a little Johnny Depp. Still, that doesn't take away from some sharp visuals and some fascinating murder set pieces. Cool to see Fred officially be referred to as Freddy later on, but would have liked to have that saved for a sequel. Not huge on the really ridiculous surprise/twist/whatever ending, though I did really like the car and was happy they didn't just resolve everything all neat and tidy, and not sure that the way dreams and reality blended completely worked, but still worth the experience.

On a scale of scary I give this a - (https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/HEYAAOSw8apZgp9w/s-l300.jpg)

Hoping to hit Halloween and Friday The 13th at some point too, at least getting a taste for the first entry in these touchstone franchises, and maybe further explore from there. Am I missing anything, or are these the big ones?
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 01, 2018, 09:28:58 PM
Nightmare on Elm Street maybe?
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 01, 2018, 09:32:26 PM
Nightmare on Elm Street maybe?

I just did that one in the above review, that's how I kicked off Shocktober  :P
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 01, 2018, 09:48:28 PM
Hoping to hit Halloween and Friday The 13th at some point too, at least getting a taste for the first entry in these touchstone franchises, and maybe further explore from there. Am I missing anything, or are these the big ones?
Alien
Hellraiser
Jaws
Night of the Living Dead
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 01, 2018, 10:10:15 PM
Nightmare on Elm Street maybe?

I just did that one in the above review, that's how I kicked off Shocktober  :P

Oops, I was blinded by RL Stine I think.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 02, 2018, 07:37:03 PM
Hoping to hit Halloween and Friday The 13th at some point too, at least getting a taste for the first entry in these touchstone franchises, and maybe further explore from there. Am I missing anything, or are these the big ones?
Alien
Hellraiser
Jaws
Night of the Living Dead

Alien I should definitely do, and Hellraiser probably (did this spawn a storied franchise?), Jaws I've seen before though when I was younger and didn't have the burning hatred for S. Spielberg that I currently do, so perhaps it's worth a rewatch. NotLD I've tried to watch three or four different times in the past 10 or 11 years and never made it farther than 30 minutes or so. Maybe I'll tough that one out.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 03, 2018, 03:55:31 PM
(https://imgur.com/sIKh7vr.jpg)
The Smiling Ghost (1941)
"Clarence, don't tell me you're afraid."
"I ain't afraid, but my feet ain't gonna stand around and see my body abused."


Mrs 1SO's morning Shocktober movies so far have been lighthearted selections from Warner Bros. This is the best of the bunch, perhaps the 2nd best of its type only to The Ghost Breakers. (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=10545.msg636779#msg636779) The story involves a serial killer that targets the boyfriends of a socialite (Alexis Smith) and is believed to be the ghost of her first fiancee. The cast includes Wayne Morris, Alan Hale and Willie Best.

Morris has a country bumpkin personality that's quickly grown on me. I wouldn't have thought of him as a lead except for his good looks, but he can carry a film and his overdone niceness balances out the spooky atmosphere very well. Alan Hale (Adv. of Robin Hood) is simply a treasure and his streetwise butler is further proof of this. Willie Best (also seen the Ghost Breakers) will be problematic for some because he's part of a tradition of African-American comedians, but unlike others of this type, he's genuinely funny, doesn't lean on the negative stereotype and the racist jokes in the script are minimal.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay


(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 03, 2018, 05:31:53 PM
Les Diaboliques (1955)

Christina is a long-suffering wife, paying for her husband's affairs, as well as their mutual business, a boarding school. She has had enough and rather than divorcing him, she decides to kill him with his mistress, Nichole.  That's a fine beginning for a Hitchcockian film, and it is enough to get me enthusiastic about where this film is going.

Frankly, if this had been a Hitchcock film, I wouldn't have been surprised.  It is a Gothic, a thriller, a puzzle, a psychological mystery, and it is a lot of fun.  The direction is excellent, as is the acting and cinematography.  Frankly, the only weakness I find in this film is calling it "horror".  There is a scene or two that one might label influenced by that genre, but it is misleading to call it that, let alone put on a "best of horror" list. 

Still, I highly recommend it.  Sandy, if you were thinking of adding a very "safe for Sandy" film that is listed as one of the great horror films, this would be a good one.  I think it's right up your alley.

4/5
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 03, 2018, 10:04:20 PM
Hellraiser

Turns out this is a franchise and there are like nine of these things! I knew that there was Mr. Pin, he's been everywhere, but apparently not in this film all that much. But that doesn't mean there's not a lot to like here, because actually I was super taken with what Barker brought to the table. Sure, there are some silly parts (a long hallway chase, and the return of the chaser throwing a mean left jab), yes the acting gets hammy, though after ANoES I am starting to think it may be a mark of the times, hell(raiser), there's even #sex and #violence all mixed together. Yet the framing device worked and this just has such an energy that I gravitated towards. Part of it has to do with the visuals, but not just the glimpses of those demons or whatever, even the early parts with Frank had a tangible feel that I appreciated. That's the wonder of practical effects, and why Pinhead is so evocative, I imagine, so that even when the seams loosen (perhaps a byproduct of the budget, but who knows, could just be dated with age) it's still kind of a blast. The film feels like a short story, in the way something like that Adam Scott Krampus did, and it's just a delight.

Not really all that scary, though it holds a couple of jump scares and scoreless tension building until the end to great effect. I stayed away from horror for so long, but I think I just don't like jump scares.

Either way, on a scary scale I give this...(https://prodimage.images-bn.com/pimages/9780545820691_p0_v1_s550x406.jpg)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 03, 2018, 10:53:47 PM
Hellraiser

Turns out this is a franchise and there are like nine of these things! I knew that there was Mr. Pin, he's been everywhere, but apparently not in this film all that much. But that doesn't mean there's not a lot to like here, because actually I was super taken with what Barker brought to the table.

For the first few films there are usually a few minutes spent on Pinhead's backstory and the creation of the cubes, but the films are about a world where these things exist and not the continuing saga of a set of characters. Somewhere along the way, Barker was happy to collect a small check to lend out the Hellraiser name and the films would be non-Hellraiser scripts that stuck in some connection to the world in order to get produced.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 03, 2018, 11:22:04 PM
Like Cloverfield is now, I guess?

It definitely gave me the impression watching it that I wouldn't really be seeing these characters in a sequel, it telegraphs that well with the ending zooming out and pretty much resetting things (also like Krampus), though that's fine by me. The backstory doesn't interest me a ton as of right now, like he and his crew look cool and are a good excuse to kind of let reality and any type of monsters mingle, so I think I'd be down for more if they strike the same tone of this first one while changing the specifics of the situations. Really ended up taking to this way more than I had expected.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 05, 2018, 09:19:36 AM
(https://imgur.com/yNVSj84.jpg)
Hell Baby (2013)
"I think you're safer here than in any of the murder-free places we've ever lived at."

Despite mostly terrible reviews, I've always been curious of this one because of the cast. (Rob Corddry, Leslie Bibb, Keegan-Michael Key, Robert Ben Garant, Thomas Lennon, Michael Ian Black, Rob Huebel, Paul Scheer, Kumail Nanjiani and Riki Lindhome.) On a podcast, Lennon (who wrote and directed the film with Garant) said "I love every weird and wonderful minute of this film," which I found sweet, so I gave it a shot.

(https://imgur.com/XxNczKR.jpg)

Closer to something by David Wain than a parody film, the script for this scattershot sketch comedy is never sharp enough to stand on its own. There are a few groans, but a few laughs and thanks to the cast a lot of smiles. Keegan-Michael Key comes out on top as the world's most intrusive neighbor. Garant and Lennon's vice-filled priests never got old and while Nanjiani's part is small, he has some of the best moments.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy, but there's a fair amount of gross-out comedy



(https://imgur.com/TdweUhM.jpg)
The Last Shark (1981)
aka. Great White
aka. Italian Jaws

It's hard to make a good, campy, unintentionally funny shark movie now because that's typical for a killer shark movie. I learned about this film during a podcast - either The Next Picture Show or How Did This Get Made? - about The Meg. Problem with this blatant Jaws ripoff is that it isn't bad enough to be entertaining. It's mostly dull humans up against stock footage shots of sharks. (When they can't find an image of a Great White that works, they use whatever species is available.) Even the robot shark, with its mouth stuck open and clean surface, can't raise this film to a good level of camp.
Rating: ★ Ĺ

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 06, 2018, 01:28:11 PM
(https://imgur.com/KcwfUMi.jpg)
Love From a Stranger (1937)
"Women's weakness is man's opportunity."

From a story by Agatha Christie, Basil Rathbone is the whole film here, playing a charming scoundrel who worms his way into the heart of a recent lottery winner. It's the most scenery-chewing performance I've seen from Rathbone. Starting at the level of Adv. of Robin Hood, as his physical ailments and mental instability are revealed he gets more and more crazed until by the end he's going the full Nic Cage.

(https://imgur.com/9HYkh3z.jpg)

Ann Harding (playing his wife) gives him the stage until Christie's pen reveals itself in some final surprises. Those final reveals would've made for a more original story if brought in way earlier, though that would be a different movie entirely.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 07, 2018, 03:17:09 PM
I've always loved Rosemary's Baby, but watching it today was almost too much because of how well it works as a metaphor for our current political climate. The privileged upper class taking control of a woman's reproductive rights for their own diabolical ends.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 07, 2018, 08:33:32 PM
(https://imgur.com/XTZsOVq.jpg)
Roar (1981)
"No animals were harmed in the making of this film.
70 cast and crew members were.


Unique experiment of filming a movie while completely at the mercy of large jungle cats. The writer/producer/director/star goes for a family film vibe behind the camera while on screen constantly telling people "it's alright" while lions and tigers destroy property and attempt to maul the rest of the cast. I've read some arguments that this isn't horror, but the unceasing wild animal intrusions put ones nerves on edge and you watch something like a lion on top of a very young Melanie Griffith pulling her hair with its teeth and there's true terror on her face and in her screams.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay


(https://imgur.com/enjiVaE.jpg)
The Woman in White (1948)

Gig Young plays an artist summoned to an estate of eccentric and dangerous people, headed up by Sydney Greenstreet, who is in peak form. Everyone here is intriguing including a trio of women - Alexis Smith, Eleanor Parker and Agnes Moorehead - with questionable claims on the estate and its fortune. In the style of Rebecca, but more overtly spooky. It would be perfect for Sandy if it were only a bit better. Something lacking either in the casting, aside from Greenstreet who's an endless delight, or the relaxed pace.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ


(https://imgur.com/AvwMLVm.jpg)
Bluebeards Ten Honeymoons (1960)

George Sanders dispatching women with blades and blunt instruments like he's Jason Voorhees. More of a gruesome slasher than I expected, with its most violent aspect - the dismemberment and incineration of his victims - is only possible because the movie was made in a time where they don't have to explain the heavy amounts of blood that would've permanently stained his wood murder cabin.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ


The Phantom of Crestwood (1932)

Murder Mystery set in an old dark house with secret passages, unstable cliffsides and a killer in a glowing death mask. It's not very deep, but the whodunit aspect is very engaging and fun.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 07, 2018, 09:38:47 PM
Tales From The Crypt

I don't mind anthologies, and think that they could really work for this genre; however, even though there are key differences between the five stories here most of them still ended up feeling kind of the same. I never watched the TV show, though I did still know what the HBO Crypt Keeper looked like, so this was a little bit of a surprise. And the framing story was fun in the way that Twilight Zone episodes always are, even if there's not a lot of breathing room or transitioning between the stories. It was fine, just kind of underwhelming.

On the scary scale, this sucker gets a...(https://onlinestore.dcbooks.com/uploaded_files/books/bk_9780590494472.jpg)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 07, 2018, 10:31:08 PM
It (2018)

I watched this film with trepidation. I read the book in 1989, and it freaked me out.  For years.  I was afraid of the dark, afraid of almost everything.  Of all the Stephen King books I read, if his goal was to scare me, this is the one that worked best.  And I actually don't like being scared. It's unpleasant.  So I never watched the miniseries and only after reading a number of reviews in praise of this film did I decide I would take a chance.

I needn't have worried.

It's a beautiful movie.  A chain of wonderfully cinematic scenes that don't have, or need, much glue to keep it together.  Pennywise is perfect with his painted make up and balloons that look as if they were created by a computer.  Every scene is excellently composed and a joy to look at.  But not scary.  Well, maybe the teeth.

I realize that the reason the novel worked so well is because there are a thousand pages painting, not a monster, but the internal landscape of fear.  Fear is in the mind, which is why my dear homeless friends cause shivers to crawl up the spine of my neighbors. And Stephen King is brilliant at embedding the seed of the most irrational fears on our minds through the description of other's thoughts.  Which is what is usually missing from the films based on his works.  All his most powerful prose cannot be expressed on film.

So It is a good film, fun, exciting, and thrilling.   Mildly scary.  A thing of beauty. 

3.5/5
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 07, 2018, 11:34:03 PM
(https://imgur.com/ZyoMiwe.jpg)
Predators (2010)

Until now, I had never seen a good Predator movie. I like the idea of the Predator, the way he looks and the weapons he uses to hunt (a blend of primitive and high-tech), the creature design is classic, but the films themselves never did it for me. I get the uber-macho approach to the first film but it's routine action followed by dull scenes of horror. It was never a smart film, but pretty genius compared to the sequels. That's kind of still true because there are moments where you want to smack this film in the back of the head for something stupid. Not with the overall story, which has a number of creative ideas, but with some of the characters (crazy person talks to imaginary friend, crude convict, Japanese man fights Predator with samurai sword) and occasionally the dialogue, it falls short of being the inarguably best Predator film.

If I was casting a hard-ass military fighter, Adrien Brody wouldn't come to mind, but he's such a good actor that his performance convinces me that he's perfect for the part. I'm not even a big fan of Brody, but he's in complete command here, both in terms of character and charisma. Topher Grace is usually a film killer with me, but he's really good too. I was excited to see Walton Goggins, but his character is completely terrible and Goggins just amps up the bad. Always good to see Danny Trejo in a film like this and Mahershala Ali is more interesting to look back on post-Oscar. There's another big name who comes up later, but it's a paycheck performance, lacking Brody's commitment.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - No scares, but it gets pretty bloody.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 07, 2018, 11:58:30 PM
It (2018)

I watched this film with trepidation. I read the book in 1989, and it freaked me out.  For years.  I was afraid of the dark, afraid of almost everything.  Of all the Stephen King books I read, if his goal was to scare me, this is the one that worked best. 

I watched this again because I find it interesting that my wife has a deep fear of clowns. She'd like to go to a haunted house or maze this year, but it's nearly impossible to find one that doesn't include scary clowns. IT is a film she will never watch, though she asks me questions about the film because she's curious to know just how scary Pennywise is. How far does he go?

Disagreeing with many, I still think the ensemble is the worst part of the film. The writing of the characters is lacking dimension, making the parents and the bullies seemingly exist only to be horrible people. Even among the kids, only Beverly Marsh has enough substance to equal all the characters in Stranger Things.

So for me, the Pennywise scenes are the only good parts of the film. There are a number of good shocks and scares, but it's that first street drain scene where Bill SkarsgŚrd really gets to shine as Pennywise. The rest of the time he's more about presence, changing size and shape (and in one great touch dancing up a storm while his head keeps perfectly still.) I'm not even sure my wife could listen to Pennywise's first scene, but clowns don't scare me so I find it all interesting.

I realize that the reason the novel worked so well is because there are a thousand pages painting, not a monster, but the internal landscape of fear.  Fear is in the mind, which is why my dear homeless friends cause shivers to crawl up the spine of my neighbors.
On this 2nd viewing, I was more tuned into the creature only using a clown disguise to create fear. Even beyond the moments of teeth, there are small hints that get you wondering what the hell does this thing look like in its true form? I also got a better feel for how the creature was working to create fear in the kids that it could then feed off of in some kind of non-digestive way.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 08, 2018, 01:18:48 AM
Curious if you're wife has watched The Dark Knight, 1SO? Or I guess any Batman for that matter? Does she think of The Joker as a clown?

On a related note, I think Skarsgard's performance in IT is on par with Ledger's Joker. They both achieve something similar I think. :)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 08, 2018, 02:14:58 AM
We refer to Nicholson as the exception that proves the rule because she loves that Joker. Canít watch or even look at stills of Ledger, Leto or Joaquin Phoenix. LEGO Joker was fine.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 08, 2018, 11:30:49 PM
(https://imgur.com/HmCtC0N.jpg)
Slither (2006)
"Uh... so... what's going on here, exactly?"

After all the stupidity of Disney firing James Gunn from the Guardians of the Galaxy franchise, I wanted to go back and rewatch his feature debut, look for that James Gunn tone with the comedy and perhaps share the experience with Mrs. 1SO. I'm really glad I didn't do the last part because the wife hates gooey and this is gooier than the entire Alien franchise. There are also a number of dead animals, including pets, which is a turn off for her and a reminder of Gunn's provocative, bad-boy behavior that got him in trouble in the first place.

(https://imgur.com/KlhDjrT.jpg)

I didn't like the film more on a 2nd viewing. Gunn is still learning his craft and the dialogue could afford to be a lot punchier.  The initial creepy attacks are very uninspired, but Gunn keeps dialing up the outrageousness until it stops becoming a comedy with gore and the gross scenes are what the film so funny. Nathan Fillion's attempts to stay cool eventually becomes a Buster Keaton series of deadpan reactions to the unbelievable sights. I like how the creatures aren't just space slugs, there's a hive mentality that lets the film take from the zombie genre as well.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay

(http://imgur.com/dlbHWTG.jpg) - Intense and really gross
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 09, 2018, 02:07:41 AM
ISO, only the Pennywise scenes? What about the scene with the painted lady?  The bathroom of blood? Excellent work there, and quite shivery.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on October 09, 2018, 04:08:35 PM
The Woman in White (1948)

Gig Young plays an artist summoned to an estate of eccentric and dangerous people, headed up by Sydney Greenstreet, who is in peak form. Everyone here is intriguing including a trio of women - Alexis Smith, Eleanor Parker and Agnes Moorehead - with questionable claims on the estate and its fortune. In the style of Rebecca, but more overtly spooky. It would be perfect for Sandy if it were only a bit better. Something lacking either in the casting, aside from Greenstreet who's an endless delight, or the relaxed pace.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ

1SO, I wanted you to know I'm following along with this marathon! :) And, I have a little hope you do find something as good as Ghostbreakers, or The Others, or The Innocents. I just made it through Scream (review coming) last night :o and these other type of horror films may just be more to my sensibilities. So, that's why I'm enjoying your gleaning!
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 09, 2018, 09:55:08 PM
Jaws

I guess this qualifies. It does, because it has so many elements of horror, even if you also deal with a lot of typical Spielberg (though tbh Jurassic Park feels way more 'horror' than this, and even that I'm not sure I'd use the term, but it applies there too, I guess) and that John Williams score that does more than it really needs to be doing. The way that leg sinks down to the bottom of the ocean, the screaming, the quiet moments that build tension before a bloody attack (albeit a final encounter that goes on way too long, truly marking this with Spielberg's stamp), it's all there. And all PG, as well, though it was a different time or something. I'm going to let you know right now that, even compared to my other impressions, this will more be me working through things than normal.

Specifically why I have trouble with it in this marathon despite the markings of horror very clearly being present. There's a killer, for sure, and it stalks the victims, can strike pretty much whenever (as long as you're in the water, though it's fourth of July weekend, so obviously you will be, I can easily buy in to that), seems almost unstoppable in its terror. I mean it's not really scary, a result of so much taking place during the day, though that should make it more 'real' and terrifying. As a horror film that's where I might have a problem though, which is personal preference. It's just plausible. There's no supernatural twist, I'm sure you could argue that the shark knows what its doing and the attacks are a little more targeted, but it's still instinctual even if it knows how to toy with its prey, and it's not a monster, it's just an animal. I'm afraid of snakes, in a phobia way, but those are real. And so are sharks. Like I'm careful when dolphins look like they're too close in the Atlantic. It's just hard for me to feel dread or terror in a film when it's believable. It's a fear of the known, not the unknown. And it's a horror film, by the rules of the genre, I know that, but it doesn't feel like one to me.

On a scale of scary, this one gets a...(https://images.gr-assets.com/books/1468582023l/1736447.jpg)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 10, 2018, 01:06:34 AM
My Soul To Take

When a movie boldly announces on it's cover WRITTEN AND DIRECTED BY WES CRAVEN you know they are probably hoping that you haven't read the reviews for it.  I hadn't, so I watched it and it wasn't too bad.  Not as bad as I thought it would be.

Okay, the production values were kinda horrible.  The editing was kinda awful and the sound quality was terrible too.  But the script was clever enough for a cheap production and the acting wasn't bad.  I really liked the pacing, fast enough to make your head spin.  So the ending was predictable.  The point is, how you get there and I think that we have the typical 10 Little Indians approach with some nice twists.  I had fun with it and that's enough.

3.5/5

Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 10, 2018, 07:48:40 PM
So I do not double post I will just link to my review of Scream (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894239#msg894239) over in Sam's Top 100 club

 The Shocktober rating is between:

(http://imgur.com/dlbHWTG.jpg) - Scary   (http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary

Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 10, 2018, 09:17:01 PM
The Monster Squad

Not too much to say about this one, it's fun and pretty much what I expected it to be, though it's crazy to think that this would be rated PG-13 when you get a really raw homophobic slur pretty much right out of the gate. But it was a different time, or something. This feels like a plucky young group of kids going on an adventure, and I assume will act as a nice primer for Goosebumps 2 this weekend. I might get more out of it if I had more exposure to the films that house the monsters, but they've become so much a part of cinematic history that you'll still find points to latch on to with even a rudimentary understanding.

Didn't realize going in that Shane Black partially penned the script, though it makes sense. Also, with a quick look over Wikipedia, apparently I'm pretty unfamiliar with a lot of his filmography. Haven't loved anything and skipped The Predator entirely, but still surprised me to see his name pop up at the beginning.

It's not really meant to be scary, but on a scary scale this would get a...(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/goosebumps/images/3/3c/Vampire_Breath_%28Cover%29.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/339?cb=20170418123751)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Beavermoose on October 10, 2018, 11:57:33 PM
Hereditary
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I like the way it's shot with the dioramas creating this uncomfortable distortion of the space and the wide shots almost turning the the characters into a diorama as if their world is being controlled by a greater unknown force. I don't know why these cultists seem to be making a return in horror movies and I'm not sure if I'm completely on board. The third act is a bit underwhelming. I've decided that the metaphor of the movie is that older generations don't care about future generations and are selfishly giving us a destroyed shell of a planet to inherit... I.e. global warming. But maybe I'm reading too much into it.

A Quiet Place
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I accidentally forgot to put on the subtitles for the ASL which actually got me more invested in the movie as I was trying to decode what they were saying. If did really like this movie even simply in the fact that it acknowledges ASL as an important language and method of communication. I'm not sure if the entire family drama worked for me or if I liked the alien creatures. I was also really annoyed by that nail in the staircase, screw that nail. It felt like a cheap way to create tension. I think the movie is a really great concept that could have been executed better.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 11, 2018, 12:08:06 AM
ISO, only the Pennywise scenes? What about the scene with the painted lady?  The bathroom of blood? Excellent work there, and quite shivery.
The bathroom of blood is well done, my favorite that doesn't involve a clown or balloons.



Jaws

I guess this qualifies. It does, because it has so many elements of horror
When we start questioning the validity of Jaws' horror credentials it's time to pack up and go home. I guess it's possible to exclude and/or include pretty much any film. The Horror of The Love Guru over The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, which is more a satire on the family unit with horror elements.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 11, 2018, 10:12:44 PM
Jaws is definitely a horror film, it just doesn't feel like one to me. I'm hoping to get to The Birds, but wonder if it'll feel similar because birds are just real things. I never really got the 'horror' vibe from what I know of other killer fish movies, not even the Goosebumps books that focus on them, or Anaconda, which I have seen and didn't feel like what I think of when I think horror, though that one is more scary because I don't like snakes. But they're just wild animals, I know they can hurt people. So it comes down to the film making, and Jaws is definitely filmed like a horror, despite so much of it taking place during the daytime, so I wouldn't debate that it belongs in the genre at all. It just didn't resonate with me on much more than a theoretical or technical level.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 11, 2018, 10:39:43 PM
MURDER AND MYSTERY TRIPLE FEATURE

(https://imgur.com/7vg35zd.jpg)
A Study in Terror (1965)
"A second murder. Now, that is interesting."
"Why?"
"Because it is the second murder."


Jack the Ripper begins his murder spree. The opening scenes remind me of Hammer horror, with all the period detail and cleavaged women whose dresses end up caked in dirt, water or blood. The ripper scenes are tough for 1960s, especially the victim Mary Kelly, which has an actual police photo on the Ripper's Wikipedia page. The film suggests the gruesome killing well and lingers uncomfortably long on the doomed woman. The script seems to stick as close to the facts as they could possibly get away with, and then for speculating who is Jack the Ripper they do something interesting.

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Watson: Someone should have sent for us before this, Holmes.
Holmes: Someone has. The woman who sent me that instrument case.
Watson: Oh, but then why doesn't she come out into the open?
Holmes: Being a woman, she uses a women's art. She intrigues us to White Chapel.

The true crime murder spree comes up against England's greatest detective. This isn't the only time someone has matched Holmes against Jack the Ripper, but it's the best version I've found. While John Neville (Adv. of Baron Munchausen) won't crack my Top 3 Holmes - Cumberbatch, Rathbone, Cushing - he plays the part well, and the script almost constantly has him logically deducing a number of leads from one small clue, which is the great fun of Holmes. The mystery has few suspects, but they're high level of obviousness makes it tough to figure who the real killer is. Besides, as Holmes says, that's the easy part. It's bringing them to justice that's the real puzzle.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Good

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary. Occasionally vicious.

The poster suggests this film's marketing was attempting to appeal to fans of the Batman TV series.
(https://imgur.com/T0frDAz.jpg)



(https://imgur.com/zr2DEmI.jpg)
Chase a Crooked Shadow (1958)

A gaslight thriller built on the mysterious return of a long lost relative who the lead (Anne Baxter) insists is not who they say they are. We know from the opening scene there's a con at play, but it's fun watching what they're after and how they plan to get away with it. While this is certainly a tight (87min) and smart thriller, it suffers for building to a twist I'm familiar with from another film that I love. It's a great twist, I just saw it coming right from the start. Also, because of All About Eve, there's a fake "I'm just acting" quality to Anne Baxter that makes it tough for me to have sympathy for her.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy



The Ninth Guest (1934)
Very similar to Agatha Christie's Ten Little Indians, coming out 5 years before her book but not as well-plotted. Eight people are gathered for a dinner party "in their honor" where they are to be executed one every hour. (The Ninth Guest is Death.) Despite the familiar elements, this is a fun murder mystery.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 11, 2018, 10:51:24 PM
Jaws is definitely a horror film, it just doesn't feel like one to me. I'm hoping to get to The Birds, but wonder if it'll feel similar because birds are just real things. I never really got the 'horror' vibe from what I know of other killer fish movies, not even the Goosebumps books that focus on them, or Anaconda, which I have seen and didn't feel like what I think of when I think horror, though that one is more scary because I don't like snakes. But they're just wild animals, I know they can hurt people.
Interesting. I listen to a Podcast with two people who Love horror films, but don't care for ghost stories because ghosts aren't real. To them horror is other living people.

I think the genre has cast a wide net to make anything and everything scary: animals, houses, little wooden dolls, the wind. Like you say, it comes down to the filmmaking. Are bird naturally scary? No. But if they were suddenly all rise up against us we'd be heavily outnumbered. The most far out example of this idea is Phase IV, which suggests ants have been working away at the ground to set up our own destruction and by the time we learn of this, it's already too late to stop them.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 12, 2018, 05:39:57 AM
Last Christmas I got a box set of the 5 The Fly movies on BluRay, so it is time for a little marathon, in chronological order.

The Fly (1958 Kurt Neumann)

So the credits roll and there are 2 surprises for me. The first is Vincent Price, ah what a pleasant surprise. The second was the screenwriter James Clavell, who I only thought of as a novelist. Looking up his bio on IMDB, thou, shows a very interesting line of screen credits (including The Great Escape and To Sir with Love). Going through the credits on IMDB I found another surprise, David Hedison who looked vaguely familiar, now I know why, he played Felix in Licence to Kill, although he also appeared in just about every US 80s TV show I watched as well.

Kurt Neumann was a very busy director who died the year The Fly was released. Including the 2 movies released the year after he died, Neumann directed 61 features in 28 years. What a collection: 3 of the Weissmuller Tarzan movies, one movie titled The Dude Goes West (maybe a pre Big Lebowski role for Jeff Bridges :)) and another titled Machete that also came out in 1958.

The start of this film was unusual, it appears to start at the end of the story (a la D.O.A), but then sticks around for an unexpectedly long time before we go back to the beginning. The start has Helene Delambre (Patricia Owens) running from the body of her dead and very squished husband (David Hedison). She confesses to killing him, but will not say why. Finally after some convincing from her brother-in-law (Vincent Price) she tells the story from the beginning. What we get is a family story of a sane scientist whose experiment goes horribly wrong.

The effects are ok and very well used. They did not over extend what they could do and the fly head was very good. Someone loved neon lights. It was interesting to see something intended to be a computer (although never referenced in the movie) in a pre-60s movie, I can not think of another example, but others here may.

The performances are acceptable, Owens plays the hysteria up a little, but I suspect that was an expectation of the time. There is also a lovely bit where she surprises the men with her knowledge of how to operate the factory's heavy machinery.

Definitely in the better quality section of the 50s sci fi/horror movies.

This is not a scary movie.

Ratiing: 74 / 100
(https://reykissna.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/fly-1958-poster-5.jpg?w=558&h=838)

P.S. The BluRay transfer clean up was excellent.
P.P.S. Watched the Vincent Price bio that was an extra. Some interesting stuff, although it was a bit of a fluff piece in that focused on only the positive stuff. Looked like it was an old A&E one from the 80's or 90's.

Up next with be 1959's The Return of the Fly, hoping to start this tonight.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 12, 2018, 05:42:50 AM
While John Neville (Adv. of Baron Munchausen) won't crack my Top 3 Holmes - Cumberbatch, Rathbone, Cushing - he plays the part well

So what is your ranking of those who have played Holmes?
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 12, 2018, 04:28:55 PM
My research tells me 75 actors have played the part, and thatís not counting Will Ferrell. So clearly Iím a long way from a definitive list, but hereís who I know.

1. Benedict Cumberbatch
2. Basil Rathbone
3. Peter Cushing
4. Nicholas Rowe
5. John Neville
6. Barrie Ingham
7. Nicol Williamson
8. Robert Downey Jr.
9. Christopher Plummer
10. Jeremy Brett
11. Robert Stephens


Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 12, 2018, 07:29:30 PM
Jaws is definitely a horror film, it just doesn't feel like one to me. I'm hoping to get to The Birds, but wonder if it'll feel similar because birds are just real things. I never really got the 'horror' vibe from what I know of other killer fish movies, not even the Goosebumps books that focus on them, or Anaconda, which I have seen and didn't feel like what I think of when I think horror, though that one is more scary because I don't like snakes. But they're just wild animals, I know they can hurt people.
Interesting. I listen to a Podcast with two people who Love horror films, but don't care for ghost stories because ghosts aren't real. To them horror is other living people.

I think the genre has cast a wide net to make anything and everything scary: animals, houses, little wooden dolls, the wind. Like you say, it comes down to the filmmaking. Are bird naturally scary? No. But if they were suddenly all rise up against us we'd be heavily outnumbered. The most far out example of this idea is Phase IV, which suggests ants have been working away at the ground to set up our own destruction and by the time we learn of this, it's already too late to stop them.

That last part feels less 'real' to me though, which is kind of why, with what little I know/pictures I've seen of The Birds, I am hopeful for the Hitchcock. Obviously birds flock (insert Migos ad lib here), but when you have so many together that are shown as scheming rather than just randomly attacking adds a human-like quality to it, which I didn't really get with the shark until that last encounter.

And I've heard the case for not caring for ghost stories, and I think it's just a fundamental difference in things that scare people. It's that fear of the unknown and the improbable that works for me, which is why I liked The Little Stranger earlier this year more than most, it's just so situated in gothic horror, and I like that traditionalism/those are the stories that, when I was younger, conditioned me to associate with the genre. While stuff like Saw doesn't scare me even though things like that are very likely happening or can happen in real life, but it's more explainable. I'm not sure if that makes sense. I feel like I can still enjoy stuff like that, just in a different way than how I enjoyed Nightmare or Hellraiser.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 12, 2018, 10:18:16 PM
I had to edit my list because the wife reminded me I forgot Barrie Ingham as Basil of Baker Street in The Great Mouse Detective.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 12, 2018, 10:31:47 PM
Slice

Much more comedy than horror, I still found a good deal to like about this, and continues A24's reputation of getting things out that are well worth watching. Not all the jokes land, and I don't know if I'm sold on Chance as an actor (or a rapper, am I right???), but Beetz is incredibly compelling as is Paul Scheer's inclusion. The attempts at social commentary are admirable, though like a lot of the film it could use with a little more time to actually develop everything, this is a super breezy 82 minutes, but better too short than too long. Maybe. I'm actually not super sure in this case because everything happens so quickly that you don't get a lot of time to just enjoy the world.

Still, it has a nice style that elevates beyond the music videos that Vesely is known for, and is also helped by the aesthetic that it toys with throughout. Not to mention those opening credits. Damn.

Like The Monster Squad this one isn't really trying to be scary, so I suppose on the scary meter this one would get a...(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/goosebumps/images/e/e1/My_Hairiest_Adventure_%28Cover%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170418033905)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 12, 2018, 10:50:39 PM
Definitely one for my Watchlist. Zazie Beetz was a star in Deadpool 2 and I've become a big fan of Paul Scheer, who manages to be entertaining and fun without going for jokes. He just seems like someone you want to hang out and talk movies with.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 12, 2018, 11:32:26 PM
Need to listen to more of his Podcasts. He does go for jokes here, but in the way he typically does, so if you like his style of comedy I think you'll like him here even though it's not his best or most casual work. A lot of the jokes, even the easier ones, ended up hitting for me though.

It also didn't show a ton of pizza, which was good because it didn't make me want pizza as much as I was afraid it would.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 13, 2018, 06:34:29 AM
Apostle (2018)

There's something kind of impressive about the modern movie landscape where I hear about a film directed by Gareth Evans (The Raid), starring the likes of Dan Stevens and Michael Sheen, for the first time and that evening can play it on Netflix. In truth it is a film that premiered at Fantastic Fest last month, but it is clear that "straight to streaming" doesn't have the negative implications that "straight to video" used to. On the other hand, those old instincts die hard and when one of these films succeeds as much as Apostle does, you kind of wish it had gone into theatres.

Apostle definitely owes a lot to The Wicker Man. Thomas (Stevens) heads to an island dominated by a cult in search of a missing (or in this case held hostage for ransom) person, his sister. While the first half moves at a slower pace, as the community beliefs and practices are highlighted, the tension lies in that Thomas is at risk of being found out at any point. Again like The Wicker Man, the second half is where it fully devolves into madness. This is a proper nasty film but it is done with creativity and flair that it doesn't feel off-putting. Add in threads of thematic inquiry about nature, patriarchy, religion, etc. and it is quite the nourishing delight of a horror film. Certainly one of the surprises/discoveries of the year.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 13, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
That's now in the top of my queue.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 13, 2018, 02:08:10 PM
You may have noticed Junior hyping it on Twitter too.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 13, 2018, 03:11:57 PM
I swear I'm going to post like 20 Shocktober reviews tomorrow, including that, which is at the top of the pile.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 13, 2018, 08:30:42 PM
Truth or Dare (2017)

Not to be confused with Truth or Dare (2018), this version (available on Netflix) was made for Syfy television. I suppose as a horror film based on the game, it was inevitable there would be quite a bit of overlap. It's going to have happened before, it is going to strike college kids who are partying, and they will have to find the lone survivor of the previous iteration, though let's be honest, these demons never lose.

They could have saved us a lot of confusion by just calling it Dare for all the truth it tells. With the choice of truth or dare stripped from the players in this version (they each wrote out possible truths or dares on cards and drew randomly, so this isn't specifically a function of the demon), truth only comes up once. Admittedly dares are more cinematic, and you'd have to have writing talent to pull off making a truth dramatically compelling. The Blumhouse version may have left me a little dissatisfied, but that's because it did a lot of good work without reaching that next level. This one just feels like a grind. There is no moral quandary, just an evil and sadistic presence. Even the Saw films tried to justify the bloodshed more than this. Just taxing and dumb.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 13, 2018, 09:28:21 PM
Halloween

Hey! Back again with these franchise things, baby! Somehow, figuring that it's unlikely I get to Alien before the festival begins, I saved what I've heard to be the worst (Friday the 13th) for last, but I'm pretty glad I did get to this, and not just because DGG's version is on the horizon. Not super familiar with Carpenter's filmography, but damn if this isn't a nice introduction to things. It's very much in line with the genre, and a good primer for other slashers, though what stood out to me about this compared to the other things that I've watched for the marathon thus far is that this one is genuinely scary. Pretty much throughout. The moments where the camera puts us in Michael's eyes, the way he's framed lurking, and the score all work to create a sense of unease that rarely lets up right to when the credits roll.

Going back to the idea of 'real' vs. supernatural, Michael strikes this nice balance. He's very much a person, but having him never talk gives him this eerie quality that makes his resilience when he does take a number of shots more believable. Unsure if this goes off the rails at some point as the franchise progresses, but in the initial installment it's a delicate balance. There are more jump scares than I tend to like, though they're effectively used and don't feel cheap most of the time, which was appreciated. Still think that, as a whole, Hellraiser is more up my alley, but very impressed with this one. It's understandable why this, Nightmare and HR spawned so many sequels. That small town vibe too, really loved that.

Been hard finding the right books for the past few, but we can get back to the good stuff now. On a scary scale, Mr. Austin Powers gets a...(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/goosebumps/images/8/88/Welcome_to_Dead_House_%28Cover%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20161223191421)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 13, 2018, 09:37:25 PM
Not super familiar with Carpenter's filmography, but damn if this isn't a nice introduction to things. It's very much in line with the genre, and a good primer for other slashers, though what stood out to me about this compared to the other things that I've watched for the marathon thus far is that this one is genuinely scary. Pretty much throughout. The moments where the camera puts us in Michael's eyes, the way he's framed lurking, and the score all work to create a sense of unease that rarely lets up right to when the credits roll.
Yes. Even with what most people can kind of figure on going in, Carpenter is still able to give small spooky moments (the body in the hay) and entire unexpected scenes of sheer terror (the grounds of the asylum at night).

The series heads south almost immediately and continues downward even though there are 9 films between the original and the DGG version, which wouldn't have to try hard to be #2 in the franchise.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 13, 2018, 09:47:42 PM
There's a bit towards the end when JLC stabs him through while in the closet and obviously you know he's going to get up, but the way the camera's positioned and how he does like an Undertaker rise is just so great.

EDIT: Bummer to hear that they go down fast.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 14, 2018, 12:22:33 AM
Apostle
Still processing.
I think I'm a big fan of Folk Horror. Probably because it's a relatively small sub-genre.
Dan Stevens is criminally talented.
It's very slow but intriguing enough for a very long time. I'm not sure how you would cut it down without ruining the tone. The back half is full of good stuff, but it doesn't have the escalating chaos of Safe Haven. More a series of scenes where Stevens is about to get brutalized only to get the chance to turn on his attackers and give them far worse.
I do love that final exchange, story beat and shot.
★ ★ ★ - Okay

Even though it's my favorite Gareth Evans feature, I was hoping for something a bit more extraordinary. This had the potential to be better than A Quiet Place, but in the end I have to say Krasinski's simplicity plays better than Evans' ambition.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 14, 2018, 07:00:10 AM
Pretty much with you there. I was expecting Safe Haven levels of crazy and it almost got there with the penultimate fight scene, but then it doesn't quite deliver in a way that would elevate it to classic territory. Still good and fun, though!
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 14, 2018, 07:47:22 PM
(https://imgur.com/OabbXOG.jpg)
My Cousin Rachel (1952)
"There beside his grave I made a vow. I swore that
whatever it had cost Ambrose in pain and suffering,
I would return it in full measure."


Oh Sandy!

I believe a jury of any size would find it tough to say this counts for Shocktober, though it does have some good Gothic atmosphere and an occasionally tense murder mystery with a twist, from the novel by Daphne du Maurier. It starts as a tale of revenge when Philip (a young Richard Burton) receives some letters from his cousin who was his entire world, begging for help to get away from his wife Rachel. Philip arrives too late and vows to bring Rachel to justice. But then we meet her.

(https://imgur.com/GmabMGX.jpg)

Had Bette Davis stepped out of the carriage, you could see where the rest of the story was going. Philip would be powerless in the vixen's presence and Davis would crush him in the ensuing battle of wits. Olivia de Havilland isn't that kind of actress, and as far as I know she's only played a bad person once. (The Dark Mirror, where she plays twins, so technically she's only half bad.) I had an interesting conversation with my wife about this casting because I'd be much more willing to give up my inheritance to Olivia, knowing her to usually be a kind and gentle person.

Casting her (almost 10 years older than Burton) makes the rest of the film more intense and harder to scrutinize. Suspicions and revelations are still about what you'd expect, but they take on a different context, much like how interesting it is to see Burton play a man so smitten and egoless. There's also a really nice conclusion to the story, with a small twist that will keep this one from blending in with similar gothic romances. It may not be the best Horror film I see this month, but it has a good shot at being the best film. A Discovery.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Good

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 15, 2018, 12:57:04 PM
The Howling

This came out right around when An American Werewolf in London did and I understand why the latter film gets all the attention while this one feels like a completionists' choice. There's so much going on in AAWiL where The Howling has some nice creature design and an admittedly fun atmosphere but not much in the way of scares or even tension. I wonder how much of the failing comes from Rob Bottin's not-great werewolf transformation effects. There's nothing like the impeccable sequence in AAWiL and it instead feels like a dry run for Bottin's incredible work on The Thing a year later. But what works for the Thing doesn't work for werewolves. There are pulsating sacs and that's about it. Pulsating sacs work for an alien creature with no set body structure, but as a vehicle for transformation between man and beast, they fall short. Most of the changes happen between cuts, too. It's a shame, because the kooky cult thing that is going on here storywise is a fun take on the wolf pack concept and, although it stretches plausibility, it does provide for some funny scenes. A nice effort, but not a favorite by any means.

B, C for scares


The Thing

Not much to say here, obviously a classic. I saw it on the big screen and that made the all-white sequences more blinding while also showing off the Norwegian base in a little more detail. I always zoned out during that sequence but this time I was enthralled. I still think the climax is weak compared to the stuff in the middle, but damn if that last scene isn't pretty much perfect.

A, A for scares


Revenge

When an American woman is raped by her lovers' friend while another friend lets it happen and then is left for dead, she goes on a revenge quest against all three of the men with the help of some drugs and a beer can. It's not exactly the most complicated story, but the direction gives it a vivacity and propulsion that I couldn't help but get into. Matilda Lutz plays the woman who almost becomes a force of nature by the time the movie comes to an incredibly bloody end. Not for the squeamish, but it pushes all the right buttons for me, even though I have come to dislike revenge stories.

A-, B for scares


The Bay

A rewatch that reminded me how much bugs crawling inside people freaks me out. Thanks, The Bay. If only the acting was better!

B, B for scares


Dead Ringers

I was hoping for Cronenberg to take this in the direction of The Fly but instead he indulges in his love of psychological mumbo jumbo. Luckily you get two Jeremy Ironses for the price of one and he does a great job, even when awkward camera angles and body poses must be used to cut down on costs or whatever. He plays twin gynecologists who push the limits of their field while crossing all kinds of boundaries. Maybe the most realistic horror film I've seen this year so far, but I don't really come to horror for realism, so it fell a little flatter than it might have had I watched it outside the Shocktober context.

B+, C- for scares


Demons

Dario Argento wrote the screenplay for Lamberto Bava's (son of Mario) wild, meta horror film. A bunch of randos get offered tickets to a special showing at a movie theater displaying props from the film in the lobby. One patron gets cut when she tries on a mask and then watches in horror as the same thing happens to a character within the film who quickly turns into a demon. Guess what happens to her. This has gore, puss, and screams coming out of every orifice and while that's fun for a while, it quickly starts to lose some steam. I'd love to see a remake of this that treats it with some degree of seriousness and restraint, because a tighter story and proper scare-building could make this into something really special. This version, however, is a fun enough time at the movies. Just don't mess with the decorations.

B, B for scares


Terrified

This Argentinian movie has a really great premise and an exciting build to a third act that doesn't exist. A semi-suburban city block experiences an infestation of ghosts and ghoulies that manifest differently for three different neighbors. The first act covers each house one-by-one and introduces new characters while freaking me the CINECAST! out. The next act sees paranormal investigators and a cop on the verge of retirement come to the neighborhood and set up shop in the houses. Even more scary stuff happens. Then it ends. What? Where's the climax? There are some great creature designs and the movie opens with a really great, shocking scene of supernatural violence. But then the whole thing just ends with a modicum of closure. I don't demand explanations, but I would like to see a movie end conclusively. This one feels like they ran out of time or money. It's still worth a watch, just don't get your hopes up.

B, A- for scares


Halloween

I saw this was playing at a movie theater near campus and was excited to see a favorite of mine on the big screen, especially given the wonderful experience I had at the same place a few weeks earlier with The Thing. Here's a word of warning, don't go to a movie theater near a college campus for a late showing of a horror movie on Friday night. The audience laughed every time Michael showed up on screen and howled through the kill sequences. It was the worst. The movie was still great, though.

A, F for audience


The Endless

From the writer-director duo who made Resolution and Spring, The Endless is another fantastic indie horror-ish movie. Two brothers who escaped from an UFO death cult at a young age go back to see them before they kill themselves. At the compound they find an idyllic way of life that doesn't seem so bad, at least as long as you aren't looking too closely. Some supernatural shit starts happening and as the reality of their situation became increasingly apparent I became more and more enthralled with the film. It looks really good for its small budget and they use suggestion and off-screen happenings really well so that I never felt cheated and was always more curious to see what would happen next. This one is definitely worth a watch, especially if you know and like these guys from their earlier works.

A-, B for scares

Apostle

You put Dan Stevens in folk horror movie directed by Gareth Evans and I'm gonna watch the crap out of that. Safe Haven, his segment from VHS2, is one of the best horror things of the past decade and I had high hopes that this full-length effort would expand on that promise. It does and doesn't. There's a greater sense of character and place here, the film's two biggest strengths. But what starts as a more-violent Wicker Man doesn't quite turn into the bat-shit insanity of Safe Haven's wild ending. There are suggestions, hints here and there, that what you are seeing isn't exactly what is happening, but Evans doesn't deliver on that as much as he might have. Instead, we get a satisfying story of familial dedication and the madness of small religious communities. I would have liked to see more, but this is a good enough start on bringing the qualities I loved from Safe Haven to the big time.

A-, B for scares

I'm working my way through Mike Flannigan's The Haunting of Hill House and its the best new thing I've seen this Shocktober so far, but I don't want to write about it until I've seen the whole thing. Same goes for season 2 of Channel Zero, which I'm liking a lot.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 15, 2018, 04:04:18 PM
I'm gonna need a moment.

I will say you've now watched my least favorite movie of all time... Demons.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 15, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
(https://imgur.com/dxYjvtV.jpg)
Rollercoaster (1977)
"I think I should tell you about the bomb. Would you like to know where it is?
You're holding it.
Now, do I have your full attention?"


When I was a boy, I loved this manhunt thriller, and I'm happy that it mostly holds up. Timothy Bottoms plays a domestic terrorist who is staging accidents at various American amusement parks. A Safety Commissioner (George Segal) teams up with an FBI Agent (Richard Widmark) to stop him. That's the simple premise by writers Richard Levinson & William Link. Unlike their more famous Mystery writing (Murder She Wrote and a personal favorite, Vanishing Act) there are no twists. This is a straight ahead game of cat-and-mouse.

Strange thing about the pacing. The film is nearly two-hours long and features lengthy sequences of slowly-building suspense set in amusement parks. It should be a lot less interesting, but because of the setting and the time period there's a documentary fascination to the atmosphere. I enjoyed seeing the clothes, the cheap souvenirs and prizes, the looks on people faces as they ride these decades old coasters. The score by Lalo Schifrin balances a lot of amusement park, carnival music with the ominous theme of the bad guy, Psycho strings set to a relentless Jaws tempo.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Okay

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 15, 2018, 10:18:47 PM
I wish I had internet tonight so I could watch Apostle.  I guess I'll have to wait.

A Nightmare on Elm Street

My daughter and I are catching up with some classic horror films, at her request.  This one is a repeat for me, but I haven't seen it since the early 90s.

It certainly has lost some of the charm since then.  The acting was so wooden that it looks like everyone, including Johnny Depp, is trying out for Pinocchio. Mrs. oldkid speculates that the acting was purposely poor, imitating a 50's style to reflect the fashion and basic format going back to monster movies.  I disagree, but who knows.  I only know that the quality of acting and production was laughably noticeable.  Which is not what I expected of my scariest film of that era.

What I still love is the clever additions that weren't necessary, but shows the creativity that this production was filled with. The stairs becoming gloopy quicksand, Robert Egland's creepy joy and one-liners.  That's what makes this franchise so full of possibilities.  Possibilities that weren't really reached until the third film, if my memory is correct.  We'll see.

3.5/5
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 15, 2018, 10:22:50 PM
The Howling
Mostly agree. John Sayles co-wrote the screenplay, and this is often brought up as a sign of quality, but it's not a good script so maybe Horror isn't really Sayles' thing.


Revenge
The direction is bold, but not in a good way. More in a pretentious film school way. The most striking shots are the extreme close-ups with the exaggerated sound effects. I'd like to see Lutz prove me wrong by being awesome the next time out.


The Bay
Barry Levinson! Like with Sayles, he seems ill-suited to the material. There's an entertaining way to be gross in horror. This misses the fun of it completely. 


Demons
Demons is slightly less off-putting to watch than 2 Girls, 1 Cup. And it's about as professional in the technical qualities. Screenplay would be a tie.

Any remake would be better. It simply has to be.



I'm working my way through Mike Flannigan's The Haunting of Hill House and its the best new thing I've seen this Shocktober so far, but I don't want to write about it until I've seen the whole thing. Same goes for season 2 of Channel Zero, which I'm liking a lot.
I didn't know that was Flannigan. Now I'm certain to see it.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 15, 2018, 10:31:29 PM
A Nightmare on Elm Street

It certainly has lost some of the charm since then.  The acting was so wooden that it looks like everyone, including Johnny Depp, is trying out for Pinocchio.
LOL! And yes. I always thought the acting was oddly poor and the production values low enough to often pull me out of the experience. I love Craven, but he was really doing his best with what he had and wasn't a strong director until Scream.

That's what makes this franchise so full of possibilities.  Possibilities that weren't really reached until the third film, if my memory is correct.  We'll see.
That sounds right. Elm Street 3 is the first one I really liked.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Corndog on October 16, 2018, 09:46:11 AM
Halloween

I saw this was playing at a movie theater near campus and was excited to see a favorite of mine on the big screen, especially given the wonderful experience I had at the same place a few weeks earlier with The Thing. Here's a word of warning, don't go to a movie theater near a college campus for a late showing of a horror movie on Friday night. The audience laughed every time Michael showed up on screen and howled through the kill sequences. It was the worst. The movie was still great, though.

A, F for audience

I will say I kinda hate seeing old movies on the big screen for this reason. I can remember going to see a Hitchcock (can't remember if it was The Birds, or North by Northwest maybe), and the audience laughing at the dated technologies. Laughter during a tense moment kind of kills the experience a little bit.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 16, 2018, 12:31:16 PM
It can be hit or miss for sure. As a counterexample, I had literally just seen North by Northwest in the same theater half an hour earlier and it was a fantastic experience. When I saw Jaws a few years back the only dumb audience thing was multiple exclamations about smoking in a hospital.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 16, 2018, 08:32:38 PM
Plus you had to watch Jaws  :P

Watched The Evil Dead just now, and it felt very familiar. Turns out it's because, according to Letterboxd, I watched it before. Not for last Shocktober, unless I forgot to log the date, maybe the one before? Regardless, I still liked it a good deal and remained impressed by the camera (sometimes more in theory than in practice, but I assume that had to do with the budget), probably should watch the second one. Do wish I watched something new, though from what I've heard I'm right to put off Friday the 13th, and with the festival coming up my Shocktober may be nearing its end, but still, I like this movie.

Not giving it a Goosebumps book because I'm a bad fan and didn't go see Goosebumps this weekend.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on October 16, 2018, 10:15:09 PM
My Cousin Rachel (1952)[/size]

Oh Sandy!

I had not idea there was an Olivia de Havilland film you hadn't seen yet! If it's at my library, I'll try and get to it this month. It's close enough to the Schocktober theme for me! :)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on October 16, 2018, 11:00:21 PM
Scream (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894434#msg894434)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 17, 2018, 12:41:34 AM
My Cousin Rachel (1952)[/size]

Oh Sandy!

I had not idea there was an Olivia de Havilland film you hadn't seen yet! If it's at my library, I'll try and get to it this month. It's close enough to the Schocktober theme for me! :)

I have 8 more to go, including Libel (1959), which I've had in my collection for about a year and That Lady (1955), where she wears an eyepatch. I've been sitting on My Cousin Rachel for the better part of a year, waiting for Shocktober to come around.

I would also remind you of Trouble For Two (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14226.msg893060#msg893060), which takes more of a turn into Shocktober and stars the safe hands of Robert Montgomery, Rosalind Russell and Frank Morgan.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 17, 2018, 12:48:08 AM
Errementari: The Blacksmith and the Devil

A fairy tale for grown ups by a Basque director.  This film's plot is simple enough for children, and dark and gruesome enough for them, as well.  Not something I would show to my ten year olds, but they would watch it late at night and shiver in secret, enjoying every minute. 

Sure the plot of souls swapped for love and devils who have a good side is sometime silly, but it's all in good fun. The sets, however, are worthy of del Toro, every scene a spectacle of black and red.

Tame enough for Sandy, fun enough for almost everyone.

4/5
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 17, 2018, 08:18:54 AM
The Howling
Mostly agree. John Sayles co-wrote the screenplay, and this is often brought up as a sign of quality, but it's not a good script so maybe Horror isn't really Sayles' thing.

I was more excited about the Joe Dante of it all, but even that comes up lacking, unfortunately.

Revenge
The direction is bold, but not in a good way. More in a pretentious film school way. The most striking shots are the extreme close-ups with the exaggerated sound effects. I'd like to see Lutz prove me wrong by being awesome the next time out.

Film school pretentious is a bit harsh. It's not subtle, but there are plenty of subtle horror movies. I'm definitely interested in the next outing, so at least we have that in common.

The Bay
Barry Levinson! Like with Sayles, he seems ill-suited to the material. There's an entertaining way to be gross in horror. This misses the fun of it completely. 

I wouldn't say it misses it completely, but it definitely could be more fun.

Demons
Demons is slightly less off-putting to watch than 2 Girls, 1 Cup. And it's about as professional in the technical qualities. Screenplay would be a tie.

Any remake would be better. It simply has to be.

Lol, it's not that bad! I did watch the sequel the other day and that one is pretty bad. It doesn't have the meta-ness that propels this one up a notch or two.

I'm working my way through Mike Flannigan's The Haunting of Hill House and its the best new thing I've seen this Shocktober so far, but I don't want to write about it until I've seen the whole thing. Same goes for season 2 of Channel Zero, which I'm liking a lot.
I didn't know that was Flannigan. Now I'm certain to see it.

I hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on October 17, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
I have 8 more to go, including Libel (1959), which I've had in my collection for about a year and That Lady (1955), where she wears an eyepatch. I've been sitting on My Cousin Rachel for the better part of a year, waiting for Shocktober to come around.

I would also remind you of Trouble For Two (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14226.msg893060#msg893060), which takes more of a turn into Shocktober and stars the safe hands of Robert Montgomery, Rosalind Russell and Frank Morgan.

I put Trouble For Two on my watchlist, but it's not at my library, so maybe I can find another route some time. But! My Cousin Rachel is there, so I'll give it a go!

8 more films is a good amount. You won't run out of de Havilland films for a while. :)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: philip918 on October 17, 2018, 04:03:24 PM
8 more films is a good amount. You won't run out of de Havilland films for a while. :)

Are you kidding? That's a lazy weekend for 1SO.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 17, 2018, 04:41:19 PM
A Quiet Place

(https://i.imgur.com/hWsgF4e.png)

Silence is one of the go-to tricks of many a horror film. Itís a classic way to lead up to a jump scare or build suspense. It naturally draws the viewer in, puts them on edge, because thereís something unnerving about silence in a world where weíve become so used to the noise.

Itís the sound of silence that makes A Quiet Place an interesting vision of a post-apocalyptic future . Monsters of an unknown origin are extremely sensitive to any sound, meaning that the few humans left are humans who have committed to lives of silence. Raiding shops in silence and laying down paths of sand to traverse barefoot reshape the world into a place where the slightest noise could bring death.

The Abbott family may be the only people left on earth as far as they know, able to adapt to the silence due to their eldest, Regan (Millicent Simmonds), being deaf. The family communicates through sign language and builds an entire abode around making as little noise as possible. Their youngest Beau dies after an incident with a toy that makes noise. The father, Lee (John Krasinski), retreats into his grief while the mother, Evelyn (Emily Blunt), tries to emotionally support Marcus (Noah Jupe) as Lee begins to place more responsibility on him.

If that sounds more like a family drama than a horror film itís because a lot of the early film is building up that family drama and exploring the different relational tensions between family members. Writing duo Bryan Woods & Scott Beck team up with John Krasinski to craft one of the most humane horror movies of recent years. The shocks and schlock take a back-seat to a lot of quiet character moments.

Itís the performances that hold this film together. The vast majority of this film is communicated through sign language so itís gestures with hands, facial expressions and a gaze that will communicate more than words alone could say.

The obvious standout performance is Millicent Simmonds, a deaf actress who--beyond giving an authenticity to the performance--is able to express so much emotion with her eyes and hands that a wellspring of intensity comes out well beyond most actresses her age.

John Krasinski melts into his role as the stern father with this deeply intense sadness about him. Thereís always this sense heís on the edge of tears, that he is in a constant state of emotional fragility.

Emily Blunt works as the cornerstone of the cast, able to play off the more intense emotions flung about her while also giving what looks like a rather physically intense performance given an early plot twist.

With such a cast and premise, itís not surprising that the best moments of the film are quiet bits where a character wants to scream in frustration but canít or a father shows his son how to fish. Life here happens in the silence, in the unspoken, in the little tasks. Laundry hung out to dry or a silent prayer before a dinner eaten in silence. Those moments speak to much of meant of what it means to be family: to live in proximity but to also share in life for good and ill.

In a world falling apart, A Quiet Place finds solace in family. The world it envisions is terrifying and horrible, but it never comes across as bleak or insane as its post-apocalyptic contemporaries such as Mad Max: Fury Road or The Walking Dead. Thereís a sense that even if the civilization falls apart people will continue to live and love and that will be enough to keep the world going.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 17, 2018, 07:14:55 PM
Ghost Stories (2017)

That connected-anthology structure gives Ghost Stories its imaginative frights and unfortunately undercuts their power. We know, because Nyman interviews each subject, that they survive their paranormal encounters and that each segment will be relatively short.

Junior (in an extremely positive review) highlights a significant shortfall here. Admittedly the rules of horror often put certain people largely in a safe position (you often know who the final girl will be from early on) but the flashback structure definitely dulls the dread. What also dulls the dread is that the three horror sequences are simply not interestingly crafted. That more than knowing the subject survives is the damning factor for me. After the stories the film takes some very twisty turns, one of which is blatantly telegraphed by atrocious makeup.

At the end of the day, I guess I didn't get it. It's interesting that often times the fanboy's taunt of a reviewer who doesn't like the thing they like is "you didn't get it" as if that defends the work of art. Having the audience get it is kind of the point, so accusing someone of not getting it is accusing the art of failing.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 17, 2018, 10:37:45 PM
The Bay

A rewatch that reminded me how much bugs crawling inside people freaks me out.

You must like that bit in the Matrix... :)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 17, 2018, 11:09:53 PM
The Bay

A rewatch that reminded me how much bugs crawling inside people freaks me out.

You must like that bit in the Matrix... :)

Or the segment in Creepshow.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 17, 2018, 11:14:50 PM
A Quiet Place

The Abbott family may be the only people left on earth as far as they know, able to adapt to the silence due to their eldest, Regan (Millicent Simmonds), being deaf. The family communicates through sign language and builds an entire abode around making as little noise as possible. Their youngest Beau dies after an incident with a toy that makes noise.

Even though they chose to telegraph that outcome somewhat, the speed and viciousness of it was way beyond anything I had expected. I put on my seatbelt after that...
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 17, 2018, 11:15:44 PM
The Bay

A rewatch that reminded me how much bugs crawling inside people freaks me out.

You must like that bit in the Matrix... :)

Or the segment in Creepshow.

Or Russell Crowe's maggoty shoulder wound in Gladiator. *Picture it* :))
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 18, 2018, 12:40:23 AM
Congratulations to Mike Flanagan. His 4th episode of The Haunting of Hill House contains the first scene of the year where I'm now worried about getting a peaceful night's sleep.

My thoughts so far: If you're only in it for the scares, this will come off as slow. I initially questioned a 500-minute adaptation, but the attention paid to the characters has me wanting to see a lot more horror treated this way. From Wikipedia:

Quote
Jackson's novel relies on terror rather than horror to elicit emotion in the reader, using complex relationships between the mysterious events in the house and the charactersí psyches.

I didn't quite understand the meaning, but there is a different approach to the chilling moments here then I'm used to. Flanagan has a lot of story to tell over multiple time frames and a it's fascinating to see how events shape and change the characters over the years. When he then puts the story into scare mode, the resonance amps things up in a natural way that's way more effective than loud noises and sharp edits.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 18, 2018, 02:24:51 AM
The Descent

This one took a bit to get it's groove.  The intro was choppy editing, mugs by the actors, clips of relationships that aren't followed up on and then tragedy followed by stupid jump scares. A year later, it's some poor character development and poor dialogue. 

And then they enter the cave.

It takes a minute for things to warm up, but once it gets intense, it never lets up.  Like Hereditary, there are different kinds of horror going on here-- disaster, betrayal, claustrophobia, monsters, and basic survival. You never know what horrible thing will happen next, but once it begins it doesn't let up.  This was tension, fear, horror, grotesque, and hurt all wrapped up on one.

If you are looking for an aerobic workout while sitting on our couch, this is the one for you.

4/5
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Beavermoose on October 18, 2018, 02:38:02 AM
Unsane
(https://pmcvariety.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/unsane-movie-2.jpg?w=1000&h=563&crop=1)
Soderbergh makes a campy horror movie. Shot on Iphone it almost feels like a Dogma movie, the look did throw me off at first but once I really started getting into the story it sort of made sense to have this "not quite reality" aesthetic. The whole seemingly contrived kafkaesk premise of her getting interned without her consent is resolved as a critique of the american health care system. It felt incredibly current given the current governments push against any kind of public healthcare. The plot device that she is being stalked is also very relevant to current state of women's rights in America and when Foy finally starts fighting back it is one of the most powerful scenes of the year.

The Love Witch
(https://66.media.tumblr.com/64843bc8fef1790ef8f8a0bb135f9645/tumblr_om8mr2BuGt1upazamo1_540.gif)
I watched this with my queer housemate who was completely on board with the film's campiness and style. Those colours are incredible. The movie is definitely too long at 2 hours but the tongue in cheek humour and deconstruction of gender and sexuality is right up my alley. Let's face it, we definitely need more men crying in cinema.

Frailty
(http://www.cinemas-online.co.uk/images/thumb/0/1/66/frailty-18.jpg)
Holy shit I hated the ending of this movie. It felt like a conservative's wet dream. A "good guy with a gun" type argument to justify brutal murders. I know he's not portrayed in a positive light but it was still just awful. I predicted the "twist" really early in as well. I actually like Bill Paxton less after watching this movie, not just because of his character but because he actually made this. The premise had lots of potential but the way this entire movie played out just made me angry rather than frightened.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 18, 2018, 09:21:35 AM
The Descent

This one took a bit to get it's groove.  The intro was choppy editing, mugs by the actors, clips of relationships that aren't followed up on and then tragedy followed by stupid jump scares. A year later, it's some poor character development and poor dialogue. 
I was hooked right away with the shock of the initial tragedy. Perhaps because of the film's pace, that shock carries me through all the scenes before the cave. I remember the follow-up jump scares, probably my least favorite thing about the film.



I had Frailty down for a rewatch this year, but something kept it as a low priority. Now, I'm certain it'll wait.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on October 18, 2018, 11:28:48 AM
Val Lewton: The Man in the Shadows (Kent Jones, 2007)

RKO Pictures was in a bad state financially after the debacle caused by The Magnificent Ambersons. Val Lewton, who previously had worked for David O. Selznick, was brought in to produce cheap horror films for the company. The first movie was Cat People (1942) which cost about USD 130,000 to make.

Lewton produced ten more movies for RKO before he moved on to Paramount Studios. Several of these are labelled as horror movies at the IMDb. At the same time they also are poetic and surpriseful. The lighting design is an important factor to the quality of the movies as the title of this documentary suggests. Val Lewton died in 1951 at the age of 46.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 18, 2018, 09:34:14 PM
Goosebumps 2: Haunted Halloween

This thing is fine, but if I was going to see a Jack Black Halloween thing (he's barely in this anyway), it'd probably be the Roth. But I didn't see that. I saw this. And it was fine. In a number of ways it was more of a Goosebumps thing than the first because it really takes its time to focus on Slappy in the way the first film sort of just crammed in as many monsters as it could. This gets there, but it doesn't make it so overt, nor are they 'pure' Goosebumps baddies, but also I sort of missed that, I guess, so who knows what I want.

To be honest, I want a bunch of shorts brought to life, but that's not going to happen. Or just a legit RL story that he writes for the big screen, assuming he even writes anymore, but I'd even settle for a ghost writer. There are parts here that are funny, the cast is solid, I had fun and enjoyed my time, it just never captured that spirit. Or even made me scared like the show still can.

On a scale of scary, I would give this a...(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/goosebumps/images/4/46/Gyg_logo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170201155120)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on October 18, 2018, 10:27:00 PM
8 more films is a good amount. You won't run out of de Havilland films for a while. :)

Are you kidding? That's a lazy weekend for 1SO.

:D

You're right!

But, for some reason, he's been parsing out the Havilland films, perhaps not wanting to come to the end of the list.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on October 18, 2018, 11:19:58 PM
Alien (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894567#msg894567)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 18, 2018, 11:56:24 PM
But, for some reason, he's been parsing out the Havilland films, perhaps not wanting to come to the end of the list.
I want to give equal time to Bette Davis, Rosalind Russell, Ginger Rogers and Myrna Loy. (Also Barbara Stanwyck, but she's even closer to completion.)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 19, 2018, 09:36:01 PM
The Haunting of Hill House - Episode 5: "The Bent-Neck Lady"
★ ★ ★ Ĺ
Here is where the show goes from being really good to being potentially Essential. A lot of threads in the time line - I can't believe how smoothly the narrative flows considering how it's always jumping back and forth in time - get connected here. However, I'm curious if the episode can also stand on its own. I'm seriously considering showing it apart from the rest of the series to Mrs. 1SO because the central tale of Nell's inability to sleep connected to a mysterious ghost I think works as a self-contained chilling tale. Either way, the end of this episode is the first Asuperplus scene of Mike Flanagan's career. (I always knew he had it in him.) I had to stop and reflect and today I watched the episode again. I hope the series can continue at this high level of quality.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 20, 2018, 12:22:32 AM
I came on here tonight to give the highest praise to Episode 5 of the Haunting of Hill House.  Oh, my goodness, it all comes together in just a few fine, tearful, frightening scenes at the end.  It is worth the hours of watching, wondering if it is worth it.  It is, certainly.  For anyone.  All the best and worst of family in this case makes the best horror series I've seen. 

I'm going back immediately to continue.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 20, 2018, 04:04:14 PM
The Haunting of Hill House
★ ★ ★ - Very Good
Iím having reservations because the show peaks in the middle episodes. While the ending episodes close the narrative nicely, it puts more responsibility on the writing and cast than it should. Oddly touchy-feely. I respect the different approach, not building to a battle between good and evil. Iím just not comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 21, 2018, 12:29:22 AM
Knife + Heart

Excuse the lack of a proper review as this is now my 11th film in 3 days, and while one could debate its Shocktober merits, PFF did toss it in the Graveyard Shift section and also it knows that elements of the slasher genre are at play. Sadly, those elements get muddled, like a lot of the film, in just how big the cast gets for what is, very much, an examination of the central woman. The mystery is secondary to her development, which makes me understand why Cannes would have brought this aboard despite it not feeling quite like their fare either. Not sure that ambition is the right word to use here, but I do admire the vision.

On a scale of scary, I give this a...(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/goosebumps/images/3/34/How_I_Got_My_Shrunken_Head_%28Cover%29.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170323021811)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 22, 2018, 03:58:51 PM
I Know What You Did Last Summer

If only shrieks equaled frightening and good looks equaled decent acting, then this would be a great film.  As it is, I took a break for a half hour in the middle of the climax, and then decided to finish it anyway.

2/5

Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: philip918 on October 22, 2018, 06:29:02 PM
Pardon me, while I go write the screenplay: Good Looking Shrieks.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 22, 2018, 08:42:31 PM
I honestly never thought Mrs. 1SO would want to watch Halloween (1978), let alone that she would like it as much as she did. She thinks the fun is with the camera playing a constant game of "Where's Michael?," sometimes in the deep background, sometimes right on top of you. She thinks the simplicity of Myers, from the blank face to the lack of any psychological motivation, makes him a perfect horror everyman. He might kill you just because... he doesn't need a reason. She also really appreciated the lack of blood and guts, which makes the tension more effective.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 22, 2018, 09:01:32 PM
I think she identified all the qualities that make it such a classic.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on October 23, 2018, 06:17:55 PM
I don't want to revisit Halloween because the FS podcast review reiterated the very things that killed the film for me-- no (consistent) motivation for Meyers and stupid actions on the part of the victims.  It feels like lazy writing to me.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 23, 2018, 08:41:20 PM
The First Purge (2018)

While I would maintain that The Purge was an extremely well made film, the rest of this series has gotten on more based on thematic potency than on filmmaking quality. The series is reducio ad absurdum in the best way, highlighting real race and class divides by taking them to violent extremes. In going backwards from the other entries to create an origin story for The Purge, it hits on a few things that resonate.

The first was timely for me in that this morning Matt Yglesias of Vox published a piece about the hack gap, a system in which right-wing media that is more propaganda than journalism is able to drive the mainstream narratives. Thinking about the attempt portrayed here of a test of The Purge, I think of how Fox News et al would cover such an event, and I could see them ready to sell the New Founding Fathers' lines and arguments to a gullible audience. In the buildup we see how their stereotypes are at play, expecting this African-American heavy population to let loose on each other if given the chance, conceiving them as less human. We get this all the time when the All Lives Matter crowd shouts about "black on black crime." And if the community proves more resilient, distort the truth.

While there are certainly moments where I fear aspects of this film are less metaphor and more prognostication, that of a literal armed resistance having to stand up against fascists, I fear the metaphoric strength is undersold. No, the government will probably not install a system that is tantamount to genocide of poor, disproportionately non-white people. But the Republican Party is very keen on ripping apart what little safety net we have. This would have the effect of drastically increasing deaths among poor, disproportionately non-white people. It is a party that pulls environmental regs so that poor areas in particular are polluted. It is a party that puts barriers around food and housing benefits so that people are malnourished and exposed to the conditions. It is a party that seeks to put barriers around health care. Our fears of a literal purge maybe leave us insufficiently alarmed to the technocratic genocide that is represented by Republican politics.

If these are the two threads that went through my head watching the movie, that might be me doing the heavy lifting, not the film. While it is never a subtle franchise, nor is it blunt in a precise, intelligent way. Still, I forgive the series many of its weak points because it does at least engender in me such contemplation. The one thing I have difficulty with is its portrayal of Staten Island, which is 65% white and only 9% black, as overwhelmingly non-white and in need of importing its racists.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 24, 2018, 01:31:20 PM
(https://imgur.com/n206VQS.jpg)
Elvira, Mistress of the Dark (1988)
"There's nothing wrong with G-rated movies, as long as there's lots of sex and violence."

A surprising new entry on They Shoot Zombies, I never got into the cult of Elvira as a teen. My wife was a fan of her personality and this movie, which made it an easy pick to watch together. Watching the cult of Hocus Pocus grow with each passing year, I expected this movie to be pitched to a similar type of Halloween movie crowd, and it is but it also isn't. This is a comedy first, but the humor is much more PG-13. It goes as broad as HP, but within there are quite a few more clever and knowing lines. It's not just 90-minutes of cleavage gags and corny puns, and there's a charm to Cassandra Peterson's performance as Elvira. She gets that her character is a joke, but she also wants to be accepted for who she is, which I could see as being empowering for a teen or pre-teen who feels like an outcast.

(https://imgur.com/iIz79Vu.jpg)
"I must apologize for my behavior in the office, it's just that your appearance was a bit of a shock to me."
"It's okay. My appearance is kind of a shock to everybody."

Peterson is not a good actress and the film could've been much better if she acted less like a TV host and more like the person who plays a TV host. Like her look, she kind of grows on you over the movie so that even some of her corny lines are pretty funny. (After putting on a show for the kids in town, she makes a drinking toast with her friends by exclaiming, "Here's to my big opening!") The tone skirts a very fine line, coming off as wholesome and kind of sweet while also including some horror violence, a couple of scary creatures and Elvira's numerous suggestive outfits.
Rating: ★ ★ Ĺ

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 24, 2018, 07:39:27 PM
Hereditary (2018)

I suppose there's a technical credit to the film in how it is shot and certain creepy aspects of its design. But I couldn't really follow the mythology of it nor derive any type of useful metaphor from it. I left feeling such a high level of contempt for every bit of it. Worst film of the year.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 24, 2018, 08:30:20 PM
How scary was it for you from 0 to 10?
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 24, 2018, 09:32:17 PM
Like 2? I wasnít invested in the reality of the world enough to fret about harms. Nor does it do cheap jump scares, which while cheap are scary in the reflexive way. This just had a couple gross sights.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 25, 2018, 12:12:55 AM
(https://imgur.com/vZ2AKj2.jpg)
Cult of Chucky (2017)
"Let me explain something to you. I am a vintage, mass marketed children's toy from the '80s,
standing right in front of you, holding a very sharp scalpel."


I have now completed Don Mancini's portion of the Child's Play saga (so far.) Seven films all written by him, the last three of which he directed. The series doesn't go out on a high note, with too many characters brought back, not to tie up loose ends but set up a larger universe. I didn't even realize this film was ending because everything was left unresolved. The hook this time is Chucky has decided to expand his empire by possessing a posse of dolls, as well as a few humans. Returning to the series are Andy from movies 1 and 3, Nica from the last film and Chucky's wife Tiffany Valentine, along with her real-life counterpart Jennifer Tilly. The main setting is a mental hospital, which is both tired and disrespectful. Also the gleeful murder spree is more violent than it needs to be.

Despite the unsatisfying entry, the Chucky films have been far more interesting to watch that slasher counterparts Jason and Michael Myers, about on par with Freddy. I've enjoyed watching Mancini gain confidence as a writer while locking in on the right balance of terror and comedy. The first movie is pretty good and the sequels Curse (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=13051.msg785046#msg785046) and Bride of Chucky are neck-in-neck for the best of the series.
Rating: ★ ★

(http://imgur.com/dlbHWTG.jpg) - Gory
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on October 25, 2018, 05:35:19 AM
I know that this maybe is slightly off topic here and better suited for a thread in itself, but I also feel that the subject matter fits here just as good. If the thread creator, or a moderator, wants to remove this, feel free to do so.

Writer John Ajvide Lindqvist (author of Let The Right One In) recently was interviewed in the newspaper we subscribe to and the article was wrapped up with his Top 5 Horror Scenes:

Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 25, 2018, 11:48:48 AM
Despite the unsatisfying entry, the Chucky films have been far more interesting to watch that slasher counterparts Jason and Michael Myers, about on par with Freddy. I've enjoyed watching Mancini gain confidence as a writer while locking in on the right balance of terror and comedy. The first movie is pretty good and the sequels Curse (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=13051.msg785046#msg785046) and Bride of Chucky are neck-in-neck for the best of the series.
I've wanted to get to the Chucky franchise but hearing it's on-par with the Nightmare series definitely bumps up my interest. For some reason I generally expected it to be beneath Friday the 13th series quality.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 25, 2018, 12:30:49 PM
A Brief History of Chucky:

Child's Play (1988) (D: Tom Holland, W: Don Mancini, John Lafia, Tom Holland)
Humble Beginnings with mild thrills and mild laughs.
★ ★ ★ - Okay

Child's Play 2 (1990) (D: John Lafia, W: Don Mancini)
Strange the let the OTHER writer direct this by-the-numbers sequel. No scarier than a jack-in-the-box, and not that funny.
★  ★

Child's Play 3 (1991) (D: Jack Bender, W: Don Mancini)
Mancini's script is there, but hack director doesn't get the joke. Treats Chucky like any human-sized slasher.
★  Ĺ

Bride of Chucky (1998) (D: Ronny Yu, W: Don Mancini)
After a long break, Don Mancini takes a Producer credit and puts Chucky on the right path. A perfectly cast Jennifer Tilly and fun kills by Ronny Yu (Freddy vs. Jason).
★ ★ ★ - Good

Seed of Chucky (2004) (D: Don Mancini, W: Don Mancini)
Mancini isnít a strong director his first time out lacking the scares, surprise or tension needed for a horror film. The script here is his most comedic, too much so, with way too many meta jokes, most of which donít land.
★  ★

Curse of Chucky (2013) (D: Don Mancini, W: Don Mancini)
While Seed is a bad film by itself, as part of the series it's cool to see Mancini learn from his mistakes. This Chucky is slightly less funny and a lot more scary. Folds some new characters neatly into Mancini's overall vision.
★ ★ ★ - Good

Cult of Chucky (2007) (D: Don Mancini, W: Don Mancini)
I've read some other opinions that were more favorable because it's clear that Mancini is doing whatever he wants. It's like how Mitch Hurwitz never tried to make Arrested Development more accessible. You were either on board or you're not. It's unusual to see a slasher that's not corporate product or a bunch of fan service.
★  ★


While that's not a majority of positive recommendations, there's a personal touch to the series that reminds me of what James Gunn was doing with Guardians of the Galaxy.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Antares on October 25, 2018, 05:23:06 PM
Eyes Without a Face (1960) 65/100 - Had the pacing not been so painfully slow, I probably would have rated this higher. Pierre Brasseur is just a bit too stiff in his portrayal, and it doesn't help the screenplay a bit. I think with a different actor, one less pondering in his performance, and this would be a great film. Another thing that was annoying was the music that played every time Alida Valli was hunting for subjects. It seems too much a coincidence, that it wasn't lifted as a motif, from The Third Man.


(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on October 26, 2018, 04:04:19 AM
The Forest (Jason Zada, 2016)

Sara's twin sister Jess is a teacher working in Japan. Jess goes missing and the leads are pointing in the direction of the Aokigahara forest on Mount Fuji, which is a very popular spot for suicide attempts. Sara immediately leaves for Japan and from there the logic leaves the movie just as fast. The story is thin, the acting dismal, the scares are cheap and the forest is very green.

10į

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Antares on October 26, 2018, 10:58:46 AM
Pharaoh's Curse (1957) 45/100 - Found this on TCM on demand, and it was a complete waste of an hour of my life. Only really worth watching to look at Ziva Rodann, who was an amazingly beautiful woman. Incredibly slow, and not one scare that would even give you a shiver or shudder.


(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Antares on October 26, 2018, 01:10:44 PM
Captain Kronos - Vampire Hunter (1974) 62/100 - More campy and comical than scary, you can feel Hammer is on the downside of their popularity and creativity. The lead, Horst Janson is painfully boring and has no screen presence to speak of. Maybe with someone who could actually act, or maybe wield a sword, this could have been much better. And although Caroline Munro is hypnotizing to look at, she has virtually no talent whatsoever. She's eye candy, pure and simple. It's the peripheral character actors that give this film any credibility at all.


(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 26, 2018, 01:50:54 PM
I will rewatch Eyes Without a Face one day.

I'm aiming to never watch The Forest, but I can make no guarantee.

Of course I had to look up Ziva Rodann. She's no Barbara Steele.
Is the film a Mummy movie or a Vampire film? The plot description reads like they try to have it both ways.

Captain Kronos is the kind of film that should be remade. The premise is sound, but it needs a more charismatic cast and a fight choreographer.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Antares on October 26, 2018, 04:12:08 PM
Is the film a Mummy movie or a Vampire film? The plot description reads like they try to have it both ways.

Both
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 27, 2018, 12:05:54 AM
Friday the 13th

I'm all about that ending, when the swamp leper jumps out of the water. It's really the only memorable part of the film for me. The only part I would call great. The fight with Mrs. Voorhees was good. Watching her take a gun butt to the face was kind of funny, because she goes down like the old sack of potatoes that she is. I wish more of the violence had the head-shaking humour of that scene. Other than that the film is unremarkable. A bore really.

4/10
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 28, 2018, 12:45:43 AM
It's not that I haven't been watching Horror films. I just haven't been into writing about them.

The Old Dark House (1963)
Let's Kill Uncle (1966)
★ ★
Love William Castle, but these later films show him rapidly losing steam. Shot in washed-out color with questionable performances, Castle had a knack for the fun side of terror, but these films are only slightly weird, which is neither scary nor fun.

The Others (2001)
★ ★ ★ - Very Good
Earlier this month I showed Mrs. 1SO The Innocents and she was as disappointed as I am (twice now). I've always thought of this as the better adult and children ghost story, but the wife had an oddly negative reaction to the twist, which she thought was too much of a twist. While it makes logical sense she didn't like how it's like (in her words) "serving you tea and then telling you it's actually a milkshake." She also thought Kidman was all bug-eyes while her voice alternates between whispers and shrieks.

I liked it even more this time and wish Alejandro AmenŠbar would make make more films with this much style.
The Strangler (1964)
★ ★ Ĺ
It's a post-Psycho world, with scantily-clad ladies and a killer who is clearly climaxing when he commits murder. Victor Buono is a very interesting presence, large in size, yet there's a sweetness to his face and very handsome eyes. The police scenes are routine, but Buono has picked up the soulfulness of Peter Lorre.

When a Stranger Calls Back (1993)
★ ★ ★ - Good
I forgot I had seen this until it got to the extremely clever finale. I always remember the beginning (as good as the first film), but this is ultimately better. Not saying much, but I know smirnoff is a fan so I'd like to let him know it's still a good one.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on October 28, 2018, 04:22:39 AM
When a Stranger Calls Back (1993)
★ ★ ★ - Good
I forgot I had seen this until it got to the extremely clever finale. I always remember the beginning (as good as the first film), but this is ultimately better. Not saying much, but I know smirnoff is a fan so I'd like to let him know it's still a good one.

Woop! Glad to hear it! :) That ending was one of the scariest things I can remember seeing in a film. As a kid it got in my head. Now I just think it's an incredibly neat trick and really well executed.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Bondo on October 28, 2018, 07:18:00 AM
The Terror

Watched the first four episodes of this series from AMC. Best I'd describe it is it is Lost, but instead of a plane crash into the tropics it is royal navy ships getting iced in the arctic. There is terror, but it felt too inexplicable to be actually be tense to the viewer (though I'm sure that only makes it worse to be the person in the story).
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 28, 2018, 07:35:53 AM
It becomes more explicable as the show progresses. Things ramp up in the back half.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on October 29, 2018, 05:51:39 AM
Sleepwalkers (Mick Garris, 1992)

The opening scene here is a pretty ugly one and in a way it sells the movie short as it gives us a prevision of where will arrive at, at the end of the movie.

The story itself begins with a mother and her son who are new in town. They are refugees you could say, since they lead an existence that in a way reminds of some sort of vampire-like creatures. They can withstand the daylight but they need to feed. Their relationship isn't a very healthy one, to say the least, on more levels than this one. The son seems to have got the responsibility to bring home food to the table on his shoulders and he tries to do that by dating suitable girls at school, so in some ways the movie has motifs like those you find in an ordinary high school movie. Mind you, the story itself has some plotholes and the script a few stupid solutions. Like a romantic picnic, but set in a grave yard.... Stephen King, who has written the original story, at least got the opportunity to do a fun cameo as a caretaker here. The movie is pretty entertaining for the most of the time but some parts are unnecessarily sleazy.

One final objection I have is that the nasty opening scene isn't fully compatible with how the movie in fact ends.

25į

(http://imgur.com/dlbHWTG.jpg) - Scary

Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on October 29, 2018, 05:54:35 AM
The Others (2001)
★ ★ ★ - Very Good
Earlier this month I showed Mrs. 1SO The Innocents and she was as disappointed as I am (twice now). I've always thought of this as the better adult and children ghost story, but the wife had an oddly negative reaction to the twist, which she thought was too much of a twist. While it makes logical sense she didn't like how it's like (in her words) "serving you tea and then telling you it's actually a milkshake." She also thought Kidman was all bug-eyes while her voice alternates between whispers and shrieks.
I really like The Others and I think the twist is a clever one that holds up for severeal viewings.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 30, 2018, 10:44:28 PM
(https://imgur.com/87N2krg.jpg)
Psycho II (1983)

I can understand why it's taken so long for this film to get the proper respect. A sequel to Psycho is an unthinkable idea and will surely be compared negatively up and down from the lesser quality to anything that "just isn't Psycho." Even if it was filmed in Black & White and used the original score as inspiration, there are still moments where the film is falling in line with 80s slashers. However, the continuity from the first film is very strong - I love how they got Vera Miles to return, and how her character has changed over time - while it's a more modern film it's a much classier production than other horror films from the same era, and most of all, Anthony Perkins demonstrates he still has a lot in the tank with the return of Norman Bates. The performance here may not be as iconic, but there's a lot more layering as the Norman fights to keep his sanity.

While my month with Mrs. 1SO has been largely successful, she had thought I was playing it too safe with fun thrills like Happy Death Day and Rollercoaster. Even Halloween, which certainly has its moments didn't get under her skin as much as it excited her to finally understand what the legend was all about. With Psycho II, the month finally got dangerous, and she thinks had it been released in Black & White, it would make as fitting a companion to the first film as Incredibles 1 & 2.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Good
Mrs. 1SO: ★ ★ ★ Ĺ

(http://imgur.com/dlbHWTG.jpg) - Scary



(https://imgur.com/Lh2aqIk.jpg)
Island of Lost Souls (1932)

I really got this one wrong the first time (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=10545.msg631524#msg631524). While the film is dated, there's a dangerous quality to it unusual for films of this time. The elaborate makeup, twisted sets and a plot that's like an unholy abomination are unsettling and the film rarely takes a break for something less horrific. Meanwhile, Charles Laughton just lords over everything ignorant of the dark side of his scientific surgeries. I got it this time, one of the best horror films of the early 1930s.

The wife... not so much. She liked the cast and found the premise fascinating, but there was a spookiness missing and for all its disturbing ideas, the film itself never really got nasty or mean.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Good
Mrs. 1SO: ★ ★

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Some of the imagery and ideas are disturbing
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 31, 2018, 06:05:40 AM
I've wanted to watch both of those for a while now. It won't happen this Shocktober, but your positive reviews have ensured that it'll happen before next year.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 31, 2018, 07:22:34 PM
Probably going to keep my Shudder subscription going for at least another month or two, they have a big selection. Does anyone have recommendations?
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on October 31, 2018, 08:55:43 PM
I've had good luck with Society, The Stuff, Revenge, Terrified, Summer of 84, Dead Ringers, Spring, Hell House LLC, Angst, Borgman, Timecrimes, Triangle, Black Christmas, and Ghostwatch (maybe the best of these).
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 31, 2018, 09:49:28 PM
Probably going to keep my Shudder subscription going for at least another month or two, they have a big selection. Does anyone have recommendations?
Yes. Anything on this list (https://letterboxd.com/1so/list/top-horror/).


I've had good luck with Society, The Stuff, Revenge, Terrified, Summer of 84, Dead Ringers, Spring, Hell House LLC, Angst, Borgman, Timecrimes, Triangle, Black Christmas, and Ghostwatch (maybe the best of these).
The Stuff is modest but successful.
Never heard of Hell House LLC.
I thought you saw Angst. Very special one from the darkest corner of the genre.
Which Black Christmas? I just saw the remake and it was lousy.
Ghostwatch is one of the best.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on October 31, 2018, 10:20:12 PM
(https://imgur.com/OOgFg6q.jpg)
Creature From the Black Lagoon (1954)

I got interested in this with the many podcasts discussing it along with The Shape of Water. I now realize I have never seen this movie (though I've seen Revenge of the Creature, which played on television in 3D.) It's almost the stereotype of creature feature horror, where the monster's movements are not logical but more for the entertainment of the audience. (So many times he almost touches a person or waves his webbed hands towards the camera.) I like the breathing with the expanding/collapsing gills and doing that much skilled diving work while in a rubber suit and without an oxygen tank is really impressive. Which makes the non-moving eyes look even more fake. There's also a blurred morality to the film. At times, I think we're meant to feel sorry for the creature, but he's committing a lot of murder.

Mrs. 1SO thought it was a perfect start to the final day of Shocktober. "I'm a Disney girl, but when it comes to classic monsters, Universal is the king."
Rating: ★ ★ ★ - Good
Mrs. 1SO: ★ ★ ★ - Very Good

(http://i.imgur.com/qqjXchC.jpg) - Slightly Scary



The Conjuring (2013)

It's been a brave month for Mrs. 1SO. I've been able to show her Happy Death Day, Rosemary's Baby, What Ever Happened to Baby Jane, Halloween, Psycho II and the month came to a crescendo with this, which she found to be easily the scariest of the bunch. Fright-wise, it started with the old woman on top of the wardrobe, but the exorcism finale was absolutely terrifying (without crossing the line into going too far.) True story or not, the commitment to a feeling of realism and believability of Lorraine and Ed Warren's caring marriage made it much more scary for her than the funhouse spookiness of the other films this month.
Rating: ★ ★ ★ Ĺ
Mrs. 1SO: ★ ★ ★ - Good

(http://imgur.com/CHQMVBZ.jpg) - Really Scary
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: smirnoff on November 01, 2018, 12:37:30 AM
I applaud Mrs. 1SO for braving The Conjuring. You won't catch me watching it.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on November 01, 2018, 12:44:11 AM
The Exorcist

William Friedken is one of the directors that had a streak of three almost perfect movies: The French Connection, The Exorcist and Sorcerer.  All three are famous for genre-specific aspects-- a car chase, tense thriller scenes and grotesque horror.  And yet the time is given to character development in all three, which makes each of these films richer than the usual buddy copy, horror or thriller.  Most directors assume we want to get to the action.  Friedkin assumes that the action is better when you have a solid character foundation.  I think Friedkin is right.

The actual exorcist of the film perhaps takes twenty minutes, but afterwards, it feels like a much longer part of the movie, there are so many specifics.  Max von Sydow is only present in the introduction and in the climatic scenes, but he feels like he has lived in many more scenes, his presence is so heavy in this film.  The connection between the Iraq introduction and the scenes in Georgetown are only hinted at, never spelled out.  For a horror movie in which vomit and "f***" takes such a central place, it is remarkably subtle with a lot of subtext that is introduced and then never takes center stage again.  We are expected to put the pieces together.

This time, I watched it with my daughter who loves to see humor in her horror and she found a lot of humor.  At one point, when Regan bit the crotch of the psychologist, my daughter quipped, "That's the end of your reproduction."  I lost my breath laughing. 

Still enjoyable, still stunning.  The editing is so very good, almost genius level.  This is top tier horror and few films can compare.

4.5/5

Very scary, especially for anyone with children.  Yeah, I'm talking to you, Sandy.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Junior on November 01, 2018, 11:01:26 AM
Probably going to keep my Shudder subscription going for at least another month or two, they have a big selection. Does anyone have recommendations?
Yes. Anything on this list (https://letterboxd.com/1so/list/top-horror/).


I've had good luck with Society, The Stuff, Revenge, Terrified, Summer of 84, Dead Ringers, Spring, Hell House LLC, Angst, Borgman, Timecrimes, Triangle, Black Christmas, and Ghostwatch (maybe the best of these).
The Stuff is modest but successful.
Never heard of Hell House LLC.
I thought you saw Angst. Very special one from the darkest corner of the genre.
Which Black Christmas? I just saw the remake and it was lousy.
Ghostwatch is one of the best.

Hell House LLC is a super low budget movie about a group of friends opening a haunted house attraction that turns out to be actually haunted. The sequel is very dumb and bad, but the first one has some good scares.

Angst is the start of the section of the list that includes things I saw before Shudder. It was great to find it on there, I want to watch it again some time soon.

Definitely the original Black Christmas. The remake asks the question, "What would happen if every shot in a movie was a close-up/insert?" and answers it by being very bad and disorienting.

CINECAST! yeah Ghostwatch!
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: pixote on November 01, 2018, 12:55:24 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/cinepix/screenshots/BunnyLakeIsMissing.jpg)

Preminger is adept at using misdirection to maximize the impact of those kinds of turns, both minor and major. (He should have made a horror film).

Make a note to check out Bunny Lake is Missing next Shocktober. I was mixed (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=13496.msg818681#msg818681) but I think it has what you're looking for from Preminger. The entire premise is about taking the inevitable and making it suspenseful and surprising.

Bunny Lake Is Missing  (Otto Preminger, 1965)

Bunny Lake Is Missing is a preposterous story, ostentatiously told. Preminger reminds me, once again, of a con man trying to pass off forgeries as his own work ó not for money so much as for the acclaim and validation that he desperately seems to crave. I'm not sure when I became so prejudiced against him (or if my prejudice is at all justified), but I nonetheless resist his showmanship, which usually seems less in the service of the story than of his own self-aggrandizement. The long takes in Bunny Lake, superficially similar to those found in a Welles' film, seem like forced attempts to garner the same sort of praise. Similarly, the attempts at a certain sort of maturity (like the mention of "abortion") seem like calculated attempts to be controversial, imitative of what someone like Richard Brooks does with greater purpose. And Preminger really, really wants to be Hitchcock, even borrowing the "no entry after the movie starts" publicity gambit from Psycho and appearing in one of the trailers in similar fashion. (The trailer featuring The Zombies (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dRuCh-qHkM#no) is way more fascinating, however, and perhaps even more essential viewing than the film itself.)

Borrowing from the best isn't necessarily a bad thing, though. Hawks was great at it, for example, but he was a much better synthesizer of his borrowed ideas than Preminger, who is unable here to make Bunny Lake Is Missing a fully cohesive cinematic experience. That being said, there's still enough artistry in the film from moment to moment to make it worthwhile viewing. Saul Bass's opening credit sequence (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XwegEKlQHw#no) starts things off on an especially strong note. The first act that follows is a bit muddled, as both script and direction struggle to make the story's preposterous setup at all tenable. Until Laurence Olivier shows up (as the inspector on the case), the story is populated with characters who bare too little resemblance to actual human beings. I appreciated the grotesquery of it all, but the story could've used a stronger grounding in reality before branching off in that direction. The madness later on with the doll surgeon and the lab animals and the children's game are all much more successful. Atmosphere is a strong point of the film. It would make an interesting double feature with The Loved One, made the same year, or perhaps any number of subsequent films it perhaps inspired: Blowup, Rosemary's Baby, The Wicker Man.

Anyone watching 2001 for the first time should have to first watch Bunny Lake Is Missing as a prerequisite.

Grade: B-

pixote
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on November 01, 2018, 02:52:22 PM
There is great wisdom in that post. Iím going to watch the trailers after work and then respond.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on November 01, 2018, 10:35:05 PM
An American Werewolf in London (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894923#msg894923)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on November 02, 2018, 01:02:23 AM
Very tired, but I don't want to leave this for tomorrow.


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Preminger reminds me, once again, of a con man trying to pass off forgeries as his own work ó not for money so much as for the acclaim and validation that he desperately seems to crave. I'm not sure when I became so prejudiced against him (or if my prejudice is at all justified), but I nonetheless resist his showmanship, which usually seems less in the service of the story than of his own self-aggrandizement.

I've always tried to figure Preminger out, and I think you may have it. The closest I got was comparing him to Erich von Stroheim, but I dismissed it as lumping in Austrian filmmakers. I would use ostentatious and self-aggrandizement to describe von Stroheim, but when it works for him the films are doing something really special and unique. I can't say that about Preminger, who strikes me as someone who wants to seen as a John Huston or Sam Fuller, but has never had a drink while working and would never provoke a fight. The cigar he's chewing on stays unlit.

I was only able to find a trailer that heavily featured the Zombies music AND was narrated by Preminger who appears and makes the publicity gambit. That Zombies song is the worst thing about the film because of how it's incorporated, but as a piece of trailer tension, it's pretty good.

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Atmosphere is a strong point of the film. It would make an interesting double feature with The Loved One, made the same year, or perhaps any number of subsequent films it perhaps inspired: Blowup, Rosemary's Baby, The Wicker Man.
Good atmosphere is always something I heavily credited to the director, for pulling together the skilled craftsmen - Cinematographer, Editor, Composer - into a striking single vision.
The Loved One is now on my Watchlist.

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Anyone watching 2001 for the first time should have to first watch Bunny Lake Is Missing as a prerequisite.
Is this because of Keir Dullea's performance?
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: pixote on November 02, 2018, 03:08:07 PM
Thanks for the reply. I always think of DeMille more than von Stroheim, keeping it in the Sunset Blvd family. The weirdest thing about the presence of The Zombies is that they don't perform "She's Not There" in a film about a missing girl. I mean, wtf.

A caveat on The Loved One: I didn't get that film at all, but that was a long time ago. It's certainly not without interest, to say the least.

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Anyone watching 2001 for the first time should have to first watch Bunny Lake Is Missing as a prerequisite.
Is this because of Keir Dullea's performance?

Yes! I think his work here totally informs his presence in Kubrick's film. And I heard afterwards that Kubrick in fact cast him specifically because of Bunny Lake, foregoing even a rehearsal. Which makes complete sense. (In some ways, he plays HAL here, lol.)

pixote
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on November 05, 2018, 06:23:33 AM
Invisible Ghost (Joseph H. Lewis, 1941)

This movie has both a horror and a thriller tag at the IMDb, but it plays like a mystery for most of the time. Maybe the horror classification is there because of Bela Lugosi, who is the lead actor. He plays Charles Kessler who still celebrates his wedding anniversary, despite the fact that his wife is missing after an accident. We later find out that she is hiding at the gardener's place. Their daughter Virginia is in a relationship, but still lives with her father and it turns out that her fiancť earlier on has had a relation with the house maid. The maid is found dead in her bed one morning and later the gardener also shows up dead....

Stupid plot and subpar dialogue left everyone stranded on a desolated shore here.

15į

(http://imgur.com/wLsDs0A.jpg) - Safe for Sandy
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: Sandy on November 08, 2018, 09:49:20 PM
Invisible Ghost
15į

- Safe for Sandy

Why do I get all the lame ones! :D



These are my last two for this Shocktober.

An American Werewolf in London (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg894923#msg894923)

Pan's Labyrinth (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=14880.msg895101#msg895101)
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: oldkid on November 08, 2018, 11:36:00 PM
Just because it's safe for you, that doesn't mean that the film is FOR you.  I'm glad that you have moved beyond "safe" films this year to watch some wonderful-- well, really good-- horror classics.
Title: Re: Shocktober Group Marathon 2018
Post by: 1SO on November 09, 2018, 12:57:58 AM
All month I kept thinking we need to rename the label. Sandy's done very well venturing beyond the safe stuff and there's a condescending/mansplaining tone to it now I don't care for.

And I gave you a quartet of non-lame recommendations this year:
My Cousin Rachel
Chase a Crooked Shadow
The Smiling Ghost
The Ninth Guest