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Title: Movie Lists
Post by: worm@work on January 27, 2011, 02:12:55 PM
Didn't know where to post this. So started a new thread for lists. Mods, please feel free to move this to a better location.

Greatest Chinese language films from the Taipei Golden Horse festival.

Source: http://cinephileforeignerinkorea.blogspot.com/2011/01/100-greatest-chinese-films.html (http://cinephileforeignerinkorea.blogspot.com/2011/01/100-greatest-chinese-films.html)

100 GREATEST CHINESE-LANGUAGE FILMS

01. A City of Sadness (悲情城市); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1989
02. A Brighter Summer Day (牯嶺街少年殺人事件); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1991
03. A Time to Live and a Time to Die (童年往事); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1985
04. Days of Being Wild (阿飛正傳); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1990
05. Spring in a Small Town (小城之春); dir. Fei Mu (費穆), 1948
06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
07. Dust in the Wind (戀戀風塵); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1986
09. Dragon Inn (龍門客棧); dir. King Hu (胡金銓), 1967
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
11. The Love Eterne (梁山伯與祝英台); dir. Li Han-hsiang (李翰祥), 1963
11. The Terrorizer (恐怖份子); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1986
13. Vive L'amour (愛情萬歲); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1994
13. Yellow Earth (黃土地); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1984
15. A Touch of Zen (俠女); dir. King Hu (胡金銓), 1971
16. Comrades: Almost a Love Story (甜蜜蜜); dir. Peter Chan (陳可辛), 1996
17. A Better Tomorrow (英雄本色); dir. John Woo (吳宇森), 1986
18. Infernal Affairs (無間道); dir. Andrew Lau (劉偉強)、Alan Mak (麥兆輝), 2003
19. In the Heat of the Sun (陽光燦爛的日子); dir. Jiang Wen (姜文), 1994
19. Street Angel (馬路天使); dir. Yuan Muzhi (袁牧之), 1937
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
21. Red Sorghum (紅高粱); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1987
23. The Wedding Banquet (喜宴); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1992
23. The Goddess (神女); dir. Wu Yonggang (吳永剛), 1934
23. The Boys From Fengkuei (風櫃來的人); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1983
26. Happy Together (春光乍洩); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1997
27. The Sandwich Man (兒子的大玩偶); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), Wan Jen (萬仁) & Tseng Chuang-hsiang (曾壯祥), 1983
27. At Dawn (破曉時分); dir. Sung Tsun-shou (宋存壽), 1968
27. Rouge (胭脂扣); dir. Stanley Kwan (關錦鵬), 1988
30. Center Stage (阮玲玉); dir. Stanley Kwan (關錦鵬), 1992
30. Farewell My Concubine (霸王別姬); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1993
30. That Day, on the Beach (海灘的一天); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1983
30. Fist of Fury (精武門); dir. Lo Wei (羅維), 1972
30. Lust, Caution (色,戒); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2007
35. Xiao Wu (小武); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 1997
35. A Chinese Ghost Story (倩女幽魂); dir. Tony Ching (程小東), 1987
35. The Story of Qiu Ju (秋菊打官司); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1992
38. Execution in Autumn (秋決); dir. Lee Hsing (李行), 1972
38. Cape No. 7 (海角七號); dir. Wei Te-sheng (魏德聖), 2008
40. Spring River Flows East (一江春水向東流); dir. Cai Chusheng (蔡楚生) & Zheng Junli (鄭君里), 1947
41. The Blue Kite (藍風箏); dir. Tian Zhuangzhuang (田壯壯), 1992
41. The Puppetmaster (戲夢人生); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1993
41. Darkness and Light (黑暗之光); dir. Chang Tso-chi (張作驥), 1999
44. The Mission (鎗火); dir. Johnnie To (杜琪峰), 1999
44. Still Life (三峽好人); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 2006
44. To Live (活著); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1994
44. The Arch (董夫人); dir. Cecile Tang (唐書璇), 1970
48. Goodbye Darling (再見阿郎); dir. Pai Ching-jui (白景瑞), 1971
48. Kung Fu Hustle (功夫); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2005
50. Let It Be (無米樂); dir. Yen Lan-Chuan (顏蘭權) & Chuang Yi-tseng (莊益增), 2005
50. Beautiful Duckling (養鴨人家); dir. Lee Hsing (李行), 1964
50. The Highway (大路); dir. Sun Yu (孫瑜), 1934
50. Taipei Story (青梅竹馬); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1985
50. Ashes of Time (東邪西毒); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
50. Raise the Red Lantern (大紅燈籠高高掛); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1991
56. An Autumn's Tale (秋天的童話); dir. Mabel Cheung (張婉婷), 1987
56. Growing Up (小畢的故事); dir. Chen Kun-hou (陳坤厚), 1983
58. The Way of the Dragon (猛龍過江); dir. Bruce Lee (李小龍), 1972
58. The Spooky Bunch (撞到正(小姐撞到鬼)); dir. Ann Hui (許鞍華), 1980
58. Old Well (老井); dir. Wu Tianming (吳天明), 1987
58. Made in Hong Kong (香港製造); dir. Fruit Chan (陳果), 1997
58. Rebels of the Neon God (青少年哪吒); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1992
58. The Way We Are (天水圍的日與夜); dir. Ann Hui (許鞍華), 2008
58. No puedo vivir sin ti (不能沒有你); dir. Leon Dai (戴立忍), 2008
58. Blind Shaft (盲井); dir. Li Yang (李楊), 2003
66. Shaolin Soccer (少林足球); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2001
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994
66. Strawman (稻草人); dir. Wang Tung (王童), 1987
66. The Private Eyes (半斤八兩); dir. Michael Hui (許冠文), 1976
66. Drunken Master (醉拳); dir. Yuen Woo-ping (袁和平), 1978
66. Story of a Mother (母親三十歲); dir. Sung Tsun-shou (宋存壽), 1973
66. Zu: Warriors from the Magic Mountain (新蜀山劍俠); dir. Tsui Hark (徐克), 1983
73. In Our Time (光陰的故事); dir. Jim Tao (陶德辰), Edward Yang (楊德昌), Ko I-cheng (柯一正) & Chang Yi (張毅), 1982
73. Jade Love (玉卿嫂); dir. Chang Yi (張毅), 1984
73. Sun, Moon and Star (星星月亮太陽); dir. Yi Wen (易文), 1962
73. The One-Armed Swordsman (獨臂刀); dir. Chang Cheh (張徹), 1967
73. A Chinese Odyssey I-II (西遊記); dir. Jeff Lau (劉鎮偉), 1995
73. Summer Snow (女人・四十); dir. Ann Hui (許鞍華), 1995
73. A Borrowed Life (多桑); dir. Wu Nien-chen (吳念真), 1994
73. Platform (站台); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 2000
73. Summer Palace (頤和園); dir. Lou Ye (婁燁), 2006
73. Kekexili: Mountain Patrol (可可西里); dir. Lu Chuan (陸川), 2004
83. Blue Gate Crossing (藍色大門); dir. Yee Chih-yen (易智言), 2002
83. Not One Less (一個都不能少); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1999
83. Flowers of Shanghai (海上花); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1998
83. Crazy Stone (瘋狂的石頭); dir. Ning Hao (寧浩), 2006
83. Hill of No Return (無言的山丘); dir. Wang Tung (王童), 1992
83. The River (河流); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1997
83. He Never Gives Up (汪洋中的一條船); dir. Lee Hsing (李行), 1978
83. Boat People (投奔怒海); dir. Ann Hui (許鞍華), 1982
91. The Last Message (天才與白癡); dir. Michael Hui (許冠文), 1975
91. The Blue and the Black (藍與黑); dir. Doe Ching (陶秦), 1967
91. Two Stage Sisters (舞台姊妹); dir. Xie Jin (謝晉), 1965
91. Little Toys (小玩意); dir. Sun Yu (孫瑜), 1933
91. The Lin Family Shop (林家舖子); dir. Shui Hua (水華), 1959
91. Crossroads (十字街頭); dir. Shen Xiling (沈西苓), 1937
91. Police Story (警察故事); dir. Jackie Chan (成龍), 1985
91. Once Upon a Time in China (黃飛鴻); dir. Tsui Hark (徐克), 1991
91. The Hole (洞); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1998
91. Devils on the Doorstep (鬼子來了); dir. Jiang Wen (姜文), 2000

I've seen about 25 or so.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mañana on January 27, 2011, 02:16:38 PM
I've seen 10 of those. Hope to catch a few more in the Far East Bracket.
The Mission?  ???
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on January 27, 2011, 02:19:25 PM
01. A City of Sadness (悲情城市); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1989
02. A Brighter Summer Day (牯嶺街少年殺人事件); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1991
03. A Time to Live and a Time to Die (童年往事); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1985
04. Days of Being Wild (阿飛正傳); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1990
05. Spring in a Small Town (小城之春); dir. Fei Mu (費穆), 1948
06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
07. Dust in the Wind (戀戀風塵); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1986
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
13. Vive L'amour (愛情萬歲); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1994
13. Yellow Earth (黃土地); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1984
15. A Touch of Zen (俠女); dir. King Hu (胡金銓), 1971
17. A Better Tomorrow (英雄本色); dir. John Woo (吳宇森), 1986
19. In the Heat of the Sun (陽光燦爛的日子); dir. Jiang Wen (姜文), 1994
19. Street Angel (馬路天使); dir. Yuan Muzhi (袁牧之), 1937
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
21. Red Sorghum (紅高粱); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1987
26. Happy Together (春光乍洩); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1997
30. Farewell My Concubine (霸王別姬); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1993
35. Xiao Wu (小武); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 1997
35. The Story of Qiu Ju (秋菊打官司); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1992
41. The Puppetmaster (戲夢人生); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1993
44. Still Life (三峽好人); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 2006
44. To Live (活著); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1994
48. Kung Fu Hustle (功夫); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2005
50. Raise the Red Lantern (大紅燈籠高高掛); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1991
58. Rebels of the Neon God (青少年哪吒); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1992
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994

66. Drunken Master (醉拳); dir. Yuen Woo-ping (袁和平), 1978
83. Not One Less (一個都不能少); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1999
83. Flowers of Shanghai (海上花); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1998
83. The River (河流); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1997
91. Police Story (警察故事); dir. Jackie Chan (成龍), 1985
91. Once Upon a Time in China (黃飛鴻); dir. Tsui Hark (徐克), 1991
91. The Hole (洞); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1998
91. Devils on the Doorstep (鬼子來了); dir. Jiang Wen (姜文), 2000


Seen 36.  Bolded the ones I have in my personal collection.  Some are in my top 100.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bill Thompson on January 27, 2011, 02:28:44 PM
100 GREATEST CHINESE-LANGUAGE FILMS

06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
18. Infernal Affairs (無間道); dir. Andrew Lau (劉偉強)、Alan Mak (麥兆輝), 2003
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
50. Raise the Red Lantern (大紅燈籠高高掛); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1991
58. Rebels of the Neon God (青少年哪吒); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1992
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994
91. Once Upon a Time in China (黃飛鴻); dir. Tsui Hark (徐克), 1991

I've only seen these 9, pretty sad on my part.  :-[
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on January 27, 2011, 02:29:40 PM
41. Darkness and Light (黑暗之光); dir. Chang Tso-chi (張作驥), 1999
83. Hill of No Return (無言的山丘); dir. Wang Tung (王童), 1992

Hmm...these two aren't in the bracket.

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: worm@work on January 27, 2011, 02:46:58 PM
41. Darkness and Light (黑暗之光); dir. Chang Tso-chi (張作驥), 1999
83. Hill of No Return (無言的山丘); dir. Wang Tung (王童), 1992

Hmm...these two aren't in the bracket.

pixote

Yep, that was one of the first things I checked. Sadly, they seem to be unavailable as far as I can tell :-\.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 27, 2011, 03:04:37 PM
06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
23. The Wedding Banquet (喜宴); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1992
30. Farewell My Concubine (霸王別姬); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1993
44. To Live (活著); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1994
50. Raise the Red Lantern (大紅燈籠高高掛); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1991

Hum....Perhaps it's time for more Chinese cinema.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on January 27, 2011, 03:14:45 PM
05. Spring in a Small Town (小城之春); dir. Fei Mu (費穆), 1948
11. The Love Eterne (梁山伯與祝英台); dir. Li Han-hsiang (李翰祥), 1963
19. Street Angel (馬路天使); dir. Yuan Muzhi (袁牧之), 1937
23. The Goddess (神女); dir. Wu Yonggang (吳永剛), 1934
40. Spring River Flows East (一江春水向東流); dir. Cai Chusheng (蔡楚生) & Zheng Junli (鄭君里), 1947
50. Beautiful Duckling (養鴨人家); dir. Lee Hsing (李行), 1964
50. The Highway (大路); dir. Sun Yu (孫瑜), 1934
73. Sun, Moon and Star (星星月亮太陽); dir. Yi Wen (易文), 1962
91. Two Stage Sisters (舞台姊妹); dir. Xie Jin (謝晉), 1965
91. Little Toys (小玩意); dir. Sun Yu (孫瑜), 1933
91. The Lin Family Shop (林家舖子); dir. Shui Hua (水華), 1959
91. Crossroads (十字街頭); dir. Shen Xiling (沈西苓), 1937

Wow, those are the only titles from 1965 and earlier.

(That'd be an interesting marathon.)

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 27, 2011, 03:33:29 PM
The Mission?  ???

Just watched that a couple days ago.  Really good.  I'm thinking about a Johnnie To marathon.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 27, 2011, 03:35:08 PM
33 for me.

Me too!
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mañana on January 27, 2011, 03:37:40 PM
The Mission?  ???
Just watched that a couple days ago.  Really good.  I'm thinking about a Johnnie To marathon.
I thought it was OKish.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Melvil on January 27, 2011, 03:40:48 PM
Interesting list. I've only seen 12 or 13 of those, though quite a few more are on my radar.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Corndog on January 27, 2011, 03:44:36 PM
How is Brighter Summer Day not available in the US!?
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on January 27, 2011, 03:56:11 PM
How is Brighter Summer Day not available in the US!?

I believe Criterion is working on it.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on January 27, 2011, 04:17:59 PM
Seen 10...only a couple that I'm particularly enamored with. Shower needs to be on the list, it is better than all of these.

06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
18. Infernal Affairs (無間道); dir. Andrew Lau (劉偉強)、Alan Mak (麥兆輝), 2003
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
26. Happy Together (春光乍洩); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1997
30. Farewell My Concubine (霸王別姬); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1993
30. Lust, Caution (色,戒); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2007
48. Kung Fu Hustle (功夫); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2005
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on January 27, 2011, 07:53:26 PM
Only seen 25  :-[
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: StudentOFilm on January 27, 2011, 11:18:46 PM
I've seen 15...

04. Days of Being Wild (阿飛正傳); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1990
06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
17. A Better Tomorrow (英雄本色); dir. John Woo (吳宇森), 1986
18. Infernal Affairs (無間道); dir. Andrew Lau (劉偉強)、Alan Mak (麥兆輝), 2003
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
23. The Wedding Banquet (喜宴); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1992
26. Happy Together (春光乍洩); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1997
30. Farewell My Concubine (霸王別姬); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1993
30. Lust, Caution (色,戒); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2007
48. Kung Fu Hustle (功夫); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2005
50. Ashes of Time (東邪西毒); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994
83. Not One Less (一個都不能少); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1999
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 27, 2011, 11:28:04 PM
The 33 I've seen:

04. Days of Being Wild (阿飛正傳); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1990
05. Spring in a Small Town (小城之春); dir. Fei Mu (費穆), 1948
06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
09. Dragon Inn (龍門客棧); dir. King Hu (胡金銓), 1967
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 20004
15. A Touch of Zen (俠女); dir. King Hu (胡金銓), 1971
17. A Better Tomorrow (英雄本色); dir. John Woo (吳宇森), 1986
18. Infernal Affairs (無間道); dir. Andrew Lau (劉偉強)、Alan Mak (麥兆輝), 2003
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
23. The Wedding Banquet (喜宴); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1992
26. Happy Together (春光乍洩); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1997
30. Center Stage (阮玲玉); dir. Stanley Kwan (關錦鵬), 1992
30. Lust, Caution (色,戒); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2007
41. The Puppetmaster (戲夢人生); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1993
44. The Mission (鎗火); dir. Johnnie To (杜琪峰), 1999
44. Still Life (三峽好人); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 2006
44. To Live (活著); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1994
48. Kung Fu Hustle (功夫); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2005
50. Taipei Story (青梅竹馬); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1985
50. Ashes of Time (東邪西毒); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
50. Raise the Red Lantern (大紅燈籠高高掛); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1991
58. Rebels of the Neon God (青少年哪吒); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1992
66. Shaolin Soccer (少林足球); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2001
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994
66. Drunken Master (醉拳); dir. Yuen Woo-ping (袁和平), 1978
66. Zu: Warriors from the Magic Mountain (新蜀山劍俠); dir. Tsui Hark (徐克), 1983
73. The One-Armed Swordsman (獨臂刀); dir. Chang Cheh (張徹), 1967
73. A Chinese Odyssey I-II (西遊記); dir. Jeff Lau (劉鎮偉), 1995
73. Platform (站台); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 2000
83. Flowers of Shanghai (海上花); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1998
91. Police Story (警察故事); dir. Jackie Chan (成龍), 1985
91. Once Upon a Time in China (黃飛鴻); dir. Tsui Hark (徐克), 1991
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: worm@work on January 28, 2011, 05:40:38 AM
My list of 30:

02. A Brighter Summer Day (牯嶺街少年殺人事件); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1991
04. Days of Being Wild (阿飛正傳); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1990
06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (一一); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 2000
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
11. The Terrorizer (恐怖份子); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1986
18. Infernal Affairs (無間道); dir. Andrew Lau (劉偉強)、Alan Mak (麥兆輝), 2003
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
21. Red Sorghum (紅高粱); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1987
23. The Wedding Banquet (喜宴); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1992
23. The Boys From Fengkuei (風櫃來的人); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1983
26. Happy Together (春光乍洩); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1997
30. Farewell My Concubine (霸王別姬); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1993
30. Lust, Caution (色,戒); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2007
35. Xiao Wu (小武); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 1997
41. The Puppetmaster (戲夢人生); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1993
44. Still Life (三峽好人); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 2006
44. To Live (活著); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1994
48. Kung Fu Hustle (功夫); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2005
50. Taipei Story (青梅竹馬); dir. Edward Yang (楊德昌), 1985
50. Ashes of Time (東邪西毒); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
50. Raise the Red Lantern (大紅燈籠高高掛); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1991
58. Made in Hong Kong (香港製造); dir. Fruit Chan (陳果), 1997
66. Shaolin Soccer (少林足球); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2001
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994
66. Drunken Master (醉拳); dir. Yuen Woo-ping (袁和平), 1978
73. Platform (站台); dir. Jia Zhangke (賈樟柯), 2000
83. Not One Less (一個都不能少); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1999
83. Flowers of Shanghai (海上花); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1998
91. The Hole (洞); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1998
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on January 28, 2011, 05:28:00 PM
Too much listing, not enough ranking!

(Also, too many kanji!)

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 28, 2011, 05:32:21 PM
(Also, too many kanji!)

Wrong language!
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on January 28, 2011, 05:34:30 PM
(Also, too many kanji!)

Wrong language!

But it's such a cool-sounding word!

Hanzi?

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 28, 2011, 05:36:43 PM
Yeah, hanzi.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oneaprilday on February 10, 2011, 10:42:33 PM
Only 11:

06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon
07. Yi Yi: A One and a Two
09. In the Mood for Love
21. Chung King Express
30. Farewell My Concubine
44. Still Life
48. Kung Fu Hustle
50. Raise the Red Lantern
66. Shaolin Soccer
66. Eat Drink Man Woman
83. Not One Less
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on February 15, 2011, 01:28:09 PM
100 Best British Films by Time Out London (http://www.timeout.com/london/bestbritishfilms/)

Some big names contributed as voters like Mike Leigh, Ken Loach, Terence F*ckin' Davies, Wes Anderson, Cuaron, Gondry, Sally Hawkins, and Olivia Williams among others including prominent critics especially from the UK.  You can view each voter's list, and many write up their criteria.

The Start the Countdown tab includes capsule reviews for each film.  The Full List tab doesn't have capsules, but as you'll find out, clicking the movie title or picture will bring you to the Countdown list version anyway.

My only complaint is that The Long Day Closes is criminally ranked low!
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on February 15, 2011, 01:37:17 PM
Since The Bill Douglas Trilogy made it, I would've loved to see a film or two from The Terence Davies Trilogy on the list as well especially since Derek Jarman was a fan of the trilogy and wrote an appreciative article of it titled A Different Kind of British Cinema.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on February 15, 2011, 02:18:05 PM
Kind of a weak area for me, only 63/100.  There are several titles there already on my want-to-see list, however (the Bill Douglas stuff, Secret & Lies, Long Good Friday, Fish Tank).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on February 15, 2011, 03:18:11 PM
Kind of shocked to see Nil by Mouth at #21. Can anyone here second that recommendation?

Biggest omissions (according to my Top 100): Children of Men, Truly, Madly, Deeply, and Vertical Features Remake. I'm also disappointed the British Documentary Movement wasn't more strongly represented.

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 15, 2011, 03:43:50 PM
Arts and Faith Top 100 2011 Edition (http://artsandfaith.com/t100/)

Arts and Faith Top 25 Horror Movies (http://artsandfaith.com/t100/25_horror.html)

I like both these lists a lot. Both remind me of stuff I should have seen by now.

Marathon time!
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on February 15, 2011, 03:51:54 PM
Only 27 of BFI100

56 of the Arts and Faith 100, though many of them I've watched since the old list came out made me go "why is this on a list about faith?"
Seen about half the 25 horror list.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 15, 2011, 03:59:41 PM
It's not that the films are necessarily about faith, but simply that they are a collective top 100 made by the Arts and Faith forum members, much like our filmspotting top 100.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on February 15, 2011, 04:05:35 PM
Arts and Faith Top 100 2011 Edition (http://artsandfaith.com/t100/)

Arts and Faith Top 25 Horror Movies (http://artsandfaith.com/t100/25_horror.html)

I like both these lists a lot. Both remind me of stuff I should have seen by now.

Marathon time!

84/100 and 23/25 (or 23/26 if you count the remake of Let the Right One In)

I've always liked the Arts & Faith top 100 list, really thoughtful stuff.  It's not just "movies about faith" but movies about being human... inspirational and/or thought-provoking films.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on October 07, 2011, 07:29:36 PM
Dave Kehr's top 10 lists (chicago release dates)

1974

1. The Little Theatre of Jean Renoir (Renoir)
2. Fear Eats the Soul (Fassbinder)
3. The Tamarind Seed (Edwards)
4. Wedding in Blood (Chabrol)
5. The Three Musketeers (Lester)
6. Chinatown (Polanski)
7. The Phantom of Liberty (Bunuel)
8. Lacombe, Lucien (Malle)
9. The Godfather: Part II (Coppola)
10. Juggernaut (Lester)

1975

1. Lancelot du Lac (Bresson)
2. The Middle of the World (Tanner)
3. A Woman Under the Influence (Cassavetes)
4. The Passenger (Antonioni)
5. La Rupture (Chabrol)
6. Love Among the Ruins (Cukor)
7. Fox and His Friends (Fassbinder)
8. The Romantic Englishwoman (Losey)
9. Hard Times (Hill)
10. Supervixens (Meyer)

1976

1. Family Plot (Hitchcock)
2. The Age of Medici + Blaise Pascal (Rossellini)
3. Robin and Marian (Lester)
4. Jonah Who Will Be 25 in the Year 2000 (Tanner)
5. The Man Who Would Be King (Huston)
6. The Shootist (Siegel)
7. Just Before Nightfall (Chabrol)
8. Mother Kuster's Trip to Heaven (Fassbinder)
9. French Provincial (Techine)
10. Allegro non troppo (Bozzeto)

1977

1. F for Fake (Welles)
2. The Memory of Justice (Ophuls)
3. The Marquise of O (Rohmer)
4. A Piece of Pleasure (Chabrol)
5. Numero Deux (Godard)
6. Moses und Aron (Straub + Huillet)
7. Islands in the Stream (Schaffner)
8. The Gauntlet (Eastwood)
9. Padre, Padrone (Taviani Bros)
10. The Rescuers (Reitherman + Stevens + Lounsbery)

1978

1. Days of Heaven (Malick)
2. That Obscure Object of Desire (Bunuel)
3. The American Friend (Wenders)
4. Meetings With Anna (Akerman)
5. The Messiah (Rossellini)
6. The Driver (Hill)
7. Halloween (Carpenter)
8. Big Wednesday (Milius)
9. Blue Collar (Schrader)
10. Filming Othello (Welles)

1979

1. 10 (Edwards)
2. THe Left-handed Woman (Handke)
3. Dawn of the Dead (Romero)
4. Perceval (Rohmer)
5. The Warriors (Hill)
6. La Luna (Bertolucci)
7. Escape From Alcatraz (Siegel)
8. In a Year of 13 Moons (Fassbinder)
9. Fedora (Wilder)
10. Angi, Vera (Gabor)

1980

1. The Devil, Probably (Bresson)
2. The Human Factor (Preminger)
3. The Constant Factor (Zanussi)
4. The Big Red One (Fuller)
5. Used Cars (Zemeckis)
6. Quadrophenia (Roddam)
7. The Black Stallion (Ballard)
8. Gloria (Cassavetes)
9. Mad Max (Miller)
10. The Long Riders (Hill)

1981

1. Melvin and Howard (Demme)
2. Loulou (Pialat)
3. The Chant of Jimmie Blacksmith (Schepisi)
4. Here and Elsewhere (Godard)
5. Slow Motion (Godard)
6. Confidence (Szabo)
7. From the Clouds to the Resistance (Straub + Huillet)
8. Modern Romance (Brooks)
9. Atlantic City (Malle)
10. Reds (Beatty)

1982

1. The Aviator's Wife (Rohmer)
2. Barbarose (Schepisi)
3. Coup de torchon (Tavernier)
4. Eijanaika (Imamura)
5. Mes petites amoureuses (Eustache)
6. Moonlighting (Skolimowski)
7. Le pont du nord (Rivette)
8. Smash Palace (Donaldson)
9. Too Early, Too Late (Straub + Huillet)
10. Victor/Victoria (Edwards)

1983

1. Francisca (de Oliveira)
2. A Room in Town (Demy)
3. Berlin Alexanderplatz (Fassbinder)
4. Ana (Reis + Cordero)
5. The Golden Eighties (Akerman)
6. The State of Things (Wenders)
7. Exposed (Toback)
8. Risky Business (Brickman)
9. Sudden Impact (Eastwood)
10. Fanny & Alexander (Bergman)

1984

1. L'argent (Bresson)
2. Love Streams (Cassavetes)
3. Once Upon a Time in America (Leone)
4. Passion (Godard)
5. A Sunday in the Country (Tavernier)
6. Three Crowns of a Sailor (Ruiz)
7. A nos amours (Pialat)
8. In the White City (Tanner)
9. Boy Meets Girl (Carax)
10. My Brother's Wedding (Burnett)

1985

1. Ran (Kurosawa)
2. Lost in America (Brooks)
3. Mikey and Nicky (May)
4. After Hours (Scorsese)
5. Les Enfants (Duras)
6. Day of the Dead (Romero)
7. Pale Rider (Eastwood)
8. City of Pirates (Ruiz)
9. Maria's Lovers (Konchalovsky)
10. The Legend of Tianyun Mountain (Jin)

1986

1. Shoah (Lanzmann)
2. The Sacrifice (Tarkovsky)
3. Something Wild (Demme)
4. Vagabond (Varda)
5. The Fly (Cronenberg)
6. Trouble in Mind (Rudolph)
7. Himatsuri (Yanagimachi)
8. Heartbreak Ridge (Eastwood)
9. Peggy Sue Got Married (Coppola)
10. Blue Velvet (Lynch)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on October 07, 2011, 09:03:50 PM
Those are some good lists.  Glad he agrees with me about The Black Stallion.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mañana on October 07, 2011, 10:36:25 PM
8. The Gauntlet (Eastwood)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/The_gauntlet.jpg)

I've never heard of this but I assume it's amazing.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 07, 2011, 11:06:43 PM
A lot I agree with, a lot I disagree with.  He seems to have a hard-on for the French (I can't stand Straub/Huillet, and Lancelot du Lac is Bresson's biggest dud).  And I think Family Plot is underrated, but #1?  Give me a break, it smacks of someone deliberately going against the grain.

I'd like to see that Yanagimachi, though.  Who's Camus Anyway? is fantastic and Godspeed You! Black Emperor is pretty interesting too.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 08, 2011, 12:49:59 PM
And I think Family Plot is underrated, but #1?  Give me a break, it smacks of someone deliberately going against the grain.
Some people love underrated things...
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jim brown on October 09, 2011, 09:59:38 AM
8. The Gauntlet (Eastwood)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/The_gauntlet.jpg)

I've never heard of this but I assume it's amazing.

Not perfect, but if you are a Clint Eastwood fan, it should be seen.  As should this:

(http://i54.tinypic.com/25f61xz.jpg)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on October 09, 2011, 02:40:51 PM
The Gauntlet is silly, but the amount of ammo expended is astonishing.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on October 09, 2011, 03:07:03 PM
8. The Gauntlet (Eastwood)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/The_gauntlet.jpg)

I've never heard of this but I assume it's amazing.

Not perfect, but if you are a Clint Eastwood fan, it should be seen.  As should this:

(http://i54.tinypic.com/25f61xz.jpg)

The Gauntlet poster is better than the film (but it is a great poster), and Tightrope is better than The Gauntlet. I would still recommend watching both of them.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on October 26, 2011, 07:01:05 PM
04. Days of Being Wild (阿飛正傳); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1990
06. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (臥虎藏龍); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2000
09. In the Mood for Love (花樣年華); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 2000
17. A Better Tomorrow (英雄本色); dir. John Woo (吳宇森), 1986
18. Infernal Affairs (無間道); dir. Andrew Lau (劉偉強)、Alan Mak (麥兆輝), 2003
21. Chung King Express (重慶森林); dir. Wong Kar-wai (王家衛), 1994
21. Red Sorghum (紅高粱); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1987
30. Farewell My Concubine (霸王別姬); dir. Chen Kaige (陳凱歌), 1993
30. Lust, Caution (色,戒); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 2007
48. Kung Fu Hustle (功夫); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2005
50. Raise the Red Lantern (大紅燈籠高高掛); dir. Zhang Yimou (張藝謀), 1991
58. Rebels of the Neon God (青少年哪吒); dir. Tsai Ming-liang (蔡明亮), 1992
66. Shaolin Soccer (少林足球); dir. Stephen Chow (周星馳), 2001
66. Eat Drink Man Woman (飲食男女); dir. Ang Lee (李安), 1994
73. Summer Palace (頤和園); dir. Lou Ye (婁燁), 2006
83. Flowers of Shanghai (海上花); dir. Hou Hsiao-hsien (侯孝賢), 1998

Not seen as many as I would have thought.  I think I got about another 5 or 6 of those around here that I need to get around to watching

Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on December 16, 2011, 04:07:08 PM
Quote
Film Comment magazine's annual year-end survey of film critics, editors, and past and present contributors has been released

Film Comment's Best Released films of 2011:

1. The Tree of Life, directed by Terrence Malick, U.S.
2. Uncle Boonmee, Who Can Recall His Past Lives, directedy by Apichatpong Weerasethakul, Thailand/U.K./France/Germany
3. Melancholia, directed by Lars von Trier, Denmark/Sweden/France/Germany
4. A Separation, directed by Asghar Farhadi, Iran
5. A Dangerous Method, directed by David Cronenberg, Canada/Germany
6. Mysteries of Lisbon, directed by Raúl Ruiz, France/Portugal
7. Certified Copy, directed by Abbas Kiarostami, France/Italy/Belgium
8. Meek's Cutoff, directed by Kelly Reichardt, U.S.
9. Hugo, directed by Martin Scorsese, U.S.
10. Poetry, directed by Lee Chang-dong, South Korea
11. Film Socialisme, directed by Jean-Luc Godard, Switzerland
12. Le Havre, directed by Aki Kaurismäki, Finland/France
13. The Autobiography of Nicolae Ceausescu, directed by Andrei Ujica, Romania
14. Le quattro volte, directed by Michelangelo Frammartino, Italy/Germany/Switzerland
15. The Descendants, directed by Alexander Payne, U.S.
16. Nostalgia for the Light, directed by Patricio Guzmán, Chile/France/Germany
17. A Brighter Summer Day, directed by Edward Yang, Taiwan/Japan
18. Midnight in Paris, directed by Woody Allen, Spain/U.S.
19. Take Shelter, directed by Jeff Nichols, U.S.
20. Margaret, directed by Kenneth Lonergan, U.S.
[...]
45. Tabloid, directed by Errol Morris, U.S.
46. Rise of the Planet of the Apes, directed by Rupert Wyatt, U.S.
47. Terri
, directed by Azazel Jacobs, U.S.
48. J. Edgar, directed by Clint Eastwood, U.S.
49. Jane Eyre, directed by Cary Joji Fukunaga, U.K.
50. Pina
, directed by Wim Wenders, Germany/France

Full list here (http://www.filmlinc.com/blog/entry/film-comment-announces-2011-best-of-year-list)
Debate on list here (http://www.filmlinc.com/blog/entry/smith-foundas-the-best-of-2011)


Film Comment's Best Unreleased films of 2011:

1.  This Is Not a Film, directed by Jafar Panahi, Iran
2.  The Turin Horse, directed by Béla Tarr, Hungary/France/Switzerland/Germany
3.  Once Upon A Time in Anatolia, directed by Nuri Bilge Ceylan, Turkey
4.  The Kid with a Bike, directed by Jean-Pierre & Luc Dardenne, Belgium/France
5.  The Loneliest Planet, directed by Julia Loktev, U.S./Germany
6.  Miss Bala, directed by Gerardo Naranjo, Mexico
7.  Footnote, directed by Joseph Cedar, Israel
8.  Kill List, directed by Ben Wheatley, U.K.
9.  Sleeping Sickness, directed by Ulrich Koehler, Germany
10. Play, directed by Rüben Ostlund, Sweden/France/Denmark
[...]
25. Elena, directed by Andrei Zvyagintsev, Russia
26. You Are Not I, directed by Sara Driver, U.S.
27. Words of Mercury, directed by Jerome Hiler, U.S.
28. Crazy Horse, directed by Frederick Wiseman, France/U.S.
29. Faust, directed by Alexander Sokurov, Russia
30. Seeking the Monkey King, directed by Ken Jacobs, U.S.
[...]

Full list here (http://www.filmlinc.com/film-comment/entry/film-comments-best-unreleased-movies-of-2011)
Debate on list here (http://www.filmlinc.com/blog/entry/smith-foundas-the-best-of-2011)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 16, 2011, 04:32:19 PM
Unreleased, eh? I assume this means Crazy Horse will be nominated for a Filmspot  :P
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 16, 2011, 06:18:49 PM
Slant's 25 Best Films of 2011 (http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/feature/the-25-best-films-of-2011/295/page_1)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on December 16, 2011, 09:41:10 PM
I wonder what the general feeling is towards A Brighter Summer Day, which appears on both lists. Critics in these two groups seem to have no problem placing a 1991 film, if only because it finally got a U.S. theatrical release in 2011.

I'm torn about this because I don't want to come off like America is the center of the film world, even though I will have Love Exposure in my Top 10. That film is from 2008, but also received a U.S. release this year. I'm just as happy leaving such an obscure cult film off my 2011 Top 10, and promoting it solely as a buried treasure.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 16, 2011, 09:43:12 PM
I'm not. I go by limited release in US on IMDB. I'd much rather place a film like this (if I think it's legitimately better than the US domestic release of 2011) than shoehorn myself into a list of predominately US films.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: ses on December 16, 2011, 10:16:30 PM
The Gauntlet is silly, but the amount of ammo expended is astonishing.

I saw this a few weeks ago, and I have to agree.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: zarodinu on December 19, 2011, 02:55:57 AM
100 Best British Films by Time Out London (http://www.timeout.com/london/bestbritishfilms/)

Some big names contributed as voters like Mike Leigh, Ken Loach, Terence F*ckin' Davies, Wes Anderson, Cuaron, Gondry, Sally Hawkins, and Olivia Williams among others including prominent critics especially from the UK.  You can view each voter's list, and many write up their criteria.

Wow.  Amazing list, thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this.
Title: Roger's Top 20 of 2011
Post by: sdb_1970 on December 20, 2011, 08:41:17 PM

The following is Roger Ebert's Top 20 of 2011:
1. A Separation
2. Shame
3. Tree of Life
4. Hugo
5. Take Shelter
6. Kinyarwanda
7. Drive
8. Midnight in Paris
9. La Havre
10. The Artist
11. Melancholia
12. Terri
13. The Descendants
14. Margaret
15. Martha Marcy May Marlene
16. Harry Potter 2
17. Trust
18. Life, Above All
19. The Miller and the Cross
20. Another Earth

I enjoy reading his reviews (probably more than any other reviewer) along with his essays, but when it comes to film, I know where our interests diverge and he tends to deal out way too many stars.  (Considering that I only have the time/opportunity to see about 40 new films this year, I have absolutely no interest in 'A Separation,' 'Kinyarwanda,' 'Life, Above All', 'The Miller and the Cross', or 'Another Earth.')

But then there are always the pleasant surprises.  In this year's list, I was happy to see some love for 'Terri', which I really enjoyed, and and 'Margaret', which got very little attention. 

'Margaret' was one of the most difficult films for me in 2011 in terms of recommending/not recommending.  The production of the film has its own storied history that I won't repeat here.  And as a number of reviewers pointed out, there is certainly a problem with the pacing.  But what intrigued me the most was my own emotional reaction to the main character - which was resoundingly negative - and which seemed to differ from those around me.  I honestly don't know whether to praise or pan Anna Paquin's performance.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Corndog on December 20, 2011, 09:34:58 PM
I saw Terri recently and wasn't that taken by it, but otherwise I like his list. I guess seeing 'Life, Above All' on it helps me understand more why I currently have it from Netflix.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on December 21, 2011, 06:05:34 AM
IndieWire's annual critics survey:

1   The Tree of Life
2   Melancholia   
3   A Separation   
4   Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives   
5   Drive   
6   Certified Copy   
7   Mysteries of Lisbon   
8   Hugo   
9   Margaret   
10   Meek's Cutoff   
11   Shame   
12   The Descendants   
13   The Artist   
14   Take Shelter   
15   Martha Marcy May Marlene   
16   A Dangerous Method   
17   Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy   
18   We Need to Talk About Kevin   
19   Film Socialisme   
20   Weekend

To see films 21 and beyond, top performances, other categories, and individual ballots go over to IndieWire (http://www.indiewire.com/survey/).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: FLYmeatwad on December 21, 2011, 08:09:42 AM
ToL is really cleaning up, glad to see it hasn't been forgotten.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on December 21, 2011, 03:04:33 PM
100 Best British Films by Time Out London (http://www.timeout.com/london/bestbritishfilms/)

Some big names contributed as voters like Mike Leigh, Ken Loach, Terence F*ckin' Davies, Wes Anderson, Cuaron, Gondry, Sally Hawkins, and Olivia Williams among others including prominent critics especially from the UK.  You can view each voter's list, and many write up their criteria.

Wow.  Amazing list, thank you, thank you, thank you for posting this.

No prob.  Yeah, the list is great. 
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Harpo Speaks on January 04, 2012, 07:14:57 PM
For those who may be interested, Mark Kermode's top 11 films of 2011 are as follows:

1. We Need to Talk About Kevin
2. Le Quattro Volte
3. Benda Bilili!
4. The Artist
5. A Separation
6. Senna
7. Melancholia
8. Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
9. Hugo
10. Kill List
11. Tyrannosaur

I've only seen 5 of these, though 4 of them would probably make my top 10 of the year (WNTTAK, TTSS, Melancholia and Kill List). Tyrannosaur had some brilliant performances, but the film overall wouldn't make it for me.

Off to see The Artist this weekend all being well.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdb_1970 on January 07, 2012, 08:28:27 PM
This 2011 list is about as close to getting it "right" as I have seen this year:

http://www.nationalsocietyoffilmcritics.com/ (http://www.nationalsocietyoffilmcritics.com/)
The Society, which is made up of 58 of the country’s most prominent movie critics, held its 46th annual awards voting meeting at Sardi’s Restaurant in New York City, using a weighted ballot system. Scrolls will be sent to the winners.

BEST ACTOR
 *1. Brad Pitt – 35 (Moneyball, The Tree of Life)
 2. Gary Oldman – 22 (Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy)
 3. Jean Dujardin – 19 (The Artist)
 
BEST ACTRESS
 *1. Kirsten Dunst – 39 (Melancholia)
 2. Yun Jung-hee – 25 (Poetry)
 3. Meryl Streep – 20 (The Iron Lady)
 
BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
 *1. Albert Brooks – 38 (Drive)
 2. Christopher Plummer – 24 (Beginners)
 3. Patton Oswalt – 19 (Young Adult)
 
BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
 *1. Jessica Chastain – 30 (The Tree of Life, Take Shelter, The Help)
 2. Jeannie Berlin – 19 (Margaret)
 3. Shailene Woodley – 17 (The Descendants)
 
BEST PICTURE
 *1. Melancholia – 29 (Lars von Trier)
 2. The Tree of Life – 28 (Terrence Malick)
 3. A Separation – 20 (Asghar Farhadi)
 
BEST DIRECTOR
 *1. Terrence Malick – 31 (The Tree of Life)
 2. Martin Scorsese – 29 (Hugo)
 3. Lars von Trier – 23 (Melancholia)
 
BEST NONFICTION
 *1. Cave of Forgotten Dreams – 35 (Werner Herzog)
 2. The Interrupters – 26 (Steve James)
 3. Into the Abyss – 18 (Werner Herzog)
 
BEST SCREENPLAY
 *1. A Separation – 39 (Asghar Farhadi)
 2. Moneyball – 22 (Steven Zaillian, Aaron Sorkin)
 3. Midnight in Paris – 16 (Woody Allen)

BEST FOREIGN-LANGUAGE FILM
 *1. A Separation – 67 (Asghar Farhadi)
 2. Mysteries of Lisbon – 28 (Raoul Ruiz)
 3. Le Havre – 22 (Aki Kaurismäki)
 
BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
 *1. The Tree of Life – 76 (Emanuel Lubezki)
 2. Melancholia – 41 (Manuel Alberto Claro)
 3. Hugo – 33 (Robert Richardson)
 
EXPERIMENTAL
 Ken Jacobs, for “Seeking the Monkey King.”

FILM HERITAGE
 1. BAMcinématek for its complete Vincente Minnelli retrospective with all titles shown on 16 mm. or 35 mm. film.
 2. Lobster Films, Groupama Gan Foundation for Cinema and the Technicolor Foundation for Cinema for the restoration of the color version of George Méliès’s “A Trip to the Moon.”
 3. New York’s Museum of Modern Art for its extensive retrospective of Weimar Cinema.
 4. Flicker Alley for their box set “Landmarks of Early Soviet Film.”
 5. Criterion Collecton for its 2-disc DVD package “The Complete Jean Vigo.”
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mousterpiece on January 07, 2012, 09:42:53 PM
Am I the only person who was not bowled over by Brad Pitt in either Moneyball or Tree of Life? He's fine in them, but not best-of-the-year material.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: StudentOFilm on January 15, 2012, 12:24:57 PM
The man is half-sane half-crazy!

Quote from: Tarantino Archives
Quentin Tarantino’s official Top 11 of 2011

1. Midnight In Paris
2. Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes
3. Moneyball
4. The Skin I Live In
5. X-Men: First Class
6. Young Adult
7. Attack The Block
8. Red State
9. Warrior
10. The Artist / Our Idiot Brother (tie)
11. The Three Musketeers

Others considered in no particular order

50/50
Beginners
Hugo
The Iron Lady
Carnage
Green Hornet
Green Lantern
Captain America
The Descendants
My Week With Marilyn
Fast Five
The Tree Of Life
The Hangover Part II
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
The Beaver
Contagion
The Sitter
War Horse

Nice Try Award

Drive
Hanna
Drive Angry
Real Steel

Best Director

Pedro Almodovar
Bennett Miller
Woody Allen
Jason Reitman
Michel Hazanavicius

Best Original Screenplay

Midnight In Paris
Young Adult
Red State
Attack The Block
Our Idiot Brother
Beginners

Best Adapted Screenplay

Moneyball
The Skin I live In
Carnage
Rise Of The Planet Of The Apes
Hugo
X-Men: First Class

Worst Films

Sucker Punch
Potiche (Trophy Wife)
Miral
Insidious
Rampart
Straw Dogs
Paranormal Activity 3
Meek’s Cutoff
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mousterpiece on January 15, 2012, 06:41:15 PM
This list makes perfect sense, considering Quentin Tarantino's awful taste in movies. Oh, sorry, "eclectic." He has...eclectic...taste in movies.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Clovis8 on January 15, 2012, 07:48:11 PM
This list makes perfect sense, considering Quentin Tarantino's awful taste in movies. Oh, sorry, "eclectic." He has...eclectic...taste in movies.

It's pretty amazing his taste can be so awful yet he can still make such great films.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on January 16, 2012, 08:30:34 AM
This list makes perfect sense, considering Quentin Tarantino's awful taste in movies. Oh, sorry, "eclectic." He has...eclectic...taste in movies.

It's pretty amazing his taste can be so awful yet he can still make such great films.

What is wrong with his tastes?  Is it the movies he loves or hates?  At least for what he loves, it seems to be a bit of everything that would fall on a best of list if you were to randomly take 3 or 4 samples from critics.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: shuabert on January 16, 2012, 08:59:04 AM
This list makes perfect sense, considering Quentin Tarantino's awful taste in movies. Oh, sorry, "eclectic." He has...eclectic...taste in movies.

It's pretty amazing his taste can be so awful yet he can still make such great films.

What is wrong with his tastes?  Is it the movies he loves or hates?  At least for what he loves, it seems to be a bit of everything that would fall on a best of list if you were to randomly take 3 or 4 samples from critics.

Except The Three Musketeers. I've yet to see that make anyone's top ten list.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on January 16, 2012, 09:05:37 AM
I've seen The Three Musketeers in a few top 10's. Paul W.S. Anderson has a few critical champions.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on January 16, 2012, 09:11:30 AM
I'm more concerned with the "others considered" section. I mean Hangover, Part II...ouch.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mañana on January 16, 2012, 09:15:50 AM
QT is a lover of movies. You're all just a bunch of crabs on the internet.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on January 16, 2012, 09:23:30 AM
I'm more concerned with the "others considered" section. I mean Hangover, Part II...ouch.

The beauty of it is that Tree of Life is the one mention above:)

Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: StudentOFilm on January 16, 2012, 02:46:33 PM
I actually only take issue with the films he didn't like- Drive, Hanna, Meek's Cutoff.

The only ones he liked that I disliked would be Red State, Green Lantern, The Green Hornet, and Captain America.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on March 13, 2012, 06:50:53 PM
The 2012 Sight and Sound greatest films poll will come out later this year, and just in case S & S takes down the directors' and critics' ballots for the 2002 poll, if any of you are interested, you should check out the ballots now (for fun or reference):

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/polls/topten/poll/list.php?list=voters&votertype=director

and

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sightandsound/polls/topten/poll/list.php?list=voters&votertype=critic
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on March 13, 2012, 07:00:35 PM
My favorite of those is Michael Mann's. He actually gives explanations for everything. My other favorite is Bruce LaBruce's, mainly cuz of this:

"The Bellboy (Lewis)
Monsieur Lewis' directorial debut, comprised mostly of sight gags and slapstick purloined from the silent era, achieves postmodern complexity before the term existed."
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on March 13, 2012, 07:47:55 PM
I'm so excited for the new poll.  My prediction: Vertigo knocks off Kane.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mañana on March 13, 2012, 08:25:55 PM
My prediction: Vertigo knocks off Kane.
On both, or just the critic list?
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on March 14, 2012, 12:10:51 AM
The critic list.  The only one that counts.  ;)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on March 14, 2012, 02:38:45 PM
The 100 Greatest Hong Kong Films (http://timeout.com.hk/film/features/49168/the-100-greatest-hong-kong-films2.html)

Only seen 13  :-[

I've been meaning to watch some Ann Hui for ages, I really need to get on that.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on March 14, 2012, 03:57:27 PM
I need to see some Ann Hui as well.

I have seen these 29:

Gallants
Hard-Boiled
Kung Fu Hustle
Ip Man
Happy Together
PTU
Once Upon a Time in China
Come Drink with Me
Police Story
The Killer
Ashes of Time
The Mission
God of Gamblers
The Eight Diagram Pole Fighter
Shaolin Soccer
City on Fire
Zu: Warriors from the Magic Mountain
The One-Armed Swordsman
Drunken Master
Mad Detective
Chungking Express
Centre Stage
A Chinese Odyssey Parts 1 & 2
Infernal Affairs
Election 2
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Days of Being Wild
A Better Tomorrow
In the Mood for Love

Not a bad one in the bunch.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on March 15, 2012, 09:38:49 PM
The 100 Greatest Hong Kong Films (http://timeout.com.hk/film/features/49168/the-100-greatest-hong-kong-films2.html)

Only seen 13  :-[

I've been meaning to watch some Ann Hui for ages, I really need to get on that.

Chow Yun Fat is in so many of those movies, it could almost be called the best of Chow Yun Fat.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on May 24, 2012, 07:17:24 PM
Susan Sontag's Top 50 as of 1977 (http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/movies/2012/05/susan-sontag-best-films-list.html):

1. Bresson, Pickpocket
2. Kubrick, 2001
3. Vidor, The Big Parade
4. Visconti, Ossessione
5. Kurosawa, High and Low
6. [Hans-Jürgen] Syberberg, Hitler
7. Godard, 2 ou 3 Choses …
8. Rossellini, Louis XIV
9. Renoir, La Règle du Jeu
10. Ozu, Tokyo Story
11. Dreyer, Gertrud
12. Eisenstein, Potemkin
13. Von Sternberg, The Blue Angel
14. Lang, Dr. Mabuse
15. Antonioni, L’Eclisse
16. Bresson, Un Condamné à Mort …
17. Gance, Napoléon
18. Vertov, The Man with the [Movie] Camera
19. [Louis] Feuillade, Judex
20. Anger, Inauguration of the Pleasure Dome
21. Godard, Vivre Sa Vie
22. Bellocchio, Pugni in Tasca
23. [Marcel] Carné, Les Enfants du Paradis
24. Kurosawa, The Seven Samurai
25. [Jacques] Tati, Playtime
26. Truffaut, L’Enfant Sauvage
27. [Jacques] Rivette, L’Amour Fou
28. Eisenstein, Strike
29. Von Stroheim, Greed
30. Straub, …Anna Magdalena Bach
31. Taviani bro[ther]s, Padre Padrone
32. Resnais, Muriel
33. [Jacques] Becker, Le Trou
34. Cocteau, La Belle et la Bête
35. Bergman, Persona
36. [Rainer Werner] Fassbinder, … Petra von Kant
37. Griffith, Intolerance
38. Godard, Contempt
39. [Chris] Marker, La Jetée
40. Conner, Crossroads
41. Fassbinder, Chinese Roulette
42. Renoir, La Grande Illusion
43. [Max] Ophüls, The Earrings of Madame de …
44. [Iosif] Kheifits, The Lady with the Little Dog
45. Godard, Les Carabiniers
46. Bresson, Lancelot du Lac
47. Ford, The Searchers
48. Bertolucci, Prima della Rivoluzione
49. Pasolini, Teorema
50. [Leontine] Sagan, Mädchen in Uniform
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: FLYmeatwad on May 24, 2012, 08:40:49 PM
Interesting, I used one of her articles in my final paper for my Visual and Digital Poetries grad class.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on May 24, 2012, 08:49:56 PM
Love Sontag.  Here's her top films of the 90s:

SUSAN SONTAG

1. The Second Circle (Aleksandr Sokurov, 1990) There's no director active today whose films I admire as much. The Days of Eclipse (1988) is, I think, his greatest film.

2. Close Up (Abbas Kiarostami, 1990) Iranian cinema has been the great revelation of the last decade. Close Up is my (and, I've heard, Kiarostami's) favorite of his films.

3. The Stone (Aleksandr Sokurov, 1992) Chekhov's ghost features in this film meditation about a night at Yalta's Chekhov Museum.

4. Naked (Mike Leigh, 1993) I've been a Mike Leigh fan since 1977's Abigail's Party (as good as Moliere). Naked is, I suppose, his deepest film.

5. The Puppetmaster (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 1993) Set in the '30s and '40s. The Taiwanese director is just as marvelous as everyone says.

6. Satantango (Bela Tarr, 1994) Devastating, enthralling for every minute of its seven hours. I'd be glad to see it every year for the rest of my life.

7. Lamerica (Gianni Amelio, 1994) Epic, "realistic," true--a great, moral film, and perhaps the saddest film I've ever seen.

8. Joan the Maid (Jacques Rivette, 1994) A masterpiece. Rivette, alone among the great filmmakers of his generation, has not changed or lowered his sights. Sandrine Bonnaire isn't Falconetti, but she is Joan of Arc.

9. Through the Olive Trees (Abbas Kiarostami, 1994) Brilliantly made, irresistibly touching.

10. Goodbye South, Goodbye (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 1996) Hoodlum-losers in the new Taiwan. As amazing as his stately, subtle, beautiful Flowers of Shanghai (1998), set in the 1880s.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on June 22, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
Andrew Sarris's Top Ten (or so) Lists, 1958-2006:

http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ejohnson/critics/sarris.html
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: smirnoff on June 22, 2012, 08:37:06 PM
Ah, so close to 1957! That would have been cool to see.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on June 22, 2012, 09:56:51 PM
Same site has the Cahiers du cinema Top Tens for 1951-2009 (http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ejohnson/critics/cahiers.html#y1957).  Here's 1957:

A King In New York (Charlie Chaplin)
Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter? (Frank Tashlin)
Nights Of Cabiria (Federico Fellini)
The Wrong Man (Alfred Hitchcock)
The Criminal Life Of Archibaldo De La Cruz (Luis Bunuel)
Sawdust And Tinsel (Ingmar Bergman)
Bigger Than Life (Nicholas Ray)
The Girl Can't Help It (Frank Tashlin)
Beyond A Reasonable Doubt (Fritz Lang)
Twelve Angry Men (Sidney Lumet)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on June 22, 2012, 10:03:59 PM
Some of those would have been strong contenders for my votes, if they were the right year by our guidelines

The Wrong Man (Alfred Hitchcock) - 1956
The Criminal Life Of Archibaldo De La Cruz (Luis Bunuel) - 1955
Sawdust And Tinsel (Ingmar Bergman) - 1953
Bigger Than Life (Nicholas Ray) - 1956
The Girl Can't Help It (Frank Tashlin) - 1956
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: verbALs on June 23, 2012, 03:42:20 AM
Same site has the Cahiers du cinema Top Tens for 1951-2009 (http://alumnus.caltech.edu/~ejohnson/critics/cahiers.html#y1957).  Here's 1957:


The Wrong Man (Alfred Hitchcock)
Bigger Than Life (Nicholas Ray)

Beyond A Reasonable Doubt (Fritz Lang)

If the first two had been available on our 57 list then they would have been up there for me. The third wouldn't have.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on July 08, 2012, 01:28:41 AM
Dick Tracy made it, which is the first title I thought of.
However, Forbidden Planet is noticeably absent.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Junior on October 10, 2012, 08:46:36 AM
The A.V. Club made their list of the top 50 movies of the 90s. Check the list.

50. Dead Man
49. American Movie
48. Ed Wood
47. Starship Troopers
46. Heavenly Creatures
45. The Limey
44. Metropolitan
43. Terminator 2: Judgment Day
42. All About My Mother
41. Raise the Red Lantern
40. Trainspotting
39. The Blair Witch Project
38. Fast, Cheap & Out of Control
37. Glengarry Glen Ross
36. L.A. Confidential
35. Naked
34. Seven
33. The Matrix
32. Close-Up
31. Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills
30. The Thin Red Line
29. Irma Vep
28. Election
27. Short Cuts
26. Eyes Wide Shut
25. Fight Club
24. Crumb
23. Carlito's Way
22. The Sweet Hereafter
21. Fargo
20. Red
19. Exotica
18. Schindler's List
17. Safe
16. The Big Lebowski
15. Groundhog Day
14. Hoop Dreams
13. Boogie Nights
12. Miller's Crossing
11. Barton Fink
10. Being John Malkovitch
9. Rushmore
8. Unforgiven
7. Reservoir Dogs
6. Out of Sight
5. Chungking Express
4. Dazed and Confused
3. Toy Story 2
2. Pulp Fiction
1. Goodfellas

Other than a movie I hate at the one spot and a glaring lack of Magnolia (both my number one and the winner of our 90s bracket), a pretty good list.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on October 10, 2012, 10:26:16 AM
Weird for such an English-centric list to include a film like Close-Up.

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: FLYmeatwad on October 10, 2012, 10:31:21 AM
TS2  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: mousterpiece on October 10, 2012, 11:00:26 AM
I so wish it'd been Toy Story over its sequel, but Pixar that high on the list? APPROVED.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on October 10, 2012, 11:31:25 AM
Great showing for Irma Vep.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Verite on November 07, 2012, 07:52:54 PM
Slant Magazine is unveiling their top 100 films of the 1990s:

#100 to #41 with write-ups (http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/feature/the-100-best-films-of-the-1990s/334/page_1).

Also, #101-#200 (just a list) (http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/2012/11/the-100-best-films-of-the-1990s/)

Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: AAAutin on December 07, 2012, 10:23:09 AM
The Best Films of 2012: A Video Countdown (https://vimeo.com/55071466) (by David Ehrlich)

The gauntlet has been thrown, Ver!
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sandy on December 07, 2012, 10:45:06 AM
 :))

Hulk singing "I" from Heroes.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdb_1970 on December 08, 2012, 07:58:13 PM
The Best Films of 2012: A Video Countdown (https://vimeo.com/55071466) (by David Ehrlich)

The gauntlet has been thrown, Ver!

Reminds me that "Nero" (currently in the 'Anna Karenina' trailer) is the kind of piece that the "Cloud Atlas Sextet" should have been.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 08, 2012, 08:03:33 PM
Pretty good video, questionable choices at times.

/snobbery
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: ArmenianScientist on December 09, 2012, 02:56:06 AM
questionable choices

Like Someone in Love at #2 instead of #1.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on December 28, 2012, 01:31:53 PM
Top 100 French Films:

http://www.timeout.fr/paris/en/film/the-100-best-french-films-100-81#.UN3h0E0AGuI.twitter
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on December 28, 2012, 01:32:57 PM
Top 200 Hong Kong Films:

http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/17/the-best-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-200-171/
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on December 28, 2012, 01:38:26 PM
Top 100 French Films:

http://www.timeout.fr/paris/en/film/the-100-best-french-films-100-81#.UN3h0E0AGuI.twitter

Mother and the Whore in the top 10, list completely invalid.

And unless I missed it, Jules and Jim isn't on there at all.  Bastards.


Top 200 Hong Kong Films:

http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/17/the-best-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-200-171/

Only 61-200 published so far.  If I counted correctly, I've only seen 16 of those (half of them Jackie Chan movies that I only vaguely recall) and only a few others are currently on my watchlist.  Could be a nice source for recommendations.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on December 28, 2012, 05:21:42 PM
Mother and the Whore in the top 10, list completely invalid.

And unless I missed it, Jules and Jim isn't on there at all.  Bastards.
Top 10 is kind of high, but Mother and the whore is a great film. Jules and Jim missing out is pretty disappointing, but it's a good list, and probably the only list of French films I've seen from a French source.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on December 28, 2012, 05:34:32 PM
I haven't seen The Mother and the Whore and Eyes without a Face is really good but I wouldn't put it nearly that high up (certainly not ahead of all the Rohmers and Bressons, probably a result of vote-splitting).  Otherwise, it's a pretty great Top 10.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on December 28, 2012, 05:44:10 PM
Top 200 Hong Kong Films:

http://www.lovehkfilm.com/blog/damnyoukozo/2012/12/17/the-best-hong-kong-films-ever-numbers-200-171/

Only 61-200 published so far.  If I counted correctly, I've only seen 16 of those (half of them Jackie Chan movies that I only vaguely recall) and only a few others are currently on my watchlist.  Could be a nice source for recommendations.

I counted 32 I've seen so far.  There's a lot of great ones on the list already.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on December 28, 2012, 08:00:10 PM
So far up to 18 of those but no Jacky Chan.  SPL would probably be my favourite.  So Close maybe more of a guilty pleasure

Overheard
Story of Ricky
Sex and Zen
So Close
A BETTER TOMORROW 2
ROYAL TRAMP
PROTÉGÉ
CURSE OF THE GOLDEN FLOWER
YOUNG AND DANGEROUS
ENTER THE DRAGON
ONCE A THIEF
NAKED KILLER
BODYGUARDS AND ASSASSINS
LIFE WITHOUT PRINCIPLE
THE WAY OF THE DRAGON
SPL
LUST, CAUTION
THE BRIDE WITH WHITE HAIR
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on December 31, 2012, 08:29:35 PM
The best films of 1922 (http://www.davidbordwell.net/blog/2012/12/31/the-ten-best-films-of-1922/)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 03, 2013, 12:22:00 AM
Of the HK ones I can remember, there are at least 10 others I may have seen, just not sure:

MY LIFE AS MCDULL (2001), directed by Toe Yuen
SO CLOSE (2002). directed by Corey Yuen
A BETTER TOMORROW 2 (1987), directed by John Woo
THE TAI-CHI MASTER (1993), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping
WINNERS AND SINNERS (1983), directed by Sammo Hung

ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN (1967), directed by Chang Cheh
THE YOUNG MASTER (1980), directed by Jackie Chan
POLICE STORY 3: SUPERCOP (1992), directed by Stanley Tong
FORBIDDEN CITY COP (1996), directed by Vincent Kok and Stephen Chow
CURSE OF THE GOLDEN FLOWER (2006), directed by Zhang Yimou

THE FIVE VENOMS (1978), directed by Chang Cheh
TIME AND TIDE (2000), directed by Tsui Hark
FEARLESS (2006), directed by Ronny Yu
ENTER THE DRAGON (1973), directed by Robert Clouse
POLICE STORY 2 (1988), directed by Jackie Chan

ONCE A THIEF (1991), directed by John Woo
WHEELS ON MEALS (1984), directed by Sammo Hung
SNAKE IN THE EAGLE’S SHADOW (1978), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping
DRAGONS FOREVER (1988), directed by Sammo Hung
THE BIG BOSS (1971), directed by Lo Wei

THE WAY OF THE DRAGON (1972), directed by Bruce Lee
PRISON ON FIRE (1987), directed by Ringo Lam
DRAGON INN (1992), directed by Raymond Lee
THE BLADE (1995), directed by Tsui Hark
FULL CONTACT (1992), directed by Ringo Lam

IRON MONKEY (1993), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping
PROJECT A PART II (1987), directed by Jackie Chan
THE BRIDE WITH WHITE HAIR (1993), directed by Ronny Yu
ZU: WARRIORS FROM THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN (1983), directed by Tsui Hark
DRUNKEN MASTER (1978), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping

IP MAN (2008), directed by Wilson Yip
CITY ON FIRE (1987), directed by Ringo Lam
SWORDSMAN II (1991), directed by Ching Siu-Tung
FIST OF LEGEND (1994), directed by Gordon Chan
COME DRINK WITH ME (1966), directed by King Hu

INFERNAL AFFAIRS 2 (2003), directed by Andrew Lau and Alan Mak
ELECTION (2005), directed by Johnnie To
RED CLIFF (2008) and RED CLIFF II (2009), directed by John Woo
FONG SAI YUK (1993), directed by Corey Yuen Kwai
HERO (2002), directed by Zhang Yimou

PROJECT A (1983), directed by Jackie Chan
CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON (2000), directed by Ang Lee
FIST OF FURY (1972), directed by Lo Wei
GOD OF COOKERY (1996), directed by Stephen Chow
ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 2 (1992), directed by Tsui Hark

45 up to #21
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on January 03, 2013, 08:41:56 AM
I'm up to 27, which means even at best when the list is complete, I'll have seen less than a quarter of them.  How humbling.  Certainly a relative blind spot for me.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 03, 2013, 11:14:30 AM
Up to 54.  22 of the 60-21 movies.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on January 03, 2013, 11:19:27 AM
I've seen around 50.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 12, 2013, 12:42:59 PM
HK list is complete. Looks like I've seen 69 of the Top 200.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on January 12, 2013, 12:49:20 PM
Only seen 18. I plan to see at least 12-15 of those films some time this year.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on January 12, 2013, 01:04:31 PM
A piddling 40.  Haven't seen 4 of the top 10, including #2 (although I did start it once).  Definitely need to give that another go.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on January 12, 2013, 03:08:01 PM
HK list is complete. Looks like I've seen 69 of the Top 200.

65 damn you!
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on January 12, 2013, 04:27:35 PM
True.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on January 12, 2013, 09:07:22 PM
Of the HK ones I can remember, there are at least 10 others I may have seen, just not sure:

MY LIFE AS MCDULL (2001), directed by Toe Yuen
SO CLOSE (2002). directed by Corey Yuen
A BETTER TOMORROW 2 (1987), directed by John Woo
THE TAI-CHI MASTER (1993), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping
WINNERS AND SINNERS (1983), directed by Sammo Hung

ONE-ARMED SWORDSMAN (1967), directed by Chang Cheh
THE YOUNG MASTER (1980), directed by Jackie Chan
POLICE STORY 3: SUPERCOP (1992), directed by Stanley Tong
FORBIDDEN CITY COP (1996), directed by Vincent Kok and Stephen Chow
CURSE OF THE GOLDEN FLOWER (2006), directed by Zhang Yimou

THE FIVE VENOMS (1978), directed by Chang Cheh
TIME AND TIDE (2000), directed by Tsui Hark
FEARLESS (2006), directed by Ronny Yu
ENTER THE DRAGON (1973), directed by Robert Clouse
POLICE STORY 2 (1988), directed by Jackie Chan

ONCE A THIEF (1991), directed by John Woo
WHEELS ON MEALS (1984), directed by Sammo Hung
SNAKE IN THE EAGLE’S SHADOW (1978), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping
DRAGONS FOREVER (1988), directed by Sammo Hung
THE BIG BOSS (1971), directed by Lo Wei

THE WAY OF THE DRAGON (1972), directed by Bruce Lee
PRISON ON FIRE (1987), directed by Ringo Lam
DRAGON INN (1992), directed by Raymond Lee
THE BLADE (1995), directed by Tsui Hark
FULL CONTACT (1992), directed by Ringo Lam

IRON MONKEY (1993), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping
PROJECT A PART II (1987), directed by Jackie Chan
THE BRIDE WITH WHITE HAIR (1993), directed by Ronny Yu
ZU: WARRIORS FROM THE MAGIC MOUNTAIN (1983), directed by Tsui Hark
DRUNKEN MASTER (1978), directed by Yuen Woo-Ping

IP MAN (2008), directed by Wilson Yip
CITY ON FIRE (1987), directed by Ringo Lam
SWORDSMAN II (1991), directed by Ching Siu-Tung
FIST OF LEGEND (1994), directed by Gordon Chan
COME DRINK WITH ME (1966), directed by King Hu

INFERNAL AFFAIRS 2 (2003), directed by Andrew Lau and Alan Mak
ELECTION (2005), directed by Johnnie To
RED CLIFF (2008) and RED CLIFF II (2009), directed by John Woo
FONG SAI YUK (1993), directed by Corey Yuen Kwai
HERO (2002), directed by Zhang Yimou

PROJECT A (1983), directed by Jackie Chan
CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON (2000), directed by Ang Lee
FIST OF FURY (1972), directed by Lo Wei
GOD OF COOKERY (1996), directed by Stephen Chow
ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA 2 (1992), directed by Tsui Hark

45 up to #21

To finalise the list:

KUNG FU HUSTLE (2004), directed by Stephen Chow
ASHES OF TIME (1994), directed by Wong Kar-Wai
ONCE UPON A TIME IN CHINA (1991), directed by Tsui Hark
DRUNKEN MASTER II (1994), directed by Lau Kar-Leung
BULLET IN THE HEAD (1990), directed by John Woo

SHAOLIN SOCCER (2001), directed by Stephen Chow
A CHINESE GHOST STORY (1987), directed by Ching Siu-Tung
POLICE STORY (1985), directed by Jackie Chan
HARD BOILED (1992), directed by John Woo
THE KILLER (1989), directed by John Woo

A BETTER TOMORROW (1986), directed by John Woo
INFERNAL AFFAIRS (2002), directed by Andrew Lau and Alan Mak

So 57 out of the 200, so many films so little time.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on February 10, 2013, 12:48:25 AM
The new They Shoot Pictures Don't They list is here:
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films.htm

Quite a lot of changes, especially towards the bottom of the list.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on February 10, 2013, 01:19:51 AM
I've almost seen half.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on February 10, 2013, 01:55:06 AM
The new They Shoot Pictures Don't They list is here:
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films.htm

Quite a lot of changes, especially towards the bottom of the list.

Finally, I've been checking their page every morning for the past month.  I'll have a post up on my blog about it in the next few days.

Empire?  Fuuuck.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on February 10, 2013, 02:01:29 AM
The new They Shoot Pictures Don't They list is here:
http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000_all1000films.htm

Quite a lot of changes, especially towards the bottom of the list.

Finally, I've been checking their page every morning for the past month.  I'll have a post up on my blog about it in the next few days.

Empire?  Fuuuck.
I made an imdb list so you can easily see how many you have left now: http://www.imdb.com/list/a9LhrX8hZk4/

There's quite a few new long ones. I think seeing the one hour version of Empire should be enough to count it as seen.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on February 10, 2013, 02:45:48 AM
I made an imdb list so you can easily see how many you have left now: http://www.imdb.com/list/a9LhrX8hZk4/

That is handy!  How'd you do that so fast?

33 left.  Although I have little hope of getting to see Art of Vision (I wish it would just fall off the list already), and having already seen Out 1: Spectre, I refuse to sit through Out 1: noli me tangere.

There's quite a few new long ones. I think seeing the one hour version of Empire should be enough to count it as seen.

Maybe... it seems like the length of it is kind of the point, though.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on February 10, 2013, 03:13:54 AM
The length of Empire is the point, but at the same time I'm not sure anyone was meant to watch the whole thing. It's more a conceptual art piece than a film. I'll cross that bridge when I get to it, not like I'm going to watch The Art of Vision either.

I got the imdb list made relatively fast thanks to matching it up with the old list, which I had already made on imdb, in excel. Ao I already had imdb link at the ready for 875 of the 1000 films. Still took like 50 minutes to do the whole thing, but that's a lot less than the hours the original one took me.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 12, 2013, 10:18:06 AM
Top 25 Films on Marriage (http://artsandfaith.com/t100/25_marriage.html)

I contributed a blurb for L'Atalante.

Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Timbzy on February 12, 2013, 11:40:29 AM
I did a top 50 teen/coming of age films. I did only go through films from the 90s/00s and added older films from memory.
1. Brick
2. Dazed and Confused
3. Spirited Away
4. The Tree of Life
5. Splendor in the Grass
6. The Breakfast Club
7. City of God
8. Igby Goes Down
9. Nowhere
10. Rebel Without A Cause
11. Heathers
12. Elephant
13. Ferris Bueller's Day Off
14. Bang Bang You're Dead
15. Almost Famous
16. Never Let Me Go
17. Mysterious Skin
18. The Perks of Being a Wallflower
19. Donnie Darko
20. Kaboom
21. Remember The Daze
22. The Go-Getter
23. The Dreamers
24. The Virgin Suicides
25. Pump Up the Volume
26. The Ice Storm
27. Stand By Me
28. Ghost World
29. The Doom Generation
30. SLC Punk
31. Rumble Fish
32. Winters Bone
33. Thumbsucker
34. Cruel Intentions
35. Manic
36. Whisper of the Heart
37. The Outsiders
38. The Kid With A Bike
39. Moonrise Kingdom
40. The Lost Boys
41. Sister
42. Ginger Snaps
43. Speak
44. Kiki's Delivery Service
45. Can't Hardly Wait
46. Jawbreaker
47. Bully
48. Keith
49. Empire Records
50. Detroit Rock City
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on February 12, 2013, 11:58:29 AM
Top 25 Films on Marriage (http://artsandfaith.com/t100/25_marriage.html)
Congratulations on your contribution. As for the list...

The fact that it included Husbands on this list of 25 Films on Marriage makes it a total joke. I've never seen Friendly Persuasion, but I'm really pretty sure it's not as good as Scenes from a Marriage. The list puts A Separation ahead of Scenes from a Marriage along with 12 other films, completely invalidating the entire list.



I knew this (http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2011/12/14/143699630/the-20-unhappiest-people-you-meet-in-the-comments-sections-of-year-end-lists) was worth bookmarking.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on February 12, 2013, 12:20:49 PM
Not seen Husbands yet, so I can't speak to that. What I will say is that I've noticed this community leans way more towards newer films, so yes, a few newer films emerge higher than some of the classics.

Although, I think calling a list invalid is pretty snobby. :P
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Corndog on February 12, 2013, 12:21:27 PM
I thought of I Fidanzati while perusing that list, though looking at the plot synopsis it appears they were merely engaged in that film, so perhaps it doesn't quite qualify.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Jared on February 12, 2013, 01:43:21 PM
Frankly, I want proof that anyone voting for something like Empire went to a screening and sat through the whole thing, because I dont buy it. 

I want eyewitnesses, a ticket stub (with a dime next to it for scale), a picture with that days newspaper, and a sped up camera filming them from multiple angles as they watch to verify that they arent asleep and that Empire is on the screen the entire 485 minutes. Dont think Im buying into your ridiculous vote for one second, Apichatpong.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on February 12, 2013, 02:26:55 PM
Although, I think calling a list invalid is pretty snobby. :P

It sure is.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on March 01, 2013, 06:37:10 PM
Iran (http://www.fandor.com/blog/the-iranian-film-50)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 01, 2013, 06:40:09 PM
Only seen 8.  :-\
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: FLYmeatwad on March 01, 2013, 06:43:10 PM
LOL, A Separation isn't even close to being that good. I want to see that Tennessee Williams adaptation though, but I don't know if I can take it as I didn't even realize I was living in a post-A Separation world  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on March 01, 2013, 07:26:28 PM
Only seen 8.  :-\

8 here too, probably mostly or all the same ones

I like the variety.  This should be a good resource, I'd love to explore more Iranian cinema.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: ArmenianScientist on March 01, 2013, 08:03:09 PM
Aw yeah, the director of the top film is Armenian.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on March 01, 2013, 08:05:18 PM
You know it's by year, right?  :P
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: FLYmeatwad on March 01, 2013, 08:19:59 PM
I remember when a lot of these films first released. I ran to the cinema to watch them.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: ArmenianScientist on March 01, 2013, 08:21:20 PM
You know it's by year, right?  :P

oh of course. I meant top as in location not ranking. 

jk
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on March 07, 2013, 05:34:30 AM
Top 11 computer Supervillains (http://gizmodo.com/5988384/the-11-greatest-computer-supervillains-in-film)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on August 14, 2014, 12:10:04 PM
Ever wondered what the worst way to present a list is? Sight & Sound did a huge poll for documentaries and decided to find out:
http://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-sound-magazine/greatest-docs-full-poll/?#/?poll=combined&film=4ce2b6a21d217
So much great information buried under an unreadable mess.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Junior on August 14, 2014, 12:27:38 PM
Ha, that's insane.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: verbALs on August 14, 2014, 12:29:32 PM
I've got to say, yeah you are right but its quite an effort to present in a concise form. A laudable failure. Actually, it's quite funny.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 14, 2014, 01:45:26 PM
And then you start scrolling and the involuntary profanity begins.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: don s. on August 16, 2014, 04:02:36 PM
I'm glad it wasn't just me.

'Cause I'm usually quite prim.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on August 16, 2014, 04:10:04 PM
No A Time For Burning or Dear Zachary (the two Docs on my top-100) votes?

(ノ ゜Д゜)ノ ︵ ┻━┻

I get what the vertical axis is but I'm not sure what the horizontal distribution is meant to represent...or why the critic bubbles chase me down the screen.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: smirnoff on August 16, 2014, 07:29:11 PM
They probably tried it with five films and figured it would scale up no problem. :)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on August 17, 2014, 11:19:39 AM
I get what the vertical axis is but I'm not sure what the horizontal distribution is meant to represent...or why the critic bubbles chase me down the screen.
Horizontal axis is years from 1892 to 2013. Some films don't have years so they're on the far left.
The critic bubbles chase you down the screen because they can.

I put everything with 3 or more votes on ICM if anyone just wants to see the list: https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/sight+and+sound+-the+greatest+documentaries+of+all+time/peacefulanarchy/
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Tequila on August 17, 2014, 02:09:33 PM
The guy that created it actually found my less than complimentary remark about it on Twitter and asked, very nicely, for constructive feedback. If anyone wants to chime in, you can find him here (https://twitter.com/P_Mc). It might make me feel less bad.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on August 17, 2014, 11:30:40 PM
The guy that created it actually found my less than complimentary remark about it on Twitter and asked, very nicely, for constructive feedback. If anyone wants to chime in, you can find him here (https://twitter.com/P_Mc). It might make me feel less bad.
What if my constructive feedback is "make a list and not an infographic?" Although really if there were both I'd have less of an issue with the infographic. I might send him a message with a few suggestions though. Also maybe he can fix a few duplicates I found.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on August 17, 2014, 11:35:44 PM
I'm guessing "have people vote for movies that are actually good" would not be considered constructive feedback?
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on August 17, 2014, 11:54:49 PM
I'm guessing "have people vote for movies that are actually good" would not be considered constructive feedback?
But they did vote for good films? Also the guy designed the website, he didn't conduct the poll, so I imagine the voting process has nothing to do with him.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on July 21, 2015, 02:35:42 PM
BBC's 100 Greatest American Films

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/bbcs-100-greatest-american-films-list-includes-the-dark-knight-heavens-gate-chinatown-tree-of-life-and-more-20150721

No Coen brothers. They'd get at least a couple spots from me, if not more.

Never heard of The Shanghai Gesture. Going to look into that.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on July 21, 2015, 02:49:12 PM
Seen 'em all.  17 on my own top 100.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on July 24, 2015, 02:40:04 PM
Someone on the ICM for posted a link to the list. Thought some of you might be interested in it.
http://blogs.indiewire.com/criticwire/little-white-lies-names-50-great-movies-by-female-directors-20150724
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on July 24, 2015, 02:58:36 PM
You can always debate a list but when Claire Denis is missing the list is incorrect.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on July 24, 2015, 03:08:50 PM
You can always debate a list but when Claire Denis is missing the list is incorrect.

She's likely represented in the second half (post-1998) of the list.

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on July 24, 2015, 03:10:50 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on July 24, 2015, 03:29:31 PM
You can always debate a list but when Claire Denis is missing the list is incorrect.
It's only half the list. I'm sure she's on the second half https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/little+white+lies+100+great+movies+by+female+directors/peacefulanarchy/
I've seen exactly half.

Edit: Beau Travail is on today's (51-60) update.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on July 28, 2015, 02:17:26 PM
This list might be the closest to my personal top films that I've come across:

https://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/3evqxx/using_the_average_scores_from_imdb_rotten/
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on July 28, 2015, 03:36:54 PM
That way there are only 3 Chris Nolan films.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on September 18, 2015, 04:28:10 AM
Really liked the selection of films in this list: http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/underappreciated/36864/the-top-20-underappreciated-films-of-1984

Thanks to 1SO whose posting in Movie Buzz got me looking at the lists from this site.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on September 18, 2015, 08:02:31 AM
It's one of my favorite sites for getting the English slant on pop culture. That's a good list too. I've always been curious about Impulse, which has a fascinating premise. Added it to my Shocktober Watchlist.

As for my own list of Underappreciated from 1984. (Excluding Streets of Fire because they covered it and I've beaten that discussion to death.)
1. Threads (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=10148.msg613064#msg613064)
2. Secret Honor
3. Choose Me
4. Body Double
5. The Bounty
6. Iceman
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on October 01, 2015, 09:21:09 PM
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-chinese-language-films-21st-century
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 10, 2015, 05:52:01 AM
http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/10-great-chinese-language-films-21st-century

Can anyone vouch for these ? It looks like a good selection to catch up with contemporary Chinese cinema.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on October 10, 2015, 11:43:59 AM
From what I have seen:

Infernal Affairs (2002) - very good, The Departed is basically a remake of this (expanded using parts 2 and 3 of Infernal Affairs)

Election / Election 2 (2005/2006): I though Election was quite good.. it was very big in Asia.  Didnt see part 2

Three Times (2005): I am ashamed to say that I have never seen this given it has my favorite Shu Qi, even worst, I have had the DVD since it came out.. I am going to fix this.

Summer Palace (2006): what they say is true Are you ready to be heartbroken? Summer Palace is a fiercely emotional portrait of youthful discontent that thrives on Lou Ye’s restless aesthetic and the fearless central performance of Hao Lei.  This was quite a surprise in that it came out of China.  But that is not a reason to watch it.. it is just good..

City of Life and Death (2009): it made me feel sick.. but that means I highly recommend it

The Grandmaster (2013): Adam will tell you it is great if you don't want my word

Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 10, 2015, 11:58:23 AM
Still Life
Stray Dogs
Infernal Affairs
City of Life and Death
Three Times


Stray Dogs is not a great place to start with Tsai, and although I haven't seen it, I wouldn't think The Grandmaster to be a good place to start with Wong either.

Not a big fan of Hou in general, but there are seven of his I like more than Three Times.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on October 10, 2015, 12:23:45 PM
Three Times is absolutely lovely. A gorgeous film.

Infernal Affairs is an excellent police thriller.

I've seen Still Life, but can't say it stuck with me.

Same with Election. I love Johnnie To, but this isn't one of my favorites.

Stray Dogs. I'm a huge Tsai Ming-Liang fan. The Hole is in my Top Ten favorite films. The Wayward Cloud also among my all-time favorites. What Time is it There? Goodbye Dragon Inn. I Don't Want to Sleep Alone. All amazing. I couldn't stand Stray Dogs.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 10, 2015, 12:31:20 PM
Martin where would you recommend I start with Tsai ? I know he is your favourite living director.

I have actually already seen The Grandmaster and it was indeed not the best place to start. In the Mood for Love (https://pretensiouslyyours.wordpress.com/2015/09/24/in-the-mood-for-love/) was great though.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 10, 2015, 12:33:23 PM
I gotta go with my favorite, The Hole. Rebels of the Neon God is his most accessible, but least distinctive.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: PeacefulAnarchy on March 16, 2016, 02:23:11 AM
BFI Flare's Best LGBT Films of All Time: poll of over 100 critics, looks like a solid list for those interested in the subject: http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/features/30-best-lgbt-films-all-time
Made an ICM list https://www.icheckmovies.com/lists/bfi+flares+best+lgbt+films+of+all+time/peacefulanarchy/
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on March 16, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
Definitely some good stuff on the list. Seen just under half of them. Beau travail is the only one I haven't seen that was on my radar.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on March 16, 2016, 10:24:34 AM
Bondo, would you be interested in a mini-marathon? I have 26 Unchecked and some have been on my Watchlist a while. Weeding out those we probably wouldn't like, we both haven't seen My Beautiful Laundrette, Law of Desire and Beautiful Thing. You could watch Death in Venice, Beau travail and Scorpio Rising and I could watch Weekend, Tomboy and Paris is Burning.

Maybe this list could be the foundation for a Group Marathon in April?
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on March 16, 2016, 11:56:51 AM
June is gay pride month and also a month I don't have classes on top of work.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on March 16, 2016, 01:15:59 PM
Seen 18 of the top 30, 34 of the full list.

A lot of amazing movies on that list.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on March 16, 2016, 01:16:12 PM
I say let's do it. June will be LGBT Movie Month.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: verbALs on March 16, 2016, 01:58:17 PM
I would have liked to see Shortbus on that list. JC Mitchell makes a candid movie directly about sex and affection. He doesn't draw any lines between straight or gay. A 100% honest movie on that great unmentionable subject (almost brutally honest) deserves recognition.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sandy on March 16, 2016, 02:42:57 PM
I may be selfish, but if I were to spend a month exploring sexuality in films, I'd prefer to explore my own predilection. :)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: FifthCityMuse on March 16, 2016, 05:18:55 PM
Fun list! Paris is Burning at no. 5 makes me so happy. That movie is amazing. I have no issues with Carol at no. 1, but wonder where it would be if it came out a year ago.

Funeral Parade of the Roses looks insane. I wish I hadn't let my KG membership lapse...
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on March 16, 2016, 07:51:55 PM
I may be selfish, but if I were to spend a month exploring sexuality in films, I'd prefer to explore my own predilection. :)
Perhaps you can watch Carol, which will probably be out on DVD by June. Or have you seen Cabaret, it's a musical with something sexual for you too. With choices like A Single Man and The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert I think most can find a title or two to their liking.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sandy on March 16, 2016, 07:57:30 PM
Oh! I agree. I was just kidding. :)

I've seen Cabaret, but would be interested in revisiting it. It's been a long time. And, I believe I'd love Carol. Thanks for the titles to look into.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on March 16, 2016, 11:23:04 PM
Bondo, would you be interested in a mini-marathon? I have 26 Unchecked and some have been on my Watchlist a while. Weeding out those we probably wouldn't like, we both haven't seen My Beautiful Laundrette, Law of Desire and Beautiful Thing. You could watch Death in Venice, Beau travail and Scorpio Rising and I could watch Weekend, Tomboy and Paris is Burning.

For me I'd probably throw in Madchen In Uniform, The Bitter Tears of Petra von Kant and I, You, He, She. Need to look into those outside the top 30 more to see if any jump right out at me.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on March 16, 2016, 11:27:11 PM
Funeral Parade of the Roses looks insane.

One of my top 250.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: chardy999 on March 16, 2016, 11:54:41 PM
Funeral Parade of the Roses looks insane.

One of my top 250.

Goodness what a description. Onto watchlist.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on March 27, 2016, 01:50:57 AM
I made a Letterboxd list (http://letterboxd.com/darkeninghumour/list/the-filmspotter-forum-top-100-2014/) with the forum's Top 100 movies (2014 version) to make a checklist out of it. It might help someone.

25 to go.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on May 20, 2016, 04:36:37 PM
A list I'm hoping to get through by one of the forum's own:

https://theendofcinema.net/2016/02/11/30-essential-wuxia-films/
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Junior on May 26, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
io9's 20 scariest movies of the last decade (http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-20-scariest-horror-movies-of-the-last-decade-1778779327). I like or love basically all of these (not super keen on Berberian Sound Studio), damn has it been a good ten years in horror.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on May 26, 2016, 11:07:55 PM
A few there to check out.  The Host was interesting but was there really anything scary about it?
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on May 26, 2016, 11:22:49 PM
I do love that genre.

Still, Insidious but no Conjuring? Does not compute.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on May 26, 2016, 11:50:53 PM
Insidious is number 6 and The Conjuring is number 7.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: wendywgw0522 on June 13, 2016, 04:41:07 PM
Love all the Wong Kar Wai and Jiang-wen movies you mentioned! Hou Xiaoxian's recent one The Assassin is a must to watch as well
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Junior on June 16, 2016, 02:11:55 PM
Here's a very cool video of the history of horror. I basically love all of the ones on here that I've seen and the rest look great.

https://vimeo.com/167772153
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on June 16, 2016, 06:46:16 PM
Great video, love the way the creator plays with the titles, though I can't help but see it as a challenge. I will build and post my own list, but I won't go so far back since I'm real snobby with pre-1930s horror.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on June 17, 2016, 02:11:45 AM
I'm starting with 1953 because all prior years I either agree with or haven't seen enough films. The most startling fact I learned was that 1952 only produced a handful of Horror films. Most are reportedly terrible. I've seen none.


Video                                             My Pick                                  Also Consider
1953 House of WaxInvaders From Mars
1954 GodzillaThem!Creature From the Black Lagoon
1955 DiaboliqueThe Quatermass Experiment
1956 Invasion of the Body SnatchersInvasion of the Body Snatchers
1957 Night of the DemonNight of the Demon
1958 Horror of DraculaHorror of DraculaThe Blob
1959 House on Haunted HillThe Tingler!
1960 PsychoPsychoPeeping Tom
1961 The InnocentsTaste of Fear
1962 Carnival of SoulsBurn, Witch, Burn!
1963 The BirdsThe BirdsThe Haunting
1964 The Masque of Red DeathKwaidan
1965 RepulsionThe Nanny
1966 Kill Baby Kill!Seconds
1967 This Night I’ll Possess Your CorpseViy(this is a Bad Year)
1968 Night of the Living DeadNight of the Living DeadRosemary’s Baby
1969 The CrematorBlind Beast
1970 Valerie and her Week…Bird With the Crystal Plumage(this is a Bad Year)
1971 Bay of BloodTwins of Evil
1972 Don’t Torture a DucklingLa CabinaLast House on the Left
1973 The ExorcistThe Wicker ManSisters
1974 The Texas Chainsaw MassacreThe Texas Chainsaw Massacre
1975 JawsJaws
1976 CarrieCarrieThe Omen
1977 SuspiriaEraserheadHausu
1978 HalloweenDawn of the DeadInvasion of the Body Snatchers
1979 AlienAlien!
1980 The ShiningThe ShiningThe Fog
1981 The Evil DeadThe Evil DeadAn Am. Werewolf in London
1982 The ThingCreepshowPoltergeist
1983 VideodromeAngstThe Dead Zone
1984 A Nightmare on Elm StreetGremlins
1985 Re-AnimatorRe-AnimatorFright Night
1986 The FlyAliens
1987 HellraiserNear DarkEvil Dead 2/Fatal Attraction
1988 They Live (not horror)The Serpent and the RainbowDead Ringers
1989 TetsuoTetsuoPet Sematary
1990 MiseryMiseryTremors
1991 The Silence of the LambsSilence of the Lambs
1992 Bram Stoker’s DraculaDead AliveCandyman
1993 CronosBody Snatchers(this is a Bad Year)
1994 Cemetery ManNew NightmareInterview With the Vampire
1995 Se7enSe7en
1996 ScreamScreamFrom Dusk Till Dawn
1997 CubeScream 2Funny Games
1998 RinguRinguThe Faculty
1999 The Blair Witch ProjectBlair Witch!Audition
2000 Shadow of the VampirePitch BlackWhat Lies Beneath
2001 The OthersPulse (Kairo)The Devil’s Backbone
2002 28 Days Later…The Mothman PropheciesThe Ring
2003 A Tale of Two SistersWillard
2004 SawShaun of the Dead
2005 The DescentThe DescentThe Exorcism of Emily Rose
2006 The HostBehind the Mask
2007 Paranormal Activity[REC]Trick ‘r Treat
2008 Let the Right One InEden LakePontypool/Martyrs
2009 House of the DevilDrag Me to HellZombieland
2010 I Saw the Devil (not horror)Stake LandTucker and Dale vs. Evil
2011 The Skin I Live InSleep TightYou’re Next
2012 Cabin in the WoodsV/H/S
2013 The ConjuringThe ConjuringWillow Creek
2014 The BabadookCreep
2015 It FollowsKrampus
2016 The WitchThe Witch10 Cloverfield Lane
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Junior on June 17, 2016, 11:35:11 AM
Ha, I love it. This combo list would get anybody a proper education in horror. You should link to it at the start of the next Shocktober.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on June 17, 2016, 11:51:07 AM
Thanks. I still say the definitive Horror list is on this site (http://theyshootzombies.com).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Junior on June 17, 2016, 12:08:39 PM
Yeah, that's good stuff. I still like the yearly aspect of this.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on June 17, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
Have you not seen This Night I’ll Possess Your Corpse? We'll have to redo the 1957 Retrospots. edit: Oh, that's 1967 we're talking about. There's a typo in the table.

I fall strongly out of sync with you in the 80s. Give me The Thing over Creepshow, A Nightmare on Elm Street over Gremlins, The Fly over Aliens, and most anything over The Serpent and the Rainbow.

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on June 17, 2016, 12:36:17 PM
Have you not seen This Night I’ll Possess Your Corpse? We'll have to redo the 1957 Retrospots. edit: Oh, that's 1967 we're talking about. There's a typo in the table.
Thanks. Fixed it. That title has been on my Horror Watchlist for years, but it doesn't interest me beyond its reputation. Spider Baby is a weak choice, but I've only seen 3 Horror films from 1967. The other two are a Gamera film and The Fearless Vampire Killers.

Actually, the Russian ghost story Viy is also 1967 - don't know why that didn't come up - so Viy would be my pick.

I've seen 5 Horror films from 1957. Night of the Demon is the clear winner, though I also like Enemy From Space.


I fall strongly out of sync with you in the 80s. Give me The Thing over Creepshow, A Nightmare on Elm Street over Gremlins, The Fly over Aliens, and most anything over The Serpent and the Rainbow.

1988 should have been Dead Ringers in that video. They Live is Fantasy Satire directed by horror filmmaker. It belongs here less than Pan's Labyrinth, which they were wise to exclude.
1988 also has Childs Play, Elm Street 4 and Killer Klowns From Outer Space.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on August 22, 2016, 09:28:56 PM
BBC Culture's 100 Greatest Films of the 21st Century:

100. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade, 2016)
100. Requiem for a Dream (Darren Aronofsky, 2000)
100. Carlos (Olivier Assayas, 2010)
99. The Gleaners and I (Agnès Varda, 2000)
98. Ten (Abbas Kiarostami, 2002)
97. White Material (Claire Denis, 2009)
96. Finding Nemo (Andrew Stanton, 2003)
95. Moonrise Kingdom (Wes Anderson, 2012)
94. Let the Right One In (Tomas Alfredson, 2008)
93. Ratatouille (Brad Bird, 2007)
92. The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford (Andrew Dominik, 2007)
91. The Secret in Their Eyes (Juan José Campanella, 2009)
90. The Pianist (Roman Polanski, 2002)
89. The Headless Woman (Lucrecia Martel, 2008)
88. Spotlight (Tom McCarthy, 2015)
87. Amélie (Jean-Pierre Jeunet, 2001)
86. Far From Heaven (Todd Haynes, 2002)
85. A Prophet (Jacques Audiard, 2009)
84. Her (Spike Jonze, 2013)
83. A.I. Artificial Intelligence (Steven Spielberg, 2001)
82. A Serious Man (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2009)
81. Shame (Steve McQueen, 2011)
80. The Return (Andrey Zvyagintsev, 2003)
79. Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe, 2000)
78. The Wolf of Wall Street (Martin Scorsese, 2013)
77. The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (Julian Schnabel, 2007)
76. Dogville (Lars von Trier, 2003)
75. Inherent Vice (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2014)
74. Spring Breakers (Harmony Korine, 2012)
73. Before Sunset (Richard Linklater, 2004)
72. Only Lovers Left Alive (Jim Jarmusch, 2013)
71. Tabu (Miguel Gomes, 2012)
70. Stories We Tell (Sarah Polley, 2012)
69. Carol (Todd Haynes, 2015)
68. The Royal Tenenbaums (Wes Anderson, 2001)
67. The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow, 2008)
66. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter…and Spring (Kim Ki-duk, 2003)
65. Fish Tank (Andrea Arnold, 2009)
64. The Great Beauty (Paolo Sorrentino, 2013)
63. The Turin Horse (Béla Tarr and Ágnes Hranitzky, 2011)
62. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino, 2009)
61. Under the Skin (Jonathan Glazer, 2013)
60. Syndromes and a Century (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2006)
59. A History of Violence (David Cronenberg, 2005)
58. Moolaadé (Ousmane Sembène, 2004)
57. Zero Dark Thirty (Kathryn Bigelow, 2012)
56. Werckmeister Harmonies (Béla Tarr, director; Ágnes Hranitzky, co-director, 2000)
55. Ida (Paweł Pawlikowski, 2013)
54. Once Upon a Time in Anatolia (Nuri Bilge Ceylan, 2011)
53. Moulin Rouge! (Baz Luhrmann, 2001)
52. Tropical Malady (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2004)
51. Inception (Christopher Nolan, 2010)
50. The Assassin (Hou Hsiao-hsien, 2015)
49. Goodbye to Language (Jean-Luc Godard, 2014)
48. Brooklyn (John Crowley, 2015)
47. Leviathan (Andrey Zvyagintsev, 2014)
46. Certified Copy (Abbas Kiarostami, 2010)
45. Blue Is the Warmest Color (Abdellatif Kechiche, 2013)
44. 12 Years a Slave (Steve McQueen, 2013)
43. Melancholia (Lars von Trier, 2011)
42. Amour (Michael Haneke, 2012)
41. Inside Out (Pete Docter, 2015)
40. Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005)
39. The New World (Terrence Malick, 2005)
38. City of God (Fernando Meirelles and Kátia Lund, 2002)
37. Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2010)
36. Timbuktu (Abderrahmane Sissako, 2014)
35. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Ang Lee, 2000)
34. Son of Saul (László Nemes, 2015)
33. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan, 2008)
32. The Lives of Others (Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, 2006)
31. Margaret (Kenneth Lonergan, 2011)
30. Oldboy (Park Chan-wook, 2003)
29. WALL-E (Andrew Stanton, 2008)
28. Talk to Her (Pedro Almodóvar, 2002)
27. The Social Network (David Fincher, 2010)
26. 25th Hour (Spike Lee, 2002)
25. ​Memento (Christopher Nolan, 2000)
24. The Master (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2012)
23. Caché (Michael Haneke, 2005)
22. Lost in Translation (Sofia Coppola, 2003)
21. The Grand Budapest Hotel (Wes Anderson, 2014)
20. Synecdoche, New York (Charlie Kaufman, 2008)
19. Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller, 2015)
18. The White Ribbon (Michael Haneke, 2009)
17. Pan's Labyrinth (Guillermo Del Toro, 2006)
16. Holy Motors (Leos Carax, 2012)
15. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (Cristian Mungiu, 2007)
14. The Act of Killing (Joshua Oppenheimer, 2012)
13. Children of Men (Alfonso Cuarón, 2006)
12. Zodiac (David Fincher, 2007)
11. Inside Llewyn Davis (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2013)
10. No Country for Old Men (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2007)
9. A Separation (Asghar Farhadi, 2011)
8. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (Edward Yang, 2000)
7. The Tree of Life (Terrence Malick, 2011)
6. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)
5. Boyhood (Richard Linklater, 2014)
4. Spirited Away (Hayao Miyazaki, 2001)
3. There Will Be Blood (Paul Thomas Anderson, 2007)
2. In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai, 2000)
1. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch, 2001)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on August 23, 2016, 12:12:33 PM
The three-year range of 2004-2006 only accounts for 12 of the 102 films (12%). The fallow years before the harvest of 2007.

100. Carlos (Olivier Assayas, 2010)
51. Inception (Christopher Nolan, 2010)
46. Certified Copy (Abbas Kiarostami, 2010)
37. Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2010)
27. The Social Network (David Fincher, 2010)

2010 still strikes me as a down year, too — though I still need to see Carlos and Certified Copy.

Directors with three films on the list:

Wes Anderson
Paul Thomas Anderson
Michael Haneke
Apichatpong Weerasethakul
Christopher Nolan
Joel and Ethan Coen

Surprised to see only one Hou film.

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on August 23, 2016, 12:30:32 PM
100. Carlos (Olivier Assayas, 2010)
51. Inception (Christopher Nolan, 2010)
46. Certified Copy (Abbas Kiarostami, 2010)
37. Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2010)
27. The Social Network (David Fincher, 2010)

2010 still strikes me as a down year, too — though I still need to see Carlos and Certified Copy.
Certified Copy is an :up: film.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on August 23, 2016, 12:39:25 PM
Certified Copy is an :up: film.

Certified Copy is one of the main reasons this thread (http://www.filmspotting.net/forum/index.php?topic=14006.0) exists, along with Black Swan, I'm Not There, Never Let Me Go, and Bright Star.

... (I can't believe Another Year never won a Filmspot. It certainly FEELS like a Filmspot winner.)

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on August 23, 2016, 12:49:44 PM
2000 8
2001 5
2002 5
2003 6
2004 4
2005 3
2006 3
2007 7
2008 6
2009 7
2010 5
2011 7
2012 8
2013 9
2014 6
2015 7
2016 1

Which only adds up to 99, so I missed one somewhere. Drat. Don't have time to go back right now.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on August 23, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Which only adds up to 99, so I missed one somewhere. Drat. Don't have time to go back right now.

There's a three-way tie for 100th place, so you're actually missing three:

2000:  8
2001:  6
2002:  6
2003:  6
2004:  4
2005:  4
2006:  4
2007:  7
2008:  6
2009:  7
2010:  5
2011:  7
2012:  9
2013:  9
2014:  6
2015:  7
2016:  1

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on August 23, 2016, 01:05:23 PM
So bad at math.

Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: goodguy on August 24, 2016, 08:00:57 AM
100. Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade, 2016)
32. The Lives of Others (Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck, 2006)

That's an embarrassing selection of German films. Although if even among the five polled German critics only one puts a single German film on their list, one shouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on August 25, 2016, 02:29:17 PM
Frank Ocean's top 100 (http://www.indiewire.com/2016/08/frank-ocean-100-favorite-films-blue-velvet-solaris-annie-hall-1201719610/)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on November 03, 2016, 02:30:54 PM
In case anyone is curious what two prestigious Japanese film magazines think about their recent cinema, here is a list (http://letterboxd.com/roujin/list/2010s-kinema-junpo-eiga-geijutsu/).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on November 03, 2016, 03:41:34 PM
I am, thanks.

At first I was self conscious that I appeared to only have watched 4% of them but then I realised they had to all be Japanese (except Like Someone in Love for some reason). Still though, that's pretty pathetic.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: roujin on November 03, 2016, 04:05:28 PM
Nah. Modern Japanese cinema, outside of a few brand names (Sono, Koreeda, Kitano, Ghibli), simply doesn't get any kind of theatrical distribution out West.

These lists do present a different picture of what's going in Japanese cinema and presents some new filmmakers to keep an eye on (Yuya Ishii, Junji Tsukamoto, Koji Fukada, etc.)

I'm at 14% so I'm not doing much better.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: pixote on November 03, 2016, 04:12:38 PM
That's what brackets are for!

pixote
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on November 03, 2016, 04:33:07 PM
Kiarostami, baby!
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: jdc on November 03, 2016, 09:13:32 PM
I think I have only seen 4 on that list but a lot there look interesting. 
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on January 04, 2017, 10:46:24 PM
Soderbergh's Seen,Read 2016:

http://www.extension765.com/soderblogh/30-seen-read-2016

I also watched The Godfather films in December. Great minds...
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Jared on February 16, 2017, 10:50:41 AM
New They Shoot Pictures, Don't They? Top 1,000 List.

http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm (http://www.theyshootpictures.com/gf1000.htm)

Went from 46 movies left to 53. Still going to try to finish this thing up in 2017. Think I've managed to get to most of the really difficult finds.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on February 16, 2017, 11:03:32 AM
11 unseen.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on May 12, 2017, 02:58:47 PM
Man, the 90's were an amazing decade for sci-fi:

http://collider.com/best-sci-fi-movies-of-the-90s/
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oldkid on May 12, 2017, 06:02:43 PM
So many films on this list are tongue-in-cheek, which is generally my least favorite kind of sci-fi, although Galaxy Quest is an exception.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on May 12, 2017, 06:24:06 PM
All of my Essentials are there but one, and I'm surprised to see The Iron Giant not included.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on June 13, 2017, 03:06:06 PM
New York Times critics' 25 Best Films of the 21st Century So Far:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/09/movies/the-25-best-films-of-the-21st-century.html?_r=0

Since, I'll use any excuse to make a list:

25. Speed Racer (2008) - Lana & Lily Wachowski
24. Let the Right One In (2008) - Tomas Alfredson
23. Mountains May Depart (2015) - Jia Zhangke
22. Shaun of the Dead (2004) - Edgar Wright
21. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (2008) - Cristian Mungiu
20. Holy Motors (2012) - Leo’s Carax
19. Old Boy (2013) - Park Chan-wook
18. Leviathan (2012) - Lucien Castaing-Taylor & Verena Paravel
17. The Incredibles (2004) - Brad Bird
16. Dogtooth (2009) - Yorgos Lanthimos
15. Synecdoche, New York (2008) - Charlie Kaufman
14. Under the Skin (2014) - Jonathan Glazer
13. Kung Fu Hustle (2004) - Stephen Chow
12. Fish Tank (2009) - Andrea Arnold
11. The Wayward Cloud (2005) - Tsai Ming-liang
10. Mad Max: Fury Road (2015) - George Miller
09. Before Sunset (2004) - Richard Linklater
08. The Assassin (2015) - Hou Hsiao-hsien
07. Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter… and Spring (2003) Kim Ki-duk
06. A Serious Man (2009) - Joel & Ethan Coen
05. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000) - Ang Lee
04. Lost in Translation (2003) - Sofia Coppola
03. The Royal Tenenbaums (2001) - Wes Anderson
02. Mulholland Dr. (2001) - David Lynch
01. Spirited Away (2001) - Hayao Miyazaki
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on June 13, 2017, 03:47:36 PM
Sean made a good Top 25 films of the 21st century list (https://theendofcinema.net/2017/06/11/the-25-best-films-of-the-21st-century/).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Dave the Necrobumper on June 13, 2017, 03:50:00 PM
Well they got number 1 right, but number 25 wrong (it should be no where near this list).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on June 13, 2017, 04:06:42 PM
The 40-Year-Old Virgin>There Will Be Blood.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on June 13, 2017, 05:06:18 PM
The 40-Year-Old Virgin>There Will Be Blood.

I think I agree, and I'm not even a huge fan. If it had a more traditional score I think most people would consider There Will Be Blood to be pretty good, not great. Which is fine, the score is a vital element of any film, but I think it does a lot of heavy lifting in TWBB.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on June 13, 2017, 11:21:09 PM
Sean made a good Top 25 films of the 21st century list (https://theendofcinema.net/2017/06/11/the-25-best-films-of-the-21st-century/).

Here's my problem...
Quote
For the past few years, when one of these comes out I get annoyed that mainstream critics’ list don’t contain enough Chinese films, and that the ones they do list are the most boring, obvious choices.

This is a terrible place to start from because you're already discounting the list on a personal bias. For those that don't know Sean he was one of the most persuasive writers on the Boards and if you are a regular reader on his website, which I am, he remains a persuasive voice even though I can find some of his reasoning frustrating. For a list like this to have weight, a person must step outside of themselves and avoid filling a quota. A great movie is a great movie and great movies don't require a certain amount of geography or gender.

2007 was may favorite year this decade, yet only two films make my Top 25 of the Century. My list contains no Horror films even though I am clearly a big fan of the genre, and while 8 Animated films seems a bit much, two are by Hayao Miyazaki and I've thoroughly defended my position on Pixar's run from 2003 - 2010 as an anomaly created by a unique combination of talent.

I would rather read a list by Sean of the 25 Best Chinese Films of the 21st Century. So much more of a positive approach and a list I would take as coming from an authority. Heck, I'd probably Marathon the list.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on June 13, 2017, 11:47:09 PM
I would rather read a list by Sean of the 25 Best Chinese Films of the 21st Century. So much more of a positive approach and a list I would take as coming from an authority. Heck, I'd probably Marathon the list.

You can marathon from this:
https://theendofcinema.net/2017/02/15/150-of-the-best-chinese-language-films-of-all-time/

:)
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: sdedalus on June 14, 2017, 08:18:45 PM
Sean made a good Top 25 films of the 21st century list (https://theendofcinema.net/2017/06/11/the-25-best-films-of-the-21st-century/).

Here's my problem...
Quote
For the past few years, when one of these comes out I get annoyed that mainstream critics’ list don’t contain enough Chinese films, and that the ones they do list are the most boring, obvious choices.

This is a terrible place to start from because you're already discounting the list on a personal bias. For those that don't know Sean he was one of the most persuasive writers on the Boards and if you are a regular reader on his website, which I am, he remains a persuasive voice even though I can find some of his reasoning frustrating. For a list like this to have weight, a person must step outside of themselves and avoid filling a quota. A great movie is a great movie and great movies don't require a certain amount of geography or gender.

2007 was may favorite year this decade, yet only two films make my Top 25 of the Century. My list contains no Horror films even though I am clearly a big fan of the genre, and while 8 Animated films seems a bit much, two are by Hayao Miyazaki and I've thoroughly defended my position on Pixar's run from 2003 - 2010 as an anomaly created by a unique combination of talent.

I would rather read a list by Sean of the 25 Best Chinese Films of the 21st Century. So much more of a positive approach and a list I would take as coming from an, authority. Heck, I'd probably Marathon the list.

I did that last year, as linked in the passage you quoted: https://theendofcinema.net/2016/06/10/the-50-best-chinese-language-films-of-the-21st-century/
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: 1SO on June 14, 2017, 09:57:00 PM
Oh yeah. Thanks for jogging my memory. I remember reading this. I especially like that you include ALSOs from the directors, which is where I'm getting a lot of my recommendations for Chinese directors in my Director Marathon.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 05, 2017, 11:17:50 AM
The 35 best science-fiction movies since Blade Runner (https://www.avclub.com/the-35-best-science-fiction-movies-since-blade-runner-1819142386)

Nothing too surprising. I don't disagree with their #1 choice. I really expected the bloom to be off the Matrix rose by now, but I guess people still love it. Most egregious omissions IMHO:

Serenity
Solaris (Soderbergh)
Midnight Special
About Time
Never Let Me Go
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 05, 2017, 11:28:05 AM
How is About Time science fiction? Surely it should count as fantasy.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 05, 2017, 11:34:59 AM
I don't know what kind of pedantic distinction you plan to make here, but to most people a movie about time travel is well within the realm of "science fiction".
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Teproc on October 05, 2017, 11:38:51 AM
Mostly relieved they didn't include Gravity (which I like a lot but isn't science-fiction).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oldkid on October 05, 2017, 01:32:27 PM
Both About Time and Gravity are science fiction.  I'd certainly include Gravity over Dune or Edge of Tomorrow.

I can see DH's point concerning About Time because it's a romance and it uses the time travel as a premise without explanation, like a fantasy, but it is just where fantasy and science fiction converge, as they often do.   It's like having a ghost story that isn't scary be included as a horror movie.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Sam the Cinema Snob on October 05, 2017, 01:43:27 PM
No Southland Tales.  :'(
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 05, 2017, 01:55:11 PM
I don't know what kind of pedantic distinction you plan to make here, but to most people a movie about time travel is well within the realm of "science fiction".

So when Harry travels back to the past with his thingamajig that makes Prisoner of Azkaban science fiction? Surely science fiction requires the usage of some actual science and technology in the story.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oldkid on October 05, 2017, 02:00:38 PM
Isaac Asimov in his time-travel book The Edge of Eternity agreed that time travel is a fantasy within the science fiction genre, but he still called it "science fiction", because it is a trope within the genre.  The only one of his books he called strictly fantasy is Fantastic Voyage about shrinking people and putting them into a human body.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 05, 2017, 02:11:25 PM
I don't know what kind of pedantic distinction you plan to make here, but to most people a movie about time travel is well within the realm of "science fiction".

So when Harry travels back to the past with his thingamajig that makes Prisoner of Azkaban science fiction? Surely science fiction requires the usage of some actual science and technology in the story.

I would say it's a matter of degree and perception. HP has so much other stuff happening under the umbrella of "magic" that it feels more fantasy than sci-fi. Either way, it feels like a very nitpicky case of splitting hairs. Which I recognize is kind of your thing, but that doesn't mean it has to be mine. We all have our own ideas of genre definitions, and I tend to have much less rigid "rules" than you do. You can reference any number of "gotcha!" exceptions, but About Time is still sci-fi (and what the heck, fantasy too) to me, as well as romance and comedy.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Teproc on October 05, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
oldkid, how is Gravity science-fiction ? It's just fiction, the ISS exists and we have people doing maintenance there. The film is far-fetched in some aspects, but no more (rather less I'd say) than your average action movie. Granted, most action movies are sci-fi nowadays, but you know what I mean.

I haven't seen About Time, but I think it's very possible for something to be both fantasy and sci-fi. See also: Star Wars.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oldkid on October 05, 2017, 05:19:24 PM
It is science fiction in which is creates a series of events that has not happened, but is possible, according to science.  Like The Martian, it is hard science fiction that shows us what the next step might be.   Also, I think it qualifies under the genre category: unless it is history (e.g. Apollo 13), stories about humans in space are science fiction, which is an old category.  I think that Gravity builds on that older genre of science fiction (2001, etc).
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Teproc on October 05, 2017, 05:23:11 PM
Science-fiction is speculative, where's the speculation in Gravity ?

The Martian is science-fiction because it's based on some extrapolations on what Mars is like. Like our ability to grow potatoes there. We might be able to, there's evidence to suggest we could, but we don't really know.

There's nothing speculative in Gravity. It's just fiction. It's "based on science", but so is everything: The Hunt is "based on science" because we see people living and breathing and hey, that has to do with science: biology ! Also it has a witch-hunt (figurative): sociology ! By that logic anything and everything is science-fiction.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oldkid on October 05, 2017, 05:59:54 PM
Again, with some exception, the "humans in space" genre is science fiction.   It is speculative, since the chain reaction from the missile has never happened.  That's guesswork.  As is the possibility of floating from one satellite to another.  One could argue whether it is more or less likely and physicists have, but it is certainly speculation at this point.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 06, 2017, 04:46:05 AM
I am going to pick up from Teproc here. Granted, none of those events have happened ; but neither have those of your random convoluted action movie. We understand the things that happen in Gravity in the same way we understand physics on Earth, regardless of whether they have actually happened. If you made a movie about a hurricane in Germany would you call that science fiction? It had never happened, but there is nothing much mysterious about hurricanes or Germany - except for, you know, the Germans. The chain reaction would also be guess work, but so is your average action sequence involving large vehicles and collisions.

It seems to me that your definition of the genre is based on its tropes from way back when. Everything involving space in the fifties was definitely fiction, and certainly most time travel stories involve science and machinery. As science evolves however, surely the boundaries of the genre must too change. Jules Vernes' 20,000 Leagues was science fiction but I don't think you would argue Hunt for the Red October is too.

To go back to About Time, yes, as I said, time travel is indeed typically associated with sci-fi. Those movies always present one with some explanation for why time travel is possible or how it works, from silly Deloreans to big energy machines (Terminator) or black holes. The whole point of science fiction is to imagine the possibilities of discovering new technologies, or in some cases, living in universes with slightly different physical realities so that things like time travel or travelling at the speed or light are possible. About Time doesn't bother with that and just gives its characters a magical ability.

Contending that time travel belongs to the realm of science fiction in any and all cases seems like a historical argument that does not allow for new precedent. It's always been in this genre so from now on it shall always be. Would a movie about a boy visiting alternate dimensions with a magical trinket belong to sci-fi too? Alternate dimensions are an old trope of the genre too. What about a story about thinking machines forged by the dwarves, or exploring the cosmos with a couple of interstellar demi gods and their space caravel?

I haven't seen About Time, but I think it's very possible for something to be both fantasy and sci-fi. See also: Star Wars.

As far as I am concerned, SW is more fantasy than sci-fi. Not only is there straight up magic in it, Lucas completely disregards all laws of physics, biology and reason in his worldbuilding. Clearly evolution does not exist in the SW universe, the speed of light is something to be multiplied, there is sound in space, you can create a laser beam that stops at a given length, an inconceivable number of planets supports life, not to mention every single thing surrounding robotics and artificial intelligence. His is a realm that utterly belongs to fantasy but has been dressed with the trappings of space stories.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Teproc on October 06, 2017, 04:48:58 AM
I'd say a hurricane in Germany is more sci-fi than anything in Gravity. Most James Bond movies have more sci-fi elements than Gravity too.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 06, 2017, 08:32:50 AM
Contending that time travel belongs to the realm of science fiction in any and all cases seems like a historical argument that does not allow for new precedent. It's always been in this genre so from now on it shall always be.

Um yeah, that sounds pretty reasonable to me. Why should a movie's genre change? Is there some non-sci-fi example of a film's genre changing over time? I mean, for some weird reason people used to think W.C. Fields was funny, but I don't deny his movies are still comedies.

I do get your point about the time travel in About Time having no scientific context (at least I don't remember any). I'm not super married to the idea of the movie being classified as sci-fi. It just came up as a movie I really liked when I filtered my Criticker ratings for genre = sci-fi. In my mind, it's at least sci-fi adjacent. But I will concede it's not sci-fi in the strictest terms.

Would a movie about a boy visiting alternate dimensions with a magical trinket belong to sci-fi too? Alternate dimensions are an old trope of the genre too. What about a story about thinking machines forged by the dwarves, or exploring the cosmos with a couple of interstellar demi gods and their space caravel?

Yes, most of those sound like sci-fi to me. Not sure about the first one, I'd have to see it.

As far as I am concerned, SW is more fantasy than sci-fi. Not only is there straight up magic in it, Lucas completely disregards all laws of physics, biology and reason in his worldbuilding. Clearly evolution does not exist in the SW universe, the speed of light is something to be multiplied, there is sound in space, you can create a laser beam that stops at a given length, an inconceivable number of planets supports life, not to mention every single thing surrounding robotics and artificial intelligence. His is a realm that utterly belongs to fantasy but has been dressed with the trappings of space stories.


Looks like someone needs a lesson in midichlorians....
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 06, 2017, 08:50:20 AM
Movies that belong to a genre always will belong to it. But the same story told fifty years apart does not necessarily produce two sci-fi movies. Gravity would totally have been science-fiction in the sixties. In the 2010s it's a disaster movie about a could happen tomorrow scenario.

Midichlorians don't create the force, they're a reaction to it. Powerful jedis have high midichlorian counts because they're powerful, not the other way around. Hardly a scientific explanation of anything. Trust me, I wish SW was less mystical and more science oriented.

Another point I forgot to make earlier: genres are not self-exclusive. A science-fiction can also be comedy and action at the same time. Even the fantasy/science-fiction dichotomy is not entirely exclusive.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 06, 2017, 09:01:30 AM
Movies that belong to a genre always will belong to it. But the same story told fifty years apart does not necessarily produce two sci-fi movies. Gravity would totally have been science-fiction in the sixties. In the 2010s it's a disaster movie about a could happen tomorrow scenario.

That example doesn't wash with me because Gravity is absolutely a sci-fi movie to me. I get why you and Teproc don't think it is, but I'm not swayed.

Midichlorians don't create the force, they're a reaction to it. Powerful jedis have high midichlorian counts because they're powerful, not the other way around. Hardly a scientific explanation of anything.

When I said "someone" I guess I meant me.

Trust me, I wish SW was less mystical and more science oriented.

Why? I think it's an almost universally held opinion that the whole midichlorians thing (i.e., an attempt to put "The Force" into some scientific context) was a huge mistake by Lucas. What's wrong with SW being mystical?

Another point I forgot to make earlier: genres are not self-exclusive. A science-fiction can also be comedy and action at the same time. Even the fantasy/science-fiction dichotomy is not entirely exclusive.

That's the point I was trying to make when I said:

About Time is still sci-fi (and what the heck, fantasy too) to me, as well as romance and comedy.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Junior on October 06, 2017, 09:18:20 AM
As a guy who often thinks about a movie first in terms of genre, you all care a lot about genres.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 06, 2017, 09:27:55 AM
That's the point I was trying to make when I said:

About Time is still sci-fi (and what the heck, fantasy too) to me, as well as romance and comedy.

You made the point, but from your making it I understood you meant I was saying the opposite, which I was not.

The reason I am not a fan of the force being a mystical thing rather than some sort of mutation that allows people to develop all sorts of powers is mainly that it has all sorts of correlatives I don't like. Once you've established that mystical premise, the Manicheanism of the movie is inevitable. Powerful jedis and siths are rewarded for behaving in a certain way, which establishes the veracity of the dark side/light side dichotomy. If the force is this supernatural thing that resides everywhere and in every living being then there are indeed objective absolutes such as those. That means there are objective bad guys and objective good guys, and the bad guys are totally bad, and the good guys are totally good. That's endlessly boring.

Aside from my liking the idea of mutation-born superpowers in general, powers arising from biological accidents and nature that are wholly disconnected from philosophy allow for nuance and ambivalence. That would anchor SW more solidly in reality. As is, the movies are fun but their narratives cannot be taken seriously because they operate on almost childish levels of extremes and archetypes. The general story works great when you consider the great picture but when you get down to the level of the individuals, they are all hollow shells for archetypes that leave no room for the complexities of reality.

As a guy who often thinks about a movie first in terms of genre, you all care a lot about genres.

I don't so much, I just like things to be properly categorised.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Teproc on October 06, 2017, 09:28:12 AM
As a guy who often thinks about a movie first in terms of genre, you all care a lot about genres.

I don't know if I care so much as I find it fun to talk about.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 06, 2017, 10:38:24 AM
The reason I am not a fan of the force being a mystical thing rather than some sort of mutation that allows people to develop all sorts of powers is mainly that it has all sorts of correlatives I don't like. Once you've established that mystical premise, the Manicheanism of the movie is inevitable. Powerful jedis and siths are rewarded for behaving in a certain way, which establishes the veracity of the dark side/light side dichotomy. If the force is this supernatural thing that resides everywhere and in every living being then there are indeed objective absolutes such as those. That means there are objective bad guys and objective good guys, and the bad guys are totally bad, and the good guys are totally good. That's endlessly boring.

Aside from my liking the idea of mutation-born superpowers in general, powers arising from biological accidents and nature that are wholly disconnected from philosophy allow for nuance and ambivalence. That would anchor SW more solidly in reality. As is, the movies are fun but their narratives cannot be taken seriously because they operate on almost childish levels of extremes and archetypes. The general story works great when you consider the great picture but when you get down to the level of the individuals, they are all hollow shells for archetypes that leave no room for the complexities of reality.

Well this is key difference between you and me. I don't want to take Star Wars seriously. That's not what Star Wars is for. Star Wars is about good guys and bad guys. That's what makes it fun. The most morally gray you're gonna get is Han Solo, whose darkness is limited to a couple of shady deals and a penchant for sarcasm. Give me that over brooding mutants pouting about their inner demons any day of the week.

I sure as shit don't want my Star Wars "anchored solidly in reality". There's enough movies about reality. Reality and SW don't mix.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 06, 2017, 10:49:26 AM
Good and evil is boring. It ridicules evil into some cartoonish caricature and banalises it. It's not compelling, there's no struggle. Of course you're on the good side because the other side rapes donkeys for fun between murdering sprees. You don't even have to like the good guys. Luke is the blandest thing this side of beige but you've got to root for him because the guy on the other side blows up planets for interrogation purposes.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: MartinTeller on October 06, 2017, 11:11:24 AM
Do you always need to be struggling to decide who to root for? Why is that even important? Is that where 100% of your enjoyment of movies comes from? You can't accept the rules of a cinematic world where good is good and bad is bad? It's not meant to be some kind of accurate reflection of the real world. It's a world where the premise is "okay we got some good guys over here and they've got to defeat the bad guys over there... let's see how they do that, and enjoy some clever action and witty dialogue along the way".

And I mean, let's not kid ourselves... it's usually pretty clear who you're supposed to root for in any random Marvel movie as well. Talk about cartoonish caricatures, they've got a dude named "Doctor Doom".
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on October 06, 2017, 11:19:03 AM
And I mean, let's not kid ourselves... it's usually pretty clear who you're supposed to root for in any random Marvel movie as well. Talk about cartoonish caricatures, they've got a dude named "Doctor Doom".

I make precisely the same criticism about those movies. When Dr. Strange came out I wrote in my review that I wished they had better exposed the villain's philosophy, giving him a real, worthy case for trying to "kill time". I always complain about characters that are pure evil. It's one reason why I like Loki so much better, or why Civil War is a better movie than almost every other MCU film.

If you take this year, we've had a good Wonder Woman and a very good Spider-Man but the best villain so far has been David in Covenant, and he is nothing but grey areas.

Do you always need to be struggling to decide who to root for? Why is that even important? Is that where 100% of your enjoyment of movies comes from?

I don't need to, and it is not 100%, but it makes the movies better. I would have trouble coming up with a villain who would not be improved with some complexity or nuance.

EDIT: That's not true. Landa and Chigurh are fantastic villains. There is something different between them and Palpatine or some random baddie who wants to destroy the world. They're formidable killers operating by their personal, terrifying codes. Maybe the code is nuance. Maybe it is not but the strength of the performances elevate uni-dimensional characters. I'd have to think about it some more.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Knocked Out Loaded on October 07, 2017, 09:07:56 AM
As a guy who often thinks about a movie first in terms of genre, you all care a lot about genres.

I don't know if I care so much as I find it fun to talk about.
+1

Le voyage dans la lune (1902) is a sci-fi movie, Apollo 13 (1995) isn't. I feel that Gravity plays more like the latter. As Teproc said, some James Bond movies have more sci-fi stuff in them.

Star Wars without it's mythological superstructure would be the emptiest barrel in the galaxy.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oldkid on October 07, 2017, 10:50:10 AM
RE: James Bond
Yes, JB borrows from the sci fi genre, just as it does from many other genres, and makes them all boring.  Moonraker is the most sci fi of all James Bonds and it is one of the most dull.  Never have lasers been so lifeless. It is always better when it sticks to it's appropriate genre, action.   I think that using James Bond as a point of argument about genre is pretty weak.

Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: philip918 on November 14, 2017, 01:14:04 PM
The Ringer's 50 Best Superhero Movies of All Time:

http://superheroes.theringer.com/?_ga=2.179797472.573098526.1510677786-913124911.1499377149

Top 10

10. Guardians of the Galaxy
09. Thor: Ragnarok
08. Captain America: Civil War
07. Iron Man
06. Spider-Man 2
05. Wonder Woman
04. Spider-Man
03. Superman
02. The Avengers
01. The Dark Knight
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: oldkid on November 15, 2017, 05:15:11 PM
The Ringer's 50 Best Superhero Movies of All Time:

http://superheroes.theringer.com/?_ga=2.179797472.573098526.1510677786-913124911.1499377149


That's a fun list, even if I would argue that Suicide Squad shouldn't be on the "best" list of anything.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on November 15, 2017, 05:21:08 PM
Suicide Squad shouldn't be on lists at all. We should all just forget it happened and erase its every mention from the internet.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: Bondo on November 15, 2017, 06:10:07 PM
The Ringer's 50 Superhero Movies

Fixed Their Title.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: chardy999 on November 16, 2017, 03:25:37 AM
Suicide Squad shouldn't be on lists at all. We should all just forget it happened and erase its every mention from the internet.

Won an Oscar too! Sleep well.
Title: Re: Movie Lists
Post by: DarkeningHumour on November 16, 2017, 04:22:39 AM
And now I'm bummed.