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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #600 on: September 08, 2020, 08:52:38 AM »
I always get excited for a "super deluxe edition" of an album I love. However, right now I'm listening to The Beatles' "White Album", with four entire discs of demos and outtakes, and I realized... I don't give a damn any more. B-sides, great. Dance/extended remixes, great. But I don't need to hear shittier versions of my favorite songs. I kind of feel the same way about live versions, though occasionally there will be a really excellent performance.

It's very similar to how I feel about Blu-Rays... when a disc has a ton of extras, the initial excitement of "all this content!" quickly starts to feel like a chore to get through it all.  And yet, NOT consuming it feels wasteful somehow, like I'm passing up a privileged opportunity.

What a complicated relationship I have with media.

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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #601 on: September 08, 2020, 03:38:27 PM »
You should bookmark the SuperDeluxeEdition site. ;D

The most extreme box that I recently have encountered is a 26 disc treatment of King Crimson's debut In The Court of the Crimson King. I appreciate that there are people out there who are doing this kind of documentation. It adds a lot to the picture! Personally, however, the only artists that I have enjoyed sessions work, alternative takes and works in progress from are Bob Dylan and, to some extent, Elvis Costello. The big exception here being the fantastic 5 disc The Smile Sessions box that the Beach Boys released in 2011.

Movie-wise there are only a handful of titles that I would be interested in a Criterion-esque shape. As I am living in region 2 such releases are of little worth at the moment. Anyone who knows if there is a multi regional external drive that plays bluerays available for Mac?
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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #602 on: September 08, 2020, 03:56:13 PM »
You should bookmark the SuperDeluxeEdition site. ;D

I check it every day! Also The Second Disc.

The King Crimson reissues are insane. They also did a 24-disc set of the 1997-2008 era and who the heck was asking for THAT?

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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #603 on: September 08, 2020, 04:04:07 PM »
I think that my kid brother eventually would harvest those releases. Thanks for the link tip!
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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #604 on: September 08, 2020, 06:12:40 PM »
I love me some King Crimson, but yea, that's kinda nuts. The vast majority of the time I just want the base release. Occasionally an artist will come out with a deluxe version of the album that has a really good track (GKMC's The Recipe comes to mind).
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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #605 on: September 08, 2020, 09:03:25 PM »
I just want to state that I've been falling down the KPOP rabbit hole and I'm not sure how I feel about the songs but these music videos are wonderful.

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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #606 on: September 08, 2020, 10:24:08 PM »
I always get excited for a "super deluxe edition" of an album I love. However, right now I'm listening to The Beatles' "White Album", with four entire discs of demos and outtakes, and I realized... I don't give a damn any more. B-sides, great. Dance/extended remixes, great. But I don't need to hear shittier versions of my favorite songs. I kind of feel the same way about live versions, though occasionally there will be a really excellent performance.

It's very similar to how I feel about Blu-Rays... when a disc has a ton of extras, the initial excitement of "all this content!" quickly starts to feel like a chore to get through it all.  And yet, NOT consuming it feels wasteful somehow, like I'm passing up a privileged opportunity.

What a complicated relationship I have with media.

I rarely care about the extra content on a Blu-ray, I think the last I watched with the documentary included with The Shining. 

As far as the music demos and outtakes, I think Pink Floyd was the only band I had enough interest in to try to seek out a lot of these kind of stuff. It is interesting to be able to listen to Roger Water's original (or early) demo of the album to compare to the end product, especially for maybe some of the lyric changes. But they don't hold up for repeat listening just due to the production value.

I do like access to different live recordings just to find a few gems.  This opening and build up of this version of Fools in Love is so much better then the album version but is not typical of other live recordings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPSH9QTlXek
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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #607 on: September 08, 2020, 10:42:47 PM »
Yeah that's a stellar live album for how it showcases different renditions of familiar songs (including three very different styles of "Is She Really Going Out With Him?", IIRC)

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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #608 on: September 09, 2020, 01:39:31 AM »
Honestly, there isn't shit this week. No proper New Music FLYday tbh. Straight garbage.

The Tekashi 6ix9ine, one imagines, I could go on about the artist himself, but it's a boring album that is so pop rap in its sound that even the two singles, which I liked leading up to it, don't help it.

The Big Sean album, Detroit 2 or whatever it's called, is over an hour and absolutely abysmal. Big Sean isn't a good rapper to begin with, but this one...damn, it's a CINECAST!ing drag. Even the Thugger feature on the one song can't completely save that one. Then there's some 9 minute long song with a bunch of features that are hit and miss, but people like because Eminem is on it, I guess. Just CINECAST!ing poop. Arguably the best part is the Anderson .Paak song or the Dave Chapellle skit, and given how I feel about Anderson for the most part is saying a lot.

The only other thing I listened to, which was good, was the new Bizzy Banks project, GMTO Volume 1. But even this kind of didn't completely hit for me because I've been getting more and more in to Sleepy Hallows releases this year and this, while a bit different, is still in that subgenre and doesn't hit quite as hard, but the songs are solid to strong and I wish it hit in a week where I wasn't both overworked and soured on the other things I listened to.

Here's hoping next weekend is better. Didn't even really listen to any singles.

I tried Tekashi when you mentioned him before. But goodness, I can't even...Who is it intended for? I'm definitely not the intended audience.

With The LOX, I started up top with Gave It To Em, and that shit is HOOOOOOOOT. Oh man. Then I saw Large Professor did a track, so I skipped to that one, Think of The LOX, and oh my goodness, you can say it takes you back to the 90's, but The LOX never really made 90's style hip-hop in the 90's, got caught up in the growing commercialism. Just those two tracks are worth the price of admission. Only disappointment is no Premo, but I think I'll be alright. (Recognize is probably my most-listened to single hip-hop track, though. Top 10 for sure.)

Even when I don't comment, I always read the whole FLYday, so looking forward to the next!


I always get excited for a "super deluxe edition" of an album I love. However, right now I'm listening to The Beatles' "White Album", with four entire discs of demos and outtakes, and I realized... I don't give a damn any more. B-sides, great. Dance/extended remixes, great. But I don't need to hear shittier versions of my favorite songs. I kind of feel the same way about live versions, though occasionally there will be a really excellent performance.

It's very similar to how I feel about Blu-Rays... when a disc has a ton of extras, the initial excitement of "all this content!" quickly starts to feel like a chore to get through it all.  And yet, NOT consuming it feels wasteful somehow, like I'm passing up a privileged opportunity.

What a complicated relationship I have with media.

So, is "super deluxe edition" like a thing a company does, or just a generic term? I will say, Elliott Smith/his estate/Kill Rock Stars has dropped some deluxe anniversary editions of Either/Or and, recently, his self-titled album. Both have had some great live stuff. He's one of the few artists I can feel in his recorded performances; normally, recorded performances, whether videotaped or not, don't do much to reach me. I prefer music videos and BEING THERE. But Smith is one of those artists his big fans can feel possessive of, and I have to actively guard against that, because his songs have saved me. Any bit of recorded music from him will be consumed by me. But generally, I have no interest in deluxe versions of albums, I want the core tracks. Only a few bands have really interesting B-sides (Radiohead probably the best in this area) or demos (Joy Division is the one band I can think of that had some great pieces in this area, also crucial with the dearth of recorded material). It takes me long enough to just listen through The White Album, probably something I do yearly, and I don't see how I'd ever get into the cutting room floor stuff.
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Re: General Music talk
« Reply #609 on: September 09, 2020, 08:22:29 AM »
So, is "super deluxe edition" like a thing a company does, or just a generic term?

It's just a generic term.