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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #20 on: April 03, 2019, 10:25:57 PM »
Because of my fascination with the Director sub-board this is like choosing my 5 least favorite colors from all possible shades. A true answer would take a lot more research and my Director Marathon is still years from completion. I've highlighted a few names that would certainly be in contention for my Top 5. My Top 3 are locked in tight.

1. Jean-Luc Godard (Seen 15, Exception: Pierrot le fou). Hailed as the genius who looks at cinema from angles we wouldn't dare. All I see is a disdain for storytelling and filmmaking that makes cinema great.

2. Stan Brakhage (Seen 83. Thankfully they're Short. Exception: The Act of Seeing with One's Own Eyes and Window Water Baby Moving). I find it funny that MartinTeller can rank the 84 he's seen. About 70 of them look like a filmstrip on acid and a few more look like they filmed something first and then added the acid.

3. Yasujirô Ozu (Seen 15, Exception: ...I dunno, Late Spring) It's funny that I never made a ranked list for Ozu, probably because it would require me to watch his films over again to tell them apart. He's a good writer, if you don't mind watching the same story play out over and over again. As a director, his one and only way to point the camera and shoot his scenes is maddening.


The next group are ones I've already done in my Marathon:

4. Orson Welles (Seen 12, Exception: Citizen Kane) Too much has been made about outside factors hindering Welles' genius. The more I watch, the more I think Citizen Kane was a fluke, because a wildly ambitious vision shouldn't be that successful as often as it is in that one movie. Everything after you can see what he's trying for, sometimes he succeeds. Often he's that annoying party guest who thinks we've all come to see him.

5. Marcel Carné (Seen 4, no exceptions) There are a number of French directors from the 40s and 50s who I considered. I removed René Clair because of And Then There Were None. Considered Jean Renoir, but I recommend 6 out of the 20 I've seen. I settled on Carné because none of his movies have even a scene or a moment that excites me.

6. Mario Bava (Seen 15, no Exceptions) There are a number of Italian Horror (and Italian Spaghetti Western) filmmakers who I would call worse (Sergio Corbucci), but none have Bava's reputation. Bava has 12 films on They Shoot Zombies. Only Hammer workhorse Terence Fischer has more, and six of his are actually good.

7. Ralph Bakshi (Seen 8, Exception: American Pop) Not exactly the Top name Martin was asking for, but he's a strong cult figure in Animation. The films themselves are crude in both style and content and his transgressive shock humor is less funny today. It would probably have cut his career way short.

8. Apichatpong Weerasethakul (Seen 6, no Exceptions) Despite these stats, it's still possible I just haven't figured 'Joe' out yet. He doesn't have the contempt of Godard, but what others see as experimental and a breakthrough I see as the result of someone who hasn't learned how movies work yet, but occasionally stumbles onto an interesting image.


This last batch, the verdict is still out. I've come around on Hirokazu Koreeda and it could happen to these filmmakers too.

Claire Denis (Seen 2.5, Exception: the last scene of Beau travail) Five years ago, I planned a marathon which stalled due to lack of available titles. She's 136 Directors away on my Marathon and hopefully I can find more of her work by then.

Stephen Daldry (Seen 7, Exception: first 2 eps of "The Crown") One of the most undeserved achievements of the Academy Awards is Daldry being nominated three times for his first three features and the first four being nomd for Best Picture. There's no other way to put it, his choices rub me the wrong way, and nobody else seems to notice while for me they stick out. The editing is off or the performances get unexpectedly bad because the dialogue sounds like the actors don't know how to perform correctly. The best thing about Solo bombing is that Daldry's Obi-Wan movie was scrapped. I have low expectations for Wicked.

Frederick Wiseman: I've seen more Les Blank, but that's because he mostly makes short films. Wiseman (who I remind you I haven't watched enough of yet) gives me nothing but fear because his subjects sound boring (Public Housing, State Legislature, National Gallery) while his running times are often exceptionally long. (Domestic Violence runs 196 minutes. Nothing about that excites or interests me.)

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2019, 09:42:49 AM »
lol

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2019, 08:45:46 PM »
Wiseman seems great, I just hate him because it's largely impossible to see his films. Or was before they hit that one service, which is cool, but FLY lives on the modern edge, so my catch ups are, admittedly, slow and my anti-doc bias is pretty heavy despite being way in to the manner in which Wiseman seems to make them.

Have you watched any of the recent Godard? He's one I have to catch up with on the classic end as well, and given what you've written I imagine you'd hate the newer stuff, mostly just curious if I have a right read on that.

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2019, 09:03:18 PM »
The most recent Godard I've seen is Histoire(s) du cinéma (1999), which is truly one of the worst things ever created. I may watch Film socialisme (2010) or Goodbye to Language (2014) someday.

Just read the description of his newest film The Image Book (2018):
"Nothing but silence. Nothing but a revolutionary song. A story in five chapters like the five fingers of a hand."

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2019, 10:27:49 PM »
lol

Contribute or don't, but this kind of dismissive bullshit is weak. If you have something to say about someone else's post, then have the stones to say it.

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2019, 06:59:16 AM »
The most recent Godard I've seen is Histoire(s) du cinéma (1999), which is truly one of the worst things ever created. I may watch Film socialisme (2010) or Goodbye to Language (2014) someday.

Just read the description of his newest film The Image Book (2018):
"Nothing but silence. Nothing but a revolutionary song. A story in five chapters like the five fingers of a hand."



I guess it depends what you believe the purpose of cinema should be.
I think experimental or art cinema often has more in common with philosophy and academia than with most other mainstream art forms. Godard has mostly become a deconstructionist filmmaker, intentionally subverting traditional modes of cinema. I imagine he does not expect people to enjoy his movies but rather to study them.
That description for the image book reminds me of John Cage's 4'33'' a seminal and subversive experimental piece of musical.

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2019, 08:45:36 AM »
lol

Contribute or don't, but this kind of dismissive bullshit is weak. If you have something to say about someone else's post, then have the stones to say it.

It just made me laugh. Many of 1SO's bugaboos are represented. Although I obviously disagree and love several directors on the list, what I like about 1SO is that he puts in the work and watches as much as he can! And I think the same thing about you and your distaste for John Ford (who might be the greatest director ever so...)

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2019, 09:37:35 AM »
I was being diplomatic by staying out of it, but I didn't know how to take the first response either. It made me look back and I noticed just how many favorites by roujin (and Verite and worm@work) are among my bugaboos. (Great word.) I also noticed it's been three years since I vented about Ozu.

It's strange that my superpower seems to be that I won't give up on a director no matter how much I presently don't like their body of work. When I come across a name like Stan Brakhage (or Chantal Akerman, who just missed the cut due to my only seeing two things) I don't think "they're terrible and you're all dumb." I want to see what you see, and I can tell my open mind is narrowing as I grow older. This is why I'm doing this final massive attack on the Director sub-board.

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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2019, 11:30:22 AM »
The fact that some people on this forum love certain directors or films is why I keep going back, to try to see what I've missed.  It took me a while to find the magic in Bergman and Fanny and Alexamder.  But I found it.  Some of us are just slow.  I have to admit, I still don't get Brakhage.  It isn't that I dislike him.  I just don't get the importance or attraction.  If there is an article or something about why he's important, I'd like to figure him out.
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Re: Not My Cup of Tea: Top 5 Directors That You Just Don't Like Very Much
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2019, 09:21:37 PM »
That description for the image book reminds me of John Cage's 4'33'' a seminal and subversive experimental piece of musical.

The greatest (only good?) piece of classical music ever composed.