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What time should we have the presentation of the Filmspotting Top 30?

Monday,  Sept 1. 5pm PST
8 (50%)
Thursday, Sept 4, 2pm PST
1 (6.3%)
Thursday Sept 4, 5pm PST
4 (25%)
Friday Sept 5, 5pm PST
3 (18.8%)

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Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« on: May 18, 2014, 02:05:40 AM »
I guess we can't say that it's annual, because we missed a year :(  But it would be the sixth annual. 

I'm new to this, so I'd like to cover all the basics.  What month (August/September)?  Who will get involved with what?

I'm willing to do the advertising and the basic compilation and the presentation.

Corndog said he'd help.  Bondo said he'd help with the number stuff (which is good, because that's the scariest part for me).  1SO said he'd help with screenshots and forum quotes (which is a great way to go).

Any thoughts or considerations?  Any new ideas?
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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2014, 06:25:53 AM »
August/September is fine. At the moment no new ideas, the basic structure of the top 100 works. It just comes down to a discussion of how to work out the position of each voted film. Is it allowed to created a block of films and not rank those within the block, then how to 'score' each of those films. Do you allow people to give a rank score to there selection, with maximum values for a film and a minimum. So a person is allocated 4000 points (which will mean that you can not just go from 100 to 1 for the 100 films), a film can get a maximum of 100 points, so they might give 5 films 100 points then 50 films they might give 50 points to 35 films get 25 points and 5 get 20 points and 5 get 5 points. Just something different, however it will be more work as the entry of data will have an extra figure. Just an idea.

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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2014, 07:02:48 AM »
The traditional scoring is something like:
1st=20 points
2-5=15 points
6-10=10 points
11-20=8 points
21-30=6 points
31-40=5 points
41-60=4 points
61-80=2 points
81-100=1 point

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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2014, 12:13:02 PM »
Dave, I like your idea.  But a brief consideration of how that would divide in my top 100 made me realize that I would have to do actual MATH!  That was a scary moment.
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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2014, 01:33:38 PM »
Dave's "pick your points" option, with a max individual film and collective total (arguably one could choose to have fewer than 100 submitted films with a higher average or maybe even more than 100 with a lower average) is interesting. It would also be an administrative complication on the back end, though ultimately manageable. I reckon it is actually more of an extra time investment for creation of ballots than tabulation of ballots (unless it results in more films being on ballots, though it could very well result in fewer films being on ballots if we allow it).

BTW, based on my sample standard point distribution, we are looking at 460 total points in a 100 film ballot. So maybe a 500 point total list maximum with a single film maximum of 25? Unfortunately, it is hard to test the effects of such a system easily to know what level of individual maximum would lead to perhaps films making it on the group list based on a small number of max votes. I guess if the lists were ranked and had points, we'd have the old system as a back-up if things seemed awry, though that WOULD be a significant administrative time bump.

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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2014, 01:39:05 PM »
I can see one difficulty, in which it would be easier to game the system.  To guarantee a placement of a lower-ranked film in the group 100, a person can put all points on one film.  So, for instance, I want to see In America on the list, so I put all my points on that film and just don't list any others.  It's a silly thing, but we might want to have a minimum number of films, like, say 50.
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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2014, 01:46:22 PM »
I think Dave accounted for that by saying a film can receive a maximum of 100 points. That way you know your most-favored films will still only have as many points as someone else's most-favored, regardless of how many films they list.

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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2014, 02:24:48 PM »
Oof. I would just assign points using the weighting of our traditional system...ranking the bloody things is hard enough

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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2014, 03:25:04 PM »
That's where I lean as well, Jared.
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Re: Filmspotter Top 100 2014-- Discussion
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2014, 07:59:21 PM »
I would prefer the traditional method. It's tried and true. Never failed us yet. And simple enough for everyone involved.

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