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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #550 on: March 10, 2018, 05:15:07 PM »
Just looked it up, wow!!!!

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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #551 on: March 10, 2018, 06:53:25 PM »
Whoa, I can't remember ever seeing a film that had a theatrical release get less than 5.

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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #552 on: March 10, 2018, 07:21:38 PM »
Whoa, I can't remember ever seeing a film that had a theatrical release get less than 5.
Even taking "theatrical release" to mean Wide release and watched by a good number of people there are quite a few every year:
Some examples that shouldn't be surprising
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2322441/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259571/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118688/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4877122/
There are quite a lot more. Less than 4 is rarer, but still happens a few times a year

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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #553 on: March 10, 2018, 07:52:48 PM »
Huh wow you're right! Sub-5 I'm generally willing to take imdb's word for it.

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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #554 on: March 10, 2018, 08:43:10 PM »
To be fair, A Wrinkle In Time is almost calibrated to be opposite of your average IMDB user's taste. Add in "forced diversity" and you've got a recipe to turn what seems to be an uneven movie into an overly low-rated movie.
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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #555 on: March 11, 2018, 07:34:06 AM »
Whoa, I can't remember ever seeing a film that had a theatrical release get less than 5.
Even taking "theatrical release" to mean Wide release and watched by a good number of people there are quite a few every year:
Some examples that shouldn't be surprising
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2322441/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259571/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118688/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0938283/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4877122/
There are quite a lot more. Less than 4 is rarer, but still happens a few times a year

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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #556 on: March 12, 2018, 08:06:31 PM »
'A Wrinkle in Time’ Proves Rotten Tomatoes User Reviews and IMDb Ratings are Broken

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/03/a-wrinkle-in-time-rotten-tomatoes-imdb-ratings-user-reviews-1201938353/

More than a month before Ava DuVernay’s “A Wrinkle in Time” arrived in theaters, an “audience review” appeared on Rotten Tomatoes that offered an isolated comment from user “Jonathan G”: “Piece of shit remake of a wonderful book.” The “review” posted on February 5, weeks before DuVernay’s big-scale Disney adaptation of the beloved Madeleine D’Engle book was set to hit theaters.

It wasn’t even the earliest “review” to appear on the aggregation site. That one hit the web January 7, when user “CGF M” wrote in a half-star review: “This film is going to fumble and should not deserve any recognition. The original novel is better than what is already being presented. It’s one big cliche, the acting seems dry, the only performance I can possibly say that will be GOOD is Chris Pine’s, that’s it. Casting just for the sake of diversity or being politically correct does not make a film, Disney. The effects also, they do not look good.”

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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #557 on: March 12, 2018, 08:10:39 PM »
Shorter that story: White men have way too much free time.

The easier answer would be data normalization. One would essentially expect to see a bell curve. A mode with responses more or less diminishing on either side. The disproportionate 10s and 1s can clearly be marked as outliers, potentially fake, and corrected for to find a "true" average. This isn't even a challenging algorithm to put in place.
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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #558 on: March 12, 2018, 08:24:15 PM »
I have no doubt A Wrinkle in time is downvoted by racists. I also strongly suspect it's not a very good movie. The other examples (Black Panther and Last Jedi) mentioned in that article are probably better for making the point in that they're well regarded critically and by a large segment of the audience.

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And look no further than the other major audience-centric voting system that requires participants to see the film first: CinemaScore. That system, too, is far from perfect; it provides only a letter grade at the end of a major release’s opening weekend, with no measure of quality. However, it does have one thing locked down: Voters need to see the film first, then they can vote. At the end of this weekend, “A Wrinkle in Time” walked away with a solid B.
A Cinemascore B is not a good grade, it's a mediocre split audience grade. Probably equivalent to that 42% RT from critics score or low 6 on imdb.

The easier answer would be data normalization. One would essentially expect to see a bell curve. A mode with responses more or less diminishing on either side. The disproportionate 10s and 1s can clearly be marked as outliers, potentially fake, and corrected for to find a "true" average. This isn't even a challenging algorithm to put in place.
Imdb does this already. A Wrinkle in time just doesn't have enough votes to overcome the many hundreds of outliers, and its true score is still probably not very good which makes it harder for imdb to "see" the outliers. It has risen quite a bit in the past few days since this discussion started.
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Re: Random Movie Thoughts and Questions
« Reply #559 on: March 13, 2018, 06:13:55 PM »
The older I get, the more I think most people's movie opinions both professional and amateur is not worth the breath/writing it takes. It's either paint by the numbers reviews that aren't going to sway anyone's mind, hot takes in a post-social media world, or some think-piece that's going to be out of date within six months.

There's a reason why people still read reviews by the likes of Bazan, Truffaut, Godard, Ebert, Rosenbaum, etc... I may not even agree with some of those guys, but they were good writers who learned how the medium worked.

Now everyone and their mom has some opinion about a film, which is fine, but my goodness how many of these people have opinions based on ignorance/contrarianism or just outright hatred and spite? On the flip side, how much of your reviews are you just asking if the film touts what you consider to be the "right" political view of the day?  How much does your review reflect your attitude and not that magical moment of meeting a film halfway and seeing what does and doesn't work.

Right now I just see this push for films to be overtly political in a way antithetical to the absolute commercialization driven society of a post-blockbuster era. Sure, cast all your Disney films with diverse characters, but don't for a second forget that those characters are going onto toy shelves to be sold to children to make more cash for Disney.

I wish I wasn't so cynical about the industry, but it just keeps growing greedier and greedier and I just see diversity as the moneymaker of the day. Make people feel like they're more progressive than that racist 16 year old kid across the street by seeing another uninspired Disney flick whilst touting it as a bold political move instead of yet another cynical and bad adaptation of a classic Children's book. You seeing the new diversity flick of the week is just putting more money back into the same system that is basically pimping out whatever ideas fit the times and get them more money.

This isn't even getting into the shifting global market, Disney bullying out the multiplex system and the slow division of streaming services.

 

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