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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #910 on: November 04, 2008, 02:09:57 PM »
Has anyone seen the size of the bulletproof glass on Obama's stand for the gathering tonight?

They really should get an Obama stand-in.  Like that crappy Dennis Quaid move that came out this year.
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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #911 on: November 04, 2008, 02:35:46 PM »
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marty, i - unfortunately - don't think you have to worry about obama, he has been completely middle-of-the-road, getting too much buy-in from the opposition.  it might even be wrong-headed to think that obama considers "them" "the opposition", which is actually a nice way to think of it

Wow pretty cynical of you Jon - but do you have an alternative?
Or is it just complaining?
I doubt any self-respecting conservative from the Republican party considers Obama middle of the road or centrist. While I appreciate a lot of your politics it's foolish to think that anyone who even remotely has your views is a viable candidate. Now - granted - I am only taking a gauge on where you stand based on what I have read in other forums and in this thread. But considering the last (almost) 3 decades of politics (the Clintons were moderates at best) - this is the most exciting candidate to come along in a while. Instead of immediately dismissing him - keep an open mind and remember that real change always comes in small increments (excluding violent revolution of course :D)...

My point is that to keep the country going in towards the left (and it will only go so far) - you will need to create buy in from the other side. Both sides need to take the time out to humanize the other side...it's the only way.

Sorry - I was ranting again.
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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #912 on: November 04, 2008, 03:16:07 PM »
all votes are equally "thrown away".  i voted for McKinney/Clemente!!! :)

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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #913 on: November 04, 2008, 04:21:25 PM »
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marty, i - unfortunately - don't think you have to worry about obama, he has been completely middle-of-the-road, getting too much buy-in from the opposition.  it might even be wrong-headed to think that obama considers "them" "the opposition", which is actually a nice way to think of it

Wow pretty cynical of you Jon - but do you have an alternative?
Or is it just complaining?
I doubt any self-respecting conservative from the Republican party considers Obama middle of the road or centrist. While I appreciate a lot of your politics it's foolish to think that anyone who even remotely has your views is a viable candidate. Now - granted - I am only taking a gauge on where you stand based on what I have read in other forums and in this thread. But considering the last (almost) 3 decades of politics (the Clintons were moderates at best) - this is the most exciting candidate to come along in a while. Instead of immediately dismissing him - keep an open mind and remember that real change always comes in small increments (excluding violent revolution of course :D)...

My point is that to keep the country going in towards the left (and it will only go so far) - you will need to create buy in from the other side. Both sides need to take the time out to humanize the other side...it's the only way.

Sorry - I was ranting again.

i don't follow.  you think it is cynical of me to call obama middle-of-the-road?  he has defined himself this way. 

do i have an alternative to what?  to obama?  that's why i voted McKinney.  to middle-of-the-road politics?  sure, pull hard to the left as bush & co. did moving things to the right.  the population has so little will that we tend to accept whatever the powers-that-be dictate.

i didn't vote for McKinney because i thought she was "viable", i voted for her because i believe in what she stands for.  i happen not to agree with many obama positions.  further, i have been a bit disheartened witnessing obama's relaxing positions for what i imagine is political expediency.  i'm not dismissing obama, but i am being realistic about what he has stated to support, as well as how some of his positions have changed a bit over the last year.  there are also things i like about obama, and, as i wrote earlier, i am super-excited and emotional about the actuality of him becoming president.

as far as your "only way" gunk, i don't buy it :)

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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #914 on: November 04, 2008, 04:38:20 PM »

i didn't vote for McKinney because i thought she was "viable", i voted for her because i believe in what she stands for.  i happen not to agree with many obama positions. 

I see nothing wrong with voting for a candidate you believe in and you really shouldn't have to defend yourself for doing so.

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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #915 on: November 04, 2008, 05:28:48 PM »
According to Brain Schaffner of Pollster.com, the race to watch is Mitch McConnell in Kentucky. If he goes down early, it's a blowout for Dems and Obama.
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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #916 on: November 04, 2008, 06:21:45 PM »
CNN is doing some weird ob-wan hologram sh*t.
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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #917 on: November 04, 2008, 06:28:40 PM »
The spanish channels are the best places to watch because they have the same numbers but they have a much more fun style of speech. I can pick out certain words and it's fun to hear really clear state names in all the garble.
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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #918 on: November 04, 2008, 06:47:59 PM »
I'll be disappointed when the Philly Suburbs are no longer the center of the political universe :-\

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Re: US Elections 2008 Edition
« Reply #919 on: November 04, 2008, 07:17:22 PM »
Am I the only one who doesn't like that they call states when there is only about 3% of the votes in?  Also, different networks are calling states at different times.  Ugh.
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