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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1420 on: August 26, 2009, 12:55:32 AM »
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I think I'd love how awkward it'd be, or how awkward it should be.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1421 on: September 09, 2009, 06:19:54 PM »
When's the speech?  Top of the hour?

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1422 on: September 09, 2009, 11:21:09 PM »

"You lie!"

Rep. Joe Wilson (R-SC) later added, "This evening I let my emotions get the best of me when listening to the President's remarks regarding the coverage of illegal immigrants in the health care bill. While I disagree with the President's statement, my comments were inappropriate and regrettable. I extend sincere apologies to the President for this lack of civility."



Heh.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1423 on: September 10, 2009, 09:38:04 AM »
He's a moron, and what makes it even worse is that he had a point. Obama did slip up quite badly during parts of his speech and that is something the opposition could have jumped on, but because of his outburst nothing the opposition says will have any weight now.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1424 on: September 10, 2009, 10:18:41 AM »
The "opposition" runs on fear and emotional rhetoric - they have had nothing useful to bring to this discussion so far. Just fear mongering misinformation.
Affordable health care should be a right not luxury based on employment. The "free" market has proven that it cannot provide for the disadvantaged and those with pre-existing conditions. Now the government needs to step in and regulate/legislate how these companies will do business. Profit driven business models have no place in trying to provide health care to people - greed will always trump compassion.

If that's socialism - then serve me 2 helpings please.
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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1425 on: September 10, 2009, 10:26:43 AM »
The "opposition" runs on fear and emotional rhetoric - they have had nothing useful to bring to this discussion so far. Just fear mongering misinformation.
Affordable health care should be a right not luxury based on employment. The "free" market has proven that it cannot provide for the disadvantaged and those with pre-existing conditions. Now the government needs to step in and regulate/legislate how these companies will do business. Profit driven business models have no place in trying to provide health care to people - greed will always trump compassion.

If that's socialism - then serve me 2 helpings please.

or you can acknowledge the government has already "stepped in" by creating rules that favor businesses, rewarding them with subsidies - socialism for the rich.  oddly, it seems that the least ethical businesses benefit the most from govt subsidies
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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1426 on: September 10, 2009, 10:28:22 AM »
The Democrats run on the same principles as the Republicans do. Both operate on the assumption that they can manipulate the general population through fear, grandstanding and lies.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1427 on: September 10, 2009, 10:42:39 AM »
Profit driven business models have no place in trying to provide health care to people - greed will always trump compassion.

Do you have a problem with not-for-profit insurance companies?

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1428 on: September 10, 2009, 12:20:22 PM »
Profit driven business models have no place in trying to provide health care to people - greed will always trump compassion.

Do you have a problem with not-for-profit insurance companies?

Not as long as they insure everyone w/o prejudice regardless of pre-existing conditions or past health history AND as long as your decisions are yours and not the insurance company's.

The "opposition" runs on fear and emotional rhetoric - they have had nothing useful to bring to this discussion so far. Just fear mongering misinformation.
Affordable health care should be a right not luxury based on employment. The "free" market has proven that it cannot provide for the disadvantaged and those with pre-existing conditions. Now the government needs to step in and regulate/legislate how these companies will do business. Profit driven business models have no place in trying to provide health care to people - greed will always trump compassion.

If that's socialism - then serve me 2 helpings please.

or you can acknowledge the government has already "stepped in" by creating rules that favor businesses, rewarding them with subsidies - socialism for the rich.  oddly, it seems that the least ethical businesses benefit the most from govt subsidies

I am not talking about class warfare Jon - I am talking about health care. I could list a litany of steps previous governments have taken to protect the rich and their money and how republicans have always hid behind the rhetoric of non-growth for small businesses in the face of placing the tax burden on those with the money - but the point is that we have a leader who is taking some sort of steps in a positive direction.
The sad fact of the matter is that you will always have some sort of government intrusion in your life and you can't please all of the people all of the time but at least someone is interested in taking proactive steps towards providing health care for EVERYONE. No one is saying you are being forced to take a government option or even that you current coverage will change but for those millions who don't have coverage - there needs to be an answer. I worked in the restaurant business for years and there was nothing for me. I only went to the doctor in an extreme emergency and that's a very depressing way to live.

My biggest complaint with republican fear mongering (in this specific case Bill - your quote is very valid) is that, despite what these fools are saying, this is not the greatest health care system in the world - we rank very low among industrialized nations in life expectancy and infant mortality. Doing nothing - or catering to the insurance companies only creates more stasis and no change in the current status of health care. No one ever takes greed into account or the bottom line expectations of boards of directors - this goes beyond profit and loss and we need to treat every life as it is precious. This is not how our system currently operates.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1429 on: September 10, 2009, 06:21:54 PM »
I apologize to my American brethren on the forum, but I have come to the sad conclusion that you are incapable of having a real discussion on any large complex issue of national importance. Your political discourse is irrevocably broken I am afraid. Obviously, I am referring to the nation as a whole. There are of course many individuals still able to have a reasonable discussion. However, your national discussion is almost worthless at this point.