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Title: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: chesterfilms on March 30, 2008, 10:36:57 PM
What is your favorite?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: spooncivicR on March 30, 2008, 10:40:27 PM
Traffic all the way...
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: roujin on March 30, 2008, 10:48:38 PM
I'm picking Ocean's 11.

Only because that's the one I've seen the most.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: karlwinslow on March 30, 2008, 10:59:24 PM
oh crap, i voted for ocean's 12 but meant ocean's 11.

ocean's 12 sucks.   :P
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: roujin on March 30, 2008, 11:00:13 PM
You can remove your vote and correct that horrendous mistake.

Ocean's 12 is a horrendous movie.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 30, 2008, 11:07:35 PM
where's Yes: 9012 Live?  ;)

Went hip and voted Limey - Stamp is awesome in that one.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: karlwinslow on March 30, 2008, 11:13:13 PM
You can remove your vote and correct that horrendous mistake.

Ocean's 12 is a horrendous movie.

done.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: m_rturnage on March 30, 2008, 11:26:57 PM
Has no one but me seen Out of Sight?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: sdedalus on March 31, 2008, 01:21:39 AM
Out Of Sight!
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: CSSCHNEIDER on March 31, 2008, 03:21:47 AM
sex, lies and videotape

if you haven't seen it do so it's amazing.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Harlan on March 31, 2008, 09:18:51 AM
Traffic, definitely. Ocean's 11 was quite well-done. Solaris is actually quite good; more watchable (if less of a new achievement) than the original. I recommend it, especially with a large caffeinated beverage. I didn't much like sex, lies, etc.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: chesterfilms on March 31, 2008, 10:29:57 AM
Traffic
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Colleen on March 31, 2008, 10:38:39 AM
I went with Out of Sight but suspect that my vote may change when I've seen more of his films.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Basil on March 31, 2008, 01:15:52 PM
How could you make me choose! Ocean's Twelve is not horrendous.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Dracula on March 31, 2008, 01:33:05 PM
Traffic to me is the pretty clear winner, I think it was the best of that year and one of the best of the decade.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Kevin Shields on March 31, 2008, 07:58:04 PM
The Limey for me.  sex, lies, & videotape is 2nd and Traffic is third. 
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Colleen on March 31, 2008, 09:44:02 PM
Wow, Bubble?? 
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on April 01, 2008, 06:11:16 PM
Voted, reconsidered and voted again - Traffic....
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: roner on April 04, 2008, 11:18:15 PM
Gotta give Out of Sight some love...

Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: chesterfilms on April 04, 2008, 11:58:21 PM
Gotta give Out of Sight some love...



as you should
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: edgar00 on April 13, 2008, 03:22:19 PM
I'm voting for Traffic. It isn't often that a big Hollywood director deals with critical subject matter in such a real and mature way. Definately an achievement.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Dracula on April 13, 2008, 03:46:29 PM
I'm voting for Traffic. It isn't often that a big Hollywood director deals with critical subject matter in such a real and mature way. Definately an achievement.
yeah, I think that movie really paved the way for somthing of a 70s revival that's been going on this decade with movies like Munich and Michael Clayton.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: pixote on April 13, 2008, 03:48:11 PM
Was Traffic the one where the new drug czar's daughter became a crack whore?

pixote
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: edgar00 on April 13, 2008, 03:57:15 PM
Ouch! If by drug czar you mean the bureaucrat that leads the fight, then yes, that's the movie.
You burned that character!
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: St. Martin the Bald on April 14, 2008, 08:15:13 AM
That's a spoiler?

I think that turns up in a lot of reviews...but oh well...
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: edgar00 on April 15, 2008, 10:19:19 AM
That's not a spoiler. You're not really giving anything huge away by mentioning that. It's what basically sets up that entire plotline. I wouldn't consider that a surprise.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: jbissell on April 18, 2008, 01:53:38 PM
Out of Sight with The Limey a close second.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on April 18, 2008, 05:14:16 PM
I'm ashamed to admit I've only seen Ocean's Eleven :-[
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Coco on August 09, 2008, 01:00:32 PM
sex, lies, and videotape
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: skjerva on August 09, 2008, 11:47:58 PM
thanks for resuscitating the thread coco :)

i went with Underneath, which i have always known as The Underneath, Out of Sight is in a virtual tie for first

The Underneath
Out of Sight
sex, lies, & videotape
Schizopolis
Ocean's Eleven

The Limey
Eros
The Good German
Kafka
King of the Hill

Solaris
Traffic
Erin Brokovich

Ocean's Twelve
Ocean's Thirteen



I can't believe i've done so many of his films, and they are mostly pretty solid, except the final two.  each of the bunches signifies roughly the same impression of the films.  i feel like i should give EB another go, haven't done that one in ages and didn't much care for it at the time.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: pixote on February 19, 2009, 03:49:59 PM
Bumped!

pixote
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Thor on February 19, 2009, 03:53:52 PM
Ugh. wow. I didn't realize I thought so little of Soderbergh. But when you put his films in a list like this, the only one I really have fond memories of is Ocean's 11. Yikes.

Erm, well, maybe i'll dig Schizopolis
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: ¡Keith! on February 19, 2009, 03:58:12 PM
I seem to have voted for The Limey - I'll have to confirm this... bracket style.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Melvil on February 19, 2009, 04:06:13 PM
Ocean's 11 is all I've seen. I should watch more, I feel like I owe it to Basil.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: ¡Keith! on February 19, 2009, 04:08:45 PM
Can Che be added?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: pixote on February 19, 2009, 04:31:54 PM
WWCD?

pixote
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: edgar00 on February 19, 2009, 04:33:05 PM
A seriously high number of votes went to Ocean's Eleven. I'm not arguing that it was bad, but...
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: mañana on February 19, 2009, 04:33:22 PM
If somebody asked me, "do you like Soderbergh?", I'd say "yeah, he's great". But when faced with this menu I'm having a hard time getting enthusiastic about any of these films.

Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: ¡Keith! on February 19, 2009, 04:37:42 PM
WWCD?

pixote

He'd support the dinouprising.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: pixote on February 19, 2009, 04:43:12 PM
One Che or two?

pixote
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: Melvil on February 19, 2009, 04:50:40 PM
A seriously high number of votes went to Ocean's Eleven. I'm not arguing that it was bad, but...

Probably just most seen.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: ¡Keith! on February 19, 2009, 11:40:42 PM
One Che or two?

pixote

WWBD?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Junior on February 19, 2009, 11:45:19 PM
I've seen more Sodaberg now. Out of Sight instead of Ocean's Eleven now.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: oldkid on March 07, 2009, 09:04:34 PM
I just saw Schizopolis last year and it was so funny and unique.  Not his best film, but necessary watching.  I just wish someone else could have played the lead.  Yes, Steven, you are one of the best behind the camera, but in front... well, I understand.  The whole movie was pretty much an experiment, wasn't it?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Holly Harry on March 07, 2009, 09:09:24 PM
Out of what I've seen, The Limey, as great as Traffic is.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: sdedalus on March 08, 2009, 03:04:51 AM
Like:
Out Of Sight
Che

Is OK:

The Limey
Ocean's Eleven

Don't Like:

Traffic
Kafka
Erin Brockovich
Sex, Lies And Videotape

Turned off halfway through:

The Good German

Would have turned off less than halfway through if not for the bracket:

Schizopolis
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Ronan on March 08, 2009, 10:34:24 AM
Out Of Sight
The Limey
Che

Traffic

Oceans Eleven
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 'Noke on March 08, 2009, 10:41:22 AM
traffic.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11
Post by: mañana on January 11, 2010, 06:07:34 PM
If somebody asked me, "do you like Soderbergh?", I'd say "yeah, he's great". But when faced with this menu I'm having a hard time getting enthusiastic about any of these films.
Ocean's Eleven
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: chardy999 on January 11, 2010, 07:15:33 PM
Ocean's 11 just shaves Ocean's 13 and Sex, Lies. Main one I want to see is Out of Sight.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Hal Warren on January 12, 2010, 12:11:10 AM
Traffic, with The Informant, Ocean's Eleven and The Girlfriend Experience in the mix for #2.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: dheaton on January 26, 2010, 04:29:10 PM
I went with Out of Sight.  The Limey and Traffic are also great choices.  I also enjoyed Ocean's Eleven, and Bubble and Schizpolis were interesting.  Ocean's 12 and 13 were blah, and Erin Brockovich was okay but forgettable.

Question:  Which to see first of the ones I've missed:

King of the Hill, Kafka, The Good German, or Underneath?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: oldkid on January 26, 2010, 04:32:41 PM
I really loved Kafka, which I think was underrated.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 26, 2010, 05:08:25 PM
Seems I'm not alone in not liking Soderbergh all that much.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on January 26, 2010, 05:30:26 PM
Seems I'm not alone in not liking Soderbergh all that much.
At the start of the last decade he was a director to not miss.
At the end, he became one to avoid.  The Good German really tipped my opinion to the other side, and his approach to Che sealed it.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: roujin on January 26, 2010, 06:29:29 PM
He's more interesting than ever!  :D
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: pixote on January 28, 2010, 04:19:42 AM
Question:  Which to see first of the ones I've missed:

King of the Hill, Kafka, The Good German, or Underneath?

King of the Hill is my favorite Soderbergh film.

pixote
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: FarfetchFilm on April 12, 2010, 12:05:49 AM
Its very hard to choose, i've seen em all so i'll rank them for me.

1. TRAFFIC
2. OCEAN'S ELEVEN
3. OUT OF SIGHT
4. KAFTA
5. THE INFORMANT!
6. SEX LIES VIDEOTAPE
7. OCEAN'S TWELVE
8. THE GOOD GERMAN
9. ERIN BROCKOVICH
10. THE UNNDERNEATH
11. SOLARIS
12. KING OF THE HILL
13. THE LIMEY
14. GREY'S ANATOMY
15. CHE
16. BUBBLE
17. GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE
18. FULL FRONTAL (ebert gets this right)

also has best bit in Eros, the films he has produced are great too.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Basil on April 12, 2010, 12:09:25 AM
Hi, I'm Basil. Let's be friends.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: FarfetchFilm on April 12, 2010, 07:47:03 PM
Its very hard to choose, i've seen em all so i'll rank them for me.

1. TRAFFIC
2. OCEAN'S ELEVEN
3. OUT OF SIGHT
4. KAFTA
5. THE INFORMANT!
6. SEX LIES VIDEOTAPE
7. OCEAN'S TWELVE
8. THE GOOD GERMAN
9. ERIN BROCKOVICH
10. THE UNNDERNEATH
11. SOLARIS
12. KING OF THE HILL
13. THE LIMEY
14. GREY'S ANATOMY
15. CHE
16. BUBBLE
17. GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE
18. FULL FRONTAL (ebert gets this right)

also has best bit in Eros, the films he has produced are great too.

forgot Ocean's Thirteen, would be 16. droping full frontal to 19th.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on May 09, 2010, 04:58:08 PM
Erin B for those that are listed, this poll needs an update.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 01, 2010, 09:23:36 PM
Of the options, it's sex, lies, and videotape. The Girlfriend Experience is his best though. Out of Sight is not very good, though I own it (on VHS, roujin!)
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: MartinTeller on October 06, 2010, 01:33:17 AM
1. Solaris
2. And Everything Is Going Fine
3. The Limey
4. Bubble
5. Schizopolis
6. The Girlfriend Experience
7. Out of Sight
8. Ocean's Thirteen
9. Erin Brockovich
10. King of the Hill
11. Ocean's Eleven
12. The Informant!
13. sex lies and videotape
14. Gray's Anatomy
15. Traffic
16. Side Effects
17. The Good German
18. Contagion
19. Ocean's Twelve
20. Haywire


Need to catch up on the ones I've missed.  I prefer his version of Solaris to Tarkovsky's.  Don't tell anyone, I'll lose my film snob card.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: GothamCity151 on October 06, 2010, 06:40:57 AM
I am not a fan . . . sorry Mr. Van Hallgren
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Emiliana on October 06, 2010, 08:38:21 AM
1. Solaris
2. The Limey
3. Bubble
4. Schizopolis
5. The Girlfriend Experience
6. Erin Brockovich
7. Ocean's Eleven
8. sex lies and videotape
9. Gray's Anatomy
10. Waking Life
11. Out of Sight
12. Traffic
13. The Good German
14. Ocean's Twelve


Need to catch up on the ones I've missed.  I prefer his version of Solaris to Tarkovsky's.  Don't tell anyone, I'll lose my film snob card.

One of these things is not like the other! (Richard Linklater wants his film back ;).)

Martin, I haven't seen four of your top 5, but I managed 10 overall. I need to see sex, lies and videotape again, but at the moment I think my favourite is actually The Informant!.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: MartinTeller on October 06, 2010, 08:48:12 AM
One of these things is not like the other! (Richard Linklater wants his film back ;).)

Damn it, wasn't doing my Criticker filters properly again (didn't filter by director credits only, Soderbergh stars in Waking Life).  Thanks for pointing that out.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: AAAutin on March 15, 2011, 05:58:26 PM
27.) THE GOOD GERMAN
26.) OCEAN'S THIRTEEN
25.) BUBBLE
24.) SEX, LIES, & VIDEOTAPE
23.) THE UNDERNEATH
22.) CHE: GUERRILLA
21.) SOLARIS
20.) KAFKA
19.) HAYWIRE
18.) OCEAN'S TWELVE
17.) AND EVERYTHING IS GOING FINE
16.) CHE: THE ARGENTINE
15.) ERIN BROCKOVICH
14.) KING OF THE HILL
13.) THE GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE
12.) GRAY'S ANATOMY
11.) SCHIZOPOLIS
10.) THE INFORMANT!
09.) MAGIC MIKE
08.) THE LIMEY
07.) SIDE EFFECTS
06.) CONTAGION
05.) BEHIND THE CANDELABRA
04.) OUT OF SIGHT
03.) FULL FRONTAL
02.) OCEAN'S ELEVEN
01.) TRAFFIC
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Bondo on March 15, 2011, 06:21:33 PM
The Girlfriend Experience 5/5
Ocean's Eleven 4/5
Bubble 4/5
Traffic 4/5
Erin Brockovich 3/5
Ocean's Twelve 3/5
sex, lies and videotape 3/5
Ocean's Thirteen 3/5
Out of Sight 3/5
The Informant 3/5
The Good German 2/5
Solaris 1/5
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: StudentOFilm on March 15, 2011, 09:08:40 PM
1. Traffic
2. Ocean's Eleven
3. Sex, Lies, and Videotape
4. The Limey
5. Out of Sight
6. The Informant
7. Che
8. The Girlfriend Experience
9. And Everything is Going Fine
10. Gray's Anatomy
11. The Good German
12. Ocean's Thirteen
13. Solaris
14. Erin Brockovich
15. Ocean's Twelve
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: AAAutin on March 15, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
Wow, where did you see AND EVERYTHING IS GOING FINE? Is it good?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: StudentOFilm on March 15, 2011, 09:30:52 PM
It played in NYC in December. I liked it better than Gray's Anatomy, which I also liked.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: MartinTeller on March 15, 2011, 10:26:59 PM
I agree... GA is one of Gray's weaker monologues IMO, and the stuff Soderbergh added was merely a distraction.  AEIGF is fantastic though.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: MartinTeller on March 17, 2011, 04:29:35 PM
BTW, since chesterfilms doesn't seem to be very active on the forums these days, can a moderator please add the following options to the poll?

Che
The Girlfriend Experience
The Informant!
And Everything Is Going Fine



thanks
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: MartinTeller on September 22, 2011, 09:54:56 AM
BTW, since chesterfilms doesn't seem to be very active on the forums these days, can a moderator please add the following options to the poll?

Che
The Girlfriend Experience
The Informant!
And Everything Is Going Fine



thanks

and Contagion
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: GothamCity151 on September 24, 2011, 11:19:03 AM
I am not a fan . . . sorry Mr. Van Hallgren

Now I am. Well, of Contagion.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Antares on September 24, 2011, 06:28:30 PM
The Limey

Erin Brockovich
Traffic
Contagion


Ocean's Eleven

Ocean's Twelve
Ocean's Thirteen
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: mousterpiece on December 05, 2011, 01:54:13 PM
1. Out of Sight
2. The Limey
3. Traffic
4. Ocean's Eleven
5. Ocean's Twelve
6. Ocean's Thirteen
7. Solaris

Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: roujin on December 26, 2011, 03:16:04 PM
Contagion Steven Soderbergh, 2011

Guess this is one of those 70's disaster thrillers or whatever, but done thru Sodaberg's usual kinda dispassionate and clinical style. Bunch of movie stars stand around say a bunch of stuff and then everyone starts dying. The film doesn't really have a human center; it's interested in more of the spread of the disease itself and the reactions to it than any deep emotional core (no matter how it tries to get you to care about Damon's everydude, it doesn't stick). Not that this hurts the movie all that much. The weird leaps in the narrative later on in the film do hurt it (the progress of the scientists), but that's neither here or there. The Jude Law character is just blergh, though. I'll gladly replace all the humans and their stories with a bunch of montages of hands touching surfaces and stuff like that. Go, Cliff Martinez, Go!
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 26, 2011, 04:12:45 PM
Final scene was pretty dank, I thought.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Totoro on March 10, 2012, 04:22:23 AM
Either someone update this poll or someone make a new one. Come on now.

Let me start out by saying that I need to see more. Okay.


Ocean's Eleven (B+)*
The Girlfriend Experience (B+)
Che (B)
The Informant! (B-)
Ocean's Thirteen (B-)
Haywire (C+)
The Good German (C)
Erin Brockovich (D+)**
Ocean's Twelve (D-)


And that's it! A rare major blind spot of a major contemporary American film director for me.

*It is also my favorite George Clooney performance.
**I should revisit this though. It's been a long time.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on June 26, 2012, 01:16:02 PM
Out of Sight.

The period from 1998–2001 is solid gold. Everything else I've seen from him, not so much.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Timbzy on June 27, 2012, 02:50:19 AM
Sex, Lies, and Videotape is easily the best, Out of Sight and The Limey are also good, Traffic was okay... the rest not so much.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 27, 2012, 09:50:38 AM
The Informant!
Haywire
Che
Out of Sight
Traffic
Bubble
Contagion
The Girlfriend Experience
Ocean's Eleven
Schizopolis
The Limey
Full Frontal
Ocean's Thirteen
The Good German
Solaris
Underneath
Erin Brockovich
Ocean's Twelve


He's kinda at the top of his game right now, huh?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on June 27, 2012, 10:12:58 AM
Couldn't disagree more. Like the poll and spoko and verbALs indicate, the top of his game was 1998-2001.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 27, 2012, 10:21:12 AM
his vision is so incredibly sharp at this point, before he was still finding himself, there was no consitency - christ, see the year 2000. He's now had 4 straight years (and Sodie years are like twice as dense as most peoples) without a miss.

caveat - not seen: And Everything Is Going Fine & The Last Time I Saw Michael Gregg.

also, the poll options need some serious updating!
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: roujin on June 27, 2012, 11:06:11 AM
2008-2012 = best
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on June 27, 2012, 11:55:26 AM
As the latest Filmspotting SVU pointed out, and to agree with Keith's comment Haywire is an extremely efficient action movie. For Soderbergh, it's as much of a departure, as the more satiric Informant! and the "disaster" movie Contagion. I think they all share a consistent vision, but they all might get passed over somewhat, as I say, for being efficient film-making. Haywire, of these, is a stand-out, and I feel I've dismissed it a little, in the same way a lot of people did; even though I loved it at the time; rewatch soon I hope.

I didn't think Haywire was efficient so much as it was boring. He seems to have no idea how to pace an action movie, much less an action sequence. And the characters & dialogue were thoroughly bland, so there was nothing much to save it. It wasn't a terrible movie, but it was barely good. Utterly forgettable, had it not been one of his.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Timbzy on June 27, 2012, 04:32:06 PM
I think you're all arguing about the wrong thing. His latest work has been very spotty and average. His 98-01 work was probably his most commercially successful, but since when do the masses know what is good? His first feature film was the clearly the winner here. Everything since pales pails in comparison.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on June 27, 2012, 05:09:39 PM
I think you're all arguing about the wrong thing. His latest work has been very spotty and average. His 98-01 work was probably his most commercially successful, but since when do the masses know what is good? His first feature film was the clearly the winner here. Everything since pales pails in comparison.

You're the only one even talking about the commercial success, so I'm not sure how you can accuse anyone else of arguing about that. I'm not aware that The Limey or even Out of Sight were all that successful, and artistically they are leagues above the pile of pretentious crap that is Sex Lies and Videotape. Personally I don't much care how commercially successful it is. Like you, I don't assume it's the best just because it makes the most money. Unlike you, I don't assume it's the worst based on the same evidence.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on June 27, 2012, 05:15:07 PM
His 98-01 work was probably his most commercially successful, but since when do the masses know what is good?

Wow is that a snobby statement. Where do you stand that allows you to speak of "the masses" rather than the exceptionally high quality of the work and those of us who recognize and appreciate it?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Bondo on June 27, 2012, 05:22:42 PM
I'm boycotting this poll until Soderbergh's best film is added as an option.

Also, I was confused when Matt Singer talked about Haywire being able to have long takes because of Gina Carano's skill as my main complaint about the film is how much Soderbergh chops up the action scenes.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 27, 2012, 06:30:57 PM
I'm boycotting this poll until Soderbergh's best film is added as an option.

Also, I was confused when Matt Singer talked about Haywire being able to have long takes because of Gina Carano's skill as my main complaint about the film is how much Soderbergh chops up the action scenes.

you are the first person I've ever heard make that complaint Bondo. One of the reasons I love it is because of how chop-free it is. (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=10855.0)
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on June 27, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
I'm boycotting this poll until Soderbergh's best film is added as an option.

Also, I was confused when Matt Singer talked about Haywire being able to have long takes because of Gina Carano's skill as my main complaint about the film is how much Soderbergh chops up the action scenes.

you are the first person I've ever heard make that complaint Bondo. One of the reasons I love it is because of how chop-free it is. (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=10855.0)

That's also the first time I've heard that complaint. One of the reasons I dislike it is because of how chop-free it is. The cuts aren't just there to allow actors to redo the moves a dozen times. They're also there to heighten the energy. If I want to watch a kickboxing competition, I'll watch a CINECAST!ing kickboxing competition.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Bondo on June 27, 2012, 09:28:07 PM
When you say "a combination of ranges" you are talking about cutting between different shots, no? Maybe it's done in a single take, but he's cutting like mad between the different cameras.

From my review:
Quote
The high point of the film are a couple of the fight sequences where Carano gets to show off her skills. It doesn’t have the sheer craft of a Jackie Chan but is impressive all the same. If nothing else, the thing that breaks the illusion are that the men she is fighting are putting up too good a fight against her to be believed. The direction here actually holds the scenes back as Soderbergh uses insanely frequent, quick cuts to all manner of odd camera angles in a way that breaks up the flow of the scene. While I’m sure the synchronization of all these cuts was impressive, breaking the fights into a bunch of individual moves makes it much less dynamic. Compare this to the subway fight in Hanna, done in one long take, and it just doesn’t hold up as a piece of filmmaking.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 28, 2012, 12:11:19 AM
sure, there is editing but it's in a very measured fashion which allows for the highlighting of Carano's moves.

look at this, you will not find a more stayed hand in the editing bay for a studio fight scene in the last 5 years.

compare that to this:

http://youtu.be/uLt7lXDCHQ0?t=1m12s

and it's night and day. The I saw maybe two dutch angles without motivation, the majority of the edits are typical shot-resverse shot. That fight is filmed like its a pleasant conversation!
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: shuabert on June 28, 2012, 12:42:24 AM
My Soderbergh knowledge is admittedly lacking. Most of his films I have seen I've only seen once, and there are several I haven't seen at all.



Solaris (4)
Contagion (4)
Erin Brockovich (4)
Haywire (3)
Ocean's Thirteen (2.5)


Haven't Seen:
Sex, Lies, and Videotape
 Kafka
 King of the Hill
 Underneath
 Gray's Anatomy
 Schizopolis
 Out of Sight
 The Limey
 Traffic
 Ocean's Eleven
 Full Frontal
 Ocean's Twelve
 Bubble
 The Good German
Che: Part I
Che: Part II
The Girlfriend Experience
The Informant!
And Everything Is Going Fine
The Last Time I Saw Michael Gregg
Magic Mike
The Bitter Pill
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Timbzy on June 28, 2012, 03:07:14 AM
His 98-01 work was probably his most commercially successful, but since when do the masses know what is good?

Wow is that a snobby statement. Where do you stand that allows you to speak of "the masses" rather than the exceptionally high quality of the work and those of us who recognize and appreciate it?

By masses, I meant the regular film goers that spent millions of dollars on those films, not the people who chose films from that time on this poll.

I stand as someone who wasn't a huge fan of those films? I'm not sure what you're trying to get at, other than perhaps trying to knock me off my high horse, which won't work.

I think you're all arguing about the wrong thing. His latest work has been very spotty and average. His 98-01 work was probably his most commercially successful, but since when do the masses know what is good? His first feature film was the clearly the winner here. Everything since pales pails in comparison.

You're the only one even talking about the commercial success, so I'm not sure how you can accuse anyone else of arguing about that. I'm not aware that The Limey or even Out of Sight were all that successful, and artistically they are leagues above the pile of pretentious crap that is Sex Lies and Videotape. Personally I don't much care how commercially successful it is. Like you, I don't assume it's the best just because it makes the most money. Unlike you, I don't assume it's the worst based on the same evidence.

I wasn't accusing anyone else of arguing about commercial success.

I don't assume it is the worst based on the large sums of money made. I never said that. I saw the films from that period and it is my personal opinion that the masses had it wrong. That isn't to say that the masses don't sometimes get it right.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on June 28, 2012, 06:04:41 AM
That fight is filmed like its a pleasant conversation!

Yeah, it was. Which is every bit as silly as filming a pleasant conversation like it's a fistfight.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Bondo on June 28, 2012, 06:37:08 AM
Hmm, certainly Haywire isn't as hyper as the Bourne films (a franchise I'm far less fond of than most), but it feels more a difference in degree than philosophy. This is what I'd call a different philosophy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIaUqIucp5E (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIaUqIucp5E)
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 28, 2012, 08:53:46 AM
See to me that seems totally contrived and pulls me out of the film - the choreography of the fight and the camera are so showy, they call attention to themselves. And its not nearly as fluid as a scene like that should be, you can see the stunt men pause to get their timing right for the next assault. I actually hate Wright's philosophy of egotistical DIRECTION as opposed to Soderbergh's zen like attempts at clinical observation, though it certainly worked better in the milieu of a sci-fi actioner than it did in the completely mis-directed Atonement.

I think the reason Soderbergh’s films have been so great recently is that he’s found the proper material for his style. Carano’s a fighter… he simply films her fighting. There’s an organic quality to the fights – fighting, is not ballet as Wright would have you believe with his scene, nor is it as frenetic as Greengrass seems to think. It’s a sloppy, messy affair and transpires much like a conversation (at least terms of visually communication). Soderbergh is looking to capture the actuality of that in his film. Not to discount other styles - wire-fu is awesome to behold, but its a hightened, unrealistic style.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Timbzy on June 28, 2012, 09:11:01 AM
Yeah the Hanna scene does take you out of the film. The fight scene is so jarring and overly coordinated, and some hits look so obviously non-painful, that I feel the scene would have benefited taking a few cues from the Bourne scene linked earlier in the thread (although only a couple).
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Bondo on June 28, 2012, 10:03:28 AM
the completely mis-directed Atonement.

You mean Atonement, one of the 100 best films of all-time?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 28, 2012, 10:07:54 AM
the completely mis-directed Atonement.

You mean Atonement, one of the 100 best films of all-time?

pfft, turd on a stick ;)
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: FLYmeatwad on June 28, 2012, 10:17:27 AM
I think the reason Soderbergh’s films have been so great recently is that he’s found the proper material for his style. Carano’s a fighter… he simply films her fighting. There’s an organic quality to the fights – fighting, is not ballet as Wright would have you believe with his scene, nor is it as frenetic as Greengrass seems to think. It’s a sloppy, messy affair and transpires much like a conversation (at least terms of visually communication). Soderbergh is looking to capture the actuality of that in his film.

Alright, I'll watch Haywire.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on June 28, 2012, 10:32:21 AM
Keith, you seem to be arguing that Haywire is a better film because it's realistic. I just have to say: really? Other than the fight scenes (assuming we grant those), it's not realistic at all. The plot is paper thin; all these super-clever spy types wear their motivations on their sleeves; the twists are visible from the next state over.

So why bother going for realism in the one part of the movie that would most benefit from dispensing with it?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 28, 2012, 10:32:09 PM
No I love the way he treats the fight scenes but the reality argument was limited to that realm. It is a film staring a non-actress who's normal job is a fighter about a trained military fighter though - so that is a very important aspect of the film.

I think he takes the totally over the top spy-genre aspects and mocks them on one hand (story, actors, deer) and pushes the boundaries on the other (female protagonist, non-actor, fight scenes). Its just a wonderful piece of filmmaking.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: shuabert on June 28, 2012, 11:36:53 PM
I prefer Wright's showy attention-grabbing style in Hannah to Soderbergh's seeming complete lack of interest in Haywire. At least that movie is a lot of fun. How is it that SS can make a movie about microbiology exciting, yet he can't direct an actual action movie without the action being kind of a bore.

Hannah > Haywire
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 29, 2012, 12:07:11 AM
tonight, we are young.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Totoro on June 29, 2012, 12:10:40 AM
Hey, guys? Either edit the poll or make a new one. There are far too many great films left off this poll.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 29, 2012, 12:11:33 AM
Mods or chester can do these things.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on June 29, 2012, 02:20:25 PM
Haywire
* *

While better than The Informer, Soderbergh once again gets in his own way, trying too hard to be different and only proving why some tested formulas (like music during the action) enriches the experience. The deer is an original touch, but what effect does it create in the viewer? It's a surprise, but also a distraction. A real 'WTF?' moment. Soderbergh just doesn't seem all that excited to make an action movie, and in the end he's even tired of watching Gina Carano fight. The bathroom fight is all close-ups and the beach climax is silhouetted to death. I'm guessing the last choice was to hide how outclassed Ewen McGregor is. A good story would've built him up as a potential threat, but every time he gets a hit in on Carano I'm thinking "if she's so good, why does she leave herself open so much?"

Coming the same year as The Raid. I had different problems with that, but at least I believed in the brutal skill of the fighters. I would more easily believe if you told me Gina Carano was a dancer and not an MMA fighter. She hits her marks, but her punches rarely land with force. (A couple of shots miss by a good distance.) Then there's the acting, where Carano is asked to do very little besides glower. She has no chemistry with the camera. No star quality. (Compare her to Zoe Bell.) Soderbergh tries to do something fresh with the genre, but with her he's just trying to get to the ending. How can you defend a film where Soderbergh has her stare at the camera and growl out "you better run"?

The best things about Haywire are the score and Soderbergh's cinematography. He's really the master of yellow-tinted images. (His blue is also excellent.) I kind of wish he'd stop directing for a few years and work as a cinematographer full-time.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 29, 2012, 03:57:55 PM
tested formulas
story
star quality

Quote from: 1SO
we don't like movies for the same reason

 ;D
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on June 29, 2012, 04:13:31 PM
first of all it's "proving why some tested formulas (like music during the action) enriches the experience" meaning Soderbergh's approach manages to be even worse than the norm. Different does not automatically equal good and what he does here is worse than if he'd done nothing at all.

As for story and star quality, I'll take them over the alternative almost every time.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on June 29, 2012, 04:18:25 PM
Aaaaaaaaamen.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 29, 2012, 04:19:13 PM
Oh I know, I've read/heard enough of your thoughts on what yr looking for in a film. I'm just not interested in plotting, character, story or star quality all that much.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on June 29, 2012, 04:54:02 PM
Interesting that your Favorite movie is also The Godfather, which means we like that film for different reasons, yet we agree it's the best.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: shuabert on June 30, 2012, 10:13:18 AM
Soderbergh just doesn't seem all that excited to make an action movie, and in the end he's even tired of watching Gina Carano fight.

While I liked the film more than you, this was my biggest problem with it.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 30, 2012, 12:32:55 PM
Interesting that your Favorite movie is also The Godfather, which means we like that film for different reasons, yet we agree it's the best.

Hmm, good point - its hard to argue with the things you fell in love with at 11 years old though. I wonder what my reaction would be if I saw it for the first time only now.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: ¡Keith! on June 30, 2012, 12:37:58 PM
Soderbergh just doesn't seem all that excited to make an action movie, and in the end he's even tired of watching Gina Carano fight.

While I liked the film more than you, this was my biggest problem with it.

See I don't see it that way - he's playing up the inherent boredom of the genre fight, travel, fight, travel... thats why the film ends on the ellipsis that it does, this cycle won't change, and it IS boring - Matt Damon did the same thing for three movies! Soderbergh is commenting on the tedious nature of this exercise.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: spoko on July 01, 2012, 10:15:34 PM
Soderbergh just doesn't seem all that excited to make an action movie, and in the end he's even tired of watching Gina Carano fight.

While I liked the film more than you, this was my biggest problem with it.

See I don't see it that way - he's playing up the inherent boredom of the genre fight, travel, fight, travel... thats why the film ends on the ellipsis that it does, this cycle won't change, and it IS boring - Matt Damon did the same thing for three movies! Soderbergh is commenting on the tedious nature of this exercise.

Of all possible explanations, that is the lamest.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: worm@work on July 05, 2012, 08:52:18 PM
Magic Mike was great and totally fun. Gorgeous to look at especially during the beach scenes and the two big party scenes. Also really loved the scene at the bank and the way Tatum switches between half a dozen different ways to persuade the banker to grant him his loan. Tatum's totally adorable throughout. And I think I smiled happily through every single dance number at the club. And the editing.. mmmm.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: shuabert on July 05, 2012, 09:07:06 PM
Soderbergh just doesn't seem all that excited to make an action movie, and in the end he's even tired of watching Gina Carano fight.

While I liked the film more than you, this was my biggest problem with it.

See I don't see it that way - he's playing up the inherent boredom of the genre fight, travel, fight, travel... thats why the film ends on the ellipsis that it does, this cycle won't change, and it IS boring - Matt Damon did the same thing for three movies! Soderbergh is commenting on the tedious nature of this exercise.

Of all possible explanations, that is the lamest.

Yeah, Matt Damon did the same thing for three movies that were all better than Haywire.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: worm@work on July 12, 2012, 06:16:01 PM
Really nice piece on Soderbergh's more recent films. (http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/steven-soderbergh-directs-magic-mike-with-channing-tatum/Content?oid=6924148)
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: pixote on July 12, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
I just added seven films to the poll above. That seems like a lot, no?

It could have been eight, but I couldn't convince myself that The Last Time I Saw Michael Gregg was a real film.

pixote
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on July 12, 2012, 07:12:29 PM
It could have been eight, but I couldn't convince myself that The Last Time I Saw Michael Gregg was a real film.

I see why.

(http://i.imgur.com/gtGAN.png)
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: pixote on July 19, 2012, 12:56:47 AM
Magic Mike  (Steven Soderbergh, 2012)
Foreigner's "Feels Like the First Time" plays over the end credits of Magic Mike. I like to think that this is Soderbergh's winking nod to the audience and the derivativeness and banality of his film's script (which, to be fair, isn't totally awful, just very, very meh). In fact, the first thing I did upon getting home from the movie was to go to IMDb to check the soundtrack listing for 1988's Cocktail, because I could totally picture the same song playing over the end credits of that film. (Okay, not quite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-gj9LKwx9Y#t=6m00s).) There's one particular shot of Alex Pettyfer sitting on a bench at the beach where he even looks a little like young Tom Cruise (though he struggles with the delivery of his lines more in that scene that I imagine Tommy would have). So, that's my thesis: that Soderbergh pretty much made a more visually controlled version of Cocktail. I was okay with it through about the halfway point, but then I just got more and more bored and things got less and less fresh. It compares unfavorably to Cassavetes The Killing of a Chinese Bookie, too, but that's another story.
Grade: C

pixote
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: oldkid on August 02, 2012, 11:28:27 AM
I know the focus is on his recent films, but I really wished I could have voted for Kafka.  It gets no love and it was a really fun, well-made film.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: roujin on October 01, 2012, 09:43:22 PM
(http://i1258.photobucket.com/albums/ii537/roujinz/film%20500/magicmike_500x211.jpg)
Magic Mike Steven Sodaberg, 2012

bb: there's a great shot
bb: where the foreground of the shot is just taken up by a dick inside of a penis pump
bb: and some dude in the background can't help but stare at it
matt: haha
bb: that sodaberg magic

bb: lol at all the women who went to this thinking it was some party flick
bb: sodaberg in GIRLFRIEND EXPERIENCE mode
bb: bodies as commodities, people out to make deals, trying to own something in this economy
bb: but with some stripping numbers to keep it light
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Bondo on February 15, 2013, 07:16:41 PM
The Girlfriend Experience
Contagion
Traffic
Ocean's Eleven
Magic Mike
Bubble
Erin Brockovich
sex, lies and videotape
Out of Sight
Side Effects
Haywire
Ocean's Twelve
The Informant!
Ocean's Thirteen
Solaris
The Good German
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Totoro on June 26, 2013, 08:43:51 PM
The Girlfriend Experience (A-)
Ocean's Eleven (B+)
Contagion (B+)
Behind the Candelabra (B)
Side Effects (B)
Che (B)
The Informant! (B)
Ocean's Thirteen (B-)
Gray's Anatomy (C+)
And Everything is Going Fine (C+)
Sex, Lies, & Videotape (C+)
Haywire (C+)
Magic Mike (C)
Ocean's Twelve (D)

I need to revisit Erin Brockovich, Out of Sight, & The Good German before I can rank them again. Traffic remains one of my biggest blind spots.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: JakeIsntFake on September 07, 2013, 03:54:17 PM
Out of Sight
Ocean's Eleven
Side Effects
Solaris
Ocean's Twelve
Haywire

Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on September 07, 2013, 10:12:05 PM
Jake I am curious, what did not work for you with Haywire?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: JakeIsntFake on September 08, 2013, 04:45:08 PM
Well, to be honest, I saw it a while ago; the summer of 2011 I believe. I hated Gina Carano in the role. I couldn't take one second of any scene she was in, and she's in every scene. On top of that, the whole thing felt a little messy.

If I revisited it, and was able to get over Carano, it would probably be bumped up a bit. Why do you ask? Did you have a stronger reaction to the film?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on September 08, 2013, 07:56:31 PM
Just curious, I did not hate or love the film. People having strong reactions can make me wonder at the source of the strong reaction.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: verbALs on October 27, 2013, 05:19:16 AM
1. Out Of Sight
2. Traffic
3. Erin Brockovich
4. Side Effects
5. Ocean's Eleven
6. The Limey
7. Haywire
8. Sex, Lies and Videotape
9. Contagion
10. The Informant!
11. Magic Mike
12. Che: Parts 1 & 2
13. The Good German
14. Ocean's Twelve
15. Ocean's Thirteen
Title: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: 1SO on January 02, 2014, 12:58:52 AM
1. Erin Brockovich
2. Ocean's 11
3. Sex, Lies, and Videotape
4. Out of Sight
5. Behind the Candelabra
6. Schizopolis
7. Traffic
8. Contagion
9. High Flying Bird
10. Solaris
11. Magic Mike
12. Bubble
13. King of the Hill
14. Side Effects
15. Ocean's 13
16. Unsane
17. Full Frontal
18. And Everything is Going Fine
19. Kafka
20. The Limey
21. Gray's Anatomy
22. Eros - "Equilibrium"
23. Logan Lucky
24. Haywire
25. The Underneath
26. The Informant
27. Ocean's 12
28. The Girlfriend Experience
29. Che
30. The Good German
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on March 04, 2014, 10:36:04 PM
Steven Soderbergh's Psychos (http://extension765.com/sdr/15-psychos).

In 2000, video artist Michael Olenick created "Psycho 2000," a live projection superimposing both versions of the film all the way through. Soderbergh takes a more active hand, sometimes intercutting, sometimes layering.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: goodguy on March 16, 2014, 05:23:16 PM
Sex, Lies, and Videotape
Erin Brockovich
Kafka
Ocean's Twelve
Side Effects
Magic Mike
Haywire
Contagion
The Girlfriend Experience
Ocean's Eleven
Ocean's Thirteen
Behind the Candelabra
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: jascook on July 17, 2014, 12:06:21 AM
King of the Hill: 8/10
Erin Brockovich: 7/10
Side Effects: 7/10
Contagion: 6/10
The Girlfriend Experience: 5/10
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: roujin on December 30, 2014, 02:11:18 PM
1. Ocean's Eleven (2001)
2. The Girlfriend Experience (2009)
3. Contagion (2011)
4. Out of Sight (1998)
5. Che (2008)
6. Magic Mike (2012)

Sex, Lies, and Videotape (1989)
Erin Brockovich (2000)
Traffic (2000)
Ocean's Twelve (2004)
The Good German (2006)
Haywire (2011)
Side Effects (2013)

I'll always see one of his movies.
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: oldkid on January 04, 2015, 07:29:39 PM
I've changed my order around, with a new top film.

Contagion 4.5/5
Scitzopolis 4.5/5
Sex, Lies and Videotape 4.5/5
Kafka 4/5
Side Effects 3.5/5
Haywire 3.5/5
Out of Sight 3.5/5
The Informant! 3.5/5
The Girlfriend Experience 3/5
Traffic 3/5
Oceans Eleven 3/5
The Good German 3/5
Oceans Twelve 2.5/5
Bubble 2/5
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: 1SO on January 04, 2015, 09:33:36 PM
Wait, have you not seen Erin Brockovich?
Title: Re: Directors Best Poll #11 - Steven Soderbergh
Post by: oldkid on January 04, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: Corndog on March 30, 2016, 10:22:13 AM
1. Traffic (4)
2. Erin Brockovich (3.5)
3. Ocean's Eleven (3.5)
4. Contagion (3)
5. The Girlfriend Experience (3)
6. Side Effects (3)
7. Out of Sight (3)
8. Ocean's Thirteen (3)
9. Magic Mike (3)
10. Ocean's Twelve (3)
11. Haywire (2.5)
12. The Informant! (2.5)
13. The Good German (2.5)
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 07, 2017, 07:25:59 AM
Ocean's Eleven
Contagion
Side Effects
Ocean's Twelve
Ocean's Thirteen
Out of Sight
The Informant
Behind the Candelabra
Erin Brockovich
Magic Mike
Haywire
Sex, Lies and Videotape
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: philip918 on March 07, 2017, 09:18:22 PM
Ocean's 11
Haywire
Out of Sight
Traffic
Side Effects
Erin Brockovich
Contagion
Che: Part One
Che: Part Two
The Limey
Bubble
The Girlfriend Experience
Logan Lucky
Ocean's 13
Ocean's 12


I've technically seen Eros - "Equilibrium" but have no recollection of it.

I'd probably put The Knick above all his films.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: smirnoff on March 12, 2017, 12:31:37 AM
Side Effects is on the top half of pretty much everybody's list. I hadn't really given a thought to seeing it before now. I didn't even know when it came out, or what it is.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 12, 2017, 05:09:43 AM
You won't know what it really is until the end of the movie. That's about all you should know before watching it.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: smirnoff on March 13, 2017, 12:30:04 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/rnYvKXq.gif)
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: Junior on March 13, 2017, 12:30:40 AM
I think you might get into that one, 'noff. It's quite good.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: Will on August 26, 2017, 02:18:55 AM
Ocean's Eleven 9/10
The Girlfriend Experience 9/10
Contagion 9/10
Che 8/10
The Limey 8/10
sex, lies, and videotape 8/10
The Informant! 8/10
And Everything is Going Fine 7/10
Erin Brockovich 7/10
Haywire 7/10
Side Effects 7/10
Magic Mike 7/10
Ocean's Thirteen 7/10
Ocean's Twelve 6/10

Even though I haven't seen a masterpiece yet, he's probably the most fascinating American director that emerged during the rise of the Independent Movie Boom.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: Will on September 09, 2017, 02:00:53 AM
Ocean's Eleven 9/10
Out of Sight 9/10
The Girlfriend Experience 9/10
Contagion 8/10
Che 8/10
Logan Lucky 8/10
The Limey 8/10
sex, lies, and videotape 8/10
The Informant! 8/10
And Everything is Going Fine 7/10
Erin Brockovich 7/10
Haywire 7/10
Side Effects 7/10
Traffic 7/10
Magic Mike 7/10
Ocean's Thirteen 7/10
Ocean's Twelve 6/10

Even though I haven't seen a masterpiece yet, he's probably the most fascinating American director that emerged during the rise of the Independent Movie Boom.

Surprised by how much I didn't care for TRAFFIC at all. It's one third a good movie, one third an average movie, and one third a downright boring/bad movie.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: 1SO on September 16, 2017, 11:32:40 PM
Logan Lucky
* *

There's a common complaint with Alexander Payne that he doesn't love his characters as much as he likes to hold them up for ridicule. I never subscribed to that with Payne and I never considered it with Soderbergh. From the young adult hangups of Sex, Lies and Videotape to the unusual details of the lives caught Behind the Candelabra to the working class struggles of Bubble, I never caught Soderbergh taking a superior position until Logan Lucky. Leaving the actors too much to their own instincts, there are some good performances and then there are the Bang Brothers, whose white trash stupidity is insulting. Competing with them is Seth MacFarlane, who couldn't be more of a blank presence if he'd written the part himself. The heist is reheated Ocean's with some amusing moments, but nothing that made me laugh. I liked the David Holmes score, but my overriding reaction was boredom.


Gray's Anatomy (1996)
And Everything is Going Fine (2010)
* * 1/2
I never knew what to make of Spalding Gray, a gifted storyteller who was something between a public speaker and a sit down version of a stand up comedian. Not a combination of the two, but something all its own, sitting directly in the middle. I don't know if there has ever been another like him (Garrison Keillor?), and it's a shame that Gray existed before Podcasting. Particularly after the clip show Soderbergh made with Everything, I have a tremendous appreciation for what made Gray so unique, but I remain detached from what he does, unlike the characters created by Eric Bogosian. Gray may have been a turn of the century Mark Twain, but it all sounds like pieces of one massive story with no real beginning or ending. A storyteller you can enter at any point and be carried along, walk away at any time with nothing profound that stays with you.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: pixote on September 17, 2017, 12:45:28 AM
The start of your Logan Lucky review reminded me how much I hated The Limey. Any comparison there?

pixote
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: 1SO on September 17, 2017, 01:23:23 AM
I can't think of any. The Limey was about taking a scene and putting it in 3 different locations, cutting between them. That was Soderbergh's interest more than character.
Title: Re: Soderbergh, Steven
Post by: 1SO on June 23, 2018, 10:59:18 PM
Unsane (2018)
★ ★ ½
The first half is quite good, with a commanding performance by Claire Foy that nicely has little in common with her work on The Crown. While I quickly felt confident that would hold all the way through (and it does), I was nervous about Soderbergh. He's not someone who like to play strictly within genre norms, even though he can be better at it than most. I figured the ending would blow up into full on Horror and slip through his fingers while he played with the question of Foy's sanity. Instead, he strips away the thrills and the film becomes more of a two-character drama in confined spaces, which is more to his style but it turns the temperature way down.