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Title: Sherlock
Post by: CSSCHNEIDER on January 11, 2011, 10:29:16 AM

(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m259/csschneider/vlcsnap-2011-01-11-11h02m43s71.png)

I apologize if there is already a thread, I looked for a half hour and didn't see it, so if this needs to be moved, please move it.  I know there are a lot of you that already love this show, I would've thought there'd be a thread for it.

I finally got around to watching the first two episodes of this last night with my family.  The pilot is amazing.  I'd rank it among the best TV pilots of the decade.  Its not as good as the Lost pilot but its not far behind it either.  I loved the use of graphical representations done to link the audience to Sherlock's mind as he's working out a problem.   I loved the performances, the photography, well everything.  Its a great show.  I think the second episode was a far less interesting story and mystery, but I like these characters so much that I didn't mind. 

I can't recommend this show enough and am really excited to watch the third episode later today.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: FroHam X on January 11, 2011, 10:44:01 AM
Oh man so glad you got into this. You're right, the second episode has a less interesting story/mystery, but then it's still very entertaining and the characters make it work. I also never liked stories about ancient Asian crime syndicates and that sort of thing. Eithe way, the first episode is fantastic and the third episode is a well. Biggest problem with the series is there are only three episodes and we have to wait till later this year to get more.

And just in case it wasn't already clear how good this show is, Martin Freeman only accepted the job playing Frodo in The Hobbit on the condition that they would work with him to fit more Sherlock into his schedule. It really is an awesome pairing or characters and Cumberbatch and Freeman are brilliant together.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: CSSCHNEIDER on January 11, 2011, 10:48:52 AM
Yeah!

My family are all huge Sherlock fans, specifically Jeremy Brett's iteration.  Cumberbatch is a brilliant successor to my favorite version of Holmes.   They both have that incredible sense of whimsy and energy.  Brett will always be my favorite Holmes but Cumberbatch is making an incredible bid for #2.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Mosca on January 11, 2011, 12:47:43 PM
Jeremy Brett was definitely the quintessential Holmes. RIP.  :'(
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: CSSCHNEIDER on January 13, 2011, 01:45:11 PM
I finished Series 1 the other night and the third episode was solid, had some good stuff in it, but still wasn't as good as the first.  Also I felt that they revealed Moriarty too early, and found him more laughable and silly than menacing.  But, its early days.  Still, its the best new series of 2010 that I saw.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: FroHam X on January 13, 2011, 02:10:46 PM
I found the tale on Moriarty pretty wild and scary myself.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: sdedalus on January 13, 2011, 02:22:52 PM
My only complaint was that the season was way too short.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on March 24, 2011, 12:56:39 AM
I just watched the first episode. That was freaking awesome. I loved everything about it. The Mycroft thing was pretty brilliant.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: FroHam X on March 24, 2011, 01:12:42 AM
Ha, yes! That character twist was so great.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Katebo on March 28, 2011, 11:27:22 AM
Thought this might be interesting to fans of Sherlock- Benedict Cumberbatch (Sherlock) and Jonny Lee Miller starred in a production of Frankenstein directed by Danny Boyle at London's National Theatre as Dr. Frankenstein/the Monster, switching roles each night. A production of each was filmed and they're being shown at theaters around the country. They'll be showing in Chicago at the Music Box at the end of April/beginning of May, for example. Apparently it's fantastic. Check it out!

http://www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/ntlive (http://www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/ntlive)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: FroHam X on March 28, 2011, 11:32:14 AM
I really want to go see this. It's playing on Thursday, and as far as I can tell that's the last time they're showing it in Canada. Unfortunately I'm working, so I might not be able to.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on March 29, 2011, 02:01:15 AM
The last episode totally redeemed the second one. That's as good a season finale as you're going to get.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: dheaton on April 12, 2011, 02:46:19 PM
I just finished watching all three episodes of this series last week, and it was great. I agree that the quality drops a bit for the second story, but I still think it's solid. It just pales in comparison to the other two, which are both stunning. I can't wait to see what happens next after the big cliffhanger.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Melvil on July 10, 2011, 11:26:06 PM
I finally caught up with this and fell right in line with everyone else. It's really freaking awesome. It starts off amazingly, the second episode is definitely the weakest, but the third is simply awesome. I do wish it were a longer season, if only because the third episode is a bit overstuffed. The ambition is great, but I really wish they had more time to play with.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: FroHam X on July 10, 2011, 11:28:10 PM
YAY!

Man, I love this series. I think it's that it feels so grounded in what makes the Sherlock Holmes stories so good, while also feeling new and fresh in a way that no other Holmes adaptation ever has.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: ses on September 13, 2011, 09:41:52 AM
I watched all three episodes yesterday, and I really enjoyed them.  Just a lot of fun and inventive. Can't wait for the new ones.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Katebo on September 14, 2011, 03:24:29 AM
There's a very brief (~15 sec) promo for series 2 on YouTube. I'm stoked!
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: mousterpiece on December 05, 2011, 08:33:31 AM
Just wanted to put in my two cents and agree with everyone else: this is a pretty great show. Frankly, these 3 episodes are so good that it makes me even less impressed with the Guy Ritchie film. There are plenty of reasons to be turned off by that movie, but Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman are far better as Sherlock and Watson than Robert Downey, Jr. and Jude Law are.

Also, watching this show convinced me to check out Doctor Who, which was a very good idea indeed. I can't wait for the new season, but why do we have to wait until May for it? Sigh.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on December 21, 2011, 11:26:40 AM
Season 2 trailer. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/video/2011/dec/21/sherlock-holmes-bbc-drama-video)

Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on December 24, 2011, 03:05:16 PM
Just wanted to put in my two cents and agree with everyone else: this is a pretty great show. Frankly, these 3 episodes are so good that it makes me even less impressed with the Guy Ritchie film. There are plenty of reasons to be turned off by that movie, but Benedict Cumberbatch and Martin Freeman are far better as Sherlock and Watson than Robert Downey, Jr. and Jude Law are.

Also, watching this show convinced me to check out Doctor Who, which was a very good idea indeed. I can't wait for the new season, but why do we have to wait until May for it? Sigh.

Don't worry there are 30+ seasons for you to catch up on.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Harpo Speaks on January 02, 2012, 05:47:02 PM
We've just had the first episode of the second series, and a few minor issues aside, it was damn good. Some great little dialogue exchanges, Cumberbatch continuing to be fantastic, and the direction is beautifully stylish.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Katebo on January 02, 2012, 09:23:22 PM
It was pretty great. Not perfect (too much slo-mo for one), but they did pull off Irene Adler well. Loved that Moffat brought back Sherlock's drug addiction, particularly.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: dheaton on January 04, 2012, 03:17:38 PM
It was pretty great. Not perfect (too much slo-mo for one), but they did pull off Irene Adler well. Loved that Moffat brought back Sherlock's drug addiction, particularly.

Is this available online, I guess?  I know PBS isn't showing it until May. 
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 18, 2012, 10:34:36 PM
1. A Scandal in Belgravia
2. A Study in Pink
3. The Reichenbach Fall
4. The Great Game
5. The Blind Banker
6. The Hounds of Baskerville



That's some pretty good rankings. A Scandal in Belgravia took the top spot after a 2nd viewing. The episode is so dense with characters and mystery that I could only ride along with it on a first watch.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: ses on January 18, 2012, 10:54:46 PM
How are you seeing it?
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: saltine on February 11, 2012, 05:58:31 AM
Starts in AUS this week.  Hope it's good.  We could use some good Tv.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: sdedalus on May 22, 2012, 02:29:31 PM
Jim Emerson (http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2012/05/the_heroes_we_deserve.html) on the similarities between The Reichenbach Fall and a certain controversial movie.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: oneaprilday on May 25, 2012, 11:57:47 AM
Jim Emerson (http://blogs.suntimes.com/scanners/2012/05/the_heroes_we_deserve.html) on the similarities between The Reichenbach Fall and a certain controversial movie.
Just caught up with "The Reichenbach Fall."  Emerson's article is great.  And the episode is absolutely fabulous - loved everything about it - and I was in floods of tears at the end.  Some of the best TV I've ever seen.  Probably that's hyperbole, but that's pretty much how I'm feeling.  I can't imagine a better adaptation of the Sherlock-Moriarty story. 
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: AAAutin on October 11, 2012, 01:04:21 AM
6.) The Blind Banker
5.) The Hounds of Baskerville
4.) A Study in Pink
3.) The Great Game
2.) The Reichenbach Fall
1.) A Scandal in Belgravia
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on December 24, 2013, 01:30:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwntNANJCOE
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on December 24, 2013, 01:40:43 PM
That's great. So pumped for next week.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 01, 2014, 10:30:48 PM
The Empty Hearse
* 1/2

Why mess with a good thing? Why do people think the only schedules you need to work around are the actors? As if Cumberbatch and Freeman are solely responsible for the greatness of the series. This is a team effort, and critically missing in this episode are writer Steven Moffat (responsible for the other 2 season openers) and director Paul McGuigan. The Empty Hearse was written by Mark Gatiss, who seems like a nice person but, as is proven by the weakest episodes of the series, is rarely up to the challenge of writing a character who is smarter than us. There wasn't a single reveal I didn't figure out before it was explained to the audience.

The writing is a letdown from every possible angle. There's an odd streak of forced cleverness in moments like Holmes creating his French waiter disguise, the old couple or the board game surprise between Sherlock and Mycroft. I accept that people change over a couple of years, and it fits with Watson but Holmes is oddly different, and by "oddly" I mean he no longer seems like Holmes at all. He's got a warmth, an ability to make social connections. I hate that this rough edge that made Cumberbatch's portrayal so interesting has been smoothed over into a tick Holmes is aware of. Where's the accidental (or deliberate) rubbing people the wrong way? What about the transparent attempts to play sympathetic? Now he can do it earnestly. Boring.

The story is loaded up on the return of Holmes, and largely unconcerned with the mystery at hand. The terrorist plot is a paltry couple of unexplored details to where I suspected Holmes to turn untrustingly against the people providing the information. Instead he goes on a vague uber-quest waiting for a bunch of random people to break pattern. Then there's the brief subplot of personal danger, and at last in the final third Holmes and Watson follow the clues. I'm as happy to see Holmes back as anyone, and I want to hear the solution of his fall too, but why so much attention on that and so little on the new story? (It's a problem that plagues sequels which tread water because they don't know where to go next.)

The direction by Jeremy Lovering tries to copy Paul McGuigan's flashy style, but it's all empty flash here. Lots of weird double/triple composite shots while Holmes works out his process. (The "mind palace" has become like The Force, a once cool abstract idea turned into a bio-chemical mutant power.) The train route montage is the most egregious example, but throughout it's a case of a director trying on britches way too big for them.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 06, 2014, 10:52:21 AM
The Sign of Three
* * *

Bound to be a very divisive point for the series. Possibly the definitive proof that Sherlock has jumped the shark. Most of the episode is played for laughs, and they're often not clever laughs but the kind of stuff you find on a TV sitcom. Jokes that both play into and make fun of Holmes' anti-social tendencies but don't poke holes in any sort of revealing way. I did laugh, but that's not why I'm watching Sherlock.

Much improved this time out is the mystery, which has a charming old-school quality to it, develops nicely in conjunction with the wedding story and is tough to figure out. The direction by Colm McCarthy sets a completely different tone than any other Sherlock episode. The show has never felt more TVish. The style shots are once again empty flash, though I found the on-screen text to be better handled and there's a good bit involving multiple chat rooms visualized inside a court room. On The Empty Hearse I said that Cumberbatch and Freeman are not solely responsible for the greatness of the series, however their chemistry (along with Rupert Graves' as Lastrade) is what ultimately makes this adventure worth a watch.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on January 06, 2014, 10:59:04 AM
There's a lot of speculation that the lightness of these two episodes is kind of a set up for the last episode of the season which will be very dark. There are quite a few hints, especially involving one of the marriage traditions and some seemingly throwaway lines about Mary's family. If that happens I think there's going to be a large scale revision of these two episodes in the eyes of the viewers (to be clear, I've enjoyed both, but I agree that they're not quite what I was expecting).

I really loved the courtroom stuff, though, plus the drunk stuff.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 08, 2014, 11:19:09 AM
Watched The Sign of Three with Mrs. 1SO. She liked it. Thinks that people will focus too much on the overdose of comedy, but if you look past that this is a proper Sherlock episode, with multiple mysteries that feed into each other. She had the killer pegged early, but couldn't figure out the 'How' till right before the reveal. As for the comedy, the first joke is over set-up, oversold. The elephant in the room is terribly cheap. However, she thought the chat room girls were clever fun, especially the kinky maid, and she's really liking Mrs. Watson and how easily she fits into the group dynamic.

As for me, the comedy is easy to brace for and disregard on a re-watch and the rest of it is fun, though disappointingly more like a regular TV show than a Sherlock. The drunk section goes on far too long.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: ses on January 08, 2014, 01:19:17 PM
So the mini episode is separate to any of the three stories?  It's not just a preview or the first seven minutes of Ep 1 in Season 3? 
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on January 08, 2014, 01:23:28 PM
Correct. It happens before the first episode and covers some of the time between last season and this one.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: ses on January 08, 2014, 01:24:23 PM
Correct. It happens before the first episode and covers some of the time between last season and this one.

Okay, thanks.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 13, 2014, 01:15:34 AM
His Final Vow
* * * 1/2


I wish we didn't have to trudge through the first two Season 3 Sherlocks to get to this one, but man there are a lot of payoffs. This may be the most complicated episode yet, with so much bouncing around in time and between reality, fantasy and dream that I struggled to keep up. I anxiously look forward to the re-watch with Mrs. 1SO, but this is as close as I've seen a TV show come to the experience I have watching The Big Sleep.

All kinds of awesome going on - none of which I will spoil, so excuse the obliqueness of the review. Easily the toughest acting called on yet for Cumberbatch and Freeman (and Louise Brealey, whose Molly Hooper packs a wallop when called on.) Director Nick Hurran (Doctor Who's "The Day of the Doctor") almost completely dropped the style tricks, which was a welcome decision. There's a fantastical bit in the middle clearly inspired by films like The Cell, but they don't cross into surreal lunacy. In the end, Steven Moffat went the Chris Nolan route of making everything way too serious. He wants to make this the ultimate Sherlock experience, but he's straining. So this is one of the Sherlock-level episodes, but I can't sort out how good till some re-watches.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: goodguy on January 13, 2014, 06:05:28 AM
I agree that the previous two episodes were pretty poor and this last one was a return to form and pretty exciting - up to the point were the secret of the vault was revealed.

Having the villain dance around for half an hour doing an 'Everything is in my head that's why you can't do anything'-routine and end it with the most obvious solution everyone watching probably had thought of in the first second is either the stupidest thing ever or I missed something important. Did I?
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: verbALs on January 13, 2014, 06:18:00 AM
Yeah there did seem to be a really obvious answer but it did give the guy time to flick Watsons face a lot. That was pretty terrific stuff. Plus all the insults against the UK like the Petri dish comment. And google glasses! Lovely sleight of hand. I usually find this series unstimulating outside the stellar acting.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 13, 2014, 09:30:16 AM
Agree with goodguy's point, and it made me despise the way the direction cheated with so much emphasis on the glasses. I think that's the first time a plausible idea was revealed to be a "mind palace" trick.

Did I miss something in the previous 2 Series about Mycroft being Sherlock's equal and sometimes superior in terms of deduction? One of the greatest strengths of Sherlock is his supernatural ability with deductive reasoning, yet in this episode no less than 3 other people turn out to be equally skilled.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 13, 2014, 10:46:53 PM
Mycroft has usually been portrayed as smarter than Sherlock, in film and TV, it is just that Mycroft takes his in a different direction. That is how Conan Doyle wrote him. I am fairly sure in both the first two series Mycroft is referred to as Sherlock's superior. Also Moriarty has always been portrayed as Sherlock's equal. I have yet to watch series 3.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 17, 2014, 12:44:19 AM
Finally got the time to watch His Last Vow again. Love the sequence immediately following the shooting as he mind palaces through his predicament. Also, the confrontation behind the facade and back at Baker Street may be the finest acting yet from Cumberbatch and Freeman. This time I noticed that scene mirrors the earlier girlfriend scene where Sherlock is trying to focus on the case and Watson is too distracted by personal issues to pay attention.

On the negative, I really hate this Magnussen character. It's in the writing. He is so confident in his power position that he does physically ugly things to his enemies. These moments took evil into ridiculous corners. Licking, peeing, face flicking, even eating the olive from Sherlock's pasta, all of them had me going "dumb". I wanted to be done with him. Also, it doesn't make sense that when Magnussen shows up at Baker St. there are two bodyguards who first frisk our heroes, yet even this minimal level of security is absent at the end.

Kind of a cool note, I noticed Mycroft's line this time tying in James Bond where he mentions a co-worker who believes in occasionally using "a blunt instrument."
RATING: * * * 1/2


UPDATED RANKINGS:
1. A Scandal in Belgravia
2. The Great Game
3. The Reichenbach Fall
4. A Study in Pink
5. His Last Vow
6. The Sign of Three
7. The Blind Banker
8. The Hounds of Baskerville
9. The Empty Hearse
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on January 17, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
Fun. (http://imgur.com/a/gEs1y)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: MartinTeller on January 17, 2014, 11:53:04 AM
I haven't watched the other two this season yet.  That's how much I hated The Empty Hearse.  I'll probably get to them eventually, but I'll wait for DVD (which has the added bonus of subtitles).
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 17, 2014, 12:54:17 PM
Martin, it's getting kind of remarkable how much are tastes are starting to match up compared to before. The Empty Hears nearly killed Sherlock for me, but it crawled back to where I'm now hopeful for next season. (Of course it depends on who are the writers and directors.)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: don s. on January 17, 2014, 10:57:01 PM
On the negative, I really hate this Magnussen character. It's in the writing. He is so confident in his power position that he does physically ugly things to his enemies. These moments took evil into ridiculous corners. Licking, peeing, face flicking, even eating the olive from Sherlock's pasta, all of them had me going "dumb".

Say what you will about him, he owns some amazing glassware. Any tips on where I can get some of these tumblers would be appreciated.

(http://www.cuddlybunnies.com/misc/sherlock-tumbler.jpg)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: AAAutin on January 28, 2014, 08:11:36 PM
9.) The Empty Hearse
8.) The Blind Banker
7.) The Hounds of Baskerville
6.) His Last Vow
5.) A Study in Pink
4.) The Sign of Three
3.) The Great Game
2.) The Reichenbach Fall
1.) A Scandal in Belgravia

Fun. (http://imgur.com/a/gEs1y)

...for days.

Any tips on where I can get some of these tumblers would be appreciated.

Mind Palace & Novelties?
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Sandy on January 28, 2014, 08:29:27 PM
Fun. (http://imgur.com/a/gEs1y)

...for days.

 :D

I missed this! Now if someone would just photo shop him into this scene, the list would be complete.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/34e6mg9.jpg)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: don s. on January 29, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
Any tips on where I can get some of these tumblers would be appreciated.

Mind Palace & Novelties?

It's considered polite to include a web link.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: AAAutin on January 29, 2014, 05:52:12 PM
Any tips on where I can get some of these tumblers would be appreciated.

Mind Palace & Novelties?

It's considered polite to include a web link.

Sherlinked (http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/sherlock%27s-mind-palace).
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: don s. on January 29, 2014, 07:41:35 PM
Any tips on where I can get some of these tumblers would be appreciated.

Mind Palace & Novelties?

It's considered polite to include a web link.

Sherlinked (http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/sherlock%27s-mind-palace).

SherLoL.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 29, 2014, 09:33:43 PM
Caught up with the first two episodes of Season 3. I like that they're making Sherlock a bit more human, but both episodes lacked focus. Went all over the place.

But I did really like a lot of the character moments in The Sign of Three and the last shot was pretty great.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 29, 2014, 09:50:13 PM
At this point, I can't even tell you what The Empty Hearse is about. It's such a waste of resources. There's an Encycopedia Brown quality to The Sign of Three that sticks with me and makes it more rewatchable than The Blind Banker. Hope you give thoughts on the last one. It's the most interesting one to discuss.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Bondo on February 24, 2014, 01:18:33 PM
Like Mary a lot, but largely dislike these episodes so far (through 2 of 3). Glad it is only three episodes in a shot because if it were more I probably wouldn't invest.

I should expand. I like the general mystery of the second ep of season three, and obviously the show's greatest strength is the character work. But man was that an overly messy way to get there.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on February 24, 2014, 03:33:39 PM
Agree completely. A lot of fans think it's okay because these first two episodes are building to the great finale. I say that's crap. You shouldn't waste people's time for 3 hours. A good story shouldn't require 3 hours of exposition to get there. While the finale is back at Sherlock's usual level of quality, the first two episodes are so sloppy I'd believe Moffat had little to do with them. (I've already spoken about Mark Gatiss being the Roger Avery to his Tarantino. The Matthew Modine to his Kubrick.)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on February 24, 2014, 03:34:41 PM
The first two episodes weren't great, but I wouldn't go as far as calling them a waste of time.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Melvil on April 26, 2014, 08:42:14 PM
I finally caught up with the third season but it was pretty thoroughly disappointing. These episodes were all so messy, focusing so much on the characters that the actual stories were barely worth noting (and at worst incoherent). The emphasis on character would ordinarily be alright, but I found it to dilute my impression of these characters more than anything. Relationships were muddled and suspension of disbelief was pushed and pushed. There was also some downright terrible directorial/editorial decisions, with much of the show seeming like a lifeless imitation of the previous style. Really sad to see it fall so far.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on April 26, 2014, 11:22:35 PM
I was going to repeat myself by mostly agreeing to your points. I hope you read the previous comments which go into some detail about that agreement.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Melvil on April 26, 2014, 11:46:56 PM
I did, and I'm glad to see I'm not alone. I don't really agree that the last episode really redeemed anything though, I think I would consider The Sign of Three the least problematic of this season by a slight margin actually.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: roujin on May 01, 2014, 08:37:08 PM
Broke my ban on British TV and watched this. It was okay.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on May 01, 2014, 08:43:42 PM
Yup.


Still haven't watch the last episode of season 3.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on December 18, 2014, 09:13:51 PM
Re-watched "A Study in Pink". One of the finest first adventures I've seen. I'm envious of the quality of Steven Moffat's writing. The Mycroft scene is genius and I love the confrontation at the end. Reminds me of Spoorloos and plays beautifully into the psychology of this Holmes. This will be on my Top 100 of the 10s. Guaranteed.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on July 10, 2015, 03:16:33 PM
While I love the idea of a period Sherlock episode, everyone/everything feels too contemporary to pull this off at a feature length. (I think Batch/Freeman could do a period Sherlock, but not with the same characters they've already established.) I like the writing, but going by this brief clip, the idea seems better suited to a short film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEVgqykJjrg
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on July 10, 2015, 03:19:59 PM
I get your complaints on an intellectual level, but at this point I'm just happy to get this team back together. That last line is pretty great, too.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Paul Phoenix on July 10, 2015, 03:53:41 PM
While I love the idea of a period Sherlock episode, everyone/everything feels too contemporary to pull this off at a feature length. (I think Batch/Freeman could do a period Sherlock, but not with the same characters they've already established.) I like the writing, but going by this brief clip, the idea seems better suited to a short film.
Yeah, I share your sentiments. And besides, the thing that made me love the series, the thing that made it special for me, is its contemporary take on the story. I never really bothered to watch any of the movies with the Victorian-era Sherlock. His tales are fun to talk about on a surface-level in a party where I'd go, "Do you remember when Sherlock fell off that waterfall with Moriarty?" But I've never really felt compelled to really dive into his stories in details until Moffat brought that contemporary connection to the world of Sherlock.

Also, it's a lot more fun to see Sherlock still being the greatest (or one of the greatest) detectives in the modern world. Really shows how timeless his character can be.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 02, 2016, 05:39:31 PM
The Abominable Bride
* * * - Very Good

This should prove to be a very divisive episode, and for people who are getting tired of Mark Gatiss and Steven Moffat's clever writing - those who would put 'clever' in air quotes - this could well prove to be the final straw. I remember a former member who said that the script for A Scandal in Belgravia was trying too hard. Well, I wonder what they would make of this.

You probably already know this is the Sherlock that takes place in the 1890s. This isn't just a one-off lark of an idea, the episode also is completely in continuity with the present day series. I will not spoil how, though I am relieved it doesn't involve time travel or some other fantastical element. This is a proper Sherlock with a proper mystery to solve. However, the mystery speaks to the larger cliffhanger from last season of Moriarty's unexpected reappearance. The way the script (by Moffat and Gatiss) manages to keep everything together is bound to infuriate some who would have preferred the cool clean clarity of an isolated adventure. There is a particular moment of intersection where a single image can provide a definite realization that the show has jumped the shark.

Which I guess makes me a Sherlock fanboy who put up with Season 3 because I enjoyed the cleverness a lot. Even more, this has some of the best dialogue of the series, especially in the interplay between Sherlock and the two characters who attempt to pull him towards humanity (Watson) or away from it forever (Moriarty). Sherlock's antisocial behaviors are often the episode's funniest moments and many of the supporting cast get to play fun variations in the 1890s story. (Gatiss' Mycroft Holmes is clearly channeling Sydney Greenstreet.)
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: oldkid on January 02, 2016, 06:52:55 PM
I am even more enthusiastic to watch it, given your review.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Sandy on January 02, 2016, 11:52:36 PM
I'm seeing this on Tuesday!

But, I've never seen the series. How lost will I be?
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on January 03, 2016, 01:12:50 AM
Sounds fun. I think I'm watching it tomorrow.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 03, 2016, 01:36:41 AM
I'm seeing this on Tuesday!

But, I've never seen the series. How lost will I be?
Very lost, and it will spoil all the key events in the series for you. I would get out of this if you can, or binge the series. (You could skip Season 1 Ep 2, Season 2 Ep 2 and Season 3 Ep 1, but all of the others come into play here.) The episode opens with a 2-3 min recap of events so far, but it goes by fast and there's a lot not included in the recap that's key to understanding the episode.


I'm glad I made it sound good. I've read some of the Spoiler posts online and people are having very strong reactions, both positive and negative. Mrs. 1SO was with it to a point, but when it was over her confidence in the show was shaken more than anything in Season 3. However, she thinks a re-watch might sit better.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Corndog on January 04, 2016, 07:40:05 AM
Caught up with The Abominable Bride last night. The trickiness of the plot was a turn off for me, but I enjoyed the mystery and the craft of the episode is clearly strong with some very cinematic elements, great dialogue, and of course Freeman and Batch being great. I don't think it's quite as good as some of the other episodes in the series, but I still enjoyed my time with it. More on the average/enjoyable front than anything else for me. Eventually everything comes together, but the maddening time of confusion that leads up to the "reveal" that makes sense of everything can be quite frustrating.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 04, 2016, 09:28:26 AM
Funny that Sherlock's biggest problem is that it's too clever, though this seems like an element that will give the episode re-watchability, and on a re-watch the mystery, craft and dialogue will remain strong while the story will seem less tricky.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: DarkeningHumour on February 15, 2016, 11:56:43 PM
I liked bride, it is better than all the episode twos of the series, but I felt it lacked a proper solving at the end, or maybe a climax. That he technically ends up not solving a case was problematic for me. And many of the small reveals were pretty obvious.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 01, 2017, 08:54:39 PM
The Six Thatchers S04E01
* * 1/2
I wish that Sherlock never rose to the level of Pop Culture Phenomenon. The first 2 Seasons were pitched perfectly, with scripts that were pretty brilliant in terms of the mystery, the characters and the way the two would feed into each other. After the entertaining but overly-clever diversion The Abominable Bride, Sherlock returns to reality, but it's not the show it once was. The relationship between Holmes and Watson is way off and Sherlock's skill is as supernatural as Cumberbatch's other famous character, Doctor Strange. Too much of the cleverness is reverse engineered or swept under the rug with a smug "I'm Sherlock Holmes," and I'm thinking "No really, how the hell would you know that?!?"

The show still has its charms, mainly the work by Cumberbatch which is too assured for the small screen. I wish they would stop with all the Jame Bond globetrotting and get back to solving a case in London. Steven Moffat will have a hand in the next two episodes, but the end of this one buries the original successful elements under yet another layer of over-plotting and too many character-smashing events. I don't see how the show can ever get its groove back.


p.s. Unrelated to this episode, I did some thinking about my unwavering attitude towards treating each episode like a movies and have decided to remove all but "A Scandal in Belgravia" from my list of Essentials.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: smirnoff on January 01, 2017, 09:13:48 PM
A new episode! Crazy. I look forward to that.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 01, 2017, 09:32:35 PM
Three new episodes this month, and it appears they're all part of one large story.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 04, 2017, 05:55:59 AM
At first I read this

Three new episodes this month, and it appears they're all part of one large story.

and was ecstatic, but then I read this,

The Six Thatchers S04E01
* * 1/2
I wish that Sherlock never rose to the level of Pop Culture Phenomenon. The first 2 Seasons were pitched perfectly, with scripts that were pretty brilliant in terms of the mystery, the characters and the way the two would feed into each other. After the entertaining but overly-clever diversion The Abominable Bride, Sherlock returns to reality, but it's not the show it once was. The relationship between Holmes and Watson is way off and Sherlock's skill is as supernatural as Cumberbatch's other famous character, Doctor Strange. Too much of the cleverness is reverse engineered or swept under the rug with a smug "I'm Sherlock Holmes," and I'm thinking "No really, how the hell would you know that?!?"

The show still has its charms, mainly the work by Cumberbatch which is too assured for the small screen. I wish they would stop with all the Jame Bond globetrotting and get back to solving a case in London. Steven Moffat will have a hand in the next two episodes, but the end of this one buries the original successful elements under yet another layer of over-plotting and too many character-smashing events. I don't see how the show can ever get its groove back.


p.s. Unrelated to this episode, I did some thinking about my unwavering attitude towards treating each episode like a movies and have decided to remove all but "A Scandal in Belgravia" from my list of Essentials.

and now I am gazing towards depression and alcoholism.

O woe!
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 11, 2017, 12:04:25 PM
The Lying Detective S04E02
* * * - Good
"In saving my life she conferred a value on it. It is a currency I do not know how to spend."
Much as I love and even envy Mark Gatiss' contribution to the show as actor and writer, he is nowhere near the caliber of the show's other writer, Steven Moffat. Moffat wrote this episode and the difference is obvious in ways both good and bad.

The Good is that Gatiss' is a writer writing a clever character to the best of his abilities. Sherlock's deductions under Gatiss are a stretch of credibility and the character is often clever in a slick manner more suited to comedy. Under Moffat, Sherlock is genuinely clever, with surprising deductions and amazing leaps that Moffat will then show you in detail how they came about.
Sherlock explanation under Gatiss: "I'm Sherlock Holmes."
Sherlock under Moffat: "Let me walk you through it step by step while talking very fast and then be dismissive about the fact that you didn't come to this conclusion yourself."

Because of this, Moffat will often deconstruct a dramatic development until it is borderline incomprehensible. You have 5-6 people all reacting in a very particular manner to make a very specific thing happen, and it's all so dizzying there's no way everyone could've been playing chess on this many boards, but there's also a lot of explanation, meaning the only real mystery is how much is Moffat playing fair with the audience. I love that Moffat has the skill to take apart a story and view it God-like, but if you're resistant to the ride, I certainly don't blame you. It kind of makes you feel stupid sometimes.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Junior on January 11, 2017, 03:59:50 PM
I liked this second episode quite a bit. The show has become predictable to some degree. You can be sure that things which seem a little off are that way for a reason, so some things become a matter of the story catching up to the audience, in broad strokes if not particulars. This robs the show of some of its dramatic heft, I think, but I'm cool with it if the ride is as fun as this one is. Seems like you shouldn't be able to say that about an episode which deals with the aftermath of the previous episode, but that's also one of the perks of such a finely tuned program.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 16, 2017, 12:32:08 AM
(http://imgur.com/wA5AHhi.jpg)

The Final Problem S04E03
*

Absolute Rubbish! If not for Mrs. 1SO I would be done watching this show. The script is like something a fanboy teenager still in high school would've written over a weekend. The basic structure is a blatant steal from Saw and there are plot holes everywhere, including Sherlock being easily duped time and again, Watson being a terrible doctor and Mycroft just being a bumbling idiot who constantly lets others get the drop on him. After several episodes that are a con within a con within a con it's amazing how the three of them never question the unbelievable story at the episode's center.

Also, Moriarty is literally reduced to a number of cheesy sound bites and the show visually looks like it was shot on low quality video with Adobe after effects.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 16, 2017, 06:06:38 AM
Haha, sounds about right. Series tends to be diminishing returns.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 28, 2017, 04:01:12 PM
Every episode of the fourth season of Sherlock does something new with the show. The first episode is a preposterous pastiche, a garbage episode that is an insult to the intelligence of its viewers and the first two seasons, even the Hound episode. Thankfully, for once, the first episode is the worst of the bunch. The second episode manages to still innovate in the show's patented chalk words flying around style and while doing things with the writing that are, in the least, commendable in their attempt to branch into new directions. The last episode though, that's where it all is. Build upon the Sherlock mythology while taking the show's tone and style into an unprecendented direction and you've got the best horror movie of the year so far. Granted, it's January, but it's still bloody good.

That first episode though. Total rubbish. I was mad for three days at how ghastly it was.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 28, 2017, 04:04:15 PM
Oh 1SO...I hadn't read your review. I entirely disagree with your ranking of this season.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on January 28, 2017, 04:36:02 PM
Yeah, I'm wondering if you watched them out of order because your description of the first episode matches my opinion of the 3rd. But you equate the 3rd one to a horror movie so I guess you're just wrong.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 28, 2017, 04:44:57 PM
The first one is atrocious. Whatever you think of the third, it was painful to watch.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: DarkeningHumour on January 28, 2017, 05:22:48 PM
The two best episodes of Sherlock are still the two best episodes of Sherlock and just as exceptional.
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Sandy on February 12, 2017, 02:35:34 PM
I had only seen the movie so far, but watched "The Lying Detective" and "The Final Problem" this weekend. I was completely hooked. :) Not having any expectations regarding story, maybe it was good that I watched these first, so that when I go back to the beginning, I'll be that much more impressed!
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: pixote on May 21, 2017, 10:17:47 AM
Season four is now on Netflix!













...though I pretty much regret watching it.

pixote
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on May 21, 2017, 04:47:57 PM
Oh yea, this is a show that exists.

*shrugs*
Title: Re: Sherlock
Post by: 1SO on May 21, 2017, 05:17:14 PM
To recap, Season 4 gave me hope for an episode (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=9582.msg860048#msg860048) before smashing any goodwill I had for this show (http://forum.filmspotting.net/index.php?topic=9582.msg860554#msg860554).