Author Topic: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.  (Read 26630 times)

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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #340 on: February 03, 2010, 10:25:04 AM »
Obvi, I'm pulling for Avatar and Up in the Air.

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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #341 on: February 03, 2010, 11:40:57 AM »
From the feminist blog Pandagon:

Why 'Inglourious Basterds' should Win Best Picture...and Why It Won't

It’s arguably the best movie made by an edgy young film director while he’s still edgy and before he’s really old. The Academy Awards love edgy young filmmakers many decades after they stopped making innovative movies.  And I say this as someone who really liked “The Departed”.  But everyone knows Scorsese was winning for his first tier classics made years ago.  This is a chance for the Academy to break the vicious cycle.  Instead of recognizing Tarantino’s genius 20 years from now, when he makes a movie that has his imprint but no innovative feel to it, why not give him the award when he still has the ability to blow an audience away with his genius?  Tarantino’s no spring chicken at 47, so it’s not like Hollywood would be wandering off into the scarily youthful woods by giving him this award.  And for people who’ve seen it, you can firmly say he won it for this year, not for “Pulp Fiction”.  Because it’s probably the better picture.

This is a good case for both why Tarantino should win, and why he has no chance.
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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #342 on: February 03, 2010, 11:43:06 AM »
I'll have to see these Scorsese classics, because I find it hard to believe he's capable of crafting something better than The Departed.

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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #343 on: February 03, 2010, 11:45:00 AM »
He has done so plenty of times.

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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #344 on: February 03, 2010, 12:26:59 PM »
So then A Serious Man is the most deserving because it is the better film, objectively, and probably made the least money of all the contenders. Playing politics is pretty pointless to me, the film that deserves recognition and celebration is the one that delivers an unparalleled cinematic experience, not a fancy piece of editing that happens to be topical.

I happen to Think Hurt Locker is better, but the main reason we're banking on it is because, especially after Bigelow's DFA win, it's Avatar's biggest competitor. A Serious Man does not stand a chance. However, we still have the filmspots. And it stands a chance there.

But that still doesn't let me know why, aside from the mostly irrelevant politics behind the situation, it's a more deserving film than Avatar, or any of the other nominees for that matter.

There's a fallacy in your statements FLY. Quit assuming that your opinion is the only one. Many people – including most on these boards – think that The Hurt Locker is a better film than Avatar, so in a match-up of the two many of us are rooting for The Hurt Locker even though it might not be everyone's #1 of the year. In my case I would choose Inglourious Basterds as #1 followed by A Serious Man, Up, and the The Hurt Locker. But those other three have no chance of winning, so my support shifts to The Hurt Locker.

The other point is that in a match-up between The Hurt Locker, which very few people went to see, and Avatar, which everybody and their dog has seen, it would be nice if the lesser seen film won so that more people might see it. This is particularly true of The Hurt Locker because in the view of a lot of people it's a film that would play very well to a wide audience, but it never got that chance theatrically. A Serious Man is an amazing film in my opinion, but it doesn't change the fact that a mass audience would probably not be too hot for it. The Hurt Locker provides just the right amount of pathos and entertainment and suspense to make it a real audience-pleaser.
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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #345 on: February 03, 2010, 01:03:05 PM »
If it was a real audience pleaser, it would have had an audience. It was advertised on CINECAST!ing ESPN.

Additionally, as I have said and continue to say, how does any of this make The Hurt Locker more deserving than Avatar? Clearly you are not in agreement that it's the best film, just that it's a better film. Though the notions of those words are completely subjective and have little bearing on the matter. What has The Hurt Locker done to make it more deserving of recognition than Avatar? If it's simply the craft then I suppose that There Will Be Blood was more deserving of Best Picture than No Country for Old Men because from the direction to the score that film is clearly of a superior make. Cameron crafted an entirely new world, plastered on a solid story, broke new ground with the technology used, delivered near flawless action sequences in a blockbuster, a complaint constantly logged against these types of films, gives the audience a one of a kind theatrical experience, and has made a significant cultural impact with the film. Bigelow crafted a fine thrill ride with great action and tension, subverts the idea of a 'war' film by having it mostly exist as a character study, and yielded a fine achievement in editing. You're saying that is more deserving of an award than what Cameron produced? Hardly. So awarding the film this award in spite of all the admirable traits of Avatar simply because there's an inkling of a chance that more films like it will get wider releases in the future is the best course of action? No Country could have played to a large crowd. Slumdog Millionaire could play to a large crowd. Yet we still get the exact same films we would otherwise. So when you use the word deserving when talking about the accomplishments of each film you are way off the mark. In no way is The Hurt Locker more deserving of such an award than Avatar, unless you go on picture quality alone, in which case neither is deserving, correct?

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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #346 on: February 03, 2010, 01:07:26 PM »
How is There Will Be Blood "clearly" of a superior make? You sound like a National Socialist doctor.
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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #347 on: February 03, 2010, 01:08:48 PM »
You sound like a National Socialist doctor.

I might have to borrow that. :D

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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #348 on: February 03, 2010, 01:10:34 PM »


It is not rocket science. Most critics, and most of the people on this board, think THL is a better movie than Avatar therefore it is more deserving than Avatar. Sure most of us have a different BEST film of the year but that has nothing to do with which of these two is better/more deserving.

If you are interested I am willing to wager on THL over Avatar for best picture.

 

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Re: 2009 Awards That Are Not Filmspots.
« Reply #349 on: February 03, 2010, 01:13:33 PM »
FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

I actually consider a lot of movies to be life-changing! I take them to my heart and they melt into my personality.