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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #120 on: June 08, 2018, 03:45:39 AM »
The evidence doesn't suggest that to be the nature of the dark side. We know of three other dark side practitioners, and none of them are impulsive. Maul is shown to be competent and systematic, if a little bit impatient during fights (and opposed to the dude who'll just take a break to do yoga I mean)  ; Dooku is suave and always keeps a cool head ; Sidious is so patient and restrained he pulled off a decades long plan to seize power. Little about the movies informs you of the differences between the dark and light sides. It's mostly about being a good guy or a douche with a choking fetish. If you're not okay dorey with genocide, then you're probably on the light side. TLJ's teaching scenes are perhaps the most that's ever told us about them.

I like to look at the decanonised EU for insight. There's a comic book that talks about being one with the force versus forcing your will upon it. They also mention things like controlling your passions instead of giving into them, which the movies also go into.
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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #121 on: June 08, 2018, 10:09:10 AM »
I said that impulsive young men is one type that the dark side attracts, probably because they give into their weaknesses at critical moments.  In fact, I don't think that an impulsive person is the heart of the dark side, as you say.  I am saying that there are certain personality types that tend to be in the dark side.

But the real point I have is that Ren is projecting a persona, which Ray was attracted to, but I think Ray saw through that persona and saw that Ren made an inadequate partner.
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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #122 on: June 08, 2018, 11:35:49 AM »
That relationship is one of the highlights of the movie and here are my two bits. Ray is attracted to the vulnerability in Ren. It mirrors her own, as both are desperate to find new father figures and teachers who will fill their need for approval. Ren found a master in Snoke and Vader is the one he really looks to but none can give him what he needs. Ray wants to find her parents and in them a confirmation of her worth. There is also something to be said about wanting to save/change the bad boy in pain, a common motivation in this kind of relationships, that is perhaps more true of women then men (at least for the bad boy part).

Forced intimacy is also a powerful engine. They've experienced traumatic events together and they have to subsequently share their pain when they're at their lowest. Ren when he's rebuked by Snoke for his failures, Ray amidst her frustration with Luke. Not to mention the whole you killed my father figure type who was your real dad thing.

And possibly, Kylo being more experienced and knowledgeable, not just about the Force, but about the entire universe of characters and events Rey is only just penetrating. That is always a draw.
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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #123 on: July 06, 2018, 02:26:49 PM »
The latest spoiler-filled Slash Filmcast with Rian Johnson is very illuminating/fun. Check it out.

Agreed, every time I hear the guy, I like him more. Still not too hot on TLJ but will give it a proper rewatch after it gets released on BD.

This is so good...yes.

(Equally good is their takedown of "Solo: A Star Wars Movie" in a much later episode)
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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #124 on: July 09, 2018, 05:16:59 AM »
I think that's where I heard that Rey learned to handle a lightsaber through her connection to Ren, and that made everything better.
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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #125 on: July 09, 2018, 02:14:43 PM »
I think that's where I heard that Rey learned to handle a lightsaber through her connection to Ren, and that made everything better.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-rey-lightsaber-kylo-ren/

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #126 on: July 10, 2018, 10:22:41 AM »
I think that's where I heard that Rey learned to handle a lightsaber through her connection to Ren, and that made everything better.

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-last-jedi-rey-lightsaber-kylo-ren/

This is great.

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Re: The Last Jedi
« Reply #127 on: July 10, 2018, 10:44:59 AM »
I hadn't read that, but I like it.
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