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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1350 on: August 19, 2009, 12:51:22 PM »
Here's the main point. Hitler=Bad. Health Care=Good. Heath Care≠Hitler.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1351 on: August 19, 2009, 12:52:27 PM »



I don't really care whether you find it or not, he said it, and has said stuff just as stupid and worse than Beck. But, don't let me stop you from your liberal trolling, long live the liberal agenda after all.


Are you serious?

Yes, ignoring any and all slights against the liberal system to propagate the idea that somehow the conservative system is a million times worse is liberal trolling. Beck is a moron, so is Moore, once you come to grips with this you will be on the path to true objectivity.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1352 on: August 19, 2009, 12:53:42 PM »
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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1353 on: August 19, 2009, 12:53:57 PM »
FOOKING CANADIANS

I know you say things like this out of love, not anger.


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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1354 on: August 19, 2009, 12:55:41 PM »
FOOKING CANADIANS

I know you say things like this out of love, not anger.


USA! USA! USA!

To quote Ringo, "peace and love. peace and love"

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1355 on: August 19, 2009, 12:57:02 PM »
Which is fine, if I were talking about Health Care. I just mean in general. They are both, more or less businesses. A government just has more means to assure that their business interests thrive.
Not exactly, FLY. In one sense you're right, since the 1980s public sectors in most Western countries have taken steps to operate in a more "businesslike" fashion in an effort to achieve a greater degree of efficiency (eg: New Public Management in Thatcher's UK, Osborne and Gaebler in the USA); essentially the whole "doing more with less" thing. With that said however, there are fundamental differences between what is expected from a public organizations as opposed to a private one. The mandate and goals of a public organization are more varied, complex, and at times contradictory, while private organizations are chiefly responsibility to its shareholders.

You're right that both require a degree of financial health, but how that financial health is assessed very much varies from public to private. Furthermore, and specifically related to your statement, a public organization can and does engage in activities where no clear profit is generated, activties that private company would enter into or would do so in a much different manner. So to say that public and private organizations are more or less businesses really ignores how different they are and the complexity of it all.

So when there is debate about something like health care, what the debate is really about is what is the best model for service delivery. And "best" is defined by how views about the market and the state are valued, a private model provides a degree of care relative to what the user can pay, while a public system assures a good baseline level for all. What's lost with the public system is market efficiency, but what's gained is greater equity, therefore there is a crucial difference between the private and public.      
Quit talkin' sense matt. Don't you know this is politics! :) (Well said, btw)

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1356 on: August 19, 2009, 12:58:30 PM »
Matt, that's why you provide a 2-tier system.
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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1357 on: August 19, 2009, 12:58:34 PM »



I don't really care whether you find it or not, he said it, and has said stuff just as stupid and worse than Beck. But, don't let me stop you from your liberal trolling, long live the liberal agenda after all.


Are you serious?

Yes, ignoring any and all slights against the liberal system to propagate the idea that somehow the conservative system is a million times worse is liberal trolling. Beck is a moron, so is Moore, once you come to grips with this you will be on the path to true objectivity.

Um, I said in my first post that Moore has been guilty of stretching the truth and hyperbole. However, its is beyond hilarious that you accuse me of trolling when I am using facts. Your main argument is that Moore said something he did not say. Sorry but I am not the one trolling.

For the record I am not a liberal, I have never voted liberal. I am an NDP member (sort of like voting for Ralph Nader in the US) and have been for 15 years.

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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1358 on: August 19, 2009, 01:01:48 PM »



I don't really care whether you find it or not, he said it, and has said stuff just as stupid and worse than Beck. But, don't let me stop you from your liberal trolling, long live the liberal agenda after all.


Are you serious?

Yes, ignoring any and all slights against the liberal system to propagate the idea that somehow the conservative system is a million times worse is liberal trolling. Beck is a moron, so is Moore, once you come to grips with this you will be on the path to true objectivity.

Um, I said in my first post that Moore has been guilty of stretching the truth and hyperbole. However, its is beyond hilarious that you accuse me of trolling when I am using facts. Your main argument is that Moore said something he did not say. Sorry but I am not the one trolling.

For the record I am not a liberal, I have never voted liberal. I am an NDP member (sort of like voting for Ralph Nader in the US) and have been for 15 years.

I'm pretty sure what the NDP stands for in their platforms would be considered very liberal by American standards.
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Re: US Politics (and Transition)
« Reply #1359 on: August 19, 2009, 01:02:53 PM »



I don't really care whether you find it or not, he said it, and has said stuff just as stupid and worse than Beck. But, don't let me stop you from your liberal trolling, long live the liberal agenda after all.


Are you serious?

Yes, ignoring any and all slights against the liberal system to propagate the idea that somehow the conservative system is a million times worse is liberal trolling. Beck is a moron, so is Moore, once you come to grips with this you will be on the path to true objectivity.

Um, I said in my first post that Moore has been guilty of stretching the truth and hyperbole. However, its is beyond hilarious that you accuse me of trolling when I am using facts. Your main argument is that Moore said something he did not say. Sorry but I am not the one trolling.

For the record I am not a liberal, I have never voted liberal. I am an NDP member (sort of like voting for Ralph Nader in the US) and have been for 15 years.

The NDP are not like Nader. And the NDP ARE liberal. They just aren't Liberal. In fact, they are much more liberal than the Liberals.
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