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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #520 on: March 23, 2009, 01:24:13 PM »
The Killer is hilariously sappy. Stick to Hard-Boiled;)

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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #521 on: March 24, 2009, 04:29:24 PM »

Alan and Eric Between Hello and Goodbye (Peter Chan, 1991)

Alan and Eric were best friends in their boyhoods, practically inseparable until Eric moved away with his dad to the US. Years later, Eric moves back to Hong Kong to become reacquainted with Alan. Together, they go into business by opening a chicken farm.


Meanwhile, Eric meets a woman named Olive and they hit it off, despite her being way out of his league (sorry, am I judging?). As you might guess, things complicate (as they often do) when Alan and Olive fall for each other.

This is the directorial debut of Peter Chan, who also directed Comrades, Almost a Love Story, a movie I watched earlier in this bracket and loved. This movie has a lot of superficial similarities to Comrades, but nothing ever seemed to work as well here. Even the cast, featuring the spectacular Maggie Cheung, was unspectacular.


The story is very predictable and bland, and there were parts that were not handled well. Most notably, things were going great between Alan and Olive until he has a sudden rise to fame that consumes all of his time (apparently you can become a music idol with renditions of Moon River and My Sharona). This leads to a shift wherein Olive starts spending more time with Eric, all of which is communicated, obviously, through a musical montage. It feels like a very contrived way to create distance between the characters, and the subject of fame vs. personal happiness that it sorta deals with is really outside the scope of the movie.


There are some nice moments in it, but that's about all I can say for it.



Art Museum by the Zoo (Jeong-hyang Lee, 1998)

Chul-su returns home on leave from the army and settles himself back into his girlfriends apartment. The only problem is his girlfriend has moved out while he was away, and the new resident, Chun-Hi, is less than thrilled with his presence. Unable to get in touch with his girlfriend, and with nowhere else to go, he decides to stay. And I mean without permission. Miraculously, instead of calling the cops, Chun-Hi eventually consents to an arrangement they come to.


Art Museum by the Zoo is a romantic comedy, and it's basic premise is the same as a thousand other Hollywood rom-coms. Luckily it has a slightly unique take on things that make it at least a little better than the average, and two really strong leads that make it fun to watch. Eun-ha Shim as the female lead is particularly great in her role, and there is a great chemistry between her and Sung-jae Lee, who is less likable but gives a strong performance as well.


Chun-Hi is in love with a man that doesn't know she exists, and Chul-su finds out his girlfriend is engaged to somebody else. Now living together, and both somewhat miserable from their relationship failures, Chun-Hi and Chul-su begin to form an unusual friendship. They are very different from each other and often don't get along, but eventually begin to bond in their own way.

Chun-Hi is also an aspiring writer, and is working on a screenplay for a competition. Chul-su begins collaborating with her on a new draft of the script; a romance movie with characters they base on their own unattainable loves, and which reflects parts of their own situations. Parts of this script are included as a movie-within-a-movie. Sometimes it feels really unnecessary, but other times it works.


It's really the strength of the cast that made me like this movie, and although it does some interesting things with the characters and how their relationships are presented, it never quite breaks through into greatness.



Verdict

As you can probably tell, Alan and Eric didn't do much for me, while Art Museum by the Zoo, while not an outstanding movie, was a very enjoyable watch.

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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #522 on: March 24, 2009, 04:34:26 PM »
Nice verdict as usual, Melvil. I remember I was considering asking for Alan and Eric for a matchup and for some reason, the whole premise sounded so promising to me. I think I was hoping it'd be like this amazing friendship tale or something. Doesn't sound like it unfortunately :p.

Btw, I really like the first screenshot you used for Art Museum.

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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #523 on: March 24, 2009, 06:24:11 PM »
Thanks, worm! I can't be too hard on Alan and Eric, because it is a really sweet story. I just thought it was too obvious in its execution to be very effective, and a couple of flaws throughout really held it back for me.

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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #524 on: March 24, 2009, 08:11:43 PM »
You just kicked out a movie with Maggie Cheung. Art Museum by the Zoo better be darn good.


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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #525 on: March 24, 2009, 08:51:59 PM »
Not the strongest two films I guess, but I'll be interested to see where Art Museum goes from here. Nice writeup melvil :)

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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #526 on: March 24, 2009, 09:14:27 PM »
Thanks, smirnoff!

You just kicked out a movie with Maggie Cheung. Art Museum by the Zoo better be darn good.


You know what, I kicked out a movie with Maggie Cheung as well so fûck me.

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She was often fun to watch in this movie, but I think I'll blame the direction for her performance not being stronger.

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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #527 on: March 25, 2009, 03:02:20 AM »
As you can probably tell, Alan and Eric didn't do much for me, while Art Museum by the Zoo, while not an outstanding movie, was a very enjoyable watch.

I guess I can't judge things by titles.  Alan and Eric Between Hello and Goodbye sounded so can't miss, whereas the title of the other film, with its implications about the zoo's proximity to the art museum, didn't sound that promising at all.  And yet your verdict totally convinced me how appealing Art Museum by the Zoo might be, maybe even moreso than you intended.

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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #528 on: March 26, 2009, 02:07:46 AM »
The General's Son (Kwon-taek Im, 1990)

Like I mentioned in another thread, an IMDB review really got me excited about this one. I wish I had also noticed that it was the *only* review for the film. That might've helped me adjust my expectations a bit. Anyway, so this turned out to be not-at-all Godfather-like. Mostly a mess really. The basic premise is that a famous General's son becomes a gangster but a good-hearted one who helps a whole bunch of prostitutes with their various problems. Oh and all of this is taking place against a backdrop of Japanese-occupied Korea and one of the gang leaders that our hero has to deal with is a Japanese Yakuza guy. Okay, so now that you have the basic plot, I'll be making the rest of my arguments with a liberal use of screenshots to give you an idea of what watching this film was like.

Firstly, I could never really warm up to our hero who I constantly found vain and full of himself. Some of his first few words to his friend after he has just gotten out of jail:



One of the key success factors for our protagonist is the fact that he is supposed to be a really good fighter - an expert at hand to hand combat. But somehow his metrosexual attire and his slightly pudgy appearance kept me from ever being able to buy into this completely. See screenshot below where he is just about to beat the crap out of this other guy.



There are a lot of similar scenes on the street, often at the exact same location ???, where we see this guy beat up other guys. Unfortunately, given my rather limited experience with these types of films, everytime a scene like this came up, I found myself wishing I was watching Legend of the Drunken Master instead!



The film is just chock-full of ludicrous scenes. Part of this could be just the poor subtitles (a recurring themes with the films I seem to pick for this bracket) but here again, I am convinced that the problem goes beyond that. There is no way this stuff could sound anything but laughable in any language!

This is the scene where the women in the whorehouse are being introduced to the general's son and this is what the guy has to say about one of the women:



And our hero often speaks in Yoda-like sentences where he keeps dropping pronouns, which made him even more annoying to me:



Thankfully, the film has some important life-lessons that I think we could all do with ::)



And our hero has values that we could all adopt. Please note that he is speaking in metaphors here!



But I was wrong about what I said earlier, because sometimes our hero is the very symbol of humility:



Unfortunately, the Tokyo-educated intellectual doesn't get much better lines either. Incidentally, he is the only guy in the entire movie who wears glasses and shabby clothes!



Huh?

Anyway, so bad subs and ridiculous lines are by no means the worst things about the film. Unfortunately, it is populated with two entirely uncharismatic leads. Neither the hero nor the badly made-up heroine managed to interest me at any point during the film. The camera moves around ALL the time never staying still and I just found that annoying most of the time. Then there are a whole bunch of overhead shots at various points during the film, especially of people sitting around a long table and I just found them vaguely distracting.

The plot jumps around just as much as the camera. There's a whole sequence where the guy is working selling snacks at the movie theater and there's a scene where a kid urinates in the theater and the whole thing has nothing to do with anything. It was just there and maybe it was supposed to help me learn something about the guy's character (that he is kind and benevolent?) but nah, didn't really work. Really, the whole movie just felt to me like a sequence of events with no real build-up to anything and where the individual events aren't particularly interesting.

The score is overpowering and dramatic and irritating. There are a couple of back-stories: one for the knife-thrower guy and one for the general's scene. The first one, I thought, was either sposed to make me believe that the knife-thrower is truly as badass as everyone says he is or that he is actually just human and tender-hearted like everyone else. It did neither. It elicited a meh reaction from me just like the rest of the movie. There is an episode from the general's son's childhood that is re-enacted and is equally ineffective. Plus, the whole thing about him being the son of this major hero is just hurriedly talked about for a bit at the end and has no really payoff or bearing on the rest of the film.

The women seemed uniformly loud and screechy to me and were just props. This is not a problem in and of itself but their squealing hurt my ears making the experience worse.

I know I'm being really mean to this movie and I really do mean to stop but I have to mention one last thing. Sometime around the 1/3rd mark, our hero ends up underperforming while having sex with one of the prostitutes. Later on in the film, he has sex with the prostitute he is actually in love with and this time he is totally great and she looks totally pleased and the way that scene ends is by cutting to the sound of loud applause ::).

A lot of what I've said here probably sounds like nitpicking but the movie is dull and all I could to do to stay interested was to notice all the stuff that sucked about it. The fight scenes are decent I guess. Those were definitely my favorite parts of the movie and I quite enjoyed seeing these choreographed fight scenes in a movie after a long time.

This movie reminded me of several really cheesy Bollywood movies that I've watched and that is rarely a good thing.

City of the Rising Sun (Sung-su Kim, 1999)

I have much less to say about this film because frankly, I don't think it's very good either. At least in case of The General's Son, I could pick on a bunch of stuff that were at least amusing to me in their ridiculousness. This was mostly just bland. It's about two guys who are good friends. One of them is a boxer who has given up the sport after a string of losses. The other is just a con artist, a swindler who seems to have no qualms about robbing even his best friend. These friends end up getting drawn apart and then getting back together several times during the film, mostly because of the swindler's antics and in the meantime, the boxer falls in love with a girl.

It's all rather generic and predictable and there's not a whole lot of interesting stuff going on.

But somehow, I could get myself interested in these two leads a lot more than the leads in the other film. Their friendship was sort of intriguing to me. I think their relationship might not seem credible to some people but somehow I bought into that and was even a little charmed by some of the scenes where they're just hanging out together, getting drunk or running around town.





Oh, and I couldn't help smiling when the film started off with "Love Potion No.9" playing over the opening credits :D! The entire film has a ton of cheesy English music that randomly starts playing from time to time, sometimes rather inappropriately turning what could be a serious scene into a comical one. I found out later after googling a bunch of lyrics that a lot of the songs are by this band called Sparklehorse that I don't think I have heard of before.

Another plus for the movie is the fact that at least one of the two leads is really fun to watch. He seems really uninhibited on screen and I think he manages to make a rather unpleasant and almost entirely negative character quite likeable! In fact, sometimes, the other guy felt far too earnest and square in comparison and consequently less interesting overall. He just seems to want to do good and work hard and be a good boxer and good boyfriend and all that whereas our man here has a penchant for this:





Yeah, breaking into cheesy dance moves without his pants on! So he at least managed to make me laugh

Verdict
I really don't think either of these films are particularly good. If I could, I wouldn't pass either of them on and would instead beg pixote to let me use that spot for The Ocean Waves. Barring that, I am going to reluctantly let City of the Rising Sun move on to the next round.

I am also really curious to see if pix is able to find something to like about The General's Son.



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Re: 1990s Far East Bracket: Verdicts
« Reply #529 on: March 26, 2009, 04:09:05 PM »
Bummer that neither movie was very good. At least you found some enjoyment in City of the Rising Sun. Entertaining write-up though. :)

 

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