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The Ratings Project
« on: September 26, 2012, 02:02:12 PM »
How does this work?
Every week, I'll post a list of about 60 titles, usually tied together by a theme. Then everyone rates all the titles they've seen (and remember well enough to rate) on a 0.0-10.0 scale. At the end of the week, I'll tally up the ratings and post the results for that week's batch of films. I'll also update the Top Ten Percent list, which tracks the highest scoring films in the history of the project, and also the Communal Watchlist, a continually updated list of the top 250 films (by average) that aren't already represented on the Top Ten Percent but have an average rating of at least 7.50 from fewer than 15 votes.

Is the project open to all Filmspotters?
Of course! As with most any forum project, the more participation the better.

Do I have to post my ratings publicly?
No, if for any reason you'd prefer to keep some or all of your ratings private, you can send them to me via private message instead.

How do you decide which films to include in the project?
The first twenty-seven weeks of the project have been focused exclusively on titles which received at least one vote in the Filmspotters' Top 100 Movies (2012 Edition). Once we run through all of those, we'll likely use the project to create group lists, such as Top 100 Horror Films and Top 100 Documentaries. I'll also be sure to poll on any new titles that receive votes in the 2013 edition of our Top 100 Movies, once that list is released this fall.

Can I go back and vote on the films from previous weeks?
Yes, please! The more complete your ratings are, the better. Here are the relevant links:

Week 1: Academy Award-Winners for Best Screenplay
Week 2: Horror Films
Week 3: Coming of Age
Week 4: Filmspotters' Top 12 Directors
Week 5: Frontiers
Week 6: Film Noir
Week 7: Festival Favorites
Week 8: Self-Reflexivity
Week 9: Female Directors
Week 10: Bleak Futures
Week 11: High-Energy Comedy
Week 12: Epics
Week 13: Discoveries of 2012
Week 14: Music and Musicals
Week 15: Family Films
Week 16: Teens and Twentysomethings
Week 17: War
Week 18: Cops and Robbers
Week 19: Faith and Death
Week 20: Romance
Week 21: Social Studies
Week 22: The Filmspot Years
Week 23: The Top 100, Part I
Week 24: The Top 100, Part II
Week 25: The Top 100, Part III
Week 26: The Top 100, Part IV
Week 27: The Top 100, Part V
Week 28: IMDb, AFI, and Sight & Sound
Week 29: They Shoot Pictures, Don't They?
Week 30: Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide
Week 31: Top 100 Horror Nominees, Part I
Week 32: Top 100 Horror Nominees, Part II
Week 33: Top 100 Horror Nominees, Part III
Week 34: Top 100 Horror Nominees, Part IV
Week 35: Top 100 Horror Nominees, Part V
Week 36: Top 100 Horror Nominees: The Final Chapter
Week 37: New Top 100 List Entries
Week 38: More Top 100 List Updates

Can we update our votes for a previous week?
Definitely. In fact, if I happen across a review from you of a film you haven't rated previously in the project, I'll probably message you to get a rating. But you can update your own ratings at any time, either by posting in this thread or sending me a message.

What's the best way to tell if a film has already been included in the project?
I recommend going to the print version of the Weekly Results thread and then using your browser's find feature to search for the title (or director or year).

Can you send me a list of all the films in the project so far along with my corresponding ratings?
That's usually no problem. Just message me your email address, and I'll send you a spreadsheet with all your ratings to date along with all the titles you've yet to rate.

Can you post the full database somewhere?
I'm reluctant to do so, mostly because some participants have chosen to keep their ratings private.

How come the selection of films for a given theme didn't include some essential titles?
Lots of possible reasons for this: The film was already part of a previous week; it was being held for a future week's theme; it didn't meet some other criteria (like, early on, having been on someone's Top 100 ballot); the selection of films was capped at sixty titles and it didn't make the cut; et cetera.

Is there a standard ratings scale that people use?
No, everybody has their own definition of how good an "8" is compared to a "5", for instance. A number of voters follow the school norm where everything below a 6.0 is considered a failure. Others make more use of the full ten-point scale, awarding scores of 4-5 to mediocre films and reserving the 0-3 range for the true failures. For a discussion of the various approaches, see here.

Should I rate titles based on how well they fit a given week's theme or just on how good the film is in and of itself?
Definitely the latter. The weekly themes are mainly just decorative.

How is a film's Score calculated?
A film's Score represents a weighting of its Average by its total number of Ratings. The idea here is that the more votes a film gets, the harder time it has maintaining a high average. For a film to have 10 votes and still average above a 9.00 is pretty rare, but plenty of films with only a handful of votes have that kind of average. That's the basis for the Score calculation. The number of votes a film has determines its maximum score — e.g., 10.000 for the film with the most votes, 6.000 for a film with just a single vote — and then its raw average is applied to that maximum as a ratio. As I'm writing this, for example, Sherlock Jr. has an average of 8.59 from 17 votes. The max score for a film with 17 votes is currently 9.58, so Sherlock Jr. score is 8.59 x (9.58 / 10) = 8.226. Sαtαntangσ, meanwhile, has a significantly higher average (9.02) from significantly fewer votes (10). The max score for a film with 10 votes is currently 9.12, so Sαtαntangσ score is 9.02 x (9.12 / 10) = 8.223, placing it just behind Sherlock Jr. in the standings, despite Keaton's film having the lower average.

Why did this film's rating drop so much in just a single week?
Big shifts in the rankings are usually attributable to one or more participants being inactive in the project for four weeks. When that happens, I remove their ratings from the group calculations, usually resulting in wild swings in the Top Ten Percent list and the Communal Watchlist. When those same participants actively start rating films again, I restore their old ratings, resulting in swings the other way. I also occasionally have to tweak the scoring math to make the formula match the total number of active participants. This too can cause certain films to rise or drop significantly (especially the films with fewer total ratings).

Let me know if you have any other questions.

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« Last Edit: December 04, 2013, 06:36:49 PM by pixote »
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Re: The Ratings Project: FAQ, Comments, and Questions
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2012, 02:11:46 PM »
It's possible I haven't thought through this fully enough. I imagine it'll be a lot cooler like three months from now.

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Re: The Ratings Project: FAQ, Comments, and Questions
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2012, 02:15:59 PM »
Week 1
These are all films which won an Academy Award for Best Screenplay and appeared on at least one Top 100 list here at the forum.

Seventh Heaven (Frank Borzage, 1927) —
It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934) —
Pygmalion (Anthony Asquith, Leslie Howard, 1938) —
Gone with the Wind (Victor Fleming, 1939) —
The Philadelphia Story (George Cukor, 1940) —
Going My Way (Leo McCarey, 1944) —
The Lost Weekend (Billy Wilder, 1945) —
The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946) —
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (John Huston, 1948) —
A Letter to Three Wives (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1949) —
All About Eve (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1950) —
An American in Paris (Vincente Minelli, 1951) —
The Lavender Hill Mob (Charles Crichton, 1951) —
The Bad and the Beautiful (Vincente Minelli, 1952) —
On the Waterfront (Elia Kazan, 1954) —
Marty (Delbert Mann, 1955) —
The Red Balloon (Albert Lamorisse, 1956) —
The Bridge on the River Kwai (David Lean, 1957) —
To Kill a Mockingbird (Robert Mulligan, 1962) —
A Man and a Woman (Claude Lelouch, 1966) —
A Man for All Seasons (Fred Zinnemann, 1966) —
In The Heat of the Night (Norman Jewison, 1967) —
The Lion in Winter (Anthony Harvey, 1968) —
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill, 1969) —
Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969) —
Patton (Franklin J. Schaffner, 1970) —
The French Connection (William Friedkin, 1971) —
The Exorcist (William Friedkin, 1973) —
The Sting (George Roy Hill, 1973) —
Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet, 1975) —
All the President's Men (Alan J. Pakula, 1976) —
Coming Home (Hal Ashby, 1978) —
Kramer vs. Kramer (Robert Benton, 1979) —
Ordinary People (Robert Redford, 1980) —
Chariots of Fire (Hugh Hudson, 1981) —
Gandhi (Richard Attenborough, 1982) —
A Room with a View (James Ivory, 1985) —
The Last Emperor (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987) —
Moonstruck (Norman Jewison, 1987) —
Dead Poets Society (Peter Weir, 1989) —
The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme, 1991) —
Howards End (James Ivory, 1992) —
The Piano (Jane Campion, 1993) —
Forrest Gump (Robert Zemeckis, 1994) —
Sense and Sensibility (Ang Lee, 1995) —
The Usual Suspects (Bryan Singer, 1995) —
Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) —
Shakespeare in Love (John Madden, 1998) —
American Beauty (Sam Mendes, 1999) —
Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe, 2000) —
Traffic (Steven Soderbergh, 2000) —
Gosford Park (Robert Altman, 2001) —
Talk to Her (Pedro Almodovar, 2002) —
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Peter Jackson, 2003) —
Sideways (Alexander Payne, 2004) —
Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005) —
The Departed (Martin Scorsese, 2006) —
Juno (Jason Reitman, 2007) —
The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow, 2008) —
The Descendants (Alexander Payne, 2011) —

Voting should be done in this thread. Just rate all the titles you've seen (and remember well enough to rate) on a 0-10 scale (with one decimal place allowed for the Criticker folks). It'll be easiest for me if you place your rating at the end of each line (after the dash) and delete the titles you don't rate.

Quoted for convenience.

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« Last Edit: September 26, 2012, 03:51:57 PM by pixote »
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Re: The Ratings Project: FAQ, Comments, and Questions
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2012, 02:27:47 PM »
My ratings for week one:

It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934) — 8
Pygmalion (Anthony Asquith, Leslie Howard, 1938) — 6
The Philadelphia Story (George Cukor, 1940) — 9
The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946) — 10
A Letter to Three Wives (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1949) — 10
Ordinary People (Robert Redford, 1980) — 10
Sense and Sensibility (Ang Lee, 1995) — 4
The Usual Suspects (Bryan Singer, 1995) — 6
Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) — 7
American Beauty (Sam Mendes, 1999) — 6
Juno (Jason Reitman, 2007) — 7
The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow, 2008) — 7
The Descendants (Alexander Payne, 2011) — 4

I skipped over a few titles I remember really liking just because it's been too long since I've seen them.

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Re: The Ratings Project
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2012, 02:41:33 PM »
So if I post here, I don't need to send a PM, right?

Note to Criticker users: you can use this collection although it seems to be missing a few

edit: whoops, didn't see that I could use a decimal.  also, added the missing entries to the Criticker collection

Seventh Heaven (Frank Borzage, 1927) — 8.1
It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934) — 8.5
Pygmalion (Anthony Asquith, Leslie Howard, 1938) — 9.0
Gone with the Wind (Victor Fleming, 1939) — 6.0
The Philadelphia Story (George Cukor, 1940) — 6.5
Going My Way (Leo McCrary, 1944) —
The Lost Weekend (Billy Wilder, 1945) — 7.5
The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946) — 8.1
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (John Huston, 1948) — 7.5
A Letter to Three Wives (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1949) — 8.3
All About Eve (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1950) — 8.1
An American in Paris (Vincente Minelli, 1951) — 9.0
The Lavender Hill Mob (Charles Crichton, 1951) — 7.5
The Bad and the Beautiful (Vincente Minelli, 1952) — 7.5
On the Waterfront (Elia Kazan, 1954) — 6.5
Marty (Delbert Mann, 1955) — 8.3
The Red Balloon (Albert Lamorisse, 1956) — 7.6
The Bridge on the River Kwai (David Lean, 1957) — 9.0
To Kill a Mockingbird (Robert Mulligan, 1962) — 8.3
A Man and a Woman (Claude Lelouch, 1966) — 8.3
A Man for All Seasons (Fred Zinnemann, 1966) — 5.5
In The Heat of the Night (Norman Jewison, 1967) — 6.4
The Lion in Winter (Anthony Harvey, 1968) — 4.4
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill, 1969) — 8.2
Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969) — 8.3
Patton (Franklin J. Schaffner, 1970) — 7.2
The French Connection (William Friedkin, 1971) — 7.4
The Exorcist (William Friedkin, 1973) — 9.2
The Sting (George Roy Hill, 1973) — 7.2
Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet, 1975) — 8.7
All the President's Men (Alan J. Pakula, 1976) — 7.4
Coming Home (Hal Ashby, 1978) —
Kramer vs. Kramer (Robert Benton, 1979) —
Ordinary People (Robert Redford, 1980) — 9.0
Chariots of Fire  (Hugh Hudson, 1981) — 6.5
Gandhi (Richard Attenborough, 1982) — 7.7
The Last Emperor (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987) — 7.5
Moonstruck (Norman Jewison, 1987) —
Dead Poets Society (Peter Weir, 1989) — 4.0
The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme, 1991) — 8.2
Howards End (James Ivory, 1992) —
The Piano (Jane Campion, 1993) — 8.2
Forrest Gump (Robert Zemeckis, 1994) — 5.5
Sense and Sensibility (Ang Lee, 1995) —
The Usual Suspects (Bryan Singer, 1995) — 6.8
A Room with a View (James Ivory, 1995) —
Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) — 7.2
Shakespeare in Love (John Madden, 1998) —
American Beauty (Sam Mendes, 1999) — 6.6
Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe, 2000) — 5.6
Traffic (Steven Soderbergh, 2000) — 7.3
Gosford Park (Robert Altman, 2001) — 7.7
Talk to Her (Pedro Almodovar, 2002) — 9.1
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Peter Jackson, 2003) — 8.7
Sideways (Alexander Payne, 2004) — 7.3
Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005) — 7.4
The Departed (Martin Scorsese, 2006) — 9.0
Juno (Jason Reitman, 2007) — 7.9
The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow, 2008) — 8.3
The Descendants (Alexander Payne, 2011) —

(correction: A Room with a View is 1985)
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Re: The Ratings Project
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2012, 03:05:59 PM »
So if I post here, I don't need to send a PM, right?

Right.

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Re: The Ratings Project: FAQ, Comments, and Questions
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2012, 03:09:12 PM »

Seventh Heaven (Frank Borzage, 1927) — 8.2
It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934) — 7.8
Pygmalion (Anthony Asquith, Leslie Howard, 1938) —9.6
Gone with the Wind (Victor Fleming, 1939) — 8.7
The Philadelphia Story (George Cukor, 1940) — 8.2
Going My Way (Leo McCrary, 1944) — 4.1
The Lost Weekend (Billy Wilder, 1945) — 9.4
The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946) — 9.1
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (John Huston, 1948) — 8.4
All About Eve (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1950) — 9.1
An American in Paris (Vincente Minelli, 1951) — 7.0
The Lavender Hill Mob (Charles Crichton, 1951) — 8.4
The Bad and the Beautiful (Vincente Minelli, 1952) — 8.2
On the Waterfront (Elia Kazan, 1954) — 8.3
Marty (Delbert Mann, 1955) — 9.3
The Red Balloon (Albert Lamorisse, 1956) — 9.1
The Bridge on the River Kwai (David Lean, 1957) — 9.2
To Kill a Mockingbird (Robert Mulligan, 1962) — 8.1
A Man and a Woman (Claude Lelouch, 1966) — 9.6
A Man for All Seasons (Fred Zinnemann, 1966) — 8.0
In The Heat of the Night (Norman Jewison, 1967) — 9.1
The Lion in Winter (Anthony Harvey, 1968) — 7.8
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill, 1969) — 8.5
Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969) — 9.0
Patton (Franklin J. Schaffner, 1970) — 8.4
The French Connection (William Friedkin, 1971) — 7.9
The Exorcist (William Friedkin, 1973) — 7.0
The Sting (George Roy Hill, 1973) — 8.4
Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet, 1975) — 9.0
All the President's Men (Alan J. Pakula, 1976) — 7.9
Kramer vs. Kramer (Robert Benton, 1979) — 7.6
Ordinary People (Robert Redford, 1980) — 7.5
Chariots of Fire  (Hugh Hudson, 1981) — 7.8
Gandhi (Richard Attenborough, 1982) — 9.0
A Room with a View (James Ivory, 1985) — 7.8
The Last Emperor (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987) — 7.4
Moonstruck (Norman Jewison, 1987) — 7.0
Dead Poets Society (Peter Weir, 1989) — 8.1
The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme, 1991) — 8.5
Howards End (James Ivory, 1992) — 7.2
The Piano (Jane Campion, 1993) — 7.9
Forrest Gump (Robert Zemeckis, 1994) — 7.8
Sense and Sensibility (Ang Lee, 1995) — 7.9
The Usual Suspects (Bryan Singer, 1995) — 9.2
Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) — 9.1
Shakespeare in Love (John Madden, 1998) — 7.3
American Beauty (Sam Mendes, 1999) — 8.7
Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe, 2000) — 8.9
Traffic (Steven Soderbergh, 2000) — 7.9
Gosford Park (Robert Altman, 2001) — 6.4
Talk to Her (Pedro Almodovar, 2002) — 5.6
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Peter Jackson, 2003) — 8.2
Sideways (Alexander Payne, 2004) — 7.4
Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005) — 7.4
The Departed (Martin Scorsese, 2006) — 7.8
Juno (Jason Reitman, 2007) — 8.4
The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow, 2008) — 8.6
The Descendants (Alexander Payne, 2011) — 8.4

Only two I haven't seen, I'll probably try to watch them. We can update our votes, right?:
A Letter to Three Wives (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1949) —
Coming Home (Hal Ashby, 1978) —

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Re: The Ratings Project: FAQ, Comments, and Questions
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2012, 03:10:23 PM »
Seventh Heaven (Frank Borzage, 1927) — 8.1
It Happened One Night (Frank Capra, 1934) — 9.4
Pygmalion (Anthony Asquith, Leslie Howard, 1938) — 6
Gone with the Wind (Victor Fleming, 1939) — 9.2
The Philadelphia Story (George Cukor, 1940) — 4.3
Going My Way (Leo McCrary, 1944) — 5.2
The Lost Weekend (Billy Wilder, 1945) — 6.3
The Best Years of Our Lives (William Wyler, 1946) — 9
The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (John Huston, 1948) — 9.8
A Letter to Three Wives (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1949) — 8.1
All About Eve (Joseph L. Mankiewicz, 1950) — 8.4
An American in Paris (Vincente Minelli, 1951) — 7.2
The Lavender Hill Mob (Charles Crichton, 1951) — 6
The Bad and the Beautiful (Vincente Minelli, 1952) — 9.7
On the Waterfront (Elia Kazan, 1954) — 9.8
Marty (Delbert Mann, 1955) — 7
The Red Balloon (Albert Lamorisse, 1956) — 7
The Bridge on the River Kwai (David Lean, 1957) — 8.8
To Kill a Mockingbird (Robert Mulligan, 1962) — 8.7
A Man and a Woman (Claude Lelouch, 1966) — 6.1
A Man for All Seasons (Fred Zinnemann, 1966) — 3.7
In The Heat of the Night (Norman Jewison, 1967) — 3.8
The Lion in Winter (Anthony Harvey, 1968) — 8.4
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (George Roy Hill, 1969) — 8.2
Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969) — 7.1
Patton (Franklin J. Schaffner, 1970) — 5
The French Connection (William Friedkin, 1971) — 7.3
The Exorcist (William Friedkin, 1973) — 8.2
The Sting (George Roy Hill, 1973) — 7.6
Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet, 1975) — 9.7
All the President's Men (Alan J. Pakula, 1976) — 5
Coming Home (Hal Ashby, 1978) — 4.6
Kramer vs. Kramer (Robert Benton, 1979) — 6
Ordinary People (Robert Redford, 1980) — 8.6
Chariots of Fire  (Hugh Hudson, 1981) — 5.6
Gandhi (Richard Attenborough, 1982) — 8.3
A Room with a View (James Ivory, 1985) — 7.4
The Last Emperor (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987) — 6.1
Moonstruck (Norman Jewison, 1987) — 6
Dead Poets Society (Peter Weir, 1989) — 4
The Silence of the Lambs (Jonathan Demme, 1991) — 10
Howards End (James Ivory, 1992) — 5.3
The Piano (Jane Campion, 1993) — 4
Forrest Gump (Robert Zemeckis, 1994) — 9.8
Sense and Sensibility (Ang Lee, 1995) — 7.3
The Usual Suspects (Bryan Singer, 1995) — 8.4
Good Will Hunting (Gus Van Sant, 1997) — 8.6
Shakespeare in Love (John Madden, 1998) — 8.1
American Beauty (Sam Mendes, 1999) — 8.8
Almost Famous (Cameron Crowe, 2000) — 8.6
Traffic (Steven Soderbergh, 2000) — 6
Gosford Park (Robert Altman, 2001) — 5.7
Talk to Her (Pedro Almodovar, 2002) — 4
The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (Peter Jackson, 2003) — 8.8
Sideways (Alexander Payne, 2004) — 5
Brokeback Mountain (Ang Lee, 2005) — 6.3
The Departed (Martin Scorsese, 2006) — 7.4
Juno (Jason Reitman, 2007) — 8.3
The Hurt Locker (Kathryn Bigelow, 2008) — 6
The Descendants (Alexander Payne, 2011) — 7.9
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Re: The Ratings Project: FAQ, Comments, and Questions
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2012, 03:11:24 PM »
We can update our votes, right?

Yeah, any time. I was thinking that every two or three months, I also might send people lists of their unrated films to see if they have updates.

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Re: The Ratings Project
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2012, 03:11:44 PM »
Easy first week for me, I've only seen 9 of these, I think. I'll put some numbers next to them in the coming day.

Is the title of this inspired by Mindy Kaling?