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Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Cinematographers
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2011, 03:18:01 PM »
The work required to consider such a list far exceeds my interest in cinematography. I prefer to look at films as whole entities rather than as a bundle of component elements. So lists like Film, Director (which I rated on filmography rather than "direction"), Animated and Doc are find but even with Performances I didn't put a lot of effort in.

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Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Cinematographers
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2011, 03:31:44 PM »
I would be more interested in celebrating brilliant cinematography than brilliant cinematographers (i.e. films over people)
Just tell me when to start the natural v. stylized lighting debate and where the anti-Malick cabal lines up.

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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2011, 03:32:39 PM »
Of course, Wall-E and Ratatouille would have to be up for consideration.
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Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Cinematographers
« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2011, 03:44:15 PM »
And that's where we get into all sorts of issues calling it Cinematography. Because, technically, animation isn't quite the same thing, although they certainly share disciplines and principles.

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« Reply #14 on: March 27, 2011, 03:48:54 PM »
This has been discussed on and on and I think it's pretty clear that 3D computer animation employs the techniques of real cinematography enough to be called cinematography. 2D animation is a different issue entirely.
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Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Cinematographers
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2011, 03:52:11 PM »
Yea, that's part of the issue. If we want to just avoid that whole aspect all-together, we could call it the Top 100 Visually Compelling Films or something along that lines.

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« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2011, 03:54:36 PM »
Nah, I'm all for Cinematography. Just make sure to stipulate that the only animated films that can be included are stop-motion and 3D CGI.
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Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Cinematographers
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2011, 04:00:24 PM »
IF we call it Cinematography, I want it to be of films with clear Cinematographers, so I'd just as soon leave out all animated films that don't have a credited Cinematographer.

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Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Cinematographers
« Reply #18 on: March 27, 2011, 04:16:26 PM »
IF we call it Cinematography, I want it to be of films with clear Cinematographers, so I'd just as soon leave out all animated films that don't have a credited Cinematographer.

They do. All of of the Pixars, except Toy Story, which instead has a listen Camera Supervisor and two Lighting Supervisors, and Monsters Inc. which had Camera and Lighting Supervisors.

A Bug's Life - Sharon Calahan
Toy Story 2 - Sharon Calahan
Finding Nemo - Sharon Calahan, Jeremy Lasky
The Incredibles - Andrew Jimenez, Patrick Lin, Janet Lucroy
Cars - Jeremy Lasky

On Ratatouille they started their deal of crediting as Director of Photography: Camera and :Lighting
Ratatouille - Robert Anderson, Sharon Calahan
Wall-E - Jeremy Lasky, Danielle Feinberg (Martin Rosenberg: Live-Action)
Up - Jean-Claude Kalache, Patrick Lin
Toy Story 3 - Jeremy Lasky, Kim White

And if you have doubts about the inclusion of Toy Story and Monsters Inc., the people listed as Lighting and Camera Supervisors on those films were all credited as Directors of Photography on later Pixar films.
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Re: Filmspotters' Top 100 Cinematographers
« Reply #19 on: March 27, 2011, 04:31:28 PM »
Also, Dreamworks was a little behind the times (a lot behind the times actually) on this issue. It was not until Kung Fu Panda in 2008 that they began listing a cinematographer. I'm sure all the previous films had people who would be the equivalent of the position, but it's difficult or impossible to figure out who those people would be. And even after Kung Fu Panda they didn't always list a cinematographer.

The problem, of course, is people who are unwilling to accept the idea of CGI films containing cinematography. If the terminology of the medium is not set in stone then neither is the credit.
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