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Re: mother!
« Reply #70 on: October 09, 2017, 10:32:43 AM »
Yes, that is the rib wound. I don't know what the thing that escapes from the toilet into the plumbery later is though.
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« Reply #71 on: October 09, 2017, 12:01:00 PM »
I read that it was Sarah-Jeanne Labrosse. She's credited as "foremother."

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The look is so uncanny (and little like Labrosse's IMDB photos.) I wonder if this is like Guy Henry playing Peter Cushing playing Tarkin in Rogue One. I just think Aronofsky had the power to make the first woman look nothing like his ex, but instead opted to stoke the fires of discussion by making her look more like her.
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« Reply #72 on: October 11, 2017, 03:02:29 AM »
I was musing as to whether Michelle Pfeiffer was Eve or Adam's other wife, Lilith, who is more sexual and independent than Eve.
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« Reply #73 on: October 11, 2017, 03:31:52 AM »
Eve - Lilith doesn't appear in the Bible. She is an ancient mythological figure one can find in the Talmud, among other texts, but not in the Old Testament.

Also, Lilith doesn't eat the Apple. And she isn't born of a rib. And Cain and Abel aren't her children. The metaphor wouldn't work if Pfeiffer was Lilith.
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« Reply #74 on: October 11, 2017, 08:56:21 AM »
Eve - Lilith doesn't appear in the Bible. She is an ancient mythological figure

Much like the Bible;)

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« Reply #75 on: October 11, 2017, 09:18:41 AM »
By historical standards, the Bible is the obnoxious upstart of mythologies.
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« Reply #76 on: October 12, 2017, 02:38:55 PM »
Is this supposed to be strictly biblical?

However, it is true that Cain and Abel weren't Lilith's children. 
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« Reply #77 on: October 13, 2017, 03:05:54 AM »
I don't see anything in the movie indicating we should look to other sources than the Bible where the religious interpretation is concerned.

Perhaps Pfeiffer's sexuality and general obnoxiousness are a critique of Aronofsky's view on how the Bible treats women, particularly the archetypal Eve.
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Re: mother!
« Reply #78 on: October 13, 2017, 04:41:29 AM »
Is this supposed to be strictly biblical?

However, it is true that Cain and Abel weren't Lilith's children.

I've never read the good book, so not sure if I would say strictly biblical. I am sure it takes many liberties but I thought it was primarily biblical at its core with some interesting side themes layered on top.
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« Reply #79 on: October 13, 2017, 06:04:10 PM »
I don't see anything in the movie indicating we should look to other sources than the Bible where the religious interpretation is concerned.

Perhaps Pfeiffer's sexuality and general obnoxiousness are a critique of Aronofsky's view on how the Bible treats women, particularly the archetypal Eve.

I saw nothing in the movie that required that we limit it to the Bible.

Eve is treated in the Bible as innocent and gullible.  I think that you are mixing up the lousy interpretation of fundamentalist Christians with the ancient text, which is distinct.
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