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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3220 on: June 14, 2010, 11:21:23 PM »
The problem with Star Wars video games has always been that in order to make a game that is compelling and fun to play the continuity of the Star Wars universe must be broken. Therefore, the games often feature characters way more powerful than any of the Jedi in the movies because they are more fun to play in a video game setting. It's ridiculous in the context of the overall universe.

So I've always approached the games from that perspective.

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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3221 on: June 15, 2010, 12:01:39 AM »
The misinformed notion that emotion has any bearing when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art is a misinformed notion

Emotion is life. Deal with it. And if you haven't any, sorry mate. I feel bad for you. Respond if you like, but my end of the conversation is now over.
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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3222 on: June 15, 2010, 12:13:13 AM »
The misinformed notion that emotion has any bearing when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art.

I cannot even conceive of how that makes sense.

It's all personal, emotion cannot be accurately conveyed from one individual to another because our experiences all cause us to perceive the world, and emotions, in completely different manners. What makes you sad may make me happy. What makes you laugh may make me cry. When discussing themes and larger ideas that any art form tackles we have concrete examples that produce meaningful discussion applicable to our understanding as a whole. I like a scene in a film because the cinematography is good is completely subjective no matter what evidence I try to present. The final scene in Let the Right One In is heartbreaking because it suggests that Eli is just using Oscar as it has previous keepers in the past may be a singular interpretation that can be debated, but I can provide evidence to discuss why I feel this is the case and, by extension, what this interpretation can yield when examining what the film has to say about growing up, romance, friendship, and deceit. From there I can, theoretically, continue to see how these aspects all connect to the human condition. A film that hinges entirely on eliciting an emotional response, whether it be laughter, sadness, excitement, terror, or anything else, from an audience without an equal or heavier emphasis on the thematic depth of the story is near worthless. A film that is, first and foremost, concerned with specific larger ideas and concepts can elicit an emotional response, but all that does is help tell me if I as an individual enjoyed a film, an aspect that has no bearing on communicating with other people. I can say, as eloquently as possible, why I love Demi Lovato's music, but no matter what I say another person may not, and likely cannot, truly understand what I am saying. He just doesn't like it. And we are right where we started. Now if we talk about her use of language in "Everything You're Not" and why it does or does not work, then we start making progress. Emotions are nice, but they have no room in meaningful discussion as far as I'm concerned.

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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3223 on: June 15, 2010, 12:16:08 AM »
Bottles of honey that get all sticky on the outside even though I'm really careful with them.

Or, possibly, roommates who aren't careful with the bottle of honey.

I'll say both.

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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3224 on: June 15, 2010, 12:43:13 AM »
Twitter going down when stuff is happening on the West Coast. I've really come to rely on Twitter for instant instant instant news. It makes all of my other news sources, which will summarize and then analyze what happened, look poky and redundant. But when it goes down. Oh. How am I supposed to know what is happening around the world at every every every moment?

The misinformed notion that emotion has any bearing when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art.

I cannot even conceive of how that makes sense.

It's all personal, emotion cannot be accurately conveyed from one individual to another because our experiences all cause us to perceive the world, and emotions, in completely different manners. What makes you sad may make me happy. What makes you laugh may make me cry. When discussing themes and larger ideas that any art form tackles we have concrete examples that produce meaningful discussion applicable to our understanding as a whole. I like a scene in a film because the cinematography is good is completely subjective no matter what evidence I try to present. The final scene in Let the Right One In is heartbreaking because it suggests that Eli is just using Oscar as it has previous keepers in the past may be a singular interpretation that can be debated, but I can provide evidence to discuss why I feel this is the case and, by extension, what this interpretation can yield when examining what the film has to say about growing up, romance, friendship, and deceit. From there I can, theoretically, continue to see how these aspects all connect to the human condition. A film that hinges entirely on eliciting an emotional response, whether it be laughter, sadness, excitement, terror, or anything else, from an audience without an equal or heavier emphasis on the thematic depth of the story is near worthless. A film that is, first and foremost, concerned with specific larger ideas and concepts can elicit an emotional response, but all that does is help tell me if I as an individual enjoyed a film, an aspect that has no bearing on communicating with other people. I can say, as eloquently as possible, why I love Demi Lovato's music, but no matter what I say another person may not, and likely cannot, truly understand what I am saying. He just doesn't like it. And we are right where we started. Now if we talk about her use of language in "Everything You're Not" and why it does or does not work, then we start making progress. Emotions are nice, but they have no room in meaningful discussion as far as I'm concerned.

Hmm. I can see how this perspective would be frustrating. For my part, I like to celebrate when someone has a subjective emotional response similar to my own, and, if that response is in some way cathartic or pleasurable, praise the skill that went into evoking that response in me. It means I'm on the same wavelength with that person, and that's what most friendships are based on.

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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3225 on: June 15, 2010, 12:47:46 AM »
The misinformed notion that emotion has any bearing when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art.

I cannot even conceive of how that makes sense.

It's all personal, emotion cannot be accurately conveyed from one individual to another because our experiences all cause us to perceive the world, and emotions, in completely different manners. What makes you sad may make me happy. What makes you laugh may make me cry. When discussing themes and larger ideas that any art form tackles we have concrete examples that produce meaningful discussion applicable to our understanding as a whole. I like a scene in a film because the cinematography is good is completely subjective no matter what evidence I try to present. The final scene in Let the Right One In is heartbreaking because it suggests that Eli is just using Oscar as it has previous keepers in the past may be a singular interpretation that can be debated, but I can provide evidence to discuss why I feel this is the case and, by extension, what this interpretation can yield when examining what the film has to say about growing up, romance, friendship, and deceit. From there I can, theoretically, continue to see how these aspects all connect to the human condition. A film that hinges entirely on eliciting an emotional response, whether it be laughter, sadness, excitement, terror, or anything else, from an audience without an equal or heavier emphasis on the thematic depth of the story is near worthless. A film that is, first and foremost, concerned with specific larger ideas and concepts can elicit an emotional response, but all that does is help tell me if I as an individual enjoyed a film, an aspect that has no bearing on communicating with other people. I can say, as eloquently as possible, why I love Demi Lovato's music, but no matter what I say another person may not, and likely cannot, truly understand what I am saying. He just doesn't like it. And we are right where we started. Now if we talk about her use of language in "Everything You're Not" and why it does or does not work, then we start making progress. Emotions are nice, but they have no room in meaningful discussion as far as I'm concerned.

But declared "misinformed notion that emotion has any bearing when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art."  Not that the films has to "hinges entirely on eliciting an emotional response"  is worthless (when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art)

But you also stated above that cinematography is also completely subjective, is it safe to say then it is a misinformed notion that cinematography has any bearing when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art

And then it is safe to say that any subjective area has no bearing "when discussing the quality, purpose, and success of art."

Maybe I am making a mistake to go down this path.  I tend to hate "emotional films" though I tend to love films that generate an emotional response in me which is more how I judge them but I rarely think I can discuss most films on an artistic merit.
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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3226 on: June 15, 2010, 12:48:07 AM »
Bottles of honey that get all sticky on the outside even though I'm really careful with them.
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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3227 on: June 18, 2010, 01:38:14 AM »
When a 404 eats a lengthy post.
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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3228 on: June 18, 2010, 01:38:57 AM »
When a 404 eats a lengthy post.

ugh.  Yeah I've taken to copying to notepad before I post if it's anything of substance...
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Re: Pet Peeves
« Reply #3229 on: June 18, 2010, 01:41:23 AM »
When a 404 eats a lengthy post.

ugh.  Yeah I've taken to copying to notepad before I post if it's anything of substance...

This, although Firefox does tend to remember what's up.