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Title: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 08, 2010, 10:55:43 PM
I'm going to get the ball rolling on this. I wanted to get this thread up just so people can start thinking of documentaries they might include on their ballots. Vote in the poll, I want to get an idea of how many films people would feel they can include on their list before they exhaust the films they strongly support.

Filmspotting Top 100 Documentaries Rules:
1. The shortlist was determined by submitted ranked ballots.
2. Go to this page (https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHpPYVgyLXVUa0pBX05sZm9kZnhrVUE6MQ#gid=4) and rate all the shortlist films you have seen on a 1-10 scale.
3. You have until the end of the day on April 22nd, 2011 to submit your rankings form.
4. Final Top 100 will be determined by weighted average rating, which is a function of how many people rate (have seen) each film.
5. Results will be presented (Date TBD)

Thanks!




Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist of 169 Films

24 City  (Jia Zhangke, 2008)
The Act of Seeing with One's Own Eyes  (Stan Brakhage, 1971)
Alone in the Wilderness  (Bob Swerer & Bob Swerer Jr., 2004)
American Movie  (Chris Smith, 1999)
American Teen  (Nanette Burstein, 2008)
Anvil! The Story of Anvil  (Sacha Gervasi, 2008)
The Aristocrats  (Paul Provenza, 2005)
At the Death House Door  (Steve James & Peter Gilbert, 2008)
Baraka  (Ron Fricke, 1992)
Baseball  (Ken Burns, 1994)
The Battle of Chile  (Patricio Guzmán, 1975-79)
The Beaches of Agnès  (Agnès Varda, 2008)
Bigger Stronger Faster*  (Chris Bell, 2008)
Bill Cunningham New York  (Richard Press, 2010)
Blood of the Beasts  (Georges Franju, 1949)
Bowling for Columbine  (Michael Moore, 2002)
Bright Leaves  (Ross McElwee, 2003)
Buena Vista Social Club  (Wim Wenders, 1999)
Burden of Dreams  (Les Blank, 1982)
Burma VJ: Reporting from a Closed Country  (Anders Østergaard, 2008)
Bus 174  (José Padilha, 2002)
Capturing the Friedmans  (Andrew Jarecki, 2003)
Catfish  (Henry Joost & Ariel Schulman, 2010)
The Cats of Mirikitani  (Linda Hattendorf, 2006)
The Century of the Self  (Adam Curtis, 2002)
The Children of the Commune  (Juliane Grossheim, 2009)
Children Underground  (Edet Belzberg, 2001)
The Civil War  (Ken Burns, 1990)
Control Room  (Jehane Noujaim, 2004)
The Corporation  (Mark Achbar, 2003)
The Cove  (Louie Psihoyos, 2009)
Crazy Love  (Dan Klores, 2007)
Crisis: Behind a Presidential Commitment  (Robert Drew, 1963)
Crumb  (Terry Zwigoff, 1994)
Daguerréotypes  (Agnès Varda, 1976)
La Danse: The Paris Opera Ballet  (Frederick Wiseman, 2009)
Dark Days  (Marc Singer, 2000)
Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father  (Kurt Kuenne, 2008)
A Decade Under the Influence  (Ted Demme & Richard LaGravenese, 2003)
Deep Water  (Louise Osmond & Jerry Rothwell, 2006)
The Devil and Daniel Johnston  (Jeff Feuerzeig, 2005)
Dogtown and Z-Boys  (Stacy Peralta, 2001)
Dont Look Back  (D.A. Pennebaker, 1967)
The Elephant Will Never Forget  (John Krish, 1953)
The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On  (Hara Kazuo, 1987)
Encounters at the End of the World  (Werner Herzog, 2007)
The Endless Summer II  (Bruce Brown, 1994)
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room  (Alex Gibney, 2005)
Exit Through the Gift Shop  (Banksy, 2010)
Eyes on the Prize  (Henry Hampton, 1987)
F for Fake  (Orson Welles, 1973)
Fahrenheit 9/11  (Michael Moore, 2004)
Fast, Cheap & Out of Control  (Errol Morris, 1997)
The Five Obstructions  (Jørgen Leth & Lars von Trier, 2003)
The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara  (Errol Morris, 2003)
Food, Inc.  (Robert Kenner, 2008)
For All Mankind  (Al Reinert, 1989)
Garbo: The Spy  (Edmon Roch, 2009)
The Garden  (Scott Hamilton Kennedy, 2008)
Gates of Heaven  (Errol Morris, 1978)
Gimme Shelter  (Albert Maysles, David Maysles & Charlotte Zwerin, 1970)
The Gleaners & I  (Agnès Varda, 2000)
The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner  (Werner Herzog, 1974)
Grey Gardens  (David Maysles, Albert Maysles, Ellen Hovde & Muffie Meyer, 1975)
Grizzly Man  (Werner Herzog, 2005)
Harlan County U.S.A.  (Barbara Kopple, 1976)
Hearts and Minds  (Peter Davis, 1974)
Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse  (Fax Bahr & George Hickenlooper, 1991)
Helvetica  (Gary Hustwit, 2007)
High School  (Frederick Wiseman, 1968)
Hold Me Tight, Let Me Go  (Kim Longinotto, 2007)
Hoop Dreams  (Steve James, 1994)
The House Is Black  (Forugh Farrokhzad, 1963)
In the Shadow of the Moon  (David Sington, 2007)
An Inconvenient Truth  (Davis Guggenheim, 2006)
Inside Job  (Charles Ferguson, 2010)
Jackass: The Movie  (Jeff Tremaine, 2002)
Jesus Camp  (Heidi Ewing & Rachel Grady, 2006)
The Kid Stays in the Picture  (Nanette Burstein & Brett Morgen, 2002)
The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters  (Seth Gordon, 2007)
Koyaanisqatsi  (Godfrey Reggio, 1982)
Lake of Fire  (Tony Kaye, 2006)
Land of Silence and Darkness  (Werner Herzog, 1971)
The Last Days  (James Moll, 1998)
The Last Waltz  (Martin Scorsese, 1978)
Little Dieter Needs to Fly  (Werner Herzog, 1998)
Looking for Richard  (Al Pacino, 1996)
Los Angeles Plays Itself  (Thom Andersen, 2003)
Lost in La Mancha  (Keith Fulton & Louis Pepe, 2002)
Man of Aran  (Robert Flaherty, 1934)
Man on Wire  (James Marsh, 2008)
Man with a Movie Camera  (Dziga Vertov, 1929)
Memorandum  (Donald Brittain & John Spotton, 1967)
Metallica: Some Kind of Monster  (Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky, 2004)
Murder on a Sunday Morning  (Jean-Xavier de Lestrade, 2001)
Murderball  (Henry Alex Rubin & Dana Adam Shapiro, 2005)
My Best Fiend: Klaus Kinski  (Werner Herzog, 1999)
My Kid Could Paint That  (Amir Bar-Lev, 2007)
My Winnipeg  (Guy Maddin, 2007)
The Mystery of Picasso  (Henri-Georges Clouzot, 1956)
Nanook of the North  (Robert Flaherty, 1922)
Near Death  (Frederick Wiseman, 1989)
New York Doll  (Greg Whiteley, 2005)
Night and Fog  (Alain Resnais, 1955)
Night Mail  (Harry Watt & Basil Wright, 1936)
Nightmares in Red, White and Blue: The Evolution of the American Horror Film  (Andrew Monument, 2009)
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan  (Martin Scorsese, 2005)
No End in Sight  (Charles Ferguson, 2007)
Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!  (Mark Hartley, 2008)
One Day in September  (Kevin Macdonald, 1999)
Operation Filmmaker  (Nina Davenport, 2007)
Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills  (Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky, 1996)
Paris Is Burning  (Jennie Livingston, 1990)
Perversion for Profit  (Charles Keating, 1965)
Planet Earth  (Alastair Fothergill, 2006)
The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear  (Adam Curtis, 2004)
Primary  (Robert Drew, 1960)
Public Housing  (Frederick Wiseman, 1997)
The Red Chapel  (Mads Brügger, 2009)
Religulous  (Larry Charles, 2008)
Restrepo  (Tim Hetherington & Sebastian Junger, 2010)
Riding Giants  (Stacy Peralta, 2004)
Roger & Me  (Michael Moore, 1989)
Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired  (Marina Zenovich, 2008)
Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage  (Sam Dunn & Scot McFadyen, 2010)
Ryan  (Chris Landreth, 2004)
Salesman  (Albert Maysles, David Maysles & Charlotte Zwerin, 1968)
Sans soleil  (Chris Marker, 1983)
Scratch  (Doug Pray, 2001)
Sherman's March  (Ross McElwee, 1986)
Shoah  (Claude Lanzmann, 1985)
Shut Up & Sing  (Barbara Kopple & Cecilia Peck, 2006)
Sicko  (Michael Moore, 2007)
La Soufrière  (Werner Herzog, 1977)
Spellbound  (Jeffrey Blitz, 2002)
Standard Operating Procedure  (Errol Morris, 2008)
State Legislature  (Frederick Wiseman, 2007)
Stevie  (Steve James, 2002)
Stop Making Sense  (Jonathan Demme, 1984)
Stranded: I've Come from a Plane That Crashed on the Mountains  (Gonzalo Arijon, 2007)
Street Fight  (Marshall Curry, 2005)
Streetwise  (Martin Bell, 1984)
Style Wars  (Henry Chalfant & Tony Silver, 1984)
Super Size Me  (Morgan Spurlock, 2004)
Survivors of the Holocaust  (Allan Holzman, 1996)
Ted Baryluk's Grocery  (Mike Mirus & John Paskievich, 1982)
They Took Us to the Sea  (John Krish, 1961)
The Thin Blue Line  (Errol Morris, 1988)
This Film Is Not Yet Rated  (Kirby Dick, 2006)
A Time for Burning  (Barbara Connell & Bill Jersey, 1967)
The Times of Harvey Milk  (Rob Epstein, 1984)
Titicut Follies  (Frederick Wiseman, 1967)
Touching the Void  (Kevin Macdonald, 2003)
Trekkies  (Roger Nygard, 1997)
The Two Escobars  (Jeff Zimbalist & Michael Zimbalist, 2010)
The Up Series  (Paul Almond & Michael Apted, 1964-2005)
Up the Yangtze  (Yung Chang, 2007)
Vernon, Florida  (Errol Morris, 1981)
Visions of Light: The Art of Cinematography  (Arnold Glassman, Todd McCarthy, & Stuart Samuels, 1992)
Waltz with Bashir  (Ari Folman, 2008)
The Weather Underground  (Sam Green & Bill Siegel, 2002)
Welfare  (Frederick Wiseman, 1975)
When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts  (Spike Lee, 2006)
When We Were Kings  (Leon Gast, 1996)
Winged Migration  (Jacques Perrin, 2001)
Woodstock  (Michael Wadleigh, 1970)
Wordplay  (Patrick Creadon, 2006)
Young@Heart  (Stephen Walker, 2007)
Zoo  (Robinson Devor, 2007)



Titles Available to Stream Online
[noembed]Blood of the Beasts — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFAUA8_mfXs)
The Elephant Will Never Forget — London Transport Museum (http://www.ltmcollection.org/films/film/film.html?IXfilm=FLO.0009&_IXSESSION_=SCyDuz2kqj0)
Los Angeles Plays Itself — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SNc41zyLJ0)
Memorandum — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/film/Memorandum/)
Night Mail — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_oekWnniDU)
Perversion for Profit — archive.org (http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965)
Ryan — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/hd/ryan/)
Streetwise — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZERDYwSUgCE)
Ted Baryluk's Grocery — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/film/ted_baryluks_grocery)[/noembed]


Titles Available to Stream from Netflix
The Beaches of Agnès
Bigger Stronger Faster*
Bright Leaves
Buena Vista Social Club
Burden of Dreams
Capturing the Friedmans
The Cats of Mirikitani
The Civil War
The Corporation
The Cove
Crazy Love
Deep Water
Dogtown and Z-Boys
Encounters at the End of the World
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
Exit Through the Gift Shop
F for Fake
The Five Obstructions
Food, Inc.
Gates of Heaven
The Gleaners & I
The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner
Grey Gardens
Harlan County U.S.A.
Hearts and Minds
Helvetica
Hoop Dreams
Jesus Camp
Land of Silence and Darkness
Lost in La Mancha
Man on Wire
Man with a Movie Camera
My Winnipeg
Nightmares in Red, White and Blue: The Evolution of the American Horror Film
No End in Sight
Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!
Restrepo
Roger & Me
Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired
Sans soleil
Sherman's March
La Soufrière
Stranded: I've Come from a Plane That Crashed on the Mountains
Street Fight
Super Size Me
The Thin Blue Line
This Film Is Not Yet Rated
Touching the Void
The Up Series [partial]
Up the Yangtze
Vernon, Florida
The Weather Underground


Directors with Multiple Shortlisted Films
Frederick Wiseman — 7
Werner Herzog — 7
Errol Morris — 6
Michael Moore — 4
Agnès Varda — 3
Albert Maysles — 3
David Maysles — 3
Steve James — 3
Adam Curtis — 2
Barbara Kopple — 2
Bruce Sinofsky — 2
Charles Ferguson — 2
Charlotte Zwerin — 2
Joe Berlinger — 2
John Krish — 2
Ken Burns — 2
Kevin Macdonald — 2
Martin Scorsese — 2
Nanette Burstein — 2
Robert Drew — 2
Robert Flaherty — 2
Ross McElwee — 2
Stacy Peralta — 2


Shortlisted Films by Year

1922:  1
1929:  1
1934:  1
1936:  1
1949:  1
1953:  1
1955:  1
1956:  1
Total:  8

1960:  1
1961:  1
1963:  2
1965:  1
1967:  4
1968:  2
Total:  11

1970:  2
1971:  2
1973:  1
1974:  2
1975:  3
1976:  2
1977:  1
1978:  2
Total:  15

1981:  1
1982:  3
1983:  1
1984:  5
1985:  1
1986:  1
1987:  2
1988:  1
1989:  3
Total:  18

1990:  2
1991:  1
1992:  2
1994:  4
1996:  4
1997:  3
1998:  2
1999:  4
Total:  22

2000:  2
2001:  5
2002:  9
2003:  8
2004:  8
2005:  8
Total:  40

2006:  10
2007:  16
2008:  16
2009:  6
2010:  7
Total:  55
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on November 08, 2010, 11:14:04 PM
1.  :-\
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 08, 2010, 11:18:11 PM
edit: new list posted below
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 08, 2010, 11:34:51 PM
Time for Burning, A
Dear Zachary
Bowling For Columbine
Super Size Me
Fog of War, The
Times of Harvey Milk, The
Waste Land
Lake of Fire
Business of Being Born
The Greatest Movie Ever Sold
Prodigal Sons
State Legislature
Gleaners & I, The
Aristocrats, The
Sick Around The World
Good Hair
Bag It
Two Spirits
Garden, The
Street Fight
Burma VJ
Sicko
Control Room
Slingshot Hip-Hop
American Teen
Common Threads: Stories From The Quilt
King of Kong, The
Murderball
Riding Giants
Cove, The
Playground
Touching the Void
Exit Through The Gift Shop
My Winnipeg
Fahrenheit 9/11
Cropsey
We Live In Public
Dark Days
Devil’s Playground
Client 9
In My Hands: A Story of Marfan Syndrome
For All Mankind
Believe: The Eddie Izzard Story
Mother’s Courage, A
Inconvenient Truth, An
Weather Underground, The
La Danse
High School
Inside Job
South of the Border
Roman Polanksi: Wanted and Desired
Trinidad
Near Death
Thinking XXX
My Kid Could Paint That
Shut Up And Sing
Countdown To Zero
The 11th Hour
Who Killed the Electric Car?
Garrison Keillor: Man on Radio in Red Shoes
Restrepo
Most Dangerous Man in America, The
Where In The World Is Osama Bin Laden?
Jesus Camp
Middle Sexes
Wordplay
Line of Beauty and Grace
Hell House
Sick Around America
Transcendent Man
Afghan Star
Outfoxed
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: zarodinu on November 09, 2010, 12:12:15 AM
Preliminary list, subject to extreme re-jiggering:

5. The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On

Keep hearing vague good things about this one.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on November 09, 2010, 12:15:43 AM
I think top 30 is a good number like the books list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on November 09, 2010, 12:17:26 AM
Preliminary list, subject to extreme re-jiggering:

1. American Movie.....
.......
.......100. Nanook of the North

Is Gimme Shelter somewhere in the next 100?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 09, 2010, 12:22:13 AM
I think top 30 is a good number like the books list.

That would probably work. Basically what I'm shooting for ultimately is, given low to moderate overlap, a number large enough that at least 150 films get nominated but small enough that the most widely seen docs don't just crowd out everything else by being (low) on everyone's list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 09, 2010, 07:43:19 AM
Preliminary list, subject to extreme re-jiggering:

5. The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On

Keep hearing vague good things about this one.

If you want to hear specific good things, my review is here (http://martintellermovies.com/oct07.htm#Emp).


Is Gimme Shelter somewhere in the next 100?

Yes, and rather high in the next 100.


I think top 30 is a good number like the books list.

Ooh, I'd hate to narrow my list down to 30.  What's wrong with 100?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Adrienne on November 09, 2010, 07:49:31 AM
Blimey! Look at them lists!
I only know one that I would want listed:
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Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 09, 2010, 08:59:58 AM
Ooh, I'd hate to narrow my list down to 30.  What's wrong with 100?

small enough that the most widely seen docs don't just crowd out everything else by being (low) on everyone's list.

You seem to have a particularly deep appreciation of documentary, which is great. For me to make a list of 100 I'd have to put a large portion of the documentaries I've seen, getting into some I didn't love. I don't think I'd be alone in this. While obviously not everyone is going to love all the things on the final list, I'd like them to at least love the things on their own list or else I think it undercuts the point of the list to some degree. I think it makes sense to submit 100 film ballots for the Top 100 Films but Documentaries, like Animation (where I was getting into the "mildly enjoy" films by #40, and I'm someone who has seen a ton of animated films), probably won't support that big of a list while keeping the same spirit.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on November 09, 2010, 10:30:14 AM
Seriously I don't think I've even seen 100 docs.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 09, 2010, 10:52:58 AM
You seem to have a particularly deep appreciation of documentary, which is great. For me to make a list of 100 I'd have to put a large portion of the documentaries I've seen, getting into some I didn't love. I don't think I'd be alone in this. While obviously not everyone is going to love all the things on the final list, I'd like them to at least love the things on their own list or else I think it undercuts the point of the list to some degree. I think it makes sense to submit 100 film ballots for the Top 100 Films but Documentaries, like Animation (where I was getting into the "mildly enjoy" films by #40, and I'm someone who has seen a ton of animated films), probably won't support that big of a list while keeping the same spirit.

Fair enough.  Here's the final list then (unless I change it, then that will be the final list) (unless I change it again)

1. American Movie
2. F for Fake
3. Hoop Dreams
4. The Man With a Movie Camera
5. The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On
6. La Soufriere
7. Night and Fog
8. Grizzly Man
9. Capturing the Friedmans
10. The Mystery of Picasso
11. The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes
12. For All Mankind
13. Burma VJ
14. Let's Get Lost
15. Shoah
16. No Direction Home
17. Dark Days
18. A Time for Burning
19. Murder on a Sunday Morning
20. Antonio Gaudi
21. Baraka
22. Touching the Void
23. Encounters at the End of the World
24. Olympia
25. Grey Gardens
26. Murderball
27. Powers of Ten
28. The Goebbels Experiment
29. Symbiopsychotaxiplasm: Take One
30. Toute la memoire du monde


and a bunch more that I like:

Mr. Death | Lost in La Mancha | An Inconvenient Truth | Sound and Fury | Super Size Me | Lynch (One) | Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures | Hearts of Darkness | Bowling for Columbine | The House is Black | The White Diamond | Z Channel: A Magnificent Obsession | Imagine: John Lennon | Inside Rooms: 26 Bathrooms, London & Oxfordshire, 1985 | The Love Life of the Octopus | Crumb | The Comedians of Comedy | The Private Life of a Cat | Nanking | My Kid Could Paint That | Paradise Lost | Joy Division | Stranded: I Have Come from a Plane that Crashed on the Mountains | Ballad of a Little Soldier | The Devil and Daniel Johnston | Du côté de la côte | Stevie | Harlan County, USA | Lessons of Darkness | The King of Kong | Listen to Britain | Man on Wire | Salesman | Regret to Inform | Mad Hot Ballroom | Wordplay | Kinoglaz | Tokyo Olympiad | Bells from the Deep | Scratch | The Last Days | Wodaabe: Herdsmen of the Sun | Bergman Island | Cinemania | The Sorrow and the Pity | The Bridge | Berlin: Symphony of a Great City | Prisoner of Paradise | Style Wars | Good Hair | Fahrenheit 9/11 | Don't Look Back | The Decline of Western Civilization | Comedian | Burden of Dreams | Forgiving Dr. Mengele | Dear Zachary | Jesus Camp | S21: The Khmer Rouge Killing Machine | Trekkies | Koko, a Talking Gorilla | The Liberation of Auschwitz | Hearts and Minds | La Hora de los Hornos | Echoes from a Somber Empire | Hell House | Titicut Follies | Twist of Faith | Slasher | Her Name Is Sabine | Nanook of the North | The Inner Eye | General Idi Amin Dada | Gimme Shelter | Religulous | Blood of the Beasts | Brother's Keeper | The Cove | The Making of Fanny & Alexander | The Gleaners & I | Into the Arms of Strangers | March of the Penguins | Spellbound | Sugihara: Conspiracy of Kindness | House: After Five Years of Living | Ikebana | Land of Silence and Darkness | Man of Aran | Louisiana Story | The Most Dangerous Man in America | Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey | The Times of Harvey Milk
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: pixote on November 09, 2010, 11:51:57 AM
One for resource for the first post: the Top 5 Docs (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=2534.0) thread.

I think it'd be great for people who've seen 100 list-worthy docs to be able to nominate them ... but the tendency for others to pad their lists with middling films is pretty strong, I think. It's a really tough balance.

One way to think of it though: Eventually, we're going to have to rate all these films on a scale of 1-10. So the rules could say something like, "Please don't nominate anything that you'd rate below a 7." Or something.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 09, 2010, 12:17:19 PM
Ok, in consultation with my co-conspiritor on this project (pix) I've decided to allow ballots to be up to 100 films but the point system heavily emphasizes the top 30. Hopefully this is a happy medium. No one should feel the need to submit more films than they strongly support.

Anyway, the point system will look something like this: 15 points for ranking 1-5, 10 for 6-10, 8 for 11-15, 7 for 16-20, 6 for 21-25, 5 for 26-30, 2 for 31-50, and 1 for 51-100).

Martin, I do want to apologize to you since you switched his list around a bit based on the discussion for any extra hassle involved in that, but in these early days of the process I'm trying to mold the system to best account for the various concerns so it is a bit fluid.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ses on November 09, 2010, 12:30:57 PM
Another list? I can't keep track of these things anymore.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 09, 2010, 12:43:25 PM
Martin, I do want to apologize to you since you switched his list around a bit based on the discussion for any extra hassle involved in that, but in these early days of the process I'm trying to mold the system to best account for the various concerns so it is a bit fluid.

It's okay, there were already roughly in order, and below #30 it's not enough points difference to matter that much.  Here we go again:

1. American Movie
2. F for Fake
3. Hoop Dreams
4. The Man With a Movie Camera
5. The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On
6. La Soufriere
7. Night and Fog
8. Grizzly Man
9. Capturing the Friedmans
10. The Mystery of Picasso
11. The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes
12. For All Mankind
13. Burma VJ
14. Let's Get Lost
15. Shoah
16. No Direction Home
17. Dark Days
18. A Time for Burning
19. Murder on a Sunday Morning
20. Antonio Gaudi
21. Baraka
22. Touching the Void
23. Encounters at the End of the World
24. Olympia
25. Grey Gardens
26. Murderball
27. Powers of Ten
28. The Goebbels Experiment
29. Symbiopsychotaxiplasm: Take One
30. Toute la memoire du monde
31. Mr. Death
32. Lost in La Mancha
33. An Inconvenient Truth
34. Sound and Fury
35. Super Size Me
36. Lynch (One)
37. Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures
38. Hearts of Darkness
39. Bowling for Columbine
40. The House is Black
41. The White Diamond
42. Z Channel: A Magnificent Obsession
43. Imagine: John Lennon
44. Inside Rooms: 26 Bathrooms, London & Oxfordshire, 1985
45. The Love Life of the Octopus
46. Crumb
47. The Comedians of Comedy
48. The Private Life of a Cat
49. Nanking
50. My Kid Could Paint That
51. Paradise Lost
52. Joy Division
53. Stranded: I Have Come from a Plane that Crashed on the Mountains
54. Ballad of a Little Soldier
55. The Devil and Daniel Johnston
56. Du côté de la côte
57. Stevie
58. Harlan County, USA
59. Lessons of Darkness
60. The King of Kong
61. Listen to Britain
62. Man on Wire
63. Salesman
64. Regret to Inform
65. Mad Hot Ballroom
66. Wordplay
67. Kinoglaz
68. Tokyo Olympiad
69. Bells from the Deep
70. Scratch
71. The Last Days
72. Wodaabe: Herdsmen of the Sun
73. Bergman Island
74. Cinemania
75. The Sorrow and the Pity
76. The Bridge
77. Berlin: Symphony of a Great City
78. Prisoner of Paradise
79. Style Wars
80. Good Hair
81. Fahrenheit 9/11
82. Don't Look Back
83. The Decline of Western Civilization
84. Comedian
85. Burden of Dreams
86. Forgiving Dr. Mengele
87. Dear Zachary
88. Jesus Camp
89. S21: The Khmer Rouge Killing Machine
90. Trekkies
91. Koko, a Talking Gorilla
92. The Liberation of Auschwitz
93. Hearts and Minds
94. La Hora de los Hornos
95. Echoes from a Somber Empire
96. Hell House
97. Titicut Follies
98. Twist of Faith
99. Slasher
100. Her Name Is Sabine


Also noteworthy: Nanook of the North | The Inner Eye | General Idi Amin Dada | Gimme Shelter | Religulous | Blood of the Beasts | Brother's Keeper | The Cove | The Making of Fanny & Alexander | The Gleaners & I | Into the Arms of Strangers | March of the Penguins | Spellbound | Sugihara: Conspiracy of Kindness | House: After Five Years of Living | Ikebana | Land of Silence and Darkness | Man of Aran | Louisiana Story | The Most Dangerous Man in America | Theremin: An Electronic Odyssey | The Times of Harvey Milk
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: pixote on November 09, 2010, 12:58:35 PM
Martin, I do want to apologize to you since you switched his list around a bit based on the discussion for any extra hassle involved in that...

Don't apologize. He's a list-making fiend. You're just feeding his habit.  :)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 09, 2010, 01:01:36 PM
Top 100 People Who Mock Me On Filmspotters And Will Get Their Comeuppance In Due Time:

1. pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: 'Noke on November 09, 2010, 01:04:57 PM
So, I finally get a directors and performances list done, and then this comes up! Meh. I can't be bothered.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 09, 2010, 01:17:03 PM
So, I finally get a directors and performances list done, and then this comes up! Meh. I can't be bothered.

For those feeling a similar sense of list burnout (trust me, I understand but it seems like there will always be more lists whether or not I get mine in) I just want to say that you can participate in the second part even without submitting a list. Obviously I'd like to make the fixed list of 150 or so titles be as representative as possible so getting good participation would be nice, but I'm really hoping that I can get a lot of people to participate in at least rating those from the fixed list they've seen...I think that is a lot less time consuming way to contribute to the list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 09, 2010, 01:39:39 PM
Using Criticker (http://www.criticker.com/) makes generating personal lists like this very easy.  Believe me, I don't have a whole bunch of lists sitting around, I just go to Criticker and filter by genre (or director, year, country, whatever I'm ranking). 

The funny thing is that Criticker is supposed to be for generating recommendations, but I've never used it for that.  I already have a ton of movies I want to see.  I just use it to keep track of what I've seen and how much I liked it.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: zarodinu on November 09, 2010, 01:39:53 PM
Fast Cheap and Out of Control will make my list along with most Morris documentaries.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: pixote on November 09, 2010, 02:46:25 PM
Fast Cheap and Out of Control will make my list along with most Morris documentaries.

That's a film that won't make my list but will still receive a pretty high vote from me (a 7) in the second round of voting. That's one of the reason I like this system. Even though a film isn't in my own personal top 100, I still get to have a say in where it appears in our collective Top 100. Good job, Bondo!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bill Thompson on November 09, 2010, 03:08:34 PM
I think people know what I voted for. Good luck with the list to all those involved, I wish you well, but I won't be participating.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on November 09, 2010, 03:17:25 PM
I think people know what I voted for. Good luck with the list to all those involved, I wish you well, but I won't be participating.

I remember you finding some merit in Style Wars.  Have you seen other hip hop docs like Scratch?  I know I could perform a search but I'm lazy.  Plus, this is the 404 Error Era.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bill Thompson on November 09, 2010, 04:00:10 PM
I think people know what I voted for. Good luck with the list to all those involved, I wish you well, but I won't be participating.

I remember you finding some merit in Style Wars.  Have you seen other hip hop docs like Scratch?  I know I could perform a search but I'm lazy.  Plus, this is the 404 Error Era.

I did like Style Wars, just wish it had been more focused. Can't say I've ever seen any other hip hop docs though.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on November 09, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
1. Welfare (Frederick Wiseman)
2. Hold Me Tight, Let Me Go (Kim Longinotto)
3. Night and Fog (Alain Resnais)
4. A Married Couple (Allan King)
5. Warrendale (Allan King)
6. Gimme Shelter (Albert and David Maysles, Charlotte Zwerin)
7. Titicut Follies (Frederick Wiseman)
8. Memorandum (John Spotton & Donald Brittain)
9. Eyes on the Prize (Henry Hampton and Various)
10. Domestic Violence (Frederick Wiseman)
11. Middletown (Peter Davis and Various)
12. The Up Series (Michael Apted, Paul Almond)
13. Divorce Iranian Style (Kim Longinotto)
14. Streetwise (Martin Bell)
15. First Contact (Robin Anderson and Bob Connolly)
16. Harlan County U.S.A. (Barbara Kopple)
17. Hearts and Minds (Peter Davis)
18. Crisis: Behind a Presidential Commitment (Robert Drew)
19. The Battle of Chile (Patricio Guzman)
20. The Thin Blue Line (Errol Morris)
21. A Grin Without a Cat (Chris Marker)
22. Shoah (Claude Lanzmann)
23. Salesman (Albert and David Maysles; Charlotte Zwerin)
24. Hoop Dreams (Steve James)
25. Gaea Girls (Kim Longinotto)

There are many more great docs, but I'll just go with 25.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 09, 2010, 05:06:09 PM
And how many negative votes do we get?  :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 09, 2010, 06:19:12 PM
Shorts are cool, right?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 09, 2010, 06:31:23 PM
Shorts are cool, right?

Works for me.

Heh, as to negative votes, I like to think of the second part's rating as a way to more positively capture that component of the BoD process.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: smirnoff on November 09, 2010, 06:47:36 PM
Oh no, not that can of worms again! :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 09, 2010, 07:11:22 PM
Shorts are cool, right?
Works for me.
Cool.

Oh no, not that can of worms again! :)
;)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: oldkid on November 09, 2010, 09:39:42 PM
The one that I'd really want to include not already on the list is Some Kind of Monster.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 09, 2010, 09:52:15 PM
BTW, like ok did above, I want to encourage that people, even if you don't have a list put together (planning to do so or not) to feel free to throw out documentaries that you want in the discussion (and on the FYC list).
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 10, 2010, 12:58:13 AM
15 14 films that intrigue me but I likely won't see before the deadline
51 Birch Street (2005)
A Time for Burning (1967)
Eat the Document (1972)
Elvis: That's the Way It Is (1970)
Être et avoir (2002)
The rest of Eyes on the Prize (1987, 1990)
Heartworn Highways (1976)
I Think We're Alone Now (2008)
Little Dieter Needs to Fly (1997)
Man With a Movie Camera (1929)
T.A.M.I. Show (1964)
The Gleaners and I (2000)
The Sorrow and the Pity (1969)
Warrendale (1967)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on November 10, 2010, 08:10:33 AM
DJ Shadow - Dark Days (Main Theme) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zrn_UcWCkzQ&feature=related#)

So good.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Jared on November 10, 2010, 10:19:06 AM
those 30 for 30 things on ESPN count hopefully.....

I those more as films than episodes of a tv show. Only a few would make my list, but still.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: 1SO on November 10, 2010, 10:56:50 AM
For Your Consideration...

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Review (Part 1 of 7) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI#)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 10, 2010, 11:01:31 AM
those 30 for 30 things on ESPN count hopefully.....

I those more as films than episodes of a tv show. Only a few would make my list, but still.

I have two episodes of PBS Frontline on my list, so yes. I'm going to trust the wisdom of the masses to determine what a documentary is. I draw a line at things not appearing on imdb.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: zarodinu on November 10, 2010, 12:05:30 PM
For Your Consideration...

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace Review (Part 1 of 7) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxKtZmQgxrI#)

Its about to become a trilogy, and if it counts I would totally vote for all 3.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 10, 2010, 01:32:06 PM
No, it isn't eligible...not on imdb. This is top 100 Documentaries, not Top 100 viral videos.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: zarodinu on November 10, 2010, 01:42:24 PM
No, it isn't eligible...not on imdb. This is top 100 Documentaries, not Top 100 viral videos.

Racist, its 70 min long (second part is 90 min) and its made by an independent movie company that makes actual non-documentary movies, also includes Errol Morris style scenes with professional actors for the serial killer bits.  Its not a viral video if its over and hour long, professionally made, and actually good.

What on Gods green earth is the difference between a documentary short and a viral video anyway?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bill Thompson on November 10, 2010, 02:36:45 PM
Anything that keeps that absolute rubbish from being included is a-ok by me. :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: pixote on November 10, 2010, 03:23:30 PM
those 30 for 30 things on ESPN count hopefully.....

I those more as films than episodes of a tv show. Only a few would make my list, but still.

I have two episodes of PBS Frontline on my list, so yes. I'm going to trust the wisdom of the masses to determine what a documentary is. I draw a line at things not appearing on imdb.

I'll be voting for a couple of very notable documentaries that for whatever reason aren't on IMDb. (I tried to add one myself, but it didn't take, probably because I was too lazy to write a plot summary.)

edit: Oh wait, nevermind, they finally added it.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: oneaprilday on November 10, 2010, 03:31:50 PM
Is Exit Through the Gift Shop eligible? (IMDb tags it as a doc.)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 10, 2010, 03:35:18 PM
Is Exit Through the Gift Shop eligible? (IMDb tags it as a doc.)

Mos def.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on November 10, 2010, 04:00:39 PM
The doc that I think would go over well with 90-95% of you, fine Filmspotting folks, is:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pvbL2zqcL.jpg)

Watch it.  It's great.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 10, 2010, 04:49:14 PM
FYC

I have fond memories of all these NFB films, I'll have to re-watch some of them before they make my final list.

[noembed](http://i29.tinypic.com/v8ogzm.jpg)
Cesar's Bark Canoe (http://www.nfb.ca/film/Cesars_Bark_Canoe/) (Bernard Gosselin, 1971)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/67/67162/p.jpg)
Billy Crane Moves Away (http://www.nfb.ca/film/billy_crane_moves_away/) (Colin Low, 1967)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/67/67073/4.jpg)
Encounter at Kwacha House (http://www.nfb.ca/film/encounter_at_kwacha_house_halifax/) (Rex Tasker, 1967)

(http://pixyup.net/images/lesenfnon.jpg)
Les Enfants du Silence/Children of Silence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkH5YgVJdC4) (Michel Brault, 1962)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/web428x321/Films/541/541_2.jpg)
Golden Gloves (http://www.nfb.ca/film/golden_gloves/) (Gilles Groulx, 1961)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/65/65088/4.jpg)
Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Leonard Cohen (http://www.nfb.ca/film/ladies_and_gentlemen_mr_leonard_cohen/) (Donald Brittain and Don Owen, 1965)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/61/61023/8.jpg)
Lonely Boy (http://www.nfb.ca/film/lonely_boy/) (Wolf Koenig and Roman Kroitor, 1962)

(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k109/mrgrum/680_2WEBBIG.jpg)
La Lutte/Wrestling (http://www.nfb.ca/film/La_lutte/) (Michel Brault, Marcel Carrière, Claude Fournier and Claude Jutra, 1961)

(http://i32.tinypic.com/9pmg5y.jpg)
Paul Tomkowicz: Street Railway Switchman (http://www.nfb.ca/film/paul_tomkowicz_street_railway_switchman/) (Roman Kroitor, 1954)

(http://www.desimages.be/local/cache-vignettes/L512xH288/pourlasuitedumonde-ffa95.jpg)
Pour la Suite du Monde (http://www.nfb.ca/film/pour_la_suite_du_monde_en/) (Michel Brault and Pierre Perrault, 1963)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/96/96042/3.jpg)
Project Grizzly (http://www.nfb.ca/film/project_grizzly/) (Peter Lynch, 1996)

(http://www.film-documentaire.fr/photos/articles//raquetteurs.jpg)
Les Raquetteurs/The Snowshoers (http://www.nfb.ca/film/Les_raquetteurs) (Michel Brault and Gilles Groulx, 1958)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/86/86056/5.jpg)
Richard Cardinal: Cry from a Diary of a Métis Child (http://www.nfb.ca/film/richard_cardinal/) (Alanis Obomsawin, 1986)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/82/82010/8.jpg)
Ted Baryluk's Grocery (http://www.nfb.ca/film/ted_baryluks_grocery/) (Michael Mirus and John Paskievich, 1982)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/web428x321/Films/10550/10550_4.jpg)
The Things I Cannot Change (http://www.nfb.ca/film/things_i_cannot_change/) (Tanya Ballantyne, 1967)

(http://media1.nfb.ca/medias/nfb_tube/thumbs_large/2008/Un_jeu_si_simple-BIG.jpg)
Un Jeu si Simple (http://www.onf.ca/film/Un_jeu_si_simple/) (Gilles Groulx, 1964)

(http://www3.nfb.ca/cinerobot/cinerobotheque/IMG428x321_WEB/69/69017/5.jpg)
You Are on Indian Land (http://www.nfb.ca/film/you_are_on_indian_land) (Mort Ransen, 1969)[/noembed]
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: oldkid on November 10, 2010, 04:52:11 PM
Deliver Us From Evil should be on the list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on November 10, 2010, 04:57:44 PM
I have fond memories of all these NFB films

How about Memorandum (http://www.nfb.ca/film/Memorandum/)?

Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on November 10, 2010, 04:59:50 PM
Matt giving the NFB some love.

BTW If the Star Wars is allowed can this be too?

Dramatic Chipmunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Y73sPHKxw#)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: smirnoff on November 10, 2010, 05:31:04 PM
Maybe my #1...

Alone in the Wilderness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss#)

I love watching him work. His precision with a couple simple hand tools is SICK. Need a mallet? Build it. Need a chimney? Build it. Need a door? Build it.

I first saw this as a young teenager. It really brought out the DIYer in me. Taught me the value in building things yourself. The personal satisfaction that comes with working with your hands. I mean I always kind of knew there was value, but this made me respect it and understand it. On top of that Dick has a lot to say about life, but not in a know-it-all way. He's not looking for the meaning of life or anything so grand, but he's come to his own humble conclusions and it's wonderful to listen to him talk about them as you watch him build his cabin.

Anyways, it's worth seeking out the full doc.

I second matt's choice: Cesar's Bark Canoe (Bernard Gosselin, 1971). Watched it not long ago after he mentioned it elsewhere. I enjoy it for similar reasons.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 10, 2010, 05:48:32 PM
I have fond memories of all these NFB films
How about Memorandum (http://www.nfb.ca/film/Memorandum/)?
I don't think I've seen that one. I'll try to catch it soon.

Maybe my #1...
Alone in the Wilderness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss#)
I remember that from when I was a kid, it was hypnotic watching him work.

I second matt's choice: Cesar's Bark Canoe (Bernard Gosselin, 1971). Watched it not long ago after he mentioned it elsewhere. I enjoy it for similar reasons.
Nice.

Matt giving the NFB some love.
Forgot to include The New Mayor (1980) and The Old Believers (1988).
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: zarodinu on November 10, 2010, 06:19:23 PM
Mr. Death by Errol Morris is probably my favorite or second favorite doc of all time.  Wish more people saw it. 

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Qa-wn60e4es/TD9O3l9xKXI/AAAAAAAAA7c/Ys9peXuGzMk/s1600/mr-death.jpg)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: smirnoff on November 10, 2010, 06:21:08 PM
It's been sitting in my queue for a while. Maybe they'll send it to me before this is due.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: zarodinu on November 10, 2010, 06:22:07 PM
It's been sitting in my queue for a while. Maybe they'll send it to me before this is due.

Put it on top, its awesome.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: smirnoff on November 10, 2010, 06:27:54 PM
It's been sitting in my queue for a while. Maybe they'll send it to me before this is due.

Put it on top, its awesome.

Done.

I really liked the First Person series Morris did, though I don't suppose that's really eligible here...
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 10, 2010, 08:28:12 PM
It's been sitting in my queue for a while. Maybe they'll send it to me before this is due.

Put it on top, its awesome.

Done.

I really liked the First Person series Morris did, though I don't suppose that's really eligible here...

My inclination is not as a series. I'm not sure what its structure is like but I picked a Frontline episode (because they largely do function as independent docs and are available on Netflix as such) so if First Person has similarly distinct episodes they could probably be nominated individually.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: smirnoff on November 10, 2010, 08:35:34 PM
It's been sitting in my queue for a while. Maybe they'll send it to me before this is due.

Put it on top, its awesome.

Done.

I really liked the First Person series Morris did, though I don't suppose that's really eligible here...

My inclination is not as a series. I'm not sure what its structure is like but I picked a Frontline episode (because they largely do function as independent docs and are available on Netflix as such) so if First Person has similarly distinct episodes they could probably be nominated individually.

Hmm, dunno which one I'd chose. They are only 15 minutes or so a piece iirc. Whatevs.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Adrienne on November 11, 2010, 08:24:59 AM
Maybe my #1...
Alone in the Wilderness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss#)
That was beeyootiful. Only thing that could spoil it is the fact someone else was there, some of the time!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: THATguy on November 11, 2010, 11:00:29 AM
Between the Filmspots, Directors, Performances, and everything else, shouldn't this be pushed into '11?  If I happen to watch a documentary in the next month, it's almost assuredly going to be for Filmspot reasons only.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 11, 2010, 12:08:19 PM
I just want to emphasize this again for clarity. The submission of the ballot is merely provisional. It doesn't determine the rankings. People submitting their list just helps establish a baseline of films. I think people are taking this first part way too seriously and thus feeling overly intimidated by it. My goal is to get the set of 150 (or so) films nailed down and then give people multiple months to catch up on some of them in advance of the more important rating phase once these other lists and the filmspots have been sorted. So just rank some of the documentaries you've seen and loved and don't worry about catching up with those you haven't seen yet for the time being.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: pixote on November 11, 2010, 12:47:08 PM
I just want to emphasize this again for clarity. The submission of the ballot is merely provisional. It doesn't determine the rankings. People submitting their list just helps establish a baseline of films. I think people are taking this first part way too seriously and thus feeling overly intimidated by it. My goal is to get the set of 150 (or so) films nailed down and then give people multiple months to catch up on some of them in advance of the more important rating phase once these other lists and the filmspots have been sorted. So just rank some of the documentaries you've seen and loved and don't worry about catching up with those you haven't seen yet for the time being.

You should probably emphasize this more in the first post of this thread.  :)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 11, 2010, 12:55:35 PM
Better?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Adrienne on November 11, 2010, 12:58:33 PM
'scuse me!
Where's Night Mail? It's an absolute classic, with the poetry of Auden and Betjeman to boot!
Is it because we is British?  :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: THATguy on November 11, 2010, 01:48:29 PM
Taxi to the Dark Side and One Day in September should absolutely be on the main list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 11, 2010, 03:26:46 PM
Some good ones not yet on the big board. I'd give all of these at least a 7. That's the standard, right?

24 City (Jia Zhangke, 2008)
A Day in the Death of Donny B (Carl Fick, 1969)
Anvil! The Story of Anvil (Sacha Gervasi, 2008)
Baseball (Ken Burns, 1994)
Children Underground (Edet Belzberg, 2001)
Cocksucker Blues (Robert Frank, 1972)
Frontline: The Age of AIDS (Greg Barker William Cran, 2006)
Frontline: Failure to Protect (Barak Goodman, 2003)
Frontline: The New Asylums (Miri Navasky Karen O'Connor, 2005)
High School (Frederick Wiseman, 1968)
Housing Problems (1935)
Let It Be (Michael Lindsay-Hogg, 1970)
Living on the River Agano (Sato Makoto, 1992)
Metallica: Some Kind of Monster (Joe Berlinger and Bruce Sinofsky, 2004)
A Perfect Candidate (R.J. Cutler and David Van Taylor, 1996)
Primary (Robert Drew, 1960)
Public Housing (Frederick Wiseman, 1997)
Roger & Me (Michael Moore, 1989)
Stop Making Sense (Jonathan Demme, 1984)
The Decline of Western Civilization (Penelope Spheeris, 1981)
The House Is Black (Forough Farrokhzad, 1962)
The Last Waltz (Martin Scorsese, 1978)
The New Mayor (Derek Mazur, Ian Elkin, and Bob Lower, 1980)
The Old Believers (John Paskievich, 1988)
The Pinochet Case (Patricio Guzmán, 2002)
The War Room  (Chris Hegedus and D.A. Pennebaker, 1993)
Up the Yangtze (Yung Chang, 2007)
Waltz with Bashir (Ari Folman, 2008)
Wattstax (Mel Stuart, 1973)
Woodstock (Michael Wadleigh, 1970)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 11, 2010, 03:40:13 PM
Stop Making Sense (Jonathan Demme, 1984)

I know that defining "documentary" is a tricky business, but I have reservations about this.  I'm not sure exactly what line to draw here without excluding things that do fit into the documentary genre IMO (Baraka, The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes, Woodstock) but it just doesn't seem right to have a purely performance-based film in this thing.

And don't get me wrong... I love Stop Making Sense.  It'd probably be my #1 if I thought it fit.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 11, 2010, 03:48:13 PM
That did occur to me, not yet sure how I feel about it. I'm inclined to consider concert films as a type of documentary, but I'm interested to hear what others think.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 11, 2010, 04:24:20 PM
I can't think of a pure concert film that I'd rate highly as a film (as opposed to just liking their music). My standard would be its success in delivering something I wouldn't get from just going to a concert, whether it is backstage, interviews or just close-ups that give me a better indication of the artist as performer. That said, I have no strong objection.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 11, 2010, 04:33:16 PM
but it just doesn't seem right to have a purely performance-based film in this thing.
How come? I'm not trying to be a pain or anything, I was just wondering if you could articulate your reservations. Would The Last Waltz, which does have short interview clips, qualify based on your definition?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on November 11, 2010, 04:40:44 PM
It's funny that I think of music concert films as docs but never thought of standup comedy ones like Eddie Murphy's Delirious as such.  So can we include standup comedy films?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on November 11, 2010, 04:44:57 PM
but it just doesn't seem right to have a purely performance-based film in this thing.
How come? I'm not trying to be a pain or anything, I was just wondering if you could articulate your reservations. Would The Last Waltz, which does have short interview clips, quality based on your definition?

I dunno, I haven't seen Last Waltz.  But like I said, it's tricky.  I'm worried about opening a huge can of worms regarding the definition of documentary.  I guess I could say a documentary should impart some kind of information, but someone could respond with "Stop Making Sense tells you what a Talking Heads concert is like".  It does document an event (actually two or three, because it wasn't all from one show) so I dunno.  Then we get into stuff like "What about Eddie Murphy: Raw?" (Ver Schmer made his post as I was typing this)

I didn't realize before how strict I can be about genre boundaries, but between this and the Noir-vember thread, I guess I'm kind of a tight-ass about it.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 11, 2010, 05:10:59 PM
Of course if I were playing dictator, I'd rule out stuff like 24 City and Waltz With Bashir because I personally don't consider them documentaries. As is, I've just drawn the line at youtube videos.

To illustrate my personal line on the stand-up/concert aspect, I have Believe: The Eddie Izzard Story on my list because it very much is a document of his life (with scenes from stand-up) but I don't have Eddie Izzard: Circle or The Definite Article because I feel the video capture doesn't really add anything beyond what I'd experience sitting in the crowd. At the end of the day, even if we could agree on a precise definition, I haven't seen a majority of the films being nominated so I wouldn't be able to make a ruling on it so I'm trusting people to be reasonable, which may include concert videos but doesn't include obvious narrative film.

On Stop Making Sense, I'd say if you don't think it is a doc, don't put it on your list. If it doesn't make it you can figure it is because it isn't a doc. If it does make the cut then you can rate it highly and hope for its high placement on the list because like you said, if you were counting it, it would rate highly. That's another benefit of the two-tier system, we dispense with all the "is it or isn't it" talk after the first round and don't punish films in the second round for being on the borderline.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: 'Noke on November 11, 2010, 06:33:30 PM
'scuse me!
Where's Night Mail? It's an absolute classic, with the poetry of Auden and Betjeman to boot!
Is it because we is British?  :)

Yes. Yes it is.

(Hi Mosca, I'm Irish.)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on November 11, 2010, 06:57:38 PM
On Stop Making Sense, I'd say if you don't think it is a doc, don't put it on your list.
That's probably the best way to handle it, leave it to the individual.

To illustrate my personal line on the stand-up/concert aspect, I have Believe: The Eddie Izzard Story on my list because it very much is a document of his life (with scenes from stand-up) but I don't have Eddie Izzard: Circle or The Definite Article because I feel the video capture doesn't really add anything beyond what I'd experience sitting in the crowd.
Hmm, I haven't seen either of those Eddie Izzard films, but I do know that Richard Pryor Live on the Sunset Strip is shot and assembled in such a way that it creates something separate from the live experience despite only being a concert film; that in conjunction with the performer, the filmmaker has created something that is possibly similar to attending the event (I can't say, I wasn't there), but is nevertheless a distinct document. Or let's look at it another way, if the filmmaker has in fact captured what it was like to be there (the atmosphere, the energy, the excitement...etc.) that is also documentary filmmaking. Including "bio-docs", but not "event-docs" seems too narrow to me.

I dunno, I haven't seen Last Waltz.  But like I said, it's tricky.  I'm worried about opening a huge can of worms regarding the definition of documentary.  I guess I could say a documentary should impart some kind of information, but someone could respond with "Stop Making Sense tells you what a Talking Heads concert is like".  It does document an event (actually two or three, because it wasn't all from one show) so I dunno.  Then we get into stuff like "What about Eddie Murphy: Raw?" (Ver Schmer made his post as I was typing this)
I guess I'm not certain what that can of worms is, particularly in this case. For me Stop Making Sense is an artful treatment of an actual event, a rock concert, and that's enough for me. If somebody wanted to put Raw on their list, I don't see how that's a problem either.

I didn't realize before how strict I can be about genre boundaries, but between this and the Noir-vember thread, I guess I'm kind of a tight-ass about it.
I can relate. For the Best of the Decade lists (were you around for that?), I abstained from putting My Winnipeg on my documentary list, but did put it on my best films list. All of the arguments for its inclusion now have me questioning that decision and make me wonder if I was just too close to the subject matter. I may have to revisit it and my thoughts on how it relates to documentary, but for now I'm leaving it off any doc lists I might make.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Adrienne on November 12, 2010, 08:44:03 AM
'scuse me!
Where's Night Mail? It's an absolute classic, with the poetry of Auden and Betjeman to boot!
Is it because we is British?  :)
Yes. Yes it is.
(Hi Mosca, I'm Irish.)
Celtic's good  :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Senor Javi on November 23, 2010, 11:17:12 AM
Here's what I've got:

1. Hoop Dreams
2. Gates of Heaven
3. Night and Fog
4. Capturing the Friedmans
5. Little Dieter Needs to Fly
6. Young@Heart
7. Bigger, Stronger, Faster
8. The Cats of Mirikitani
9. Jesus Camp
10. The King of Kong
11. Religulous
12. Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial
13. American Movie
14. The Fog of War
15. Dear Zachary
16. The Fall of Fujimori
17. Grizzly Man
18. Man on Wire
19. The Thin Blue Line
20. My Kid Could Paint That
21. Twist of Faith
22. No End in Sight
23. An Inconvenient Truth
24. Spellbound
25. Salesman
26. F for Fake
27. Anvil!: The Story of Anvil
28. Roman Polanksi: Wanted and Desired
29. I.O.U.S.A.
30. Street Fight
31. American Teen
32. For All Mankind
33. General Idi Amin Dada
34. Standard Operating Procedure
35. Harlan County U.S.A.
36. Super Size Me
37. Hell House
38. Taxi to the Darkside
39. This Film Is Not Yet Rated
40. Wordplay
41. The Aristocrats
42. Who Killed the Electric Car?
43. Lost in La Mancha
44. Encounters at the End of the World
45. Michael Moore Hates America
46. Comedian
47. Beyond the Mat
48. Murderball
49. Fall from Grace
50. March of the Penguins
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on November 23, 2010, 10:07:33 PM
Dogtown and the Z boys
Surfwise
Riding Giants
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: FarfetchFilm on December 16, 2010, 09:12:25 PM
1.     Man with a Movie Camera
2.     My Winnipeg
3.     Exit Through the Gift Shop
4.     F for Fake
5.     Looking for Richard
6.     Tongues Untied
7.     Koyannqatsi
8.     Not Quite Hollywood
9.     The Land of Silence & Darkness
10.     Forgotten Silver
11.     American Movie
12.     Rembrandt's J'Accuse
13.     The King of Kong
14.     Prince's Sign of the Times
15.     Crumb
16.     Garbo: The Spy
17.     Waltz with Bashir
18.     Cinemania
19.     The Devil & Daniel Johnston
20.     Jodorowsky Constellation
21.     Man on Wire
22.     Cooking History
23.     Grizzly Man
24.     Gimme Shelter
25.     Wild Blue Yonder


MY TOP 25 which I have on my desktop. will put Exit Through The Gift Shop in there, though it will move to my fiction-list from now, would be funny it it wins FS list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on December 16, 2010, 09:16:56 PM
Cool list, CallumDarcy.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ProperCharlie on December 21, 2010, 10:20:13 AM
Let's have a go at this:

1.    In the Shadow of the Moon
2.    The Elephant Will Never Forget
3.    Night Mail
4.    Koyaanisqatsi
5.    They Took Us to the Sea
6.    Der Lauf der Dinge (The Way Things Go)
7.    Anvil! The Story of Anvil
8.    Capturing the Friedmans
9.    Tarnation
10.   Buena Vista Social Club
11.   Sympathy for the Devil
12.   Nanook of the North
13.   Man on Wire
14.   Our School
15.   Spellbound
16.   Bowling for Columbine
17.   Dogtown and the Z Boys
18.   The Filth and the Fury
19.   Super Size Me
20.   The Kid Stays in the Picture

I need to watch more Errol Morris
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on December 26, 2010, 11:40:38 PM
Reminder Those who want to have a hand in crafting the shortlist of films in consideration for our first Top 100 Documentaries list should send me a list by the end of the month (or at least let me know you intend to send a list, I can probably allow an extra week). You'll get a chance to participate in the final ranking in April either way, but this is your chance to make sure your favorites are in contention. Below are the relevant rules:

2. By December 31st, submit your ballot by PM (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1229) to me. Ballots can contain up to 100 films, ranked. As the ballots don't determine final ranking, don't feel like they have to be comprehensive, just use it as an opportunity to promote some of the docs you've seen that you love.
3. Based on the ballots submitted, I will determine an unranked "shortlist" of 150 films (or so) (20 for #1, 15 points for ranking 2-5, 12 for 6-10, 10 for 11-15, 8 for 16-20, 6 for 21-25, 5 for 26-30, 4 for 31-40, 3 for 41-60, 2 for 61-80 and 1 for 81-100).

P.S. So far I have official ballots from MartinTeller, Senior Javi and ProperCharlie.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ¡Keith! on December 28, 2010, 12:43:03 AM
Still need to rank but my list of films looks like:

American Movie
American Teen
An Inconvenient Truth
Anvil! The Story of Anvil
Art & Copy
Baadaasss
Better Living Through Circuitry
Bigger, Stronger, Faster*
Bowling for Columbine
Capitalism: A Love Story
Capturing the Friedmans
Comedian
Controll Room
Crumb
Dark Days
Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father
Encounters at the End of the World
Exit Through the Gift Shop
Fahrenheit 9/11
Fog of War
Food Inc.
CINECAST!
Garbo: The Spy
Gimme Shelter
Grizzly Man
Hearts and Minds
Hoop Dreams
Jesus Camp
Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work
Lost in La Mancha
Machete Maidens Unleashed!
Man of Aran
Man On Wire
Man With a Movie Camera
Milk In the Land, Ballad of an American Drink
Murderball
My Enemy’s Enemy
My Winnipeg
Nanook of the North
No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson
No End In Sight
Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!
Of Time and the City
Outrage
Paper Heart
Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills
Religulous
Restrepo
Rize
Roger & Me
Roman Polanksi: Wanted and Desired
Scratch
Shut Up and Sing
Sicko
Spellbound
Standard Operating Procedure
Super Size Me
The 11th Hour
The Aristocrats
The Art of the Steal
The Clash: Westway to the World
The Corporation
The Cove
The Five Obstructions
The Kid Stays in the Picture
The King of Kong
The Miscreants of Taliwood
The Red Chapel
The Road to Guantanamo
The Trials of Henry Kissinger
The Weather Underground
This Film Is Not Yet Rated
Thrilla In Manila
Touching the Void
Trekkies
Tyson
Visual Acoustics
Waltz With Bashir
War Dance
What the Bleep Do We Know?
Who Killed the Electric Car?
Why We Fight
Wordplay
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ¡Keith! on December 28, 2010, 12:47:00 AM
question: What's the stance on Jackass(es), Sacha Baron Cohen, Concert & Comedy Concert releases?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on December 28, 2010, 09:10:10 AM
Well, I'm gonna trust IMDB which includes Jackass as a doc but not Borat...and I think imdb plot keywords is perhaps a reasonable place to check. If they consider it a "Documentary" (as opposed to "Documentary Filmmaking" or "Fake Documentary" etc) then it will count. I don't really have time to check this eligibility for all the films until the shortlist comes about.

As to concert films, I think technically they'd count but at least personally I'd only include something that has significant interview/backstage footage or somehow an enhanced experience over if you saw the show live.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ¡Keith! on December 28, 2010, 12:31:34 PM
yeah, I have the same thought on the concert thing.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on December 30, 2010, 01:31:42 PM
Okay, the first post should be updated with all mentioned documentaries. Right now by my count it is 311 docs which we will be cutting down by a little more than half to create the shortlist.

@Keith: Paper Heart isn't considered a doc by imdb and I'm inclined to agree.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on December 30, 2010, 03:26:42 PM
Bondo this system looks complicated... I have no idea what we're supposed to be doing.
Why can't we just submit ranked lists like all the other top lists?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on December 30, 2010, 04:02:01 PM
Bondo this system looks complicated... I have no idea what we're supposed to be doing.
Why can't we just submit ranked lists like all the other top lists?

Submitting a ranked list is exactly what you are doing right now. Just create a list (anywhere from one to one hundred docs) and send it to me.

As to why we have a second step. Pix and I have been wanting to test out this system under the theory that you get a more accurate ranking of the forum's favorite films as a whole if you give people a say on the ranking of every film on the list that they've seen and not just the ones they happen to include on their ballot. Thus we use the ballot system to qualify the films and a rating system to rank them. Worst case we still have a top 100 based on ballots (though I won't reveal that ranking until the second phase is done).

As a second point, some people find the process of putting together ballots very intimidating so they might not participate in this part. But maybe that same person would not be as intimidated at the prospect of simply assigning a rating to the films they've seen from a fixed list. So hopefully that will promote participation.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on December 30, 2010, 04:21:04 PM
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on December 31, 2010, 05:22:16 PM
The ballot I'll be turning in:

1. Welfare (Frederick Wiseman)
2. Hold Me Tight, Let Me Go (Kim Longinotto)
3. Night and Fog (Alain Resnais)
4. Memorandum (John Spotton & Donald Brittain)
5. Eyes on the Prize (Henry Hampton and Various)
6. Domestic Violence (Frederick Wiseman)
7. Middletown (Peter Davis and Various)
8. A Married Couple (Allan King)
9. Warrendale (Allan King)
10. Gimme Shelter (Albert and David Maysles, Charlotte Zwerin)
11. Titicut Follies (Frederick Wiseman)
12. The Up Series (Michael Apted, Paul Almond)
13. Divorce Iranian Style (Kim Longinotto)
14. Streetwise (Martin Bell)
15. First Contact (Robin Anderson and Bob Connolly)
16. Harlan County U.S.A. (Barbara Kopple)
17. Hearts and Minds (Peter Davis)
18. The Thin Blue Line (Errol Morris)
19. Amsterdam Global Village (Johan van der Keuken)
20. The Long Holiday (Johan van der Keuken)
21. Primary (Robert Drew)
22. Near Death (Frederick Wiseman)
23. Hospital (Frederick Wiseman)
24. West of the Tracks (Wang Bing)
25. Up the Yangtze (Yung Chang)
26. Don't Look Back (D.A. Pennebaker)
27. Gaea Girls (Kim Longinotto)
28. The Battle of Chile (Patricio Guzman)
29. A Grin Without a Cat (Chris Marker)
30. Shoah (Claude Lanzmann)
31. Hoop Dreams (Steve James)
32. Muhammad Ali: The Greatest (William Klein)
33. Crisis: Behind a Presidential Commitment (Robert Drew)
34. High School (Frederick Wiseman)
35. Grizzly Man (Werner Herzog)
36. Salesman (Albert and David Maysles; Charlotte Zwerin)
37. Two Laws (Alessandro Cavadini, Carolyn Strachan)
38. Grey Gardens (Albert Maysles, et al)
39. Law and Order (Frederick Wiseman)
40. Runaway (director: Kim Longinotto, 2001)
41. Public Housing (Frederick Wiseman)
42. My Brother's Keeper (Joe Berlinger, Bruce Sinofsky)
43. Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills (Joe Berlinger, Bruce Sinofsky)
44. Workingman's Death (Michael Glawogger)
45. Mystery of Picasso (H.G. Clouzot)
46. Man of Aran (Robert Flaherty)
47. Nanook of the North (Robert Flaherty)
48. Dying at Grace (Allan King)
49. Memory for Max, Claire, Ida and Company (Allan King)
50. Shinjuku Boys (Kim Longinotto)
51. The House is Black (Forough Farrokhzad)
52. Black Harvest (Robin Anderson, Bob Connolly)
53. Fast, Cheap & Out of Control (Errol Morris)
54. Crumb (Terry Zwigoff)
55. Joe Leahy's Neighbors (Bob Connolly)
56. Bus 174 (Jose Padilha, Felipe Lacerda)
57. The Times of Harvey Milk (Rob Epstein)
58. The Gleaners & I (Agnes Varda)
59. Forever (director: Heddy Honigmann, 2006)
60. Portrait of Jason (Shirley Clarke)
61. No Direction Home: Bob Dylan (Martin Scorsese)
62. Tokyo Olympiad (Kon Ichikawa)
63. When We Were Kings (Leon Gast)
64. When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts (Spke Lee)
65. a.k.a. Don Bonus (Spencer Nakasako, Sokly Ny)
66. American Movie (Chris Smith)
67. Overnight (Tony Montana, Mark Brian Smith)
68. My Kid Could Paint That (Amire Bar-Lev)
69. Lake of Fire (Tony Kaye)
70. State Legislature (Frederick Wiseman)
71. The Case of the Grinning Cat (Chris Marker)
72. The Beaches of Agnes (Agnes Varda)
73. Bright Leaves (Ross McElwee)
74. Daguerréotypes (Agnes Varda)
75. In the Realms of the Unreal (Jessica Yu)
76. Jupiter's Wife (Michel Negroponte)
77. Monterey Pop (D.A. Pennebaker)
78. Stop Making Sense (Jonathan Demme)
79. The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On (Kazuo Hara)
80. Jonestown: The Life and Death of Peoples Temple (Stanley Nelson)
81. The Camden 28 (Anthony Giacchino)
82. 51 Birch Street (Doug Block)
83. Street Fight (Marshall Curry)
84. Paris is Burning (Jennie Livingston)
85. No End in Sight (Charles Ferguson)
86. Helvetica (Gary Hustwit)
87. Style Wars (Henry Chalfant, Tony Silver)
88. Anvil! The Story of Anvil (Sacha Gervasi)
89. Scratch (Doug Pray)
90. The Comedian (Christian Charles)
91. First Love (Krzysztof Kieslowski)
92. Children Underground (Edet Belzberg)
93. Etre et avoir (Nicolas Philibert)
94. The Architecture of Doom (Peter Cohen)
95. The Power of Nightmares (Adam Curtis)
96. From the East (Chantal Akerman)
97. Tokyo-Ga (Wim Wenders)
98. Baraka (Ron Fricke)
99. Les Maitres Fous (Jean Rouch)
100. Forest of Bliss (Robert Gardner)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: roujin on December 31, 2010, 05:26:28 PM
I'm gonna make sure to only watch documentaries from this list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ¡Keith! on December 31, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
eager to see more but my list for now:

1   Capturing the Friedmans
2   Gimme Shelter
3   Waltz With Bashir
4   Hoop Dreams
5   The King of Kong
6   Roger & Me
7   Man of Aran
8   Man On Wire
9   Grizzly Man
10   Exit Through the Gift Shop
11   Dark Days
12   Bowling for Columbine
13   American Movie
14   Fog of War
15   Crumb
16   Of Time and the City
17   Wordplay
18   Touching the Void
19   This Film Is Not Yet Rated
20   The Kid Stays in the Picture
21   The Five Obstructions
22   Super Size Me
23   Restrepo
24   The Aristocrats
25   Man With a Movie Camera
26   My Winnipeg
27   Jesus Camp
28   No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson
29   Nanook of the North
30   The Red Chapel
31   The Cove
32   Standard Operating Procedure
33   Spellbound
34   Encounters at the End of the World
35   Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!
36   American Teen
37   An Inconvenient Truth
38   Bigger, Stronger, Faster*
39   Controll Room
40   Sicko
41   Rize
42   Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills
43   Murderball
44   Tyson
45   Scratch
46   Jackass
47   The Weather Underground
48   The Trials of Henry Kissinger
49   The Miscreants of Taliwood
50   The Corporation
51   The Clash: Westway to the World
52   Roman Polanksi: Wanted and Desired
53   Religulous
54   Milk In the Land, Ballad of an American Drink
55   My Enemy’s Enemy
56   Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work
57   Trekkies
58   Shut Up and Sing
59   Lost in La Mancha
60   Hearts and Minds
61   Food Inc.
62   Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father
63   Comedian
64   Baadaasss
65   Anvil! The Story of Anvil
66   Visual Acoustics
67   Who Killed the Electric Car?
68   Thrilla In Manila
69   No End In Sight
70   CINECAST!
71   Art & Copy
72   Jackass 2
73   Garbo: The Spy
74   The Art of the Steal
75   What the Bleep Do We Know?
76   The Road to Guantanamo
77   Why We Fight
78   War Dance
79   Machete Maidens Unleashed!
80   Capitalism: A Love Story
81   Outrage
82   The 11th Hour
83   Better Living Through Circuitry
84   Fahrenheit 9/11
85   At the Death House Door
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on December 31, 2010, 06:24:51 PM
P.S. So far I have official ballots from MartinTeller, Senior Javi and ProperCharlie.

michaelx, Ver Schmer, Keith and myself have now submitted ballots as well. We are over 350 docs now (though not all have votes yet as some were just FYC).

For those still wanting to participate, you have through early next week to get them in. If you have a ranked list posted in the thread and I don't hear from you, I'll use it.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on January 01, 2011, 12:59:25 AM
P.S. So far I have official ballots from MartinTeller, Senior Javi and ProperCharlie.

michaelx, Ver Schmer, Keith and myself have now submitted ballots as well. We are over 350 docs now (though not all have votes yet as some were just FYC).

For those still wanting to participate, you have through early next week to get them in. If you have a ranked list posted in the thread and I don't hear from you, I'll use it.

Good to know. I wanna get one in.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: FifthCityMuse on January 01, 2011, 05:04:41 PM
All these people who have seen Near Death are making me very jealous.

Is Brakhage's The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes eligible?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on January 01, 2011, 05:12:10 PM
Is Brakhage's The Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes eligible?

Yes, documentary shorts are eligible.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Verite on January 01, 2011, 05:26:25 PM
Insane list, Schmer. So good it has inspired me - against my better judgement, or laziness - to quickly compose my own.

We share 6 titles within our respective top 25s.  Cool.  That's quite a list you put together in a short amount of time.  In total, we have 17 titles on both our lists.  The most overlap out of any of the collective lists, speaking off the top of my head.

Power of Nightmares is way too low, though.  :(

Probably.  skjerva's review made me keep it off and has me wanting to watch it with his criticisms in mind.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: smirnoff on January 02, 2011, 02:17:30 AM
                 Tier 1               
1. Fog of War, The
2. Alone in the Wilderness
3. Deep Water
4. Endless Summer 2
5. Koyannqatsi
6. Touching the Void
7. Baraka
8. Winged Migration
                 Tier 2               
9. Hoop Dreams
10. Kid Stays In The Picture, The
11. Murder on a Sunday Morning
12. Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
13. My Kid Could Paint That
14. Exit Through The Gift Shop
                 Tier 3               
15. On Any Sunday
16. Man on Wire
17. Religulous
18. King of Kong, The
19. Cove, The
20. Jesus Camp
21. Jonestown
22. Cry of the Wild
23. Bowling For Columbine
24. Capitalism: A Love Story
25. Corporation, The
26. Dear Zachary
27. Fahrenheit 9/11
28. Food, Inc.
29. Grizzly Man
30. Jackass
31. Jackass 2
32. Looking For Richard
33. No Direction Home
34. No End in Sight
35. Outfoxed
36. Sicko
37. Up the Yangtze
38. Who Killed the Electric Car?
39. Yes Men
40. Young@Heart
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Beavermoose on January 02, 2011, 03:37:25 AM
1. Man on Wire
2. Baraka
3. My Winnipeg
4. The King of Kong
5. The Gleaners and I
6. Dark Days
7. Touching the Void
8. Riding Giants               
9. Grizzly Man
10. Hoop Dreams
11. American Movie
12. The Aristocrats
13. Bowling for Columbine
14. Bigger, Stronger, Faster*               
15. Anvil: The Story of Anvil
16. The Thin Blue Line
17. Crumb
18. The Devil and Daniel Johnston
19. Dogtown and the Z-Boys
20. Ryan
21. Supermen of Malegaon
22. Images d'Ostende
23. Pumping Iron
24. Gonzo Life and Times
25. Cree Hunters of Mistassini
26. The Yes Men Fix the World
27. Super Size Me
28. Lonely Boy
29. Nanook of the North
30. Encounters at the End of he World
31. Religulous
32. Shipyard (1935)
33. Food Inc.
34. Exit Through the Gift Shop
35. Spellbound
36. Murderball
37. My Kid Could Paint That
38. VTR St-Jacques
39. Paper Heart
40. Mr. Death
 
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ¡Keith! on January 02, 2011, 11:21:29 AM
huh, didn't realize shorts were in.  might change my list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on January 02, 2011, 11:55:03 AM
For the record, I established that shorts were eligible back in November. If you do send a revised list, if you can try to annotate which films shift to new ranges (1, 2-5, 6-10, 11-15, 16-20, 21-25, 26-30, 31-40, 41-60, 61-80, 81-100), that would be very helpful in allowing me to make the changes. Ranking changes within each range are irrelevant for my purposes.

Shorts are cool, right?

Works for me.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on January 05, 2011, 04:26:04 PM
I'm planning on announcing the shortlist on Saturday night so if there are any stragglers, get your lists in to me.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: pixote on January 06, 2011, 02:22:06 AM
huh, didn't realize shorts were in.  might change my list.

Perversion for Profit!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on January 06, 2011, 02:25:14 AM
I'm planning on announcing the shortlist on Saturday night so if there are any stragglers, get your lists in to me.
Tomorrow for sure. But probably Friday.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ses on January 06, 2011, 07:25:22 AM
I'm planning on announcing the shortlist on Saturday night so if there are any stragglers, get your lists in to me.

I will probably sumbit one Friday, hope that's okay, today is a bit hectic for me.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on January 06, 2011, 08:46:39 AM
Yeah, what I meant to imply is that since I was planning on announcing them on Saturday night, the deadline is Saturday evening...there's no special production around this reveal. :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: oldkid on January 06, 2011, 11:29:43 PM
I'm not adding anything, here, but this is my list:


First Tier
1.   Dear Zachary
2.   Waltz With Bashir
3.   Fog of War
4.   Exit Through The Gift Shop
5.   Some Kind of Monster
6.   F for Fake
7.   Man on Wire

Second Tier
8.   Sicko
9.   My Kid Could Paint That
10.   Grizzly Man
11.   Bowling for Columbine
12.   Super Size Me
13.   24 City
14.   Roger and Me
15.   Deliver Me From Evil
16.   Murderball

Third Tier
17.   The Corporation
18.   Food, Inc.
19.   Lost In La Mancha
20.   No End In Sight
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: mañana on January 08, 2011, 11:50:21 AM
Let's go with this.

1. Hoop Dreams (Steve James, 1994)
2. Gimme Shelter (The Maysles and Charlotte Zwerin, 1970)
3. Welfare (Frederick Wiseman, 1975)
4. Ted Baryluk's Grocery (John Paskievick & Mike Mirus, 1982)
5. Dont Look Back (D. A. Pennebaker, 1967)
6. Paul Tomkowicz: Street-railway Switchman (Roman Kroitor, 1953)
7. Children Underground (Edet Belzberg, 2001)
8. Up Series (Paul Almond and Michael Apted)
9. Roger & Me (Michael Moore, 1989)
10. Stop Making Sense (Jonathan Demme, 1984)
11. Harlan County U.S.A (Barbara Kopple, 1976)
12. Public Housing (Frederick Wiseman, 1997)
13. César's Bark Canoe (Bernard Gosselin, 1971)
14. Hearts and Minds (Peter Davis, 1974)
15. The House Is Black (Forough Farrokhzad, 1962)
16. Woodstock (Michael Wadleigh, 1970)
17. You Are on Indian Land (Mort Ransen, 1969)
18. High School (Frederick Wiseman, 1968)
19. Baseball: A Film by Ken Burns (1994)
20. The Pinochet Case (Patricio Guzmán, 2002)
21. Primary (Robert Drew, 1960)
22. Salesman (The Maysles and Charlotte Zwerin, 1969)
23. Streetwise (Martin Bell, 1984)
24. Capturing the Friedmans (Andrew Jarecki, 2003)
25. American Movie (Chris Smith, 1999)
26. La Lutte/Wrestling  (Michel Brault, Marcel Carrière, Claude Fournier and Claude Jutra, 1961)
27. Mad Hot Ballroom (Marilyn Agrelo, 2005)
28. Metallica: Some Kind of Monster (Joe Berlinger and Bruce Sinofsky, 2004)
29. Pour la Suite du Monde (Michel Brault and Pierre Perrault, 1963)
30. The New Mayor (Derek Mazur, Ian Elkin, and Bob Lower, 1980)
31. No Direction Home (Martin Scorsese, 2005)
32. Crisis: Behind a Presidential Commitment (Robert Drew, 1963)
33. Golden Gloves (Gilles Groulx, 1961)
34. Grey Gardens (The Maysles, 1976)
35. Grizzly Man (Werner Herzog, 2005)
36. The Things I Cannot Change (Tanya Ballantyne, 1967)
37. Night And Fog (Alain Resnais, 1955)
38. Paradise Lost (Joe Berlinger and Bruce Sinofsky, 1996)
39. Les Raquetteurs/The Snowshoers (Michel Brault and Gilles Groulx, 1958)
40. Lonely Boy (Wolf Koenig and Roman Kroitor, 1962)
41. Fog of War (Errol Morris, 2003)
42. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Leonard Cohen (Donald Brittain and Don Owen, 1965)
43. The Decline of Western Civilization (Penelope Spheeris, 1981)
44. Anvil! The Story of Anvil (Sacha Gervasi, 2008)
45. Los Angeles Plays Itself (Thom Andersen, 2003)
46. Lake of Fire (Tony Kaye, 2006)
47. Billy Crane Moves Away (Colin Low, 1967)
48. Housing Problems (1935)
49. The Times of Harvey Milk (Rob Epstein, 1984)
50. Frontline: Failure to Protect (Barak Goodman, 2003)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: Bondo on January 08, 2011, 12:09:57 PM
Speak now or forever hold your peace.

I've got ballots from...if you think you should be on this list, let me know:
Emiliana
matt tmw
oldkid
Beavermoose
Smirnoff
FarFetchFilm
flieger
Keith
MartinTeller
ProperCharlie
Senior Javi
Michael X
Ver Schmer
Bondo
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: ¡Keith! on January 10, 2011, 02:16:11 AM
Updates in bold:

1   Capturing the Friedmans
2   Gimme Shelter
3   Waltz With Bashir
4   Hoop Dreams
5   The King of Kong
6   Roger & Me
7   Man of Aran
8   Man On Wire
9   Grizzly Man
10   Exit Through the Gift Shop
11   Dark Days
12   Bowling for Columbine
13   American Movie
14   Fog of War
15   Crumb
16   Of Time and the City
17   Zapruder Film of Kennedy Assassination
18   Wordplay
19   Touching the Void
20   Ryan
21   This Film Is Not Yet Rated
22   The Kid Stays in the Picture
23   The Five Obstructions
24   Super Size Me
25   Restrepo
26   The Aristocrats
27   Man With a Movie Camera
28   My Winnipeg
29   Jesus Camp
30   No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson
31   Nanook of the North
32   The Red Chapel
33   Arrival of a Train at La Ciotat
34   The Cove
35   Standard Operating Procedure
36   Spellbound
37   Encounters at the End of the World
38   Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!
39   American Teen
40   An Inconvenient Truth
41   Bigger, Stronger, Faster*
42   Controll Room
43   Sicko
44   Rize
45   Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills
46   Murderball
47   Tyson
48   Scratch
49   Jackass
50   The Weather Underground
51   The Trials of Henry Kissinger
52   The Miscreants of Taliwood
53   The Corporation
54   The Clash: Westway to the World
55   Perversion for Profit
56   Roman Polanksi: Wanted and Desired
57   Religulous
58   Milk In the Land, Ballad of an American Drink
59   My Enemy’s Enemy
60   Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work
61   Trekkies
62   Shut Up and Sing
63   Lost in La Mancha
64   Hearts and Minds
65   Food Inc.
66   Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father
67   Comedian
68   Baadaasss
69   Anvil! The Story of Anvil
70   Visual Acoustics
71   Who Killed the Electric Car?
72   Thrilla In Manila
73   No End In Sight
74   CINECAST!
75   Art & Copy
76   Jackass 2
77   Salim Babba
78   Garbo: The Spy
79   The Art of the Steal
80   What the Bleep Do We Know?
81   The Road to Guantanamo
82   Why We Fight
83   War Dance
84   Machete Maidens Unleashed!
85   Capitalism: A Love Story
86   Outrage
87   The 11th Hour
88   Better Living Through Circuitry
89   Fahrenheit 9/11
90   At the Death House Door
91   Henri-Georges Clouzot's Inferno
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on January 10, 2011, 07:49:42 PM
Below is the 150 film shortlist in consideration for the top 100. Selection criteria was as follows. The initial cutoff was all films earning at least 10 points (everyone who sent a ballot got their top 15 docs onto the shortlist). For films scoring between 7-9 points, films receiving multiple votes were added to the shortlist but films that only had one vote (in someone's 16-20) were not. Considering everyone who participated got their top 15 in, I feel it is fair to say that anyone who did not send in a ballot can submit the name of one documentary, not presently on the shortlist, for inclusion. Thanks to everyone who participated, I think we have a really good list to work from and hopefully people will be inspired to catch up with many of them before April when I will announce the deadline for submitting a rating ballot.

The 2011 Filmspotting Top 100 Documentaries Shortlist:
24 City
Act of Seeing With One's Own Eyes, The
Alone in the Wilderness
American Movie
American Teen
Anvil! The Story of Anvil
Aristocrats, The
At the Death House Door
Bag It
Baraka
Battle of Chile, The
Bigger, Stronger, Faster
Blood of the Beasts
Bowling For Columbine
Buena Vista Social Club
Burden of Dreams
Burma VJ
Business of Being Born
Capitalism: A Love Story
Capturing the Friedmans
Cats of Mirikitani, The
Century of Self, The
Cesar's Bark Canoe
Children Underground
Cinemania
Comedian
Control Room
Corporation, The
Cove, The
Crisis: Behind a Presidential Commitment
Crumb
Daguerrotypes
Danse, La
Dark Days
Dear Zachary
Deep Water
Deliver Us From Evil
Devil and Daniel Johnston, The
Divorce Iranian Style
Dogtown and the Z Boys
Domestic Violence
Don't Look Back
Elephant Will Never Forget, The
Emperor's Naked Army Marches On, The
Encounters at the End of the World
Endless Summer 2
Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room
Exit Through The Gift Shop
Eyes on the Prize
F for Fake
Fahrenheit 9/11
Fast Cheap and Out of Control
First Contact
Fog of War, The
Food, Inc.
For All Mankind
Garbo: The Spy
Garden, The
Gates of Heaven
Gimme Shelter
Gleaners & I, The
Good Hair
Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner, The
Grey Gardens
Grizzly Man
Harlan County, U.S.A.
Hearts and Minds
Hell House
High School
Hold Me Tight, Let Me Go
Hoop Dreams
House is Black, The
In the Shadow of the Moon
Inconvenient Truth, An
Jackass
Jesus Camp
Jonestown
Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial
Kid Stays In The Picture, The
King of Kong, The
Koyannqatsi
Lake of Fire
Land of Silence and Darkness
Let's Get Lost
Little Dieter Needs to Fly
Lonely Boy
Looking For Richard
Lost in La Mancha
Mad Hot Ballroom
Man of Aran
Man on Wire
Man With a Movie Camera, The
Married Couple, A
Memorandum
Middletown
Mr. Death
Murder on a Sunday Morning
Murderball
My Kid Could Paint That
My Winnipeg
Mystery of Picasso, The
Nanook of the North
Near Death
Night and Fog
Night Mail
No Direction Home
No End in Sight
Not Quite Hollywood
On Any Sunday
Our School
Paradise Lost
Paul Tomkowicz: Street Railway Switchman
Power of Nightmares, The
Primary
Prince's Sign of the Times
Prodigal Sons
Public Housing
Religulous
Rembrandt's J'Accuse
Restrepo
Riding Giants
Roger & Me
Roman Polanksi: Wanted and Desired
Ryan
Salesman
Shoah
Sick Around The World
Sicko
Metallica: Some Kind of Monster
Soufriere, La
Spellbound
Standard Operating Procedure
State Legislature
Stop Making Sense
Street Fight
Streetwise
Super Size Me
Sympathy for the Devil
Tarnation
Ted Baryluk's Grocery
They Took Us to the Sea
Thin Blue Line, The
This Film Is Not Yet Rated
Time for Burning, A
Times of Harvey Milk, The
Titicut Follies
Tongues United
Touching the Void
Twist of Faith
Two Escobars, The
Up Series, The
Up the Yangtze
Waltz with Bashir
Warrendale
Way Things Go, The
Weather Underground, The
Welfare
Who Killed the Electric Car?
Winged Migration
Wordplay
Young@Heart
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ses on January 10, 2011, 07:56:32 PM
I would like to add At the Death House Door for my one submission to include on the list
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: FifthCityMuse on January 10, 2011, 08:44:24 PM
And I would like to add Daguerrotypes if I could.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on January 11, 2011, 02:16:42 AM
I don't see Ryan on there - I know at least two people had it at #20 so that should be 16 points right?  Also think Jackass had 7 points from 2 lists.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Beavermoose on January 11, 2011, 06:15:51 AM
I don't see Ryan on there - I know at least two people had it at #20 so that should be 16 points right?  Also think Jackass had 7 points from 2 lists.

I had it on my list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on January 11, 2011, 09:10:41 AM
Oof, I see what happened. There will be a couple more items added to the list once I get this sorted.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on January 11, 2011, 09:33:46 AM
These were the ones my goof left off. Well, just a slightly longer shortlist then. :)

Century of Self
Deep Water
Endless Summer 2
Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room
Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner, The
Jackass
On Any Sunday
Ryan
Winged Migration
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on January 11, 2011, 09:39:27 AM
That's

Endless Summer 2

just to be clear.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on January 11, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
Yes, quite right. I've only got three months to get this all right. :D
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on January 27, 2011, 11:28:11 PM
Damn it. Did I miss nominating documentaries? No Stevie, The New Americans or Golub on the list?

pixote, where was the reminder?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on January 28, 2011, 12:00:14 AM
Damn it. Did I miss nominating documentaries? No Stevie, The New Americans or Golub on the list?

pixote, where was the reminder?

Anyone who didn't send in a nominating ballot is entitled to add one documentary to the shortlist so if you want to pick one of those feel free.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on January 31, 2011, 09:49:52 PM
Let's go with The New Americans. Just because it's 7 hours long.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on February 16, 2011, 10:51:46 PM
Just to keep this in people's minds, those who did not submit a ballot or pick a film yet have the right to place one documentary onto the shortlist until the end of the month. As of March 1 the shortlist will be set in stone. My timeline is to have the rating ballot go live the middle of April and remain open for one week and then announce the results toward the end of April.

So you have until mid-April to look over the shortlist and think about any you'd like to catch up with in the interim. Films from the shortlist is going to be the Movie Dictator Club theme in March to assist in this.

Anyway, I'm really excited about this list and I think it will make a strong addition to the forum's existing pantheon.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 03, 2011, 05:10:22 PM
im only at 46 seen movies on the shortlist (more if you count the Up series as 7 movies). i need to get to work if Im going to be submitting a list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 03, 2011, 05:14:38 PM
I'm up to 83. Don't think I'll quite crack 100 by the time of voting.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 03, 2011, 05:23:26 PM
forgive me for not being able to find it, but when is voting?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 03, 2011, 06:13:55 PM
I've just been going through the short list, looking up on imdb all the docs I haven't seen, trying to prioritize my list. I came across The Century of Self and realized I've seen another doc by the same guy that I found very thought provoking and is done in much the same style called The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom. It presents a lot of provocative ideas that you may want to take with a grain of salt. Nevertheless it's a compelling watch.

I'll definitely have to make time for Century of Self.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 03, 2011, 06:21:26 PM
forgive me for not being able to find it, but when is voting?

I'll make the ballot public in early April.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on March 03, 2011, 06:48:59 PM
I'm at 82.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oldkid on March 03, 2011, 08:16:22 PM
I think I'm at 27.

I'll try to catch at least 10 before voting.

BTW, will the Up series count as one, or will each film be counted separately?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 03, 2011, 08:37:52 PM
The UP series is being considered as a single entity.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 04, 2011, 07:01:01 AM
The UP series is being considered as a single entity.

Hmm...why?

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on March 04, 2011, 08:58:53 AM
I've just been going through the short list, looking up on imdb all the docs I haven't seen, trying to prioritize my list. I came across The Century of Self and realized I've seen another doc by the same guy that I found very thought provoking and is done in much the same style called The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom. It presents a lot of provocative ideas that you may want to take with a grain of salt. Nevertheless it's a compelling watch.

I'll definitely have to make time for Century of Self.

This is Adam Curtis. His Power of Nightmares is also on the list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 04, 2011, 09:10:55 AM
I've just been going through the short list, looking up on imdb all the docs I haven't seen, trying to prioritize my list. I came across The Century of Self and realized I've seen another doc by the same guy that I found very thought provoking and is done in much the same style called The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom. It presents a lot of provocative ideas that you may want to take with a grain of salt. Nevertheless it's a compelling watch.

I'll definitely have to make time for Century of Self.

This is Adam Curtis. His Power of Nightmares is also on the list.

What's the consensus on him? Is he respected or kind of marginalized as a kook?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 04, 2011, 09:15:54 AM
The UP series is being considered as a single entity.

Hmm...why?

pixote

They're all basically the same bloody thing. Also, they were only nominated as a series (on the strength of two voters). I just figure if you consider them separately they either split their own vote and don't get nominated or hog the spots on the list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Beavermoose on March 04, 2011, 09:20:25 AM
Have seen
---
American Movie
Anvil! The Story of Anvil
Aristocrats, The
Baraka
Bigger, Stronger, Faster
Blood of the Beasts
Bowling For Columbine
Capitalism: A Love Story
Capturing the Friedmans
Corporation, The
Cove, The
Crumb
Danse, La
Dark Days
Dear Zachary
Devil and Daniel Johnston, The
Dogtown and the Z Boys
Encounters at the End of the World
Enron: The Smartest Guys In The Room
Exit Through The Gift Shop
Fahrenheit 9/11
Food, Inc.
Gates of Heaven
Gleaners & I, The
Good Hair
Grizzly Man
Hoop Dreams
Inconvenient Truth, An
Jackass
King of Kong, The
Man on Wire
Mr. Death
Murderball
My Kid Could Paint That
My Winnipeg
Nanook of the North
Paul Tomkowicz: Street Railway Switchman
Religulous
Restrepo
Riding Giants
Roger & Me
Ryan
Sicko
Spellbound
Super Size Me
Thin Blue Line, The
This Film Is Not Yet Rated
Touching the Void
Two Escobars, The
Waltz with Bashir

50
Decent.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on March 04, 2011, 10:18:03 AM
I've just been going through the short list, looking up on imdb all the docs I haven't seen, trying to prioritize my list. I came across The Century of Self and realized I've seen another doc by the same guy that I found very thought provoking and is done in much the same style called The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom. It presents a lot of provocative ideas that you may want to take with a grain of salt. Nevertheless it's a compelling watch.

I'll definitely have to make time for Century of Self.

This is Adam Curtis. His Power of Nightmares is also on the list.

What's the consensus on him? Is he respected or kind of marginalized as a kook?

I think respected, but someone who's been in England in the last few years could answer more definitively. But he has his own blog (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/) hosted by the BBC, and has had a long career with them. I think a few years ago they gave him a blank slate to go make films about whatever he likes as long as he stayed with them, kind of like Ken Burns with PBS (except, Curtis' films don't make you fall asleep).

I love his stuff, and I'm not always a fan of essay docs.

I am, however, a fan of kooks.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 04, 2011, 10:25:42 AM
I've just been going through the short list, looking up on imdb all the docs I haven't seen, trying to prioritize my list. I came across The Century of Self and realized I've seen another doc by the same guy that I found very thought provoking and is done in much the same style called The Trap: What Happened to Our Dream of Freedom. It presents a lot of provocative ideas that you may want to take with a grain of salt. Nevertheless it's a compelling watch.

I'll definitely have to make time for Century of Self.

This is Adam Curtis. His Power of Nightmares is also on the list.

What's the consensus on him? Is he respected or kind of marginalized as a kook?

I think respected, but someone who's been in England in the last few years could answer more definitively. But he has his own blog (http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/) hosted by the BBC, and has had a long career with them. I think a few years ago they gave him a blank slate to go make films about whatever he likes as long as he stayed with them, kind of like Ken Burns with PBS (except, Curtis' films don't make you fall asleep).

I love his stuff, and I'm not always a fan of essay docs.

I am, however, a fan of kooks.

Excellent. ;D

Very excited to get caught up with his stuff now.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 04, 2011, 12:06:23 PM
Titles from the Top 5 Documentaries (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=2534.0) thread that didn't make the shortlist:

51 Birch Street (StarCarly)
American Dream (Stanley K)
Anne Frank Remembered (The Mighty Celestial; Stanley K)
Arnulf Rainer (skjerva)
The Atomic Cafe (Stanley K)
Baseball: A film by Ken Burns (matt tmw)
The Battle of San Pietro (pixote)
The Battle Over Citizen Kane (Stanley K; Sam the Cinema Snob)
Blind Spot (flimflam)
Bright Leaves (CSSCHNEIDER)
Brother's Keeper (matt tmw; filmflam)
Bus 174 (Ver Schmer; zarodinu; philip918)
Buying the War (pixote)
César's Bark Canoe (matt tmw)
Chronique d'un été (Paris 1960) (Thor)
Chronos (CSSCHNEIDER)
Dave Chappelle's Block Party (Pink)
A Day in the Death of Donny B (matt tmw)
A Decade Under the Influence (CSSCHNEIDER)
The Devil's Playground (philip918)
Dying (pixote)
The Farm: Angola, USA (joeboff)
Goodbye CP (skjerva)
The Hamster Factor and Other Tales of Twelve Monkeys (pixote)
Hands on a Hardbody (Aaron)
Hearts of Darkness (Aaron; The Mighty Celestial; oneaprilday; jdc)
Histoire(s) du cinema (sdedalus)
The Hour of the Furnaces (skjerva)
How To Draw A Bunny (flimflam)
In The Realms Of The Unreal (flimflam)
Inside Deep Throat (Columbo)
The Last Waltz (sdedalus; Stanley K; dylanis; pixote)
Les Maitres Fous (Thor)
Listen to Britain (pixote)
Los Angeles Plays Itself (skjerva; roujin; duder; worm@work)
Manufactured Landscapes (flimflam)
Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media (Tim)
March of the Penguins (Stanley K)
Mooney vs. Fowle (pixote)
My Best Fiend: Klaus Kinski (oneaprilday)
My Flesh and Blood (StarCarly)
My Voyage in Italy (Stanley K)
Nuclear Family (pixote)
The Old Believers (matt tmw)
Olympia (Stanley K)
Paris Is Burning (skjerva; pixote; 4th round of the 90s US Bracket)
A Personal Journey through American Film with Martin Scorsese (CSSCHNEIDER)
Perversion for Profit (pixote; ¡Keith!)
The Pinochet Case (matt tmw)
The Plow That Broke the Plains (pixote)
Portrait of Jason (skjerva)
Punk:Attitude (CSSCHNEIDER)
The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (roujin)
Richard Cardinal: Cry from a Diary of a Métis Child (matt tmw)
Rivers and Tides (Sam the Cinema Snob; saltine)
Sans Soleil (skjerva; Thor; roujin; sdedalus; philip918)
Sherman's March (CSSCHNEIDER)
The Silent World (Stanley K)
Silverlake Life: The View from Here (pixote; skjerva)
The Sorrow and the Pity (pixote)
Standing in the Shadows of Motown (Stanley K)
The Stone Reader (CSSCHNEIDER)
Surfwise (philip918)
Symbiopsychotaxiplasm: Take One (skjerva)
That's Entertainment (Stanley K)
To Be and To Have (joeboff; duder; Pink)
Trekkies (oneaprilday)
Triumph of The Will (Stanley K)
Two Laws (Ver Schmer)
Vernon, Florida (jdc)
Visions of Light (Aaron)
The War Room (matt tmw)
West 47th Street (pixote)
What Farocki Taught (skjerva)
When the Levees Broke (skjerva; roujin)
When We Were Kings (joeboff; Stanley K)
White Diamond (Columbo)
Why We Fight (CSSCHNEIDER)
The Wild Parrots Of Telegraph Hill (FlimFlam)
Wisconsin Death Trip (Thor; StarCarly)
Woodstock (sdedalus; Stanley K; Pink; pixote)
Workingman's Death (Ver Schmer)
World Without Sun (Stanley K)
Z Channel (Aaron)


The ones is blue should maybe be grandfathered in, no? Maybe the ones in red, too?

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 04, 2011, 12:12:53 PM
(everyone who sent a ballot got their top 15 docs onto the shortlist)
Oops, I put Woodstock at 16.

Perversion for Profit (pixote)
Make that one red, ¡Keith! has it too.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 04, 2011, 12:47:57 PM
Searching around the web for other lists of the best docs of all-time. Saw Planet Earth mentioned in one Top 10. Was that eligible here?

Google isn't turning up a lot of good/interesting lists. Maybe we're onto something here!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 04, 2011, 12:51:40 PM
Triumph of the Will didn't make it? The single most influential and powerful documentary ever made?

I thought you guys were movie buffs.

I'mma watch it this week and see what comes of it.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 04, 2011, 12:53:32 PM
The GreenCine (http://www.greencine.com/list?action=viewList&listID=7940) list makes me wish these were on the shortlist:

Jazz on a Summer's Day (1959)
Best Boy (1979)
The Civil War (1990)
Lessons of Darkness (1992) — if only because it was a smirnoff movie trivia answer!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on March 04, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
Triumph of the Will didn't make it? The single most influential and powerful documentary ever made?

I thought you guys were movie buffs.

I'mma watch it this week and see what comes of it.

Eh, Olympia is better.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 04, 2011, 01:02:13 PM
Saw Planet Earth mentioned in one Top 10. Was that eligible here?

When I put together my list I was keeping myself to non-tv stuff... I would definitely add something like this.

Actually it would change everything. I'd probably include every Attenborough narrated nature doc I've seen. (one of the first dvd's I ever bought was The Life of Birds (http://www.amazon.com/Life-Birds-David-Attenborough/dp/B000069HXL)  ;D)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 04, 2011, 01:32:48 PM
pixote, stop trying to complicate my life. :D
Decisions are made by those who show up.

I expect Planet Earth would have been eligible as it is essentially a single-topic mini-series rather than an episodic documentary series spanning diverse topics (Michael Moore's series for one is ineligible). I certainly counted TV based documentaries like Frontline episodes as eligible since they are marketed individually.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 04, 2011, 02:08:30 PM
Oh man. frontline... there are some amazing episodes.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 04, 2011, 02:15:36 PM
Decisions are made by those who show up.

I guess that's fair. But a 162-film shortlist of the best documentaries of all-time that doesn't include Hearts of Darkness, Sans Soleil, and Woodstock seems kinda ... suspect.

Is it too late to get my one film in?

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 04, 2011, 02:32:15 PM
(everyone who sent a ballot got their top 15 docs onto the shortlist)
Oops, I put Woodstock at 16.

Perversion for Profit (pixote)
Make that one red, ¡Keith! has it too.


Had Trekkies and Why We Fight on my list as well
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 04, 2011, 02:34:01 PM
(everyone who sent a ballot got their top 15 docs onto the shortlist)
Oops, I put Woodstock at 16.

Perversion for Profit (pixote)
Make that one red, ¡Keith! has it too.


Had Trekkies and Why We Fight on my list as well

Yeah, I didn't compare the lists in the Top 5 Docs thread with the lists in this thread; I only combed through the former.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 04, 2011, 02:37:24 PM
(everyone who sent a ballot got their top 15 docs onto the shortlist)
Oops, I put Woodstock at 16.

Perversion for Profit (pixote)
Make that one red, ¡Keith! has it too.


Had Trekkies and Why We Fight on my list as well

Yeah, I didn't compare the lists in the Top 5 Docs thread with the lists in this thread; I only combed through the former.

pixote

why not? isn't that what pix does?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on March 04, 2011, 06:15:53 PM
Decisions are made by those who show up.

I guess that's fair. But a 162-film shortlist of the best documentaries of all-time that doesn't include Hearts of Darkness, Sans Soleil, and Woodstock seems kinda ... suspect.

Is it too late to get my one film in?

pixote

This.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oldkid on March 04, 2011, 06:33:41 PM
Decisions are made by those who show up.

I guess that's fair. But a 162-film shortlist of the best documentaries of all-time that doesn't include Hearts of Darkness, Sans Soleil, and Woodstock seems kinda ... suspect.

Is it too late to get my one film in?

pixote

This.

I agree.  These three films need to be given a chance.   I haven't seen them yet, but I would, if given a chance to vote on them.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Sandy on March 04, 2011, 08:01:52 PM
As long as titles are still being suggested. New York Doll is 7.8 at IMDb. It has some interesting interviews with Arthur Kane, Leee Black Childers, Bob Geldof, Chrissie Hynde...

Here is a portion of the Sundance write up. New York Doll relates the meteoric rise, resounding fall, and recent all-too-brief resurrection of the seminal New York glam-rock-punk band, the New York Dolls, but it is foremost a story about the band's amazing bassist and leader, Arthur "Killer" Kane. With empathy, respect, and humor, director and friend Greg Whiteley follows Kane and interviews key musicians, friends, and colleagues to uncover the legacy of the Dolls and their significant impact on the London music scene in the dizzying heyday of the early 1970s.

It stands out from the documentaries that I have seen (which truth be told, are not that extensive.)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 04, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
We've got 162 in right now. If someone wants to organize a list of biggest snubs (i.e. build off of what pix posted) and launch a poll, I'd be willing to take the top 13 vote-getters and bump it up to 175. The key here is me doing less additional work. I've got teaching duties I didn't have when I first started organizing this shindig.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 05, 2011, 12:51:45 AM
Alright, Bondo and I are going to open the shortlist voting back up for one week only. If you haven't yet submitted a ranked list of your top docs, please PM it to me by the end of next week. You can include as many as 100 films or as few as 5 or even 1. Don't stress too much about it. A Top 15 is probably a good target number. We just want to make sure the shortlist doesn't have any glaring oversights before we move into the final round of voting.

Just a reminder of how this is gonna work: we're trying out a two-stage voting process for this list. Stage one resembles what you're already familiar with from our other lists (Films, Directors, Animated Films, etc.): Everyone submits a ranked list of their favorites; each rank has an associated point value; we take all the lists, add up the points, and see what the top docs are. What's going to happen in stage two, though, is that we're going to take the top 175 or so titles from stage one and ask everyone to rate the ones they've seen (and remember) on a scale of 1-10. And then we're going to apply some fancy math to those ratings to determine the actual Top 100.

Anyway, please get your lists in if your haven't done so already. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go bug you all by PM with this same plea.

By the way, we've only received 14 ballots so far. I'd like to get that number up to at least 20, if not higher.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 05, 2011, 02:05:21 AM
oh good. was putting in several hours of studying a night back on shortlist submittal before. Ill get to submit a decent contribution now.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 06, 2011, 10:15:05 PM
ok, I just made a list of 100 docs, and watched a bunch this weekend. Going to mow through a bunch more and submit. Does end of the week mean Friday, Saturday or Sunday?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 07, 2011, 12:07:05 PM
ok, I just made a list of 100 docs, and watched a bunch this weekend. Going to mow through a bunch more and submit. Does end of the week mean Friday, Saturday or Sunday?

I put Friday as the deadline on the calendar, but Sunday would be fine, too.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: jbissell on March 07, 2011, 05:26:24 PM
I totally forgot about this the first time around. I'll get you a list sometime this week.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 07, 2011, 05:32:18 PM
FYC of stuff not on the original short list:

When We Were Kings
The Beales of Grey Gardens
Sans Soleil
General Idi Amin Dada
The Big One
Cocaine Cowboys
The Civil War
Baseball
Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: FYC and Your Lists
Post by: pixote on March 08, 2011, 01:22:16 AM
Alone in the Wilderness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss#)
D'oh! I just watched this thinking it was the full film.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 08, 2011, 05:39:56 AM
Alone in the Wilderness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss#)
D'oh! I just watched this thinking it was the full film.
:)

Did it get you wanting to watch the whole?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 08, 2011, 01:22:35 PM
Alone in the Wilderness (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJKd0rkKss#)
D'oh! I just watched this thinking it was the full film.
:)

Did it get you wanting to watch the whole?
Yeah, I could watch someone build a cabin for hours, easily.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 08, 2011, 08:53:05 PM
My short list...included a couple extra in case something doesnt count for whatever reason....

1)Hoop Dreams
2)Gates of Heaven
3)Man on Wire
4)The Thin Blue Line
5)Grey Gardens
6)The Up Series
7)Capturing the Friedmans
8)Little Dieter Needs to Fly
9)The Beales of Grey Gardens
10)Baseball
11)Bowling for Columbine
12)Standard Operating Procedure
13)Wedlock House: An Intercourse
14)The Civil War
15)Window Water Baby Moving
16)Exit Through the Gift Shop
17)This Film is Not Yet Rated
18)My Kid Could Paint That
19)The Times of Harvey Milk
20)Burden of Dreams
21)Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmakers Apocalyspe
22)When We Were Kings
23)Sonicsgate
24)Unforgivable Blackness: The Rise and Fall of Jack Johnson
25)My Winnipeig
26)The King of Kong
27)Why We Fight (7 Part Frank Capra WW2 Propaganda Series)
28)Great Ectasy of the Woodcarver Steiner
29)F for Fake
30)Roger & Me
31)The Aristocrats
32)My Best Fiend: Klaus Kinski
33)Inside Job
34)Murderball
35)The Fog of War
36)Grizzly Man
37)An Inconvienent Truth
38)No End in Sight
39)Jackass
40)Crumb
41)Hearts and Minds
42)CKY
43)Hitman Heart: Wrestling With Shadows
44)For All Mankind
45)CKY2K
46)Capitalism: A Love Story
47)The Big One
48)Cocaine Cowboys
49)Jackass 2
50)Fast, Cheap and Out of Control
51)Night and Fog
52)Winning Time: Reggie Miller vs the New York Knicks
53)Baraka
54)The Two Escobars
55)Trekkies
56)Sicko
57)Spellbound
58)Triumph of the Will
59)Sans Soleil
60)March of the Penguins
61)I Knew it Was You: Rediscovering John Cazale
62)No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson
63)Waltz with Bashir
64)Wal Mart: The High Cost of Low Prices
65)Nanook of the North
66)The Act of Seeing with Ones Own Eyes
67)Restrepo
68)Pumping Iron
69)Dear America: Letters from Vietnam
70)The Private Life of a Cat
71)Gray's Anatomy
72)Powers of Ten
73)Gerneral Idi Amin Dada
74)Man with the Movie Camera
75)Harlan County: USA
76)The Last Waltz
77)Jordan Rides the Bus
78)Muhummad and Larry
79)Super Size Me
80)Salesman
81)The Pixar Story
82)Haxan
83)Tyson
84)Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe
85)Brooklyn Bridge
86)Food Inc
87)American Movie
88)Confessions of a Superhero
89)From Stump to Ship
90)Farenheit 9/11
91)Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL?
92)The Original Kings of Comedy
93)Listen to Britian
94)Kings Ransom
95)Yes: 9012 Live
96)The U
97)Target for Tonight
98)Straight Out of LA
99)Super High Me
100)The Statue of Liberty
101)CKY3
102)Kobe Doin Work
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 08, 2011, 08:59:13 PM
Nice.

I never thought of considering Capra's Why We Fight as a single entry. Feels a little weird, to me, but I guess it's in keeping with how we're treating Eyes on the Prize, say.

Then again, we could go to extremes and list The March of Time as a single entry. That'd definitely be weird, right?

I guess I've never actually seen Haxan, despite having had it on my DVR for a long while. IMDb seems confused as to whether it's a Documentary or a Pseudo Documentary. Thoughts?

IMDb also doesn't have the Doc tag on Gray's Anatomy, which is surprising.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 08, 2011, 09:08:40 PM
Impressive list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 08, 2011, 09:09:00 PM
Id probably have to watch Haxan again....I recall it being interesting with documentary style, but also some elements being dramatized for the purposes of the movie.

it didnt "stick" well, but I liked it and want it to have a chance in this thing. Ill watch it again if its on the shortlist. promise.

openflix has the full movie on youtube

I PMed this to you as well
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Clovis8 on March 08, 2011, 09:10:50 PM
trekkies is a good choice. I forgot about that.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: AAAutin on March 09, 2011, 10:17:00 PM
I ruled out show docs (concert, stand-up, etc.) and WALTZ WITH BASHIR:

01. DARK DAYS
02. STYLE WARS
03. BUS 174
04. HEARTS OF DARKNESS
05. ONE DAY IN SEPTEMBER
06. ROGER & ME
07. A DECADE UNDER THE INFLUENCE
08. SCRATCH
09. CRUMB
10. THE STAIRCASE
11. CONTROL ROOM
12. CRAZY LOVE
13. DOGTOWN & Z-BOYS
14. THE FOG OF WAR
15. WHY WE FIGHT
16. CAPTURING THE FRIEDMANS
17. INSIDE DEEP THROAT
18. EXIT THROUGH THE GIFT SHOP
19. THRILLA IN MANILA
20. BARAKA
21. GUERRILLA: THE TAKING OF PATTY HEARST
22. OVERNIGHT
23. HOOP DREAMS
24. THE TIMES OF HARVEY MILK
25. THE WEATHER UNDERGROUND
26. THE TRIALS OF HENRY KISSINGER
27. TAXI TO THE DARK SIDE
28. MAN ON WIRE
29. UNFORGIVABLE BLACKNESS
30. CLIENT 9
31. LOST IN LA MANCHA
32. SLASHER
33. THE CORPORATION
34. NIGHT AND FOG
35. PARADISE LOST (1996)
36. DIG!
37. POSTCARDS FROM THE FUTURE
38. THE KING OF KONG
39. GO TIGERS!
40. OPERATION FILMMAKER
41. BURDEN OF DREAMS
42. AMERICAN MOVIE
43. THE UNION (2007)
44. COCAINE COWBOYS
45. WE LIVE IN PUBLIC
46. AMERICAN PIMP
47. UNKNOWN WHITE MALE
48. LITTLE DIETER NEEDS TO FLY
49. THIS FILM IS NOT YET RATED
50. BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 02:28:42 AM
85. Pumping Iron  (George Butler & Robert Fiore, 1977)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/dd2rer.jpg)

84. Animals Are Beautiful People  (Jamie Uys, 1974)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/161yrki.jpg)

83. Body of War  (Phil Donahue & Ellen Spiro, 2008)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/35mffw2.jpg)

82. Crude  (Joe Berlinger, 2009)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/14tycfa.jpg)

81. God Grew Tired of Us  (Christopher Quinn, 2006)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1zzt8vb.jpg)

80. Stranded: I've Come from a Plane That Crashed on the Mountains  (Gonzalo Arijon, 2007)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/idw288.jpg)

79. Berlin: Symphony of a Great City  (Walter Ruttmann, 1927)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/dy8y29.jpg)

78. Baraka  (Ron Fricke, 1992)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2akzgi.jpg)

77. Buying the War  (Kathleen Hughes, 2007)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/112bb4k.jpg)

76. The Garden  (Ruthie Shatz & Adi Barash, 2003)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2eqf0py.jpg)

75. Young@Heart  (Stephen Walker, 2008)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/ioopxi.jpg)

74. The Hamster Factor and Other Tales of Twelve Monkeys  (Keith Fulton & Louis Pepe, 1997)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2mmd21h.jpg)

73. American Dream  (Barbara Kopple, 1990)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/345h6pg.jpg)

72. A Day in the Death of Donny B.  (Carl Fick, 1969)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/s48g28.jpg)

71. ABC Africa  (Abbas Kiarostami, 2001)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/28k80gy.jpg)

70. Hands on a Hard Body  (S.R. Bindler, 1997)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/n6utr5.jpg)

69. Concert of Wills: Making the Getty Center  (Susan Froemke, Bob Eisenhardt, and Albert Maysles, 1997)
(http://i47.tinypic.com/22x8x1.jpg)

68. Nuclear Family  (Don Howard, 2003)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1enzv6.jpg)

67. Fahrenheit 9/11  (Michael Moore, 2004)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/29bd7c4.jpg)

66. War Dance  (Sean Fine & Andrea Nix Fine, 2007)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2lji1rt.jpg)

65. A Perfect Candidate  (R.J. Cutler & David Van Taylor, 1996)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/hriz6f.jpg)

64. Devil's Playground  (Lucy Walker, 2002)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/24o23k8.jpg)

63. The Big One  (Michael Moore, 1998)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2yuyl94.jpg)

62. The Cats of Mirikitani  (Linda Hattendorf, 2006)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/sg4fhu.jpg)

61. In the Year of the Pig  (Emile de Antonio, 1968)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/nb7zvp.jpg)

60. Ghosts of Rwanda  (Greg Barker, 2004)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/r780h1.jpg)

59. Murder on a Sunday Morning  (Jean-Xavier de Lestrade, 2001)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/23rlk5g.jpg)

58. Last Man Standing: Politics – Texas Style  (Paul Stekler, 2004)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/25884ro.jpg)

57. Mooney vs. Fowle  (James Lipscomb, 1961)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2v3k592.jpg)

56. Stevie  (Steve James, 2002)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/24vvdw2.jpg)

55. Best Boy  (Ira Wohl, 1979)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/23mudqg.jpg)

54. Olympia  (Leni Riefenstahl, 1938)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/fxgz6d.jpg)

53. Sherman's March  (Ross McElwee, 1986)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/4jt553.jpg)

52. Monterey Pop  (D.A. Pennebaker, 1968)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/orte36.jpg)

51. Salesman  (Albert Maysles & David Maysles & Charlotte Zwerin, 1969)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/ycf6.jpg)

50. Primary  (Robert Drew, 1960)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/a0dued.jpg)

49. Grass: A Nation's Battle for Life  (Merian C. Cooper & Ernest B. Schoedsack, 1925)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1z4wphl.jpg)

48. Hotel Terminus: The Life and Times of Klaus Barbie  (Marcel Ophüls, 1988)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2s9ssck.jpg)

47. The Plow That Broke the Plains  (Pare Lorentz, 1936)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/8zh1sj.jpg)

46. Crumb  (Terry Zwigoff, 1994)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2u974zq.jpg)

45. Roger & Me  (Michael Moore, 1989)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2lwn67b.jpg)

44. Night and Fog  (Alain Resnais, 1955)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/5y4ph.jpg)

43. Dying  (Michael Roemer, 1976)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/33ksrar.jpg)

42. Street Fight  (Marshall Curry, 2005)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/1zr0583.jpg)

41. High School  (Frederick Wiseman, 1968)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/317e3dj.jpg)

40. The Farm: Life Inside Angola Prison  (Jonathan Stack & Liz Garbus, 1998)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/i254kk.jpg)

39. Listen to Britain  (Humphrey Jennings & Stewart McAllister, 1942)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/29fxq46.jpg)

38. Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse  (Fax Bahr & George Hickenlooper, 1991)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2dv0fau.jpg)

37. The War Room  (Chris Hegedus and D.A. Pennebaker, 1993)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/8xiys7.jpg)

36. The Civil War  (Ken Burns, 1990)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2qibqd2.jpg)

35. Grey Gardens  (David Maysles, Albert Maysles, Ellen Hovde, & Muffie Meyer, 1976)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/2mgplqs.jpg)

34. Bowling for Columbine  (Michael Moore, 2004)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/29y3xo2.jpg)

33. Koyaanisqatsi  (Godfrey Reggio, 1983)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/16iyx00.jpg)

32. Burden of Dreams  (Les Blank, 1982)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2jeqmxk.jpg)

31. Dont Look Back  (D.A. Pennebaker, 1967)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/119uyir.jpg)

30. Nanook of the North  (Robert J. Flaherty, 1922)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/t4vdyo.jpg)

29. La Danse: The Paris Opera Ballet  (Frederick Wiseman, 2009)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/35lylbp.jpg)

28. Paris Is Burning  (Jennie Livingston, 1990)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2qnpqts.jpg)

27. The Sorrow and the Pity  (Marcel Ophüls, 1969)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/2q0u9n7.jpg)

26. Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills  (Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky, 1996)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/flgfua.jpg)

25. Ask Me, Don't Tell Me  (David Myers, 1961)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/sfjgk4.jpg)

24. The Last Waltz  (Martin Scorsese, 1978)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/33b1nco.jpg)

23. Capturing the Friedmans  (Andrew Jarecki, 2003)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/29ori3k.jpg)

22. West 47th Street  (Bill Lichtenstein & June Peoples, 2001)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/235ulu.jpg)

21. Gimme Shelter  (Albert Maysles, David Maysles, & Charlotte Zwerin, 1970)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/1zeytxk.jpg)

20. Titicut Follies  (Frederick Wiseman, 1967)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/vsklzp.jpg)

19. Children Underground  (Edet Belzberg, 2001)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2mx1nvq.jpg)

18. The Up Series  (Michael Apted, 1964-)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/t7282t.jpg)

17. Crisis: Behind a Presidential Decision  (Robert Drew, 1963)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/b7cayw.jpg)

16. Man of Aran  (Robert J. Flaherty, 1934)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2w4b33p.jpg)

15. Eyes on the Prize  (Henry Hampton, 1986)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2en69ev.jpg)

14. The Act of Seeing with One's Own Eyes  (Stan Brakhage, 1971)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/14c4i9w.jpg)

13. A Time for Burning  (Bill Jersey & Barbara Connell, 1967)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2en2oma.jpg)

12. Sicko  (Michael Moore, 2007)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2dw4xx.jpg)

11. Woodstock: 3 Days of Peace & Music  (Michael Wadleigh, 1970)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2u9s80m.jpg)

10. The Battle of San Pietro  (John Huston, 1945)
(http://i55.tinypic.com/1zef62u.jpg)

9. Silverlake Life: The View from Here  (Peter Friedman & Tom Joslin, 1993)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/2wpj791.jpg)

8. Perversion for Profit  (Unknown, 1965)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/hsuxj9.jpg)

7. The Thin Blue Line  (Errol Morris, 1988)
(http://i54.tinypic.com/20rv7fa.jpg)

6. Harlan County U.S.A  (Barbara Kopple, 1976)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/984ynl.jpg)

5. Hearts and Minds  (Peter Davis, 1974)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/29vf0qv.jpg)

4. The Times of Harvey Milk  (Rob Epstein, 1984)
(http://i52.tinypic.com/30m0kxu.jpg)

3. Hoop Dreams  (Steve James, 1994)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/6jk9bn.jpg)

2. Streetwise  (Martin Bell, 1984)
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2d6p8pf.jpg)

1. Man with a Movie Camera  (Dziga Vertov, 1929)
(http://i51.tinypic.com/34y1f9f.jpg)


The order here is pretty haphazard, but films 1-14 are all great; films 15-35 are near great; and the rest are very good. I'm really overwhlemed and even distressed by the number of titles I want to see but haven't, especially given the limited availability of so many of them. I can't even find a half decent screenshot for Dying. I just wonder how many other great docs like that there are, docs that had a brief run on PBS or NET or whatever and then were just put away and almost never seen again.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 10, 2011, 07:12:56 AM
I'm distressed about only having seen 1/3rd of your list! :) But agree with the choice and placement of most everything I have seen.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Clovis8 on March 10, 2011, 08:16:15 AM
So much Micheal Moore love which makes me happy and will make Z crazy.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 10, 2011, 08:19:38 AM
So much Micheal Moore love which makes me happy and will make Z crazy.

Which is pretty much all anyone can really aspire to do. ;D
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on March 10, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
Awesome list, pix!  I've only seen about half of them, but you've got a bunch on there I've been meaning to get around to, and several more that you've piqued my curiosity about.

Can't say I agree with placing Koyaanisqatsi above Baraka though :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 10, 2011, 09:02:23 AM
Quote
I just wonder how many other great docs like that there are, docs that had a brief run on PBS or NET or whatever and then were just put away and almost never seen again
Yeah, I've made several unsuccessful attempts to find a copy of West 47th Street

Great list, pix. Lots of goodness I know. Lots of goodness I want to know.

Also, I like pictures.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on March 10, 2011, 09:07:23 AM
Nice, I haven't seen a bunch of those, and you jogged my memory on some I had forgotten about.

When does my list have to be in? I'll try to do this before baby arrives.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 10, 2011, 09:12:48 AM
Seem to have forgotten to place Buñuel's Land Without Bread on my list... 3 additions from the last one at least.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 10, 2011, 09:14:14 AM
Can I send an addendum to the list I already sent?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 10:22:37 AM
Can't say I agree with placing Koyaanisqatsi above Baraka though :)
I saw Baraka in 70mm and Koyaanisqatsi on a crappy television, and I was still more impressed with the latter. Philip Glass has a lot to do with that, no doubt.

Yeah, I've made several unsuccessful attempts to find a copy of West 47th Street
I'd love to see it again. Wish that were an option.  :-\

When does my list have to be in? I'll try to do this before baby arrives.
The goal was to get all the lists in by tomorrow, but by the end of the weekend would be fine. You can do it!

Seem to have forgotten to place Buñuel's Land Without Bread on my list... 3 additions from the last one at least.
I almost put Land Without Bread on my list as a faith pick, but I eventually decided not to include anything that I didn't remember more vividly.

Can I send an addendum to the list I already sent?
Sure. Resend your full list and put the changes in bold or something.

62. Meeting People Is Easy  (Grant Gee, 1998)
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I'm still remembering new titles, too.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 10, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
only seen 29 on pixotes list....although I was going to check out Koyaanisquanti tonight and Sherman's march this weekend. Im also going to try to see what I havent seen from everyones top 10 before final voting assuming theres no 4+ hour tv series or anything.

Have you seen the Beales of Grey Gardens? If you like the first one, the sequel is pretty good too.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 11:27:31 AM
Have you seen the Beales of Grey Gardens? If you like the first one, the sequel is pretty good too.

Yeah, I liked it, but not quite enough to include here. Same with Paradise Lost 2: Revelations. Maybe I'm just anti-sequels. :)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Wilson on March 10, 2011, 11:34:17 AM
I'm really excited about seeing the completed list for this.  I'm very light on documentaries and I've only seen about 7 or 8 that I really like, so going through the top 100 should be a great experience.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 11:35:46 AM
I'm really excited about seeing the completed list for this.  I'm very light on documentaries and I've only seen about 7 or 8 that I really like, so going through the top 100 should be a great experience.

Did you submit a list yet? (A list of 7 or 8 is most definitely welcome.)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Wilson on March 10, 2011, 11:38:23 AM
Not yet but I'll do it tomorrow afternoon some time.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 10, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
Have you seen the Beales of Grey Gardens? If you like the first one, the sequel is pretty good too.

Yeah, I liked it, but not quite enough to include here. Same with Paradise Lost 2: Revelations. Maybe I'm just anti-sequels. :)

pixote

this is kind of up to you guys, but if we are including the Up movies as a set, we might consider doing the same for the Grey Gardens.

 
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 11:46:33 AM
Have you seen the Beales of Grey Gardens? If you like the first one, the sequel is pretty good too.

Yeah, I liked it, but not quite enough to include here. Same with Paradise Lost 2: Revelations. Maybe I'm just anti-sequels. :)

this is kind of up to you guys, but if we are including the Up movies as a set, we might consider doing the same for the Grey Gardens.

As I was putting together my list, I started thinking, you know, Primary and Crisis could almost be considered part of the same series. Same with all of Michael Moore's films. And The War Room and A Perfect Candidate. And The Hamster Factor and Lost in La Mancha. And Grass and Chang. And all of Flaherty's films.

But, personally, I think the fewer "series" the better. I'd even rather have the individual films of Eyes on the Prize listed separately, because they're are a couple of real standouts (and the original 1986 series is much better, as a whole, than the 1990 series). But that's just me.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 10, 2011, 11:55:01 AM
agree on the fewer series thing.

Grey Gardens could basically be a 3 hour movie instead of two 90 minute parts though. They are essentialy that similar.

Moore, for example, touches on a lot of the same things (the decline of Flint, 9/11, etc) but his movies are all certainley very seperate entities.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oneaprilday on March 10, 2011, 12:22:30 PM
I need to see more docs.

Hastily put together list:


1. Grizzly Man
2. Harlan County, U.S.A.
3. The Thin Blue Line
4. The Up series
5. Beaches of Agnes
6. Little Dieter Needs to Fly
7. Operation Filmmaker
8. King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters
9. Capturing the Friedmans
10. Vernon, Florida
11. Burden of Dreams
12. The Gleaners and I
13. My Best Fiend: Klaus Kinski
14. Exit Through the Gift Shop
15. Touching the Void
16. Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker’s Apocalypse
17. Roger and Me
18. Anvil: Story of Anvil
19. Stranded: I Have Come from a Plane That Crashed in the Mountains
20. American Movie
21. Trekkies
22. Spellbound
23. Winged Migration
24. Man on Wire
25. Mugabe and the White African
26. Fast, Cheap, and Out of Control
27. Best Worst Movie
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 10, 2011, 12:54:19 PM
Inexcusably left out Vernon, Flordia on my list. It should be at #21
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 12:59:08 PM
agree on the fewer series thing.

Grey Gardens could basically be a 3 hour movie instead of two 90 minute parts though. They are essentialy that similar.

The other issue is that combining films into series could hurt those films' placement on the final list (or cost them a spot all together). When it comes time to rate these shortlist titles on a 1-10 scale, I'll give Grey Gardens a 9 and The Beales a 7. But if I had to give a single score to the two films combined, it'd be an 8, max. I think the original 90-minute movie is a much stronger film than the combined 3 hours from the two films. Likewise, there are films within the Eyes on the Prize and Up series that I'd score a 10; but I give each of those series as a whole just a 9.

Inexcusably left out Vernon, Flordia on my list. It should be at #21

Send me a PM to remind me, okay?

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 10, 2011, 01:03:35 PM
As I was putting together my list, I started thinking, you know, Primary and Crisis could almost be considered part of the same series. Same with all of Michael Moore's films. And The War Room and A Perfect Candidate. And The Hamster Factor and Lost in La Mancha. And Grass and Chang. And all of Flaherty's films.
This seems like a stretch.

The other issue is that combining films into series could hurt those films' placement on the final list (or cost them a spot all together).
The opposite seems more likely to me. Considering the entire Up Series as a single title avoids vote splitting. Or am I confused about how the phase two fancy math works?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 01:13:27 PM
As I was putting together my list, I started thinking, you know, Primary and Crisis could almost be considered part of the same series. Same with all of Michael Moore's films. And The War Room and A Perfect Candidate. And The Hamster Factor and Lost in La Mancha. And Grass and Chang. And all of Flaherty's films.
This seems like a stretch.

Oh yeah, definitely. I was more just saying, I was surprised how interconnected the titles on my list seemed to be, in terms of the same group of filmmakers often appearing over and over again and also the same subject matter (homelessless, political campaigning, soldiers, concerts, genocide).

The other issue is that combining films into series could hurt those films' placement on the final list (or cost them a spot all together).
The opposite seems more likely to me. Considering the entire Up Series as a single title avoids vote splitting. Or am I confused about how the phase two fancy math works?

In phase two, everyone's going to rate all the shortlisted films that they've seen (and remember) on a scale of 1-10. The films will then be ranked by average score (which will by weighted by the number of votes). So vote-splitting shouldn't really be an issue. I mean, I can't imagine half of us thinka 35 Up is mediocre while 42 Up is sublime, while the other half thinks the opposite.

The main advantage of considering the films a single entity is that it prevents the individual films in the series from hogging seven different spots on our final Top 100. I don't think films with just two parts (Grey Gardens, The Beaches of Agnes, Paradise Lost, etc.) need that same consideration.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 10, 2011, 01:23:43 PM
now, if you haven't seen the whole Up series, say just the part about the SQUIRREL - does that count as seen or unseen?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 10, 2011, 01:26:38 PM
now, if you haven't seen the whole Up series, say just the part about the SQUIRREL - does that count as seen or unseen?

Huh, yeah, gets tricky there.

Then again, since the series is ongoing, I guess nobody's seen it all. Loophole!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 10, 2011, 01:32:16 PM
I don't think films with just two parts (Grey Gardens, The Beaches of Agnes, Paradise Lost, etc.) need that same consideration.
I'd agree with that, a 2-part series need not be lumped together.

As for considering a longer series as a whole rather than individually, I can see your point about how you may not feel as strongly about some films in the series as others (Eyes on the Prize is best example of this, I think), but for me it's easier because I often don't recall which entries were my favourite. My overall impression of the Up Series is very positive and I don't actually remember which ones I would single out, so I'm very comfortable highly rating it as a single entity.

Of course, the downside of that is that if you haven't seen the whole thing, you might be hesitant about listing it even if you really liked the installments you did see, again Eyes on the Prize is a good example of this, for me.

So vote-splitting shouldn't really be an issue.
Gotcha. Perhaps more of an issue in phase 1 when the raw shortlist was being built.

Oh yeah, definitely. I was more just saying, I was surprised how interconnected the titles on my list seemed to be, in terms of the same group of filmmakers often appearing over and over again and also the same subject matter
I'd bet similar trends are present on my list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 10, 2011, 01:50:43 PM
I'm comfortable rating The Up Series based on having seen the first four entries. I can't imagine they get suddenly better or worse with the remaining entries. So I think for "series" entries, having seen a part is sufficient. I just think the dual problems of either vote splitting in phase 1 or list-hogging after phase 2 are too great to split up expansive (>2) series into individual parts.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Verite on March 10, 2011, 03:32:48 PM
The New Americans or Golub on the list?

Shamefully, this is my first time hearing of these titles.  I'll check those out ASAP.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on March 10, 2011, 04:46:05 PM
The New Americans or Golub on the list?

Shamefully, this is my first time hearing of these titles.  I'll check those out ASAP.

Woot!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 11, 2011, 07:07:09 AM
                 Tier 1               
1. Fog of War, The
2. Alone in the Wilderness
3. Deep Water
4. Endless Summer 2
5. Koyannqatsi
6. The Life of Birds
7. Touching the Void
8. The Trap: What Happened To Our Dream of Freedom
9. Planet Earth
10. Baraka
11. Frontline - The Warning
12. Winged Migration
13. Hoop Dreams
14. Kid Stays In The Picture, The
15. Murder on a Sunday Morning
16. Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
17. My Kid Could Paint That
18. Frontline - Obama's Deal
19. Collapse
20. Exit Through The Gift Shop
                 Tier 2               
21. On Any Sunday
22. Man on Wire
23. Religulous
24. King of Kong, The
25. Cove, The
26. Jesus Camp
27. Jonestown
28. Bowling For Columbine
29. Sicko
30. Capitalism: A Love Story
31. Fahrenheit 9/11
32. Dear Zachary
33. No End in Sight
34. Jackass
35. Jackass 2
                 Tier 3               
36. Who Killed the Electric Car?
37. Cry of the Wild
38. Food, Inc
39. Grizzly Man
40. Looking For Richard
41. No Direction Home
42. Corporation, The
43. Outfoxed
44. Up the Yangtze
45. Yes Men
46. Young@Heart
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Wilson on March 11, 2011, 07:44:51 AM
Who do I submit my list to, pix or bondo?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 11, 2011, 08:02:15 AM
Who do I submit my list to, pix or bondo?

pix
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on March 11, 2011, 10:01:39 AM
I find the variety in this thread very interesting, and very exciting.  Just about everyone's list has a number of titles I've never seen, or even heard of.  Maybe we should do other "top 100" genre breakdowns.  Some genres are easier to classify than others (especially documentaries), but I imagine we could do comedy, sci-fi and horror, at least.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 11, 2011, 10:03:55 AM
28. Bowling For Columbine
29. Sicko
30. Capitalism: A Love Story
31. Fahrenheit 9/11

 :D - so you pretty much know what yr getting with a Moore film then right?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oldkid on March 11, 2011, 10:52:32 AM
The problem I have with listing a series is that it is daunting to watch it in a short period of time.  While I have a high interest in watching the Up series, I am not going to watch, say, four films of it when I could be watching four different films in a limited time frame.  If there was one film that I could focus on, perhaps I'd watch that one, or maybe two.  But to make a determination on a whole series is too much to swallow in a month, when there are many other films to take in.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 11, 2011, 06:21:14 PM
Some notable films with just a single vote so far:

51 Birch Street
American Dream
Battle of San Pietro, The
Best Boy
Blood of the Beasts
Bridge, The
Bright Leaves
Buena Vista Social Club
Business of Being Born
Common Threads: Stories From The Quilt
Dear America: Letters from Vietnam
Domestic Violence
Être et avoir
Grass: A Nation's Battle for Life
Hands on a Hard Body
Hospital
Hotel Terminus: The Life and Times of Klaus Barbie
Housing Problems
Imagine: John Lennon
In the Year of the Pig
Jupiter's Wife
Koko, a Talking Gorilla
Law and Order
Lessons of Darkness
Let's Get Lost
Maitres Fous, Les
Married Couple, A
Microcosmos
My Brother's Keeper
Pixar Story, The
Planet Earth
Plow That Broke the Plains
Portrait of Jason
Regret to Inform
Rembrandt's J'Accuse
Silverlake Life: The View from Here
Sink or Swim
Sound and Fury
Symbiopsychotaxiplasm: Take One
Sympathy for the Devil
Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse
Tokyo-Ga
Tongues United
Triumph of the Will
War Room, The
Warrendale
Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe
Window Water Baby Moving

More ballots, please!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Sandy on March 11, 2011, 11:36:12 PM
pixote are you considering 2011 documentaries?

These three got a lot of buzz at Sundance:

Greatest Movie Ever Sold
These Amazing Shadows: The Movies That Make America
Being Elmo: A Puppeteer's Journey

Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 11, 2011, 11:47:15 PM
pixote are you considering 2011 documentaries?

These three got a lot of buzz at Sundance:

Greatest Movie Ever Sold
These Amazing Shadows: The Movies That Make America
Being Elmo: A Puppeteer's Journey


All docs are eligible, but nobody here has personally vouched for those yet, so I don't think they can be in contention for this year's list. Maybe next year (when The Interrupters rules all)!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 12, 2011, 12:02:49 AM
We're finalizing the shortlist tomorrow night, so get your lists in, if your haven't already.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on March 12, 2011, 08:55:05 AM

These Amazing Shadows: The Movies That Make America

Features a good couple of minutes of Hoop Dreams!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Clovis8 on March 12, 2011, 09:41:31 AM
It feels like I watch a lot of docs but I couldnt come up with a top 100. :( Oh well, here is my list. I am not in love with the ranking after the top 20 but it's not way off.

1   The Fog of War
2   Man on Wire
3   Touching the Void
4   Exit Through The Gift Shop
5   Grizzly Man
6   Rivers and Tides
7   Dear Zachary
8   Inside Job
9   Shut Up And Sing
10   Young@Heart
11   Bowling For Columbine
12   Encounters at the End of the World
13   From the Earth to the Moon Series
14   Planet Earth
15   In the Shadow of the Moon
16   Don't Look Back
17   Thin Blue Line, The
18   King of Kong, The
19   Anvil! The Story of Anvil
20   My Winnipeg
21   Roger & Me
22   Aristocrats, The
23   Project Grizzly
24    Stranded: I've Come from a Plane That Crashed on the Mountains
25   Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmakers Apocalyspe
26   Corporation, The
27   Deep Water
28   Hoop Dreams
29   Fahrenheit 9/11
30   No Direction Home
31   Trekkies
32   Jesus Camp 
33   When We Were Kings
34   Times of Harvey Milk, The
35   Little Dieter Needs to Fly
36   Woodstock
37   Spellbound
38   War Room, The
39   Baraka
40   Visions of Light 
41   Mr. Death
42   Client 9
43   The Big One
44   The Art of the Steal
45   Looking for Richard
46   Murderball
47   This Film Is Not Yet Rated
48   American Movie
49   Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Leonard Cohen
50   Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media
51   Thinking XXX
52   Helvetica
53   Sicko
54   Religulous
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 12, 2011, 09:46:32 AM
More ballots, please!
I sent one to Bondo in January. That means I'm good for now, right?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: roujin on March 12, 2011, 09:49:20 AM
1. STREETWISE
2. HOOP DREAMS
3. NIGHT AND FOG
4. LOS ANGELES PLAYS ITSELF

6. THE POWER OF NIGHTMARES
7. WHEN THE LEVEES BROKE
8. HIGH SCHOOL II
9. THE MAN WITH THE MOVIE CAMERA
10. SICKO
11. ZOO
12. UP THE YANGTZE
13. CONTROL ROOM
14. WHERE LIES YOUR HIDDEN SMILE?
15. PARIS IS BURNING
16. SANS SOLEIL
17. SINK OR SWIM
18. THE EMPEROR'S NAKED ARMY MARCHES ON
19. THE REVOLUTION WILL NOT BE TELEVISED
20. HIGH SCHOOL
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 12, 2011, 10:26:47 AM
More ballots, please!
I sent one to Bondo in January. That means I'm good for now, right?

Yep, all the initial ballots remain in effect unless you send an updated version.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 12, 2011, 10:39:22 AM
Cool, thanks.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 13, 2011, 03:55:06 AM
36. Let There Be Light  (John Huston, 1946)
(http://i53.tinypic.com/1sba06.jpg)

I'm hoping that, by the end of this process, my list will contain a full hundred films. Thirteen discoveries to go.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 13, 2011, 06:53:06 PM
Your effort is an inspiration.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 14, 2011, 05:22:56 PM
33 people submitted ranked lists of their favorite documentaries. The lists ranged from a single film to a full one hundred films. 959 total votes were cast, with 495 different films receiving at least a single vote. The results of this voting are below (as well as in the first post of this thread, for easy reference).

100 of these 169 shortlisted titles will make our final Top 100 Documentaries list for 2011. Everyone will rate the titles below that they've seen (and remember) on a 1-10 scale. (We'll have an online form for the voting, like the ones smirnoff uses for movie trivia (https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHZqRzFoWFB5N3N3Mk40dnRUdmlzSEE6MQ).) The final ranked list of 100 films will be determined by highest average vote (weighted by the number of people who've seen each film).

If you're like me, you'll probably want to copy the list below into Excel or Notepad or something and start grouping the films into the "10"s, the "9"s, and so on (or just add your rating in a second column). And you'll also want to mark some of the titles that you want to catch up with before voting. To that end, I've included a list of the titles that you can stream on Netflix, as well as some other titles that are available to stream around the web.

pixote



Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist of 169 Films

24 City  (Jia Zhangke, 2008)
The Act of Seeing with One's Own Eyes  (Stan Brakhage, 1971)
Alone in the Wilderness  (Bob Swerer & Bob Swerer Jr., 2004)
American Movie  (Chris Smith, 1999)
American Teen  (Nanette Burstein, 2008)
Anvil! The Story of Anvil  (Sacha Gervasi, 2008)
The Aristocrats  (Paul Provenza, 2005)
At the Death House Door  (Steve James & Peter Gilbert, 2008)
Baraka  (Ron Fricke, 1992)
Baseball  (Ken Burns, 1994)
The Battle of Chile  (Patricio Guzmán, 1975-79)
The Beaches of Agnès  (Agnès Varda, 2008)
Bigger Stronger Faster*  (Chris Bell, 2008)
Bill Cunningham New York  (Richard Press, 2010)
Blood of the Beasts  (Georges Franju, 1949)
Bowling for Columbine  (Michael Moore, 2002)
Bright Leaves  (Ross McElwee, 2003)
Buena Vista Social Club  (Wim Wenders, 1999)
Burden of Dreams  (Les Blank, 1982)
Burma VJ: Reporting from a Closed Country  (Anders Østergaard, 2008)
Bus 174  (José Padilha, 2002)
Capturing the Friedmans  (Andrew Jarecki, 2003)
Catfish  (Henry Joost & Ariel Schulman, 2010)
The Cats of Mirikitani  (Linda Hattendorf, 2006)
The Century of the Self  (Adam Curtis, 2002)
The Children of the Commune  (Juliane Grossheim, 2009)
Children Underground  (Edet Belzberg, 2001)
The Civil War  (Ken Burns, 1990)
Control Room  (Jehane Noujaim, 2004)
The Corporation  (Mark Achbar, 2003)
The Cove  (Louie Psihoyos, 2009)
Crazy Love  (Dan Klores, 2007)
Crisis: Behind a Presidential Commitment  (Robert Drew, 1963)
Crumb  (Terry Zwigoff, 1994)
Daguerréotypes  (Agnès Varda, 1976)
La Danse: The Paris Opera Ballet  (Frederick Wiseman, 2009)
Dark Days  (Marc Singer, 2000)
Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father  (Kurt Kuenne, 2008)
A Decade Under the Influence  (Ted Demme & Richard LaGravenese, 2003)
Deep Water  (Louise Osmond & Jerry Rothwell, 2006)
The Devil and Daniel Johnston  (Jeff Feuerzeig, 2005)
Dogtown and Z-Boys  (Stacy Peralta, 2001)
Dont Look Back  (D.A. Pennebaker, 1967)
The Elephant Will Never Forget  (John Krish, 1953)
The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On  (Hara Kazuo, 1987)
Encounters at the End of the World  (Werner Herzog, 2007)
The Endless Summer II  (Bruce Brown, 1994)
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room  (Alex Gibney, 2005)
Exit Through the Gift Shop  (Banksy, 2010)
Eyes on the Prize  (Henry Hampton, 1987)
F for Fake  (Orson Welles, 1973)
Fahrenheit 9/11  (Michael Moore, 2004)
Fast, Cheap & Out of Control  (Errol Morris, 1997)
The Five Obstructions  (Jørgen Leth & Lars von Trier, 2003)
The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara  (Errol Morris, 2003)
Food, Inc.  (Robert Kenner, 2008)
For All Mankind  (Al Reinert, 1989)
Garbo: The Spy  (Edmon Roch, 2009)
The Garden  (Scott Hamilton Kennedy, 2008)
Gates of Heaven  (Errol Morris, 1978)
Gimme Shelter  (Albert Maysles, David Maysles & Charlotte Zwerin, 1970)
The Gleaners & I  (Agnès Varda, 2000)
The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner  (Werner Herzog, 1974)
Grey Gardens  (David Maysles, Albert Maysles, Ellen Hovde & Muffie Meyer, 1975)
Grizzly Man  (Werner Herzog, 2005)
Harlan County U.S.A.  (Barbara Kopple, 1976)
Hearts and Minds  (Peter Davis, 1974)
Hearts of Darkness: A Filmmaker's Apocalypse  (Fax Bahr & George Hickenlooper, 1991)
Helvetica  (Gary Hustwit, 2007)
High School  (Frederick Wiseman, 1968)
Hold Me Tight, Let Me Go  (Kim Longinotto, 2007)
Hoop Dreams  (Steve James, 1994)
The House Is Black  (Forugh Farrokhzad, 1963)
In the Shadow of the Moon  (David Sington, 2007)
An Inconvenient Truth  (Davis Guggenheim, 2006)
Inside Job  (Charles Ferguson, 2010)
Jackass: The Movie  (Jeff Tremaine, 2002)
Jesus Camp  (Heidi Ewing & Rachel Grady, 2006)
The Kid Stays in the Picture  (Nanette Burstein & Brett Morgen, 2002)
The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters  (Seth Gordon, 2007)
Koyaanisqatsi  (Godfrey Reggio, 1982)
Lake of Fire  (Tony Kaye, 2006)
Land of Silence and Darkness  (Werner Herzog, 1971)
The Last Days  (James Moll, 1998)
The Last Waltz  (Martin Scorsese, 1978)
Little Dieter Needs to Fly  (Werner Herzog, 1998)
Looking for Richard  (Al Pacino, 1996)
Los Angeles Plays Itself  (Thom Andersen, 2003)
Lost in La Mancha  (Keith Fulton & Louis Pepe, 2002)
Man of Aran  (Robert Flaherty, 1934)
Man on Wire  (James Marsh, 2008)
Man with a Movie Camera  (Dziga Vertov, 1929)
Memorandum  (Donald Brittain & John Spotton, 1967)
Metallica: Some Kind of Monster  (Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky, 2004)
Murder on a Sunday Morning  (Jean-Xavier de Lestrade, 2001)
Murderball  (Henry Alex Rubin & Dana Adam Shapiro, 2005)
My Best Fiend: Klaus Kinski  (Werner Herzog, 1999)
My Kid Could Paint That  (Amir Bar-Lev, 2007)
My Winnipeg  (Guy Maddin, 2007)
The Mystery of Picasso  (Henri-Georges Clouzot, 1956)
Nanook of the North  (Robert Flaherty, 1922)
Near Death  (Frederick Wiseman, 1989)
New York Doll  (Greg Whiteley, 2005)
Night and Fog  (Alain Resnais, 1955)
Night Mail  (Harry Watt & Basil Wright, 1936)
Nightmares in Red, White and Blue: The Evolution of the American Horror Film  (Andrew Monument, 2009)
No Direction Home: Bob Dylan  (Martin Scorsese, 2005)
No End in Sight  (Charles Ferguson, 2007)
Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!  (Mark Hartley, 2008)
One Day in September  (Kevin Macdonald, 1999)
Operation Filmmaker  (Nina Davenport, 2007)
Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills  (Joe Berlinger & Bruce Sinofsky, 1996)
Paris Is Burning  (Jennie Livingston, 1990)
Perversion for Profit  (Charles Keating, 1965)
Planet Earth  (Alastair Fothergill, 2006)
The Power of Nightmares: The Rise of the Politics of Fear  (Adam Curtis, 2004)
Primary  (Robert Drew, 1960)
Public Housing  (Frederick Wiseman, 1997)
The Red Chapel  (Mads Brügger, 2009)
Religulous  (Larry Charles, 2008)
Restrepo  (Tim Hetherington & Sebastian Junger, 2010)
Riding Giants  (Stacy Peralta, 2004)
Roger & Me  (Michael Moore, 1989)
Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired  (Marina Zenovich, 2008)
Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage  (Sam Dunn & Scot McFadyen, 2010)
Ryan  (Chris Landreth, 2004)
Salesman  (Albert Maysles, David Maysles & Charlotte Zwerin, 1968)
Sans soleil  (Chris Marker, 1983)
Scratch  (Doug Pray, 2001)
Sherman's March  (Ross McElwee, 1986)
Shoah  (Claude Lanzmann, 1985)
Shut Up & Sing  (Barbara Kopple & Cecilia Peck, 2006)
Sicko  (Michael Moore, 2007)
La Soufrière  (Werner Herzog, 1977)
Spellbound  (Jeffrey Blitz, 2002)
Standard Operating Procedure  (Errol Morris, 2008)
State Legislature  (Frederick Wiseman, 2007)
Stevie  (Steve James, 2002)
Stop Making Sense  (Jonathan Demme, 1984)
Stranded: I've Come from a Plane That Crashed on the Mountains  (Gonzalo Arijon, 2007)
Street Fight  (Marshall Curry, 2005)
Streetwise  (Martin Bell, 1984)
Style Wars  (Henry Chalfant & Tony Silver, 1984)
Super Size Me  (Morgan Spurlock, 2004)
Survivors of the Holocaust  (Allan Holzman, 1996)
Ted Baryluk's Grocery  (Mike Mirus & John Paskievich, 1982)
They Took Us to the Sea  (John Krish, 1961)
The Thin Blue Line  (Errol Morris, 1988)
This Film Is Not Yet Rated  (Kirby Dick, 2006)
A Time for Burning  (Barbara Connell & Bill Jersey, 1967)
The Times of Harvey Milk  (Rob Epstein, 1984)
Titicut Follies  (Frederick Wiseman, 1967)
Touching the Void  (Kevin Macdonald, 2003)
Trekkies  (Roger Nygard, 1997)
The Two Escobars  (Jeff Zimbalist & Michael Zimbalist, 2010)
The Up Series  (Paul Almond & Michael Apted, 1964-2005)
Up the Yangtze  (Yung Chang, 2007)
Vernon, Florida  (Errol Morris, 1981)
Visions of Light: The Art of Cinematography  (Arnold Glassman, Todd McCarthy, & Stuart Samuels, 1992)
Waltz with Bashir  (Ari Folman, 2008)
The Weather Underground  (Sam Green & Bill Siegel, 2002)
Welfare  (Frederick Wiseman, 1975)
When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts  (Spike Lee, 2006)
When We Were Kings  (Leon Gast, 1996)
Winged Migration  (Jacques Perrin, 2001)
Woodstock  (Michael Wadleigh, 1970)
Wordplay  (Patrick Creadon, 2006)
Young@Heart  (Stephen Walker, 2007)
Zoo  (Robinson Devor, 2007)



Titles Available to Stream Online
[noembed]Blood of the Beasts — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFAUA8_mfXs)
The Elephant Will Never Forget — London Transport Museum (http://www.ltmcollection.org/films/film/film.html?IXfilm=FLO.0009&_IXSESSION_=SCyDuz2kqj0)
Los Angeles Plays Itself — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SNc41zyLJ0)
Memorandum — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/film/Memorandum/)
Night Mail — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_oekWnniDU)
Perversion for Profit — archive.org (http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965)
Ryan — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/hd/ryan/)
Streetwise — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZERDYwSUgCE)
Ted Baryluk's Grocery — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/film/ted_baryluks_grocery)[/noembed]


Titles Available to Stream from Netflix
The Beaches of Agnès
Bigger Stronger Faster*
Bright Leaves
Buena Vista Social Club
Burden of Dreams
Capturing the Friedmans
The Cats of Mirikitani
The Civil War
The Corporation
The Cove
Crazy Love
Deep Water
Dogtown and Z-Boys
Encounters at the End of the World
Enron: The Smartest Guys in the Room
Exit Through the Gift Shop
F for Fake
The Five Obstructions
Food, Inc.
Gates of Heaven
The Gleaners & I
The Great Ecstasy of Woodcarver Steiner
Grey Gardens
Harlan County U.S.A.
Hearts and Minds
Helvetica
Hoop Dreams
Jesus Camp
Land of Silence and Darkness
Lost in La Mancha
Man on Wire
Man with a Movie Camera
My Winnipeg
Nightmares in Red, White and Blue: The Evolution of the American Horror Film
No End in Sight
Not Quite Hollywood: The Wild, Untold Story of Ozploitation!
Restrepo
Roger & Me
Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired
Sans soleil
Sherman's March
La Soufrière
Stranded: I've Come from a Plane That Crashed on the Mountains
Street Fight
Super Size Me
The Thin Blue Line
This Film Is Not Yet Rated
Touching the Void
The Up Series [partial]
Up the Yangtze
Vernon, Florida
The Weather Underground


Directors with Multiple Shortlisted Films
Frederick Wiseman — 7
Werner Herzog — 7
Errol Morris — 6
Michael Moore — 4
Agnès Varda — 3
Albert Maysles — 3
David Maysles — 3
Steve James — 3
Adam Curtis — 2
Barbara Kopple — 2
Bruce Sinofsky — 2
Charles Ferguson — 2
Charlotte Zwerin — 2
Joe Berlinger — 2
John Krish — 2
Ken Burns — 2
Kevin Macdonald — 2
Martin Scorsese — 2
Nanette Burstein — 2
Robert Drew — 2
Robert Flaherty — 2
Ross McElwee — 2
Stacy Peralta — 2


Shortlisted Films by Year

1922:  1
1929:  1
1934:  1
1936:  1
1949:  1
1953:  1
1955:  1
1956:  1
Total:  8

1960:  1
1961:  1
1963:  2
1965:  1
1967:  4
1968:  2
Total:  11

1970:  2
1971:  2
1973:  1
1974:  2
1975:  3
1976:  2
1977:  1
1978:  2
Total:  15

1981:  1
1982:  3
1983:  1
1984:  5
1985:  1
1986:  1
1987:  2
1988:  1
1989:  3
Total:  18

1990:  2
1991:  1
1992:  2
1994:  4
1996:  4
1997:  3
1998:  2
1999:  4
Total:  22

2000:  2
2001:  5
2002:  9
2003:  8
2004:  8
2005:  8
Total:  40

2006:  10
2007:  16
2008:  16
2009:  6
2010:  7
Total:  55

Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 14, 2011, 05:28:18 PM
I guess I should have at least read about the proceedings. I could have at least just wrote in and put Rivers and Tides on a list by itself.


Still, this list gives me a good idea of what documentaries I should check out...once I figure out how to get rid of all the political ones.  :P
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 14, 2011, 05:32:53 PM
If only someone would order them by runtime.  :-*
Yeah, that's a dream I share. But, for starters, a lot of the shorts are listed here:

Titles Available to Stream Online
[noembed]Blood of the Beasts — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFAUA8_mfXs)
The Elephant Will Never Forget — London Transport Museum (http://www.ltmcollection.org/films/film/film.html?IXfilm=FLO.0009&_IXSESSION_=SCyDuz2kqj0)
Memorandum — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/film/Memorandum/)
Night Mail — YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_oekWnniDU)
Perversion for Profit — archive.org (http://www.archive.org/details/Perversi1965)
Ryan — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/hd/ryan/)
Ted Baryluk's Grocery — NFB (http://www.nfb.ca/film/ted_baryluks_grocery)[/noembed]
Marathon!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 14, 2011, 06:03:03 PM
Brilliant effort as usual. Thanks for breaking it down and copying it to the first page.

Time for me to prioritize!

Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 14, 2011, 06:42:01 PM
Here, if you're interested, are the films that didn't make the shortlist:

170. Who Killed the Electric Car? (12 points, 4 votes)
171. Lonely Boy (12 points, 3 votes)
172. Good Hair (12 points, 2 votes)
172. Microcosmos (12 points, 2 votes)
174. 4th Revolution, The - Energy Autonomy (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Arbiters, Les (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Auf der Suche nach dem Gedächtnis (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Battle of San Pietro, The (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Beales of Grey Gardens, The (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Broke. (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Business of Being Born (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Domestic Violence (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Foreigners out! Schlingensiefs Container (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Golub (12 points, 1 vote)
174. High School II (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Life of Birds, The (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Lion in the House, A (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Married Couple, A (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Middletown (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Paradise Lost 2: Revelations (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Paul Tomkowicz: Street Railway Switchman (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Primate (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Prodigal Sons (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Rivers and Tides (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Sick Around The World (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Silverlake Life: The View from Here (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Staircase, The (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Tarnation (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Tongues United (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Trap, The: What Happened To Our Dream of Freedom (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Warrendale (12 points, 1 vote)
174. Way Things Go, The (12 points, 1 vote)
202. Comedian (11 points, 5 votes)
203. Mr. Death (11 points, 3 votes)
204. Être et avoir (11 points, 2 votes)
204. Pixar Story, The (11 points, 2 votes)
204. Revolution Will Not Be Televised, The (11 points, 2 votes)
204. Unforgivable Blackness (11 points, 2 votes)
204. Why We Fight (11 points, 2 votes)
209. Cinemania (10 points, 2 votes)
209. Thrilla In Manila (10 points, 2 votes)
211. Bag It (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Celluloid Closet, The (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Cesar's Bark Canoe (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Deliver Us From Evil (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Divorce Iranian Style (10 points, 1 vote)
211. First Contact (10 points, 1 vote)
211. From the Earth to the Moon (10 points, 1 vote)
211. It Might Get Loud (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Jacquot du Nantes (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Jane B. par Agnes V. (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Judgment Day: Intelligent Design on Trial (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Let's Get Lost (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Moi, Un Noir (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Our School (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Prince's Sign of the Times (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Rembrandt's J'Accuse (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Sympathy for the Devil (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Warning, The (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Wedlock House: An Intercourse (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Where Lies Your Hidden Smile? (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Window Water Baby Moving (10 points, 1 vote)
211. Wisconsin Death Trip (10 points, 1 vote)
233. Capitalism: A Love Story (9 points, 3 votes)
233. Pumping Iron (9 points, 3 votes)
235. Maîtres fous, Les (9 points, 2 votes)
235. Olympia (9 points, 2 votes)
235. Taxi to the Dark Side (9 points, 2 votes)
235. What the Bleep Do We Know? (9 points, 2 votes)
239. Big One, The (8 points, 3 votes)
239. Hell House (8 points, 3 votes)
239. Jackass 2 (8 points, 3 votes)
242. Arrival of a Train at La Ciotat (8 points, 2 votes)
242. Client 9 (8 points, 2 votes)
242. Overnight (8 points, 2 votes)
242. Trials of Henry Kissinger, The (8 points, 2 votes)
242. War Room, The (8 points, 2 votes)
242. White Diamond, The (8 points, 2 votes)
248. Amsterdam Global Village (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Antonio Gaudi (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Collapse (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Fall of Fujimori, The (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Filth and the Fury, The (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Inside Deep Throat (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Jodorowsky Constellation (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Long Holiday, The (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Obama's Deal (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Of Time and the City (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Oil City Confidential (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Our Beloved Month of August (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Pinochet Case, The (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Sink or Swim (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Sweetgrass (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Two Spirits (8 points, 1 vote)
248. You Are on Indian Land (8 points, 1 vote)
248. Zabruder Film of Kennedy Assassination (8 points, 1 vote)
266. Listen to Britain (7 points, 3 votes)
267. Jonestown (7 points, 2 votes)
267. Mad Hot Ballroom (7 points, 2 votes)
267. Powers of Ten (7 points, 2 votes)
267. Sorrow and the Pity, The (7 points, 2 votes)
267. Twist of Faith (7 points, 2 votes)
267. We Live In Public (7 points, 2 votes)
273. Cocaine Cowboys (6 points, 2 votes)
273. Devil’s Playground (6 points, 2 votes)
273. General Idi Amin Dada (6 points, 2 votes)
273. Imagine: John Lennon (6 points, 2 votes)
273. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Leonard Cohen (6 points, 2 votes)
273. Most Dangerous Man in America, The (6 points, 2 votes)
273. No Crossover: The Trial of Allen Iverson (6 points, 2 votes)
273. Thinking XXX (6 points, 2 votes)
281. Ask Me, Don't Tell Me (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Chronicle of a Summer (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Common Threads: Stories From The Quilt (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Cooking History (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Cree Hunters of Mistassini (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Fata Morgana (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Gonzo (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Guerilla: The Taking of Patty Hearst (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Hospital (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Images d'Ostende (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Mondo Cane (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Mugabe and the White African (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Mysterious Object at Noon (6 points, 1 vote)
281. On Any Sunday (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Pandora's Box (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Project Grizzly (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Slingshot Hip-Hop (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Sonicsgate (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Superman of Malegaon (6 points, 1 vote)
281. West 47th Street (6 points, 1 vote)
281. West of the Tracks (6 points, 1 vote)
281. Wild Blue Yonder (6 points, 1 vote)
303. American Dream (5 points, 2 votes)
303. March of the Penguins (5 points, 2 votes)
303. Monterey Pop (5 points, 2 votes)
303. Outfoxed (5 points, 2 votes)
303. Private Life of a Cat, The (5 points, 2 votes)
303. Slasher (5 points, 2 votes)
303. Stanley Kubrick: A Life in Pictures (5 points, 2 votes)
310. Best Worst Movie (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Card Party (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Cropsey (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Gaea Girls (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Goebbels Experiment, The (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Grin Without a Cat, A (5 points, 1 vote)
310. I.O.U.S.A. (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Land without Break (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Making the Shining (5 points, 1 vote)
310. New Mayor, The (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Playground (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Pour la Suite du Monde (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Rough Aunties (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Symbiopsychotaxiplasm: Take One (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Toute la memoire du monde (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Why We Fight [Capra Series] (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Wrestling (5 points, 1 vote)
310. Yes Men Fix The World, The (5 points, 1 vote)
328. 11th Hour, The (4 points, 2 votes)
328. Art of the Steal, The (4 points, 2 votes)
328. Berlin: Symphony of a Great City (4 points, 2 votes)
328. Decline of Western Civilization, The (4 points, 2 votes)
328. Tokyo Olympiad (4 points, 2 votes)
328. Tyson (4 points, 2 votes)
334. Believe: The Eddie Izzard Story (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Brother's Keeper (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Chicago Maternity Center (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Cry of the Wild (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Dig! (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Farm, The: Life Inside Angola Prison (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Go Tigers! (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Golden Gloves (4 points, 1 vote)
334. In My Hands: A Story of Marfan Syndrome (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Law and Order (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Lynch (One) (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Mother’s Courage, A (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Muhammad Ali: The Greatest (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Postcards from the Future (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Runaway (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Shipyard (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Snowshoers, The (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Sound and Fury (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Things I Cannot Change, The (4 points, 1 vote)
334. Two Laws (4 points, 1 vote)
334. VTR St-Jacques (4 points, 1 vote)
355. War Dance (3 points, 2 votes)
356. American Pimp (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Ballad of a Little Soldier (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Best Boy (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Beyond the Mat (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Billy Crane Moves Away (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Black Harvest (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Body and Soul: Diana and Kathy (3 points, 1 vote)
356. CKY (3 points, 1 vote)
356. CKY2K (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Clash: Westway to the World, The (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Comedians of Comedy, The (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Countdown To Zero (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Du côté de la côte (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Dying (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Dying at Grace (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Failure to Protect (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Fall from Grace (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Forever (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Garrison Keillor: The Man on Radio in Red Shoes (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Ghosts of Rwanda (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Grass: A Nation's Battle for Life (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Hitman Heart: Wrestling With Shadows (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Hotel Terminus: The Life and Times of Klaus Barbie (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Housing Problems (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Inside Rooms: 26 Bathrooms, London & Oxfordshire, 1985 (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Joe Leahy's Neighbors (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Joy Division (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Last Man Standing: Politics – Texas Style (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Lessons of Darkness (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Line of Beauty and Grace (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Love Life of the Octopus, The (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Manhatta (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Manufacturing Consent: Noam Chomsky and the Media (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Memory for Max, Claire, Ida and Company (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Michael Moore Hates America (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Middle Sexes (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Miscreants of Taliwood, The (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Mooney vs. Fowle (3 points, 1 vote)
356. My Architect (3 points, 1 vote)
356. My Brother's Keeper (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Nanking (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Oath, The (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Personal Journey with Martin Scorsese Through American Movies, A (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Plow That Broke the Plains (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Porn Star: The Legend of Ron Jeremy (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Portrait of Jason (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Rize (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Shinjuku Boys (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Sick Around America (3 points, 1 vote)
356. South of the Border (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Trinidad (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Triumph of the Will (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Union, The (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Unknown White Male (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Waco: The Rules of Engagement (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Where In The World is Osama bin Laden? (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Winning Time (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Workers Leaving The Lumière Factory in Lyon (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Workingman's Death (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Yes Men, The (3 points, 1 vote)
356. Z Channel: A Magnificent Obsession (3 points, 1 vote)
418. ABC Africa (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Afghan Star (2 points, 1 vote)
418. aka Don Bonus (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Art and Copy (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Baadaasss (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Bells from the Deep (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Bergman Island (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Bhutto (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Bridge, The (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Buying the War (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Case of the Grinning Cat, The (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Concert of Wills: Making the Getty Center (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Day in the Death of Donny B, A (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Dear America: Letters from Vietnam (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Fab Five, The (2 points, 1 vote)
418. CINECAST!! (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Garden, The [Gan] (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Gray's Anatomy (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Hamster Factor and Other Tales of Twelve Monkeys, The (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Hands on a Hard Body (2 points, 1 vote)
418. I Knew It Was You (2 points, 1 vote)
418. In The Realms of the Unreal (2 points, 1 vote)
418. In the Year of the Pig (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Joan Rivers: A Piece of Work (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Jordan Rides the Bus (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Jupiter's Wife (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Kinoglaz (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Meeting People Is Easy (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Milk In the Land, Ballad of an American Drink (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Muhammad and Larry (2 points, 1 vote)
418. My Enemy’s Enemy (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Nuclear Family (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Perfect Candidate, A (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Prisoner of Paradise (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Regret to Inform (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Transcendent Man (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Visual Acoustics (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Walmart: The High Cost of Low Prices (2 points, 1 vote)
418. Wodaabe: Herdsmen of the Sun (2 points, 1 vote)
457. 51 Birch Street (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Animals Are Beautiful People (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Architecture of Doom, The (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Better Living Through Circuitry (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Body of War (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Brooklyn Bridge (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Camden 28, The (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Confessions of a Superhero (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Crude (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Echoes from a Somber Empire (1 point, 1 vote)
457. First Love (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Forest of Bliss (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Forgiving Dr. Mengele (1 point, 1 vote)
457. From Stump to Ship (1 point, 1 vote)
457. From The East (1 point, 1 vote)
457. God Grew Tired of Us (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Haxan (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Her Name Is Sabine (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Hora de los Hornos, La (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Inferno (HGC) (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Kings Ransom (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Koko, a Talking Gorilla (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Liberation of Auschwitz, The (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Machete Maidens Unleashed! (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Objectified (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Oceans (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Original Kings of Comedy, The (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Outrage (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Road To Guantanamo, The (1 point, 1 vote)
457. S21: The Khmer Rouge Killing Machine (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Salim Baba (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Small Potatoes: Who Killed the USFL? (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Straight out of LA (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Super High Me (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Target for Tonight (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Tokyo-Ga (1 point, 1 vote)
457. U, The (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Werner Herzog Eats His Shoe (1 point, 1 vote)
457. Yes: 9012 Live (1 point, 1 vote)


Some good stuff there. Might make a good selection for a future MDC theme.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on March 14, 2011, 07:20:52 PM
And you'll also want to mark some of the titles that you want to catch up with before voting.

Oh man, I wish I had time to do that.  I'm trying to like crazy to clear all the movies off my plate so I can put in some good ol' videogame time.  Depending on when the deadline is, I might try to squeeze a few in.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 14, 2011, 07:23:02 PM
Wiseman groupies :)

Herzog and Morris groupies :(
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 14, 2011, 10:13:57 PM
next time I wanna see more votes for the Zapruder film.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 14, 2011, 10:20:50 PM
I guess we know who has way too much free time on their hands.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: AAAutin on March 14, 2011, 10:49:44 PM
Well, I, for one, very much appreciate those productive times. And pixote? Man, you're the best. You know how long I've been waiting to see LOS ANGELES PLAYS ITSELF? And to think: all this time, I could have just performed a simple search on YouTube...
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 14, 2011, 11:09:50 PM
I figured out how to do a table. Productive times!

xoxo.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 14, 2011, 11:42:19 PM
"Daybreak Express" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMvB3RvSHmk#ws)
Watching The Elephant Will Never Forget reminded me that I forgot to include this early Pennebaker short on my list.

edit: Eh, it's really more of an experimental short than a doc short. Still good, though.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oldkid on March 15, 2011, 12:38:20 AM
Neat little "making of" The Elephant Will Never Forget

John Krish on 'The Elephant Will Never Forget' (1953) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljcIZhtukd8#ws)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 15, 2011, 12:55:07 AM
Nice find, oldkid.

I've seen a few more than half of the shortlisted films. So far I have:

11 films I'll rate 10.0
19 films I'll rate 9.0
17 films I'll rate 8.0
16 films I'll rate 7.0
9 films I'll rate 6.0
7 films I'll rate 5.0
3 films I'll rate 4.0
1 film I'll rate 3.0
1 film I'll rate 1.0
5 films I'd like to rewatch before rating

So 86% of the films I've seen were worthwhile watches (at the very least). Hooray for our shortlist!

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 15, 2011, 02:47:51 AM
next time I wanna see more votes for the Zapruder film.

I have no idea if I've seen the whole film or not. *checks* Is it really only 26.6 seconds long? Hmm, then yeah, I guess I could have voted for it.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on March 15, 2011, 02:49:05 AM
Être et Avoir not making the list is a shock. Where Duder be at?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ProperCharlie on March 15, 2011, 06:12:15 AM
Thanks Bondo and pix for the hard work.

I've just realised there's a big miss on my list that no one else nominated.   Oops. 

Doing a quick count I think I've seen 27 of them.  About to embark on the online streaming marathon, two more on the way from LoveFilm with four more on DVD ready at home.  Looks like a doc heavy month.

Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: roujin on March 15, 2011, 06:42:03 AM
Être et Avoir not making the list is a shock. Where Duder be at?

Worshipping at the throne of Christiano Ronaldo.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 15, 2011, 08:50:04 AM
11 films I'll rate 10.0
19 films I'll rate 9.0
17 films I'll rate 8.0
16 films I'll rate 7.0
9 films I'll rate 6.0
7 films I'll rate 5.0
3 films I'll rate 4.0
1 film I'll rate 3.0
1 film I'll rate 1.0
5 films I'd like to rewatch before rating

89 seen so far

10: 4
9: 4
8: 18
7: 25
6: 14
5: 11
4: 6
3: 2
2: 4
1: 1

Might have to practice a little grade inflation because I think my rating style tends to be a bit stricter than some.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on March 15, 2011, 09:03:46 AM
next time I wanna see more votes for the Zapruder film.

I have no idea if I've seen the whole film or not. *checks* Is it really only 26.6 seconds long? Hmm, then yeah, I guess I could have voted for it.

pixote

yeah, if you've seen JFK I think you've seen it in its entirety and a certain segment at least several times more than that
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 15, 2011, 09:28:47 AM
Thanks for that list flieger, v helpful.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on March 15, 2011, 10:47:53 AM
Zapruder didnt seem documentary enough to me.

Got some homework...I also will need to exercise some point inflation.

Whens the deadline for scoring movies Ive seen?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 15, 2011, 10:51:58 AM
I reckon we post the link to the form on 4/8 and have submissions due by 4/16 with an eye toward announcing the final list by the end of April. So you've got a month left to catch up on things.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 15, 2011, 01:35:24 PM
89 seen so far

10: 4
9: 4
8: 18
7: 25
6: 14
5: 11
4: 6
3: 2
2: 4
1: 1

Might have to practice a little grade inflation because I think my rating style tends to be a bit stricter than some.

Wait, everyone's Top 5 made the shortlist. So you're saying your fifth favorite doc of all time is only a 9?

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 15, 2011, 01:38:15 PM
1 film I'll rate 1.0
Ted Baryluk's?  :'(
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 15, 2011, 01:40:13 PM
Wait, everyone's Top 5 made the shortlist. So you're saying your fifth favorite doc of all time is only a 9?

pixote

Yep. 10 is reserved for a top-150 kind of film and I'd only have 4 docs in that range. Also, 10 is apparently a useless rating for me, hence the need for grade inflation. :) I did lose a lot of my 9/10 docs when we reset the shortlist.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 15, 2011, 01:42:05 PM
1 film I'll rate 1.0
Ted Baryluk's?  :'(

lol, Ted was good. Crazy Love, on the other hand, is maybe my least favorite doc of all time.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: mañana on March 15, 2011, 01:45:10 PM
Phew.

I've never heard of Crazy Love. I assume it's about the making of a Michael Buble album, which sounds really scary.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 15, 2011, 01:50:36 PM
Yep. 10 is reserved for a top-150 kind of film and I'd only have 4 docs in that range.
This makes it sound like you have a quota for 10s. Like, a film might be perfectly great, but if you've seen 150 better films, you're forced to downgrade it to a 9. I don't get that. Great is great.

What holds The Fog of War back, for you?

I've never heard of Crazy Love. I assume it's about the making of a Michael Buble album, which sounds really scary.
Back when I watched Crazy Love, I wrote (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=1873.msg75617#msg75617), "Wow, that was not good.  The five-second appearance by William Kuntsler (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kunstler) made me think, Damn, why couldn't he have been the subject of this film?  That was the height of my interest." So then Kunstler's daughters read that and made William Kunstler: Disturbing the Universe, which was indeed much better.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 15, 2011, 01:57:21 PM
What holds The Fog of War back, for you?

Senility or having not seen it for a long time. It will probably get a 10 from me. These were just preliminary ratings anyway. I figure all ratings are ultimately relative. The definition of 10 is better than 9. *shrugs*
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 15, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
What holds The Fog of War back, for you?

Senility or having not seen it for a long time. It will probably get a 10 from me. These were just preliminary ratings anyway. I figure all ratings are ultimately relative. The definition of 10 is better than 9. *shrugs*

Fair enough.  :)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on March 15, 2011, 05:33:29 PM
Seen: 68 out of 169

   out of 10      # of films   
   10      10   
   9      5   
   8      4   
   7      19   
   6      11   
   5      7   
   4      3   
   3      9   
   2      0   
   1      0   
   0      0   
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: AAAutin on March 15, 2011, 08:36:22 PM
Seen: 76/169 (so far)

10s: 5
 9s: 13
 8s: 15
 7s: 25
 6s: 11
 5s: 6
 4s: 1
 3s: 0
 2s: 0
 1s: 0
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on March 15, 2011, 10:54:42 PM
I think this says more about imdb than us, but only 20 of the top 50 docs (according to iCheckMovies.com's imdb associated doc list) are on our shortlist. They don't have any Wiseman or Herzog, ergo their list is invalid.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on March 16, 2011, 12:00:32 AM
I've seen 85.  I'll try to catch a few more before the deadline, there's some I've been wanting to see for a long time anyway.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 16, 2011, 02:56:19 AM
Because I'm curious, here are the Top 50 Notable Docs according to IMDb (with notable being defined as 'whatever sounds right to pixote'). Too many of the top titles are tv mini-series and series (Planet Earth, Cosmos, Civil War, Eyes on the Prize, Buster Keaton: A Hard Act to Follow, The Power of Nightmares, all that Attenborough crap), so I'm just going to skip those. I'm also skipping anything that seems like it might be rated high only because it's so new (Presumed Guilty, the 30 for 30 docs, et al.). And no special interest docs.

1. The Memory of Justice (1976)
2. Welfare (1975)
3. Tie Xi Qu: West of Tracks (2003)
4. Night and Fog (1955)
5. A Lion in the House (2006)
6. The Moontrap (1963)
7. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008)
8. The Weavers: Wasn't That a Time (1982)
9. The Cove (2009)
10. My Flesh and Blood (2003)
11. The Battle of Chile (1975-1979)
12. Grin Without a Cat (1977)
13. The Sorrow and the Pity (1969)
14. Juvenile Court (1973)
15. Lake of Fire (2006)
16. Hearts and Minds (1974)
17. Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills (1996)
18. Promises (2001)
19. Company: Original Cast Album (1970)
20. The Times of Harvey Milk (1984)
21. Man with a Movie Camera (1929)
22. Harlan County U.S.A. (1976)
23. Pictures of the Old World (1972)
24. Common Threads: Stories from the Quilt (1989)
25. No End in Sight (2007)
26. Misère au Borinage (1933)
27. Isle of Flowers (1990)
28. White Light/Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki (2007)
29. The Up Series (1964-2005)
30. Baraka (1992)
31. Point of Order (1964)
32. Golden Gloves (1961)
33. Anne Frank Remembered (1995)
34. Warrendale (1967)
35. The Revolution Will Not Be Televised (2003)
36. The King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters (2007)
37. The Fog of War: Eleven Lessons from the Life of Robert S. McNamara (2003)
38. Please Vote for Me (2007)
39. Hôtel Terminus (1988)
40. Letter from Siberia (1957)
41. Dying at Grace (2003)
42. The Ra Expeditions (1972)
43. My Voyage to Italy (1999)
44. The Vanishing Prairie (1954)
45. Sicko (2007)
46. Serengeti (1959)
47. Four Seasons (1975)
48. Winter Soldier (1972)
49. The Corporation (2003)
50. Primate (1974)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: worm@work on March 16, 2011, 04:17:40 AM
Thanks for all your hardwork, pix. I feel terrible about not sending in a list in time but pretty much everything I had in mind seems to have made it to the final list anyway. So great job, filmspotters!

I love seeing all the Varda docs and am really glad The Emperor's Naked Army Marches On made it. The 4 docs that I wish I could've helped get on the list are Jacquot du Nantes, Chronicle of a Summer, Etre et Avoir and Mysterious Object at Noon (although that last one I don't even necessarily think of purely as a doc for some reason).

I've only seen about 1/3rd of those that made the list. So I have a lot of catching up to do so am glad you plan on waiting a couple of months before the final rating process. Can I still rate the ones I've watched even though I didn't send in an initial ballot?
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on March 16, 2011, 04:19:02 AM
Can I still rate the ones I've watched even though I didn't send in an initial ballot?

For sure.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on March 16, 2011, 10:29:59 AM
Mysterious Object at Noon (although that last one I don't even necessarily think of purely as a doc for some reason)

I'd have put it on my list if I thought of it as a doc, but it's too borderline.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on April 04, 2011, 10:17:42 PM
Just a reminder, I'm going to take the rating form live in a couple days at which point you will have a week to fill it out. Get those final docs watched.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on April 04, 2011, 11:06:35 PM
Just a reminder, I'm going to take the rating form live in a couple days at which point you will have a week to fill it out. Get those final docs watched.

Ack, I haven't done any catching up at all.  Meanwhile the movies are starting to stack up around here again.  Maybe I'll watch a few of the shorter, streaming ones at work tomorrow.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on April 06, 2011, 07:32:59 PM
Go to this page (https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHpPYVgyLXVUa0pBX05sZm9kZnhrVUE6MQ#gid=4) and rate all the shortlist films you have seen on a 1-10 scale.

You have until April 16th, 2011 to submit your rankings form.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ProperCharlie on April 09, 2011, 03:17:58 PM
Form submitted  :)

There's one small problem with the form.  If you accidentally rank a film you haven't seen, there's no way (that I could find) to deselect the ranking without clearing the form and starting from scratch.  Luckily, this only happened to me after I'd ranked five films.  It could have been considerably more frustrating...

I hereby swear off all documentaries for at least two months. 

Time to watch Mamma Mia!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on April 09, 2011, 03:37:31 PM
Sent!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on April 09, 2011, 04:33:13 PM
PC, I hear you, it is annoying but that is how Google designed it.

To anybody else, if you make an error on the form let me know and I can correct it in the results in the spreadsheet.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on April 11, 2011, 01:50:09 PM
Cast my votes.

Bondo, you can erase my "1" vote for Riding Giants.  Accidentally clicked it, I haven't seen it.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oldkid on April 12, 2011, 02:46:25 AM
I was going to try to watch a couple other docs, but Lake of Fire burned me out.  Form sent.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Thor on April 12, 2011, 08:42:31 AM
Such an odd list. But I voted!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ProperCharlie on April 12, 2011, 10:48:08 AM
Having sworn off docs, I've managed to watch two (by accident) in the last 24 hours. 

Help, I think I may have an doc-addiction problem.   ;D
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on April 16, 2011, 03:31:21 PM
One day left to rate the documentaries (https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHpPYVgyLXVUa0pBX05sZm9kZnhrVUE6MQ#gid=4)!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Antares on April 16, 2011, 05:21:51 PM
I hadn't seen this thread before today, I wish I had.

I was shocked  to see The Sorrow and the Pity and Triumph of the Will missing from that list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: jbissell on April 18, 2011, 10:10:25 AM
Whoops, forgot about voting. Oh well.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on April 18, 2011, 10:54:40 AM
Whoops, forgot about voting. Oh well.

the site's still live... dunno if Bondo is still taking votes though.  Still haven't finished my taxes either.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on April 19, 2011, 12:10:33 PM
Ok, I'm officially done accepting ratings. We got 24 people to rate films. Because of ties (which are fairly common given the way the scoring is produced) there are 101 films on the list. Proof that the list is an authentic depiction of the forum's views and that I did not tamper with the results is that I'm not very pleased with the results. You people are a bunch of hipsters. :P

One film was seen by everyone. Three films from the shortlist was seen by no one who participated in phase 2 (so it goes without saying they aren't on the final list). Of the top-100, one film (barely) made it with just 2 (perfect) votes, so I think the weighted average system worked pretty well at balancing popularity and visibility.

I'm gonna start working on the list presentation this weekend and hope for an chat announcement toward the end of the month. Thanks to everyone who participated in either or both phases. Once the whole thing is done we'll be looking into feedback on how you like this system of list making.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oneaprilday on April 19, 2011, 12:14:04 PM
Thanks for doing this, Bondo! Looking forward to seeing the list.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: MartinTeller on April 19, 2011, 12:26:41 PM
One film was seen by everyone.

I gonna guess Exit Through the Gift Shop.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Jared on April 19, 2011, 01:27:45 PM
I love a good documentary, but didnt find the urge to mow down a ton of them prior to voting. Watched a half dozen or so before the shortlist then lost steam (and went to watch about 30 film noirs  :) )

The "not pleased with the results" comment has me intrigued.
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oldkid on April 19, 2011, 02:21:48 PM
Thanks for doing this, Bondo! Looking forward to seeing the list.
:)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on April 19, 2011, 02:22:01 PM
I look forward to the results!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ProperCharlie on April 19, 2011, 02:30:47 PM
Wow, thanks for all the hard work Bondo.  Looking forward to the results.   :)
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on April 20, 2011, 05:21:47 PM
There's still a little more time to vote. Get your lists in by the end of the day on Friday. Help us break some of these ties and help make sure the list is as accurate a representation of our collective tastes as possible.

Vote here! (https://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHpPYVgyLXVUa0pBX05sZm9kZnhrVUE6MQ#gid=4)

And, heck, if you're too lazy to enter your votes on the form, I'll happily do it for you. Just take the list below, delete the films you haven't seen, and then group the rest into the ones you'd rate a 10, the ones you'd rate a 9, etc.

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: pixote on April 23, 2011, 04:50:58 AM
Ok, I'm officially done accepting ratings. We got 24 people to rate films. Because of ties (which are fairly common given the way the scoring is produced) there are 101 films on the list. Proof that the list is an authentic depiction of the forum's views and that I did not tamper with the results is that I'm not very pleased with the results. You people are a bunch of hipsters. :P

One film was seen by everyone. Three films from the shortlist was seen by no one who participated in phase 2 (so it goes without saying they aren't on the final list). Of the top-100, one film (barely) made it with just 2 (perfect) votes, so I think the weighted average system worked pretty well at balancing popularity and visibility.

I'm gonna start working on the list presentation this weekend and hope for an chat announcement toward the end of the month. Thanks to everyone who participated in either or both phases. Once the whole thing is done we'll be looking into feedback on how you like this system of list making.

Okay, now we're really, really done accepting ratings. 37 people participated in this final round of voting (up from the 33 that submitted ballots for the shortlist). The resulting list of Top 100 docs is definitely pretty interesting and mostly pretty cool. There are, of course, some glaring oversights, from a canon perspective, but that was true even at the shortlist stage (Marcel Ophuls says hi).

The way the math worked out, it took ratings from at least four people for a film to make the Top 100. One film with just three votes finished at #102, and, having been the third vote for that film, I regret not having ranked it a 9 instead of an 8.

A couple films were rated by 34 out of 37 voters; a couple films weren't rated by anyone. Getting a lot of votes didn't assure a film a spot in the Top 100. One film with 25 votes finished in the 125th spot on the final list. It would have been in the Top 50, had we relied just on the shortlist voting, so its drop is sort of a testament to the value of this two-stage process, I think.

Results soon! (Just as soon as Bondo and I figure out the niftiest way to present them.)

pixote
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: smirnoff on April 23, 2011, 08:09:36 AM
Results soon! (Just as soon as Bondo and I figure out the niftiest way to present them.)

Interpretive dance!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Beavermoose on April 23, 2011, 08:09:54 AM
Exciting!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: tinyholidays on April 23, 2011, 09:11:56 AM
Hoorah for the two-stage system! Hoorah for more lists for me to look at and feel guilty about! Hoorah for Jell-O!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: ¡Keith! on April 24, 2011, 10:57:51 PM
Results soon! (Just as soon as Bondo and I figure out the niftiest way to present them.)

Interpretive dance!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: oldkid on April 24, 2011, 11:12:59 PM
Puppets!

Kabuki!

Zen video!
Title: Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Documentaries: Shortlist
Post by: Bondo on April 30, 2011, 11:42:55 AM
Just a heads up, pix and I are aiming for the list reveal/chat split over Monday and Tuesday evenings. It is going to be epic or something. Official announcement to follow.