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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2008, 03:30:31 AM »
Kevin Smith is a terrible writer and director.

That's an unpopular opinion?

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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2008, 07:10:06 AM »
Judd Apatow is over-rated, not to mention a sexist. 
That's true.

I'd like to hear how he's sexist... His films are about 20-something bachelors, who obviously are going to objectify women.
My existence (along with countless others) refutes this statement. Please say you see the inherent problem with it.

I see what you're saying, but as a counterargument it doesn't hold up. I, for one, am probably more like you.. one who doesn't talk about my genetalia whenever the chance arises, degrade women on a regular basis, and watches porn at all times in the day... with that said, I think there are people out there like the characters in this film. In fact, I know 2 that live in the apartment above me.. they're both 25.. they play "Rock Band" all day and talk about women in the same fashion. The last time I had a few beers with them, I swear I was in a Apatow comedy. Just because you are different from the characters in these films, doesn't mean they don't reflect real life people. And besides, you totally dismissed my argument on how Apatow is not asking us to emulate and/or sympathize with these characters.. we're supposed to be offended by the raunchiness of Romany Malco's misguided teachings of the "taming" the other sex. I think we're being too hard on Mr. Apatow.. who, with a wife and two girls, probably has great respect and admiration for the women in his life.

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« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2008, 07:16:28 AM »
The Star Wars prequels were good, except for Ep. 1, which is just okay.

I would agree; however, I would argue that Episode 1 was the strongest of the bunch, because it's the only one of the three that felt like a true Star Wars film. The pacing of the film and the story whipped up a gust of nostalgia in me. So much so, that I saw it 4 times in the theater... Honestly, I think Episode II is just complete garbage... by far the worst in the series.

Most of the kids/family films of the last 15 years or so are garbage.
Just because a movie is trying to be fun does NOT make it good. (Transformers, Pirates, Live Free or Die Hard)

I don't think these are unpopular movie opinions... well, at least not in these forums.  ;D

Zodiac was mediocre

Oh, damn you.  :P
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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2008, 08:32:48 AM »
Judd Apatow is over-rated, not to mention a sexist. 
That's true.

I'd like to hear how he's sexist... His films are about 20-something bachelors, who obviously are going to objectify women.
My existence (along with countless others) refutes this statement. Please say you see the inherent problem with it.

I see what you're saying, but as a counterargument it doesn't hold up. I, for one, am probably more like you.. one who doesn't talk about my genetalia whenever the chance arises, degrade women on a regular basis, and watches porn at all times in the day... with that said, I think there are people out there like the characters in this film. In fact, I know 2 that live in the apartment above me.. they're both 25.. they play "Rock Band" all day and talk about women in the same fashion. The last time I had a few beers with them, I swear I was in a Apatow comedy. Just because you are different from the characters in these films, doesn't mean they don't reflect real life people. And besides, you totally dismissed my argument on how Apatow is not asking us to emulate and/or sympathize with these characters.. we're supposed to be offended by the raunchiness of Romany Malco's misguided teachings of the "taming" the other sex. I think we're being too hard on Mr. Apatow.. who, with a wife and two girls, probably has great respect and admiration for the women in his life.

Solid Blake, can you name one movie in which a truly HOT, upwardly mobile, climbing the ladder quickly guy unintentionally impregnates a homely, overweight, slightly obnoxious yet underneath-it-all sweet woman and sees her through the pregnancy and even hangs around to help rear their "love child"? 
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Re: Unpopular Movie Opinions
« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2008, 08:52:20 AM »
Kevin Smith is a terrible writer and director.
I love Signs.

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I hate Juno
Zodiac was mediocre

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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2008, 08:59:43 AM »
Solid Blake, can you name one movie in which a truly HOT, upwardly mobile, climbing the ladder quickly guy unintentionally impregnates a homely, overweight, slightly obnoxious yet underneath-it-all sweet woman and sees her through the pregnancy and even hangs around to help rear their "love child"? 

Saltine, I see what you're trying to say.. but I think you're presenting a straw man argument. Just because Apatow hasn't made a film about empowered women instantly makes him a sexist film-maker? Do we live in a sexist society that condones such behavior in his films? Yes. Nevertheless, I think your example needs some rethinking.. both examples display a "life-boat ideology" (by that, I mean each character... no matter what their gender/race/cultural background is... has already been defined with more "worth," thus securing their place on the lifeboat.. whilst others have to prove themselves to avoid being thrown overboard.)... and if we are to strive for gender equality, we can't think in those terms in the first place. Believe me, I'm all for it.. I live with a very empowered feminist, who I've been with for 3 years now. I've dealt with gender issues when I was a leader of Student for Social Justice (SSJ) for four years. I understand the hills we have to climb;however, I don't think it starts with nit-picking at fictional characters we're supposed to be laughing at, and not with.

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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2008, 09:39:22 AM »
People who enjoy Apatow are not necessarily sexist so I'm not painting with a broad brush here and I'm not imputing your intent as sexist.  I don't believe that's true at all.  I'm simply saying that his film presents a situation which only works with an audience because it re-enforces ideas which are prevalent in our society concerning the status of men and women in relationships.  I think films aren't only a reflection of society, but have an effect of sanctioning behaviors that don't serve the greater good.  I want to laugh at funny stuff on film too, but Apatow is funny at a price and I'm not willing to pay that price.  It irks me that Apatow is the "voice" of the coming generation of men.  (Apatow himself may be a lovely man, but the men he presents on screen aren't.)       
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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2008, 09:46:48 AM »
Worst examples of sexism? UK TV commercials, and I suspect American commercials (to a lesser extent). Appalling adverts such as the following: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdtjvAUnnfg


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« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2008, 10:18:12 AM »
Judd Apatow is over-rated, not to mention a sexist. 
That's true.

I'd like to hear how he's sexist... His films are about 20-something bachelors, who obviously are going to objectify women.
My existence (along with countless others) refutes this statement. Please say you see the inherent problem with it.

I see what you're saying, but as a counterargument it doesn't hold up. I, for one, am probably more like you.. one who doesn't talk about my genetalia whenever the chance arises, degrade women on a regular basis, and watches porn at all times in the day... with that said, I think there are people out there like the characters in this film. In fact, I know 2 that live in the apartment above me.. they're both 25.. they play "Rock Band" all day and talk about women in the same fashion. The last time I had a few beers with them, I swear I was in a Apatow comedy. Just because you are different from the characters in these films, doesn't mean they don't reflect real life people. And besides, you totally dismissed my argument on how Apatow is not asking us to emulate and/or sympathize with these characters.. we're supposed to be offended by the raunchiness of Romany Malco's misguided teachings of the "taming" the other sex. I think we're being too hard on Mr. Apatow.. who, with a wife and two girls, probably has great respect and admiration for the women in his life.
You can't validate the stereotype that you are using to defend the film by pointing to a regular occurrence of the real-life analogue. It's not to say that those people don't exist, but their existence doesn't make their regressive depiction ok, especially when they're handled so positively.

Also, having a wife and two girls doesn't say anything about how he thinks. That said, in his directed films, he is not the worst offender out there, probably by far. I'll reiterate what I said earlier, he seems much worse when you see the things he's attached to that he didn't direct.

Just as an example though, a number of critics have pointed out that you would have never ever seen Knocked Up with the female and her female friends in the same roles as the main character and his friends, as less than likable losers getting the sexy male mate. The fact that it all but certainly doesn't work with is pretty clear to me. It's not an uncommon trope for what people are calling the "nerd fantasy".
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Re: Unpopular Movie Opinions
« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2008, 10:30:52 AM »
I agree with both sentiments but figure I'd be stoned if I touched either film.

Don't hold back. I bet you're itching to drop a major bomb.  :)
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