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Re: Phantom Thread
« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2018, 12:49:22 PM »
They don't start off by being in a romantic relationship (quite). And there are several degrees of separation between serious relationships and ownership sharing arrangements like marriage and the latest in a series of flings.

He asks her out for dinner then takes her back to his place. It's clear, by social standards, that this is a date. This isn't modern day texting "wanna hang out?", this is 1950s London.

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« Reply #41 on: August 29, 2018, 03:32:34 AM »
I think he was, at first, purely interested in her for her muse potential, but acted out on it in a way that would make anyone confuse it for romantic interest. Certainly he has a single minded focus on his work, and demonstrates throughout the movie that that is pretty much the only thing he cares about. The romance comes later, almost as an afterthought. It seems to me that the whole sleeping with her business was entirely optional, and contingent on some revealed quality of hers (I don't remember what precipitates the event).
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« Reply #42 on: August 29, 2018, 06:35:33 PM »
It seems to me that he was interested in her more than just "muse potential."  I suppose that's possible, given his odd, self-absorbed nature, but he was giving serious overtones of romantic interest.
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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2018, 05:32:23 AM »
I don't know, the guy is extremely disagreeable and borderline antisocial. I doubt, before the very end of the movie, he ever harboured more than some lust, and perhaps mild tenderness, towards Ava.
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« Reply #44 on: August 30, 2018, 11:24:53 AM »
I don't know, the guy is extremely disagreeable and borderline antisocial. I doubt, before the very end of the movie, he ever harboured more than some lust, and perhaps mild tenderness, towards Ava.

I'd have to watch it a couple more times before I could draw any conclusions to that.
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« Reply #45 on: August 31, 2018, 11:04:03 AM »
I don't know, the guy is extremely disagreeable and borderline antisocial. I doubt, before the very end of the movie, he ever harboured more than some lust, and perhaps mild tenderness, towards Ava.

I'd have to watch it a couple more times before I could draw any conclusions to that.

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« Reply #46 on: October 04, 2018, 03:28:57 PM »
My long-awaited rewatch comes courtesy of HBO. I've been eager to see it again mainly to focus on how Greenwood's beautiful score was used (I've listened to it in isolation many times since my first viewing), but I'm finding myself really enjoying the heck out of everything. In some ways its greatest asset is in casting: the leads, the parade of clients, the old ladies in the workroom. I think I could watch the brilliant Lesley Manville's dour death stare forever.

I can't explain or defend the ending — I'm not very bright that way — but I love the journey.
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