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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #750 on: April 11, 2017, 11:19:30 PM »
For sure. It's like how I can't go around a corner fast anymore without saying "Hold on to your butts." Movies change the way we see the world, and the way we experience it.
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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #751 on: April 11, 2017, 11:37:12 PM »
Wouldn't Baudrillard say everything about the way we see the world is just a simulation of all the semiotics of this world?  :)  Or maybe I'm thinking of The Matrix.
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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #752 on: April 12, 2017, 09:06:51 AM »
Baudrillard's Simulacra and Simulation is in The Matrix! :D


When you wrote one dimensional, I'm finding that I like the concept. Everything stripped away to the core. No pretense. No identity that was put on you by something outside yourself. Yes, the cost of waking up. And, the reward. Hey! We are discussing Simulacra and Simulation after all!

"The simulacra that Baudrillard refers to are the significations and symbolism of culture and media that construct perceived reality, the acquired understanding by which our lives and shared existence is and are rendered legible; Baudrillard believed that society has become so saturated with these simulacra and our lives so saturated with the constructs of society that all meaning was being rendered meaningless by being infinitely mutable.[/b]"


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Indeed. Where did you ever come by Jean Baudrillard and his ideas? This video helped me get a grasp on it. It's an interesting way of framing things. Do you find there is a utility to looking at things in such a light?

Oh! I didn't come across Simulacra and Simulation. Neo showed it to me. It's his fault!



On the geekysnippets web page it says, "The superimposed digital reality is greatly influenced by the idea of hyper reality contoured in the book. A reality where object and people are unaware that they are not original, that they are copies of copies, that is the exact building block of the Matrix reality."

The video you found is very helpful! As for utility, the theory makes for a more critical eye, when it comes to taking in information. I'm already pretty skeptical when it comes to news media (I think you and I have talked about this somewhere. :) ), but looking at the idea of getting further and further away from reality in our society, it helps me to see why I'm so skeptical. News and political sound bites have become meaningless to me, white noise. To those who buy into all of it, I want to say,

"Wake up... the Matrix has you."

Did you find the ideas of the book useful to you?


It feels normal enough to shift in and out of thinking of things in a derivative sense... for instance, you can look at a telephone as a telephone or you look at it as it's components. Mostly it's various bits of plastic. And many plastics are derived from an ethylene/butene mix, and ethylene is derived from ethane, which is derived from natural gas, which is derived from what? Old burried organic matter? I don't really know, I'm just googling this stuff as I go.

The whole simulacra way of looking at things though isn't as derivative, but as, what? Representative? A lot more difficult to reverse engineer. But like you say, good practice for certain types of evaluation.

Nice job seeing that in the movie. I never noticed that or thought to look! It helps inform Neo's character. I'd be interested to see what else is on his bookshelf. :)


haha! I thought you knew those telephone components off the top of your head! I like your term, "representative." And yes, very hard to reverse engineer. I was trying to do that last night with one of my own realities and the best I could come up with is this: I've been cleaning out my filing cabinets and am amazed at all that I have kept. Why keep all of this? Everything was filed away because I thought it had value at the time and I had gotten in the habit of it pre-Google/Wiki days. But, it was more than that. Why did I need to have good information at my retrieval, even though the likelihood for needing it was very small? Who taught me to do this? My mom. She's a librarian. She did it for a living and copied her routine into her life and I copied it into mine. I'm not a librarian! I will no longer have a copy of a copy of reality. All of those papers go!  (That's the best I could do with simulacra reverse engineering. :) )

That's better than any example I can come up with. Honestly the philosophy is so nebulous I can't wrap my head around it. There appear to be rules, but I can't make them work for anything I throw at it. It's just too weird for me.

I like how the guy in the video you found, basically said, "Don't get hung up on it." :) Yes, nebulous and it turns in on itself, until it too loses meaning.

I didn't see the book initially, but had heard the term when looking up The Matrix a while ago. When I googled the term after the movie, there the book was!

It's surprising the machines allowed it to persist in their simulation of reality. :)

I hadn't thought of that! Maybe Trinity had it made and planted it somewhere for him to find. :)

Inception! Good thinking. 8)
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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #753 on: April 28, 2017, 05:57:37 PM »
I have no patience for proofing my posts before posting them, and yet I'll happily go back and edit them 47 times after they're posted to make all the corrections.

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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #754 on: April 28, 2017, 07:00:07 PM »
But doesnt the 'was edited' mark make you feel like an idiot?
I'm pretty sure I've deleted and reposted comments because of that.
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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #755 on: April 28, 2017, 07:10:35 PM »
Oh totally. I hate that thing.

It's always a race to get the edits in before that shows up. I don't know for sure but I believe it only appears after someone has viewed the post.... until then you can edit it as many times as you want and not have it appear.

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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #756 on: April 28, 2017, 09:02:28 PM »
I usually only edit my posts after pixote makes fun of me about my mistake.   Even then, sometimes I leave it because that makes the joke.

However, I have occasionally found myself editing Facebook posts 10 times.
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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #757 on: April 28, 2017, 10:08:05 PM »
Twitter needs to allow editing. Every damn time someone actually reads it there's an error.

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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #758 on: May 02, 2017, 07:48:25 PM »
I'm getting tired.

My ambition, my appetite for film remains large. I have two Marathons I want to do after my Horror one is complete. One small and one so large it will encompass over 1000 films. However, my passion is starting to cool. I'm not as interested in writing about film, though film discussion, which almost exclusively takes place for me here, remains the highlight of my days.
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Re: Filmspotter Confessions
« Reply #759 on: May 02, 2017, 07:55:41 PM »
I usually get that way when my personal life gets overwhelming. This whole beginning of the year has been rough so I haven't done nearly as much movie-watching and writing as I wanted to do.