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The Last Jedi
« on: December 14, 2017, 10:24:15 PM »
Just a quick thought I couldn't put in my Lettrboxd review or anywhere else.

Weird that this echoes Harry Potter so much in the midsection. I almost thought that we were getting a Rey/Ren and Harry/Voldemort thing going on with those connection scenes (which don't entirely add up to me, since it feels like Rey is on Luke's planet for way longer than that space battle is going on, but I'm sure I'm just wrong), plus that whole Mirror of Erised part in there too. Kylo's scars too?

Anyway, I do like the way that keeping pretty much everything happening in the course of 24 hours did things structurally to maintain the tension on a larger scale, it's a bigger risk than I was expecting the film to take, tbh, and Johnson does handle it really well.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2017, 10:52:30 PM »
I'm super happy they didn't do something cheap with either Snoke or Rey in terms of their origin. That was my biggest fear going into this movie.

I'll probably end up seeing it another time or two in the near future with friends so I'm not going to say much more than that about the film right now.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2017, 11:04:44 PM »
I'm super happy they didn't do something cheap with either Snoke or Rey in terms of their origin. That was my biggest fear going into this movie.

Yeah, I was worried about that too, especially since I've thought since the first one that Rey and Kylo were probably just brother and sister. I still kind of think that and that he was just lying to her, but who knows. Snoke was, when I saw the first one, my second biggest problem with it next to how hard it leaned in to calling back to A New Hope and pandering to the original films. And here he's still not perfected, I'm still not sure where or how he rose to power, but making him a more physical presence helped a lot. Still not sure he works as a villain, but he's also more of an item to push forward Ren's story, and as that he does work. Still unsure how I feel about the look of him, though it's cool seeing the extremes of how the dark side warps you, like in KotOR and stuff.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2017, 04:05:11 AM »
As much as the entire casino planet was absolutely worthless padding, and the space-superman being incredibly silly, the hyperspace attack on Snoke's ship was jaw-dropping. I wasn't expecting Akira to be a touchstone of a 2017 Star Wars movie, but here we are.

It's very solid, and makes me kind of sad that they're going back to JJ for IX - however thankful I am for Trevorrow not being a part of it, TLJ is a great example of why Star Wars shouldn't play it safe.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2017, 04:41:34 AM »
Weird that this echoes Harry Potter so much in the midsection.

Ha, yeah. I thought the last shot should have faded to a title that read, "And that's how quidditch was born."

As much as the entire casino planet was absolutely worthless padding ...

The very first shot of the casino literally made me say to myself, "I could walk out now without regret."

the hyperspace attack on Snoke's ship was jaw-dropping

I found it telling that the best moment in the film was when they shut off the soundtrack.

Worst moment in the film: Fighting for what you love. I wish Finn had been ripped to shreds in the crash and Rose walked away without a scratch but in tears, with Leia crying after her, "What were in thinking?!?" and Rose whispering, "I wasn't thinking. I was feeling."

The Fozzie Bear cameo was weird. It's too bad they couldn't get Yoda.

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I think I'd love how awkward it'd be, or how awkward it should be.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2017, 05:09:47 PM »
Can someone remind me of the significance of Captain Phasma? Her first appearance earned scattered applause in my theater, and I felt left out. And then nothing she did thereafter seemed to retroactively justify that applause.

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I think I'd love how awkward it'd be, or how awkward it should be.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2017, 05:14:23 PM »
She's played by a GoT star and GoT people have a cultlike love of GoT actors.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2017, 05:23:59 PM »
She's played by a GoT star and GoT people have a cultlike love of GoT actors.

Ah, thanks. That makes sense.

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I think I'd love how awkward it'd be, or how awkward it should be.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2017, 06:08:54 PM »
“Let the past die. Kill it.” -Kylo Ren

... also Rian Johnson’s reaction to the criticism that The Force Awakens was just A Newer New Hope. I really enjoyed the direction this trilogy is taking. Just like Abrams’ film—I have some issues with some plot/pacing hiccups, however, this a thousand times more interesting than most popcorn flicks currently in rotation (looking at you, Marvel).

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2017, 08:00:55 PM »
Weird that this echoes Harry Potter so much in the midsection. I almost thought that we were getting a Rey/Ren and Harry/Voldemort thing going on with those connection scenes (which don't entirely add up to me, since it feels like Rey is on Luke's planet for way longer than that space battle is going on, but I'm sure I'm just wrong), plus that whole Mirror of Erised part in there too. Kylo's scars too?
I thought there was a tone close to Harry Potter too. I felt it in the casino sequence where the Fantastic Beasts take a ride. I know this section is going to be a problem for many, but I thought it was better handled than the big monster detour in Force Awakens. I really liked the creature design all around - very Miyazaki - and this is where we meet Benecio del Toro's unusual character, who I thought walked a line between good and evil that's much more interesting than Domhnall Gleeson banging his one-note.

I understand there are lots of people with Ewok/Jar Jar trauma and any time Star Wars gets cute they instantly react in a negative way. I imagine many hated it when BB-8 appeared in the two-legged walker, and that's fine. Wasn't my favorite moment either, but I accept that as part of the series desire to appeal to all ages. Where it doesn't work are the kids who take care of the horse beasts and appear at the end. It took me awhile to accept the scenes were meant to show the spirit of the rebellion still burning, but it looks like a commercial pandering to children to live the adventure by... buying a lot of merchandise.