Author Topic: Alternative Voting Filmspots 2007 - Cast your Official Unofficial Ballot NOW  (Read 12609 times)

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Thanks to Basil and Pixote for doing all the organizing of the nominating round and Official Ballot.  I thought I'd wait to do this until all the official ballots were cast so as not to risk confusion.  For the Alternative Voting Filmspots Official UNOFFICIAL Ballots are due Monday, February 18th,  8 PM EST, when the Totally Official Filmspot winners will be announced - please PM me your ballot ASAP.

The way we typically vote and tabulate - simple plurality voting, like we are doing with the Filmspots - is arguably not the best way to measure a group's preference.  I am curious to see how the results would come out if we were to use another voting system - weighted preference voting.  Chances are we won't have all the same voters, or nearly as many, but that doesn't make it less interesting to me :)

You all know how this works, a quick comparison with pizza:

You and four friends are ordering a pizza, you are trying to decide what to order.  How do you decide?:

Simple Plurality:
Pat - Pepperoni
Chris - Sausage
Alex - Mushroom
Drew - Mushroom
You - Cheese

So you order a mushroom pizza even though 3 of 5 hate mushrooms.  In reality, that's not going to happen unless you have two asshole friends that like mushrooms.  This voting system ignores the reality of other people's preferences in making a decision that must be lived with by the entire group.  Alternatively, there is

Weighted Preference Voting:
Pat - Pepperoni 10, Sausage 8, Mushroom 0, Cheese 6
Chris - Pepperoni 8, Sausage 10, Mushroom 0, Cheese 6
Alex - Pepperoni 0, Sausage 0, Mushroom 10, Cheese 8
Drew - Pepperoni 0, Sausage 0, Mushroom 10, Cheese 8
You - Pepperoni 0, Sausage 0, Mushroom 0, Cheese 10

Now, everyone will eat some pizza :)

So, for this Alternative Voting Official UNOFFICIAL Filmspot ballot, rank each of the nominees in each category on a scale of 0-10.  0 is negative, 10 is positive.  If you have not seen a nominee, you can do one of three things: leave that section blank, put an "x" there, or strike the nominee.  Example:

Best Picture
 9    Atonement
  6   Juno
   7  No Country for Old Men
    6 Ratatouille
    7 There Will Be Blood
     Zodiac


Thanks for you participation, and once again thanks to Basil and Pixote (hopefully you don't think I'm stepping on your toes (if you even have toes)) - have fun :) (I did when I filled out my ballot)




Alternative Voting Filmspots 2007 — The Official Nominees of the Unofficial Ballot

Best Picture
     Atonement
     Juno
     No Country for Old Men
     Ratatouille
     There Will Be Blood
     Zodiac

Best Director
     Paul Thomas Anderson, There Will Be Blood
     Joel and Ethan Coen, No Country for Old Men
     David Fincher, Zodiac
     Paul Greengrass, The Bourne Ultimatum
     Joe Wright, Atonement

Best Actor in a Leading Role
     Casey Affleck, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
     Christian Bale, Rescue Dawn
     Daniel Day-Lewis, There Will Be Blood
     Viggo Mortensen, Eastern Promises
     Gordon Pinsent, Away from Her

Best Actress in a Leading Role
     Amy Adams, Enchanted
     Julie Christie, Away from Her
     Marion Cotillard, La Vie en Rose
     Ellen Page, Juno
     Keri Russell, Waitress
     Naomi Watts, Eastern Promises

Best Actor in a Supporting Role
     Javier Bardem, No Country for Old Men
     Ben Foster, 3:10 to Yuma
     Irfan Khan, The Namesake
     Paul Rudd, Knocked Up
     Kurt Russell, Grindhouse

Best Actress in a Supporting Role
     Cate Blanchett, I'm Not There
     Kelly Macdonald, No Country for Old Men
     Amy Ryan, Gone Baby Gone
     Tilda Swinton, Michael Clayton
     Tabu, The Namesake

Best Ensemble Cast
     Grindhouse
     I’m Not There
     Juno
     No Country for Old Men
     Zodiac

Best Original Screenplay
     Brad Bird, Ratatouille
     Diablo Cody, Juno
     Alex Garland, Sunshine
     Todd Haynes and Oren Moverman, I'm Not There
     Paul Laverty, The Wind That Shakes the Barley
     Adrienne Shelly, Waitress

Best Adapted Screenplay
     Paul Thomas Anderson, There Will Be Blood
     Joel and Ethan Coen, No Country for Old Men
     Christopher Hampton, Atonement
     Ronald Harwood, The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
     James Vanderbilt, Zodiac

Best Editing
     Joel & Ethan Coen, No Country for Old Men
     Chris Dickens, Hot Fuzz
     Sally Menke, Ethan Maniquis, & Robert Rodriguez, Grindhouse
     Jay Rabinowitz, I'm Not There
     Christopher Rouse, The Bourne Ultimatum

Best Cinematography
     Roger Deakins, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
     Roger Deakins, No Country for Old Men
     Robert Elswit, There Will Be Blood
     Seamus McGarvey, Atonement
     Harris Savides, Zodiac

Best Non-English Language Film
     The Diving Bell and the Butterfly
     The Lives of Others
     Lust, Caution
     Offside
     Paris, Je T'aime
     La Vie en Rose

Best Documentary
     Helvetica
     In the Shadow of the Moon
     The King of Kong
     No End in Sight
     Sicko

Best Animated Film
     Paprika
     Persepolis
     Ratatouille
     The Simpsons Movie

Best Score
     Nick Cave & Warren Ellis, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
     Jonny Greenwood, There Will Be Blood
     Dario Marianelli, Atonement
     John Murphy & Underworld, Sunshine
     Howard Shore, Eastern Promises

Best Soundtrack
     Black Snake Moan
     The Darjeeling Limited
     Grindhouse
     Juno
     Once

Best Costumes
     Colleen Atwood, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
     Alexandra Byrne, Elizabeth: The Golden Age
     Jacqueline Durran, Atonement
     Patricia Norris, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
     Gersha Phillips, Talk to Me

Best Art Direction
     Ian Bailie, Nick Gottschalk, & Niall Moroney, Atonement
     David Crank, There Will Be Blood
     Keith P. Cunningham, Zodiac
     Gary Freeman, Stephen Morahan, & Denis Schnegg, Sunshine
     Aradhana Seth & Adam Stockhausen, The Darjeeling Limited   

Best Sound Editing
     Ethan Andrus, Christopher Assells, & Paula Fairfield, Grindhouse
     Christopher Assells, Karen M. Baker, & Bob Beemer, The Bourne Ultimatum
     Craig Berkey, No Country for Old Men
     Benjamin Cheah & Robert Jackson, I'm Not There
     Paul Hamblin, Danny Hambrook, & Catherine Hodgson, Atonement
       
Best Makeup
     Nicola Buck, Paula Price, & Lesley Smith, The Golden Compass
     Nana Fischer & Peter Owen, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street
     Tysuela Hill-Scott, Grindhouse   
     Danielle Lyn Saunders, Rescue Dawn
     Christien Tinsley, No Country for Old Men
     Jenny Weight, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Best Visual Effects
     Chrysta Marie Burton, John Frazier, & James D. Schwalm, Transformers
     Richard Conway, Sunshine
     Stephen Gilbert, 300
     Allen Hall, Mark Hawker, & Jamie J. Silverman, Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
     John Richardson, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

Kick-Ass Scene
     Waterloo Station, The Bourne Ultimatum
     Bathhouse Fight, Eastern Promises
     Beating Up Mike (Final Scene), Grindhouse
     Head-On Collision, Grindhouse
     Dog Chase in River, No Country for Old Men
     Anton Ego Returns to Childhood, Ratatouille
     Oil Fire, There Will Be Blood

Best Trailer
     American Gangster
     Cloverfield
     The Dark Knight
     Grindhouse
     There Will Be Blood

Best Villain
     Stuntman Mike (Kurt Russell), Grindhouse
     Dolores Umbridge (Imelda Staunton), Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
     Anton Chigurh (Javier Bardem), No Country for Old Men
     Daniel Plainview (Daniel Day-Lewis), There Will Be Blood
     The Zodiac (Richmond Arquette, Bob Stephenson, & John Lacy), Zodiac

Surprising Performance
     Amy Adams, Enchanted
     Casey Affleck, The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
     Chris Evans, Sunshine
     Jennifer Garner, Juno
     Keri Russell, Waitress
     Molly Shannon, Year of the Dog

Surprising Film
     Enchanted
     The Namesake
     Once
     This is England
     Superbad

Best Line
     "Because if that was true we’d be having this conversation face to face." (The Bourne Ultimatum)
     "Juno MacGuff:  'Cause you're, like, the coolest person I've ever met, and you don't even have to try, you know… Paulie Bleeker: I try really hard, actually."  (Juno)
     "There are five different types of chairs in this hotel room." (Knocked Up)
     "Spider-Pig...Spider-Pig…" (The Simpsons Movie)
     "I drink your milkshake! I drink it up! … I’m finished." (There Will Be Blood)

Worst Film
     300
     Epic Movie
     Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End
     Spider-Man 3
     Transformers

Debut or Breakthrough Feature
     Away from Her (Sarah Polley)
     Gone Baby Gone  (Ben Affleck)
     The Lives of Others (Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck)
     Once (John Carney)
     Waitress (Adrienne Shelly)   

Breakthrough
     Josh Brolin (Performer), Grindhouse & No Country for Old Men
     Michael Cera (Performer), Juno & Superbad
     Jonny Greenwood (Composer), There Will Be Blood
     Emile Hirsch (Performer), Into the Wild
     Ellen Page (Performer), Juno
     Paul Rudd (Performer),  Knocked Up
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Is is O.K. for example, that I would give Juno a 6 for best picture, but a 10 for ensemble cast? Does the fact that certain categories are nominated more matter?
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Nah, just vote intuitively - think about the generic 0-10 scale.  it would make sense that a different question would prompt a different reaction.

When I filled out my ballot, I thought it was easier in some cases.  Where in the official ballot I was torn between two or three choices, here I could give them each the same high marks.
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I'm still not clear (I got in late last night). So is it OK to give movies different marks in different categories or does each film only get one mark?
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sorry, i previously responded only to your seconf question and not your first.

give them different marks.  go through each category and vote on the nominee according to how it fills the idea of the category.  so, as you illustrate - you thought Juno is a 6 as a Best Picture nominee; but a 10 for its Ensemble Cast - makes total sense.
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simple plurality voting, like we are doing with the Filmspots

This is incorrect.

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simple plurality voting, like we are doing with the Filmspots

This is incorrect.

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sorry - you are averaging.  right?  slightly more representative than simple plurality though not as representative as weighted preference.
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The part of this system that scares me (and one of the reasons we didn't use it for the Filmspots) is that casting a ballot becomes equivalent to making a wager in Final Jeopardy.  Let's say the race for Best Picture comes down to our two ballots, and Atonement and No Country for Old Men are tied for first.  And let's say that I think No Country is an A+ film and Atonement a C-, but you're practically the opposite, thinking Atonement is an A+ film and No Country is a C+.  I fill out my ballot honestly, giving No Country a 10 an Atonement a 4.  But you, feeling the need to act as a corrective to how overrated you perceive the Coen Brothers to be, give No Country a 0 on your ballot and Atonement a 10.  As a result, Atonement wins Best Picture, even though in truth the group preference was for No Country.  But you were able to game the system and, in a sense, disenfranchise me.

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The part of this system that scares me (and one of the reasons we didn't use it for the Filmspots) is that casting a ballot becomes equivalent to making a wager in Final Jeopardy.  Let's say the race for Best Picture comes down to our two ballots, and Atonement and No Country for Old Men are tied for first.  And let's say that I think No Country is an A+ film and Atonement a C-, but you're practically the opposite, thinking Atonement is an A+ film and No Country is a C+.  I fill out my ballot honestly, giving No Country a 10 an Atonement a 4.  But you, feeling the need to act as a corrective to how overrated you perceive the Coen Brothers to be, give No Country a 0 on your ballot and Atonement a 10.  As a result, Atonement wins Best Picture, even though in truth the group preference was for No Country.  But you were able to game the system and, in a sense, disenfranchise me.

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Which is why it works better for intellectual curiosity than as the chosen system. Not that every voting system doesn't have built in cheats, it's just hard to argue against simplicity.
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