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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #560 on: March 03, 2010, 11:14:24 PM »
I though it was "seeded", although both make sense on the metaphor level, I suppose.

describes redundancies like "PIN number."

I've heard these referred to as recursive acronyms. Is there another term for it?

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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #561 on: March 03, 2010, 11:44:51 PM »
describes redundancies like "PIN number."

I've heard these referred to as recursive acronyms. Is there another term for it?
That's not the term I've got.

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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #562 on: March 03, 2010, 11:55:00 PM »
I thought it was deep-seeded as in deeply planted and hard to kill.
"His hate was deep-seeded."
It's that kind of logical thinking that gets people in trouble with 'tow the line', when it should be 'toe the line'.
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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #563 on: March 03, 2010, 11:59:16 PM »
always gone with the -eed- though i'm usually wrong about these things.

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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #564 on: March 04, 2010, 12:15:24 AM »
I've always used "deep-seated" though I've also doubted it before.


Also...
There's a Seinfeld episode called "The Secret Code" or something. It's about George's PIN. I always wondered if they purposely avoided using the phrase PIN number on purpose.
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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #565 on: March 04, 2010, 12:16:29 AM »
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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #566 on: March 04, 2010, 06:53:38 AM »
I've always used deep-seated but am doubting myself now.
describes redundancies like "PIN number."

Is the term specific to when this occurs with an acronym? I've heard of pleonasms which I think refers to the use of redundant words in general (e.g. close proximity) and not necessarily an acronym followed by a redundant word.
Which reminds me that I still don't quite get the difference between pleonasms and tautologies.

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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #567 on: March 04, 2010, 09:56:24 AM »
describes redundancies like "PIN number."

Is the term specific to when this occurs with an acronym? I've heard of pleonasms which I think refers to the use of redundant words in general (e.g. close proximity) and not necessarily an acronym followed by a redundant word.
Which reminds me that I still don't quite get the difference between pleonasms and tautologies.
Yes, good on you, worm. :)  Here's what I've got:

"A pleonasm consists of two concepts (usually two words) that are redundant. What does "redundant" mean? Well, how about "more than enough; overabundant; excess; and superfluous"? Still having a problem understanding what pleonasm means? Some pleonastic expressions are also known as tautologies. Tautology means, "needless repetition of an idea in a different word, phrase, or sentence; redundancy; pleonasm." What about pleonasm? It means, "the use of more words than are necessary for the expression of an idea; redundancy." So it is that we go around in circles: pleonasm means tautology, which means redundancy, which means pleonasm, which means tautology, ad infinitum."

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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #568 on: March 04, 2010, 09:59:10 AM »
I have deep-ceded fears.

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Re: Words and Grammar and Stuff
« Reply #569 on: March 04, 2010, 09:59:55 AM »
As to deep-seated vs. deep-seeded, here you go!  

 

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